E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Inside The NBA Cup And A Chaotic College Playoff Picture
We ride from a rough sports weekend into sharp takes on the NBA Cup, a fiery college playoff debate, and the Colts’ quarterback curveball. OKC’s system, Miami vs Notre Dame friction, and AFC playoff math keep the energy high and the analysis clean.
• OKC’s ball movement and role clarity beat star-dependent offenses
• Lakers’ path hinges on pace control and SGA containment
• Suns’ freer offense without Booker and what it reveals
• Why auto-bids warp a true top-12 college playoff
• Miami vs Notre Dame ranking logic and head-to-head consistency
• Power vs finesse styles and short-yardage discipline
• Heisman race in a down year and award politics
• Colts turn to Phillip Rivers and how scheme familiarity matters
• AFC playoff scenarios, tie-breakers, and must-win matchups
• Coaching boundaries, consequences, and leadership optics
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Yo, yo, yo, welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast. Me and Jared in here tonight, man. How's your sports week been?
SPEAKER_04:Actually, disgusting. Uh UC lost. So our rival on Friday. High House Play lost on Saturday. Bingles lost on Sunday. LeBron and them did pull out a pretty nice win on Sunday though. So I didn't get swept. But yeah, it was pretty close to getting the you know the all-around uh roundhouse kick to the dome. How was yours, bro?
SPEAKER_03:I think I did get the roundhouse kick to the dome. Bama lost. Um coach loss. Pacers loss. Yeah, yeah. I got the I got the whole shebangaban. I think Purdue had lost to Iowa. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was everything. Everybody lost. So yeah, this has been one of them weeks, but it is what it is. Let's go ahead and jump into these topics real quick. We're gonna start with the NBA. Um NBA Cup currently going on right now. Uh in the East semifinals, we already have the matchup for uh the Magics and the Knicks. That's gonna be on December 13th in the West right now. They're playing the quarterfinals tonight. You got the Suns and the Thunder playing right now on Prime Video, and then later on tonight at 10 p.m. Eastern, you'll have the Lakers and the Spurs tonight on Prime Video. So that's going on right now. What do you think about these uh matchups we got remaining? With the uh I guess we can start with the with the Thunders up right now, 15 on the Suns at the end of the first quarter. I'm watching it, they're they're killing them. That game. What do you think? How the how that Lakers Spurs matchup do you think gonna be?
SPEAKER_04:Um, I think the Lakers are playing well right now. Uh with Wimmy being out for the Spurs. Spurs are really young. Um I don't really know. Although De'Aaron Fox always has a monster game against the Lakers. Um I don't know. I I think the Lakers they I think they have too much firepower right now. I mean, you got Anthony Reeves playing well, you got Luca playing well, you got LeBron and wildcard. Um everybody's pretty much playing well for the most part. Um, I think the Lakers will benefit a lot from uh getting uh Marcus Smart back if he's back tonight.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't say he'll be back tonight. Yes, yeah, they'll they'll benefit a lot of the play. I'm looking at the injury report right now. Uh he's not on there. The only person on there is uh Kebler. So that's it. Oh Keebler. Kebler. Okay. Max and Keebler. Yeah, he's the only one on there.
SPEAKER_04:Um, but yeah, man. Um, yeah, I I think the Lakers should be able to take him down. I mean, I in the semifinals against uh if they were to advance semifinals against um OKC'll be rough, man. I I stick I you guys have heard me say this countless. I still don't know how that team is that good. I just I cannot figure it out. It's like it's deeper than talent. It's something that they have that it's it can't be talent, man. I it just can't. I don't believe it is. But they're they're playing well. I don't think anybody's beating them anytime soon. So um, especially so who yeah, the East, yeah, the East. You got the Knicks and the Magics right now. Yeah, you might as well hand hand OKC to the uh NBA Cup, because nah.
SPEAKER_03:Nothing. Nothing even close. Knicks been playing good. I mean the Magic have too. Uh with Magic actually was the number one seed coming at the East.
SPEAKER_04:So but I feel like I feel like the Lakers would beat those teams too if they could advance past their two games, which I don't really see happening. I see them beating the Spurs. I don't see them beating no KC though. Which I'm fine with that. Save it, save, save, save it for uh the postseason. Whatever you play. You can try that kind of goes back to Ohio State. Whatever you think you can scheme up, whatever you can try and and and want to do to see if you could take, just save it. It ain't even no point of you know wasting that in the regular season or the NBA Cup.
SPEAKER_02:So yeah. Yeah, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Um I think I'm the same way, man. I think I don't know with the way the Knicks been playing, especially the way Cap been playing uh and Bronson, they seem like they on the same page. So I think that was that's gonna be a tough out for the Magics uh in the East. But uh again, I mean the Thunders just look almost better than last year, which is crazy to say that, but they're it does seem like they're playing better at this point um than they was last year at this point. And I mean, again, yeah, Lakers Spurs, no Wimby, that's gonna be tough, but like you still got Fox, you still got Castle, like they still got a bunch of guys that can go out there and get buckets and play well. Um I think I would probably like to see probably the Spurs versus the Thunder, even though the Thunder, I mean the Spurs ain't at full strength, it would probably be better with Wimby. Uh, I think with the young guys, I think they could probably run better and keep up with them. But the Lakers, I mean if the Lakers get there against the Thunder and they can slow the game down, you know what I mean? Uh, because if they get if they get to run in, then the Thunder just gonna just gonna get on them. But you gotta have somebody who can possibly at least try to guard um SGA, which you can say the same thing on the side with Luca and Austin Reeves and LeBron, you know what I mean? So it'll be a good matchup. Either one, whichever one advanced. I think the West semifinals is gonna be good no matter what. Which we were talking about this earlier when they first announced the brackets and the teams and the brackets and how they was gonna uh shake out. We uh didn't expect really the Suns to be there. Uh he probably was looking at somebody more like Denver or whatever, but just came out of that group. Uh Suns have been playing well, man.
SPEAKER_04:They've been playing way better than they should be, for sure. Because Evan Booker's not even playing. Yeah, see what I think It's something about teams that can play free.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's what I was exactly what I was about to say. When you don't have expectations, you know Exactly. When y'all had that star, you can run, you know what I mean? You can run plays, like it's not about like, hey, look, let's get the ball to such and such, or scheme up a way to get the ball just to such and such. You know what I mean? Like you can, you know, run some actual offense and give other people opportunities. And shoot, you never know what you got. You might just you might discover somebody that you know may not have been getting as much time that hey, look, hey, maybe we need to bump up their menace a little bit once you know Devin comes back, or somebody who may be able to carry you and keep you together until your star comes back. So now I'm all for it. Because being being star heavy, it just it limits your offense. Because this person you want to make sure this person gets the touches, rightfully so, but if they have an off game, then usually it's gonna be a challenge to win. So uh I think that's another thing about OKC probably too, is like they don't have to just get the ball to SGA. Like, I think he hasn't played in like 11 fourth quarters throughout this season. So like he's been getting his little 25 to 30 points and literally not playing the fourth quarter, and they've still been beating teams.
SPEAKER_04:Um so and then they make open shots too, man. It's just like they they are the best open open shot making team I've probably ever seen. Like they make everything. If they swing it properly and they find that open shot, it like it never it never misses. It's like you don't see that that much. Like here, watch that go in. Okay, yeah, he airballed it. Okay, so that theory's out the window. But uh, yeah, man, they they just they they make open shots, man. You know, I mean, you got Lou Dort, you got Aaron Wiggins, you got all types of cats that just come in and just be on fire, and that's that's what works for them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but I think also, too, I think we were talking about this before, too. It's like the players on their team accept their roles. Like, nobody tries to do too much. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like they they play together. Like you said, they move the ball well, they knock down open shots, they take good shots, so nobody's out there just forcing stuff up. You know what I mean? I don't think it's just this unlimited green light. It's like, hey, look, we're gonna take the best shot. And if we can't get a good shot by swinging the ball, then we could just throw it to SGA. He can go down, you know what I mean, do his little, you know, pull up and we can go back and we'll try again the next, you know what I mean, time down. So um, yeah, no, it's it's definitely uh a selfless team, if nothing else. So looking forward to seeing that tonight. Definitely want to watch that Lakers Spurs game because it's I think it's still gonna be entertaining regardless of Wendy not being there or not. So all right, we're gonna jump over to some college. Talk about this college playoff. Yo, what's up, Jose? Hey, Janelle. Um, so first round, we got JMU versus Oregon, we got Bama versus Oklahoma, Tulane versus Ole Miss, Miami versus Texas AM. So we been uh kind of talking about this a lot over the past couple days um prior up to the show. What's your thoughts on everything that's been going on? Because there's been a lot that's been said and I said about who's in, who's out, blah, blah, blah, the buys, all that craziness. Like, do you agree with the 12? And if you don't, which teams don't you agree with, why, and who would you switch out?
SPEAKER_04:I guess that's a lot, but um, I mean, put the best 12 teams in. I them trying to get the conference champions just doesn't do it. I mean, I think the strategy kind of blew up in their face. I mean, you you would expect to have um four, you know, the top power four conference champions, and then like one, but you ended up with two um lower level, you know, uh uh conference champions. And I I I totally don't think that was um, you know, how they how they intended that to go. Um so I'm definitely getting James Madison up out of there, and I'm getting Tulane out of there. Uh I'm no nobody wants to see them play in the college football playoff. Like that's just that's just the fact of the matter. Also, all the weird tiebreakers for the conferences, get rid of those. Put the just put the best two teams in the conference in the conference final uh championship if you gotta have the stupid conference championships. Because this has been my stance on it forever. Um they're just pointless, they're just in the way, it's it's just an absolute waste of a game. Um, I don't even know. Can you run down the last eight SEC champions?
SPEAKER_03:Um well, I know in the past four years it's just been Bam and Georgia.
SPEAKER_04:Uh I know one of those teams has made it the last, I want to say, they said something crazy. It was either eight or fourteen or something crazy like that.
SPEAKER_03:But it's just like who it hasn't been too many teams outside uh Bamma and Georgia. Yeah, I think Florida's probably been in there once. Uh shoot, that's probably it. That's probably at LSU when Burrow was there.
SPEAKER_04:Like who who who really cares? You know, I I just nobody hangs conference championship banners. Um, so I I I mean conference championships are are just pointless at this point. I would just play the games out, award uh the best team in the conference, the uh conference championship or whatever, and then just move on to the playoffs. I feel like that's what they should do. I mean, even if you add another round of playoffs, which excuse me, which will get you more teams in, and then just go straight from the regular season, give everybody a bye, and then just jump into a 16-team playoff. Four weeks, national champion crown, done deal.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but I think um, again, like I think it's you know, it's all about money, sponsorships, things of that nature. So, of course, uh as you were saying, no Tulane, no James Madison. Uh, because I mean you get a like, do you really think Notre Dame? Because I mean, we were I'm surprised based on even our conversation last week that Notre Dame is out. So no Notre Dame, no BYU, no Vanderbilt, no U.S.
SPEAKER_04:Notre Dame in front of Miami, and then neither team plays, and then all of a sudden Miami is over Notre Dame. Like that it just makes no sense to me. Makes no sense to me.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, I mean, because I mean, Notre Dame I don't know, like you just I just wish, I mean, I knew the criteria of the thought process. Because I don't see any wins. I don't see I mean, I'll guess well Miami did beat them in the head to head.
SPEAKER_04:So I guess if you did have to put one out, then I'm I'm not here to advocate for Notre Dame at all.
SPEAKER_03:Like, no, I'm just saying I was I didn't I forgot that they played first game in the regular season.
SPEAKER_04:And whoever you rank before you know, ahead of one another before the last week of the you know, the the conference championship week, like what changed to where you now have Miami ranked higher?
SPEAKER_03:It's well I think the rankings now, I think like you said, after the conference, I think after the conference championships, of course, we knew it was gonna change a little bit. And that's when you after those, that's when you're putting the the final the final playoff ranking together anyway.
SPEAKER_04:So if you got one team that you said, hey, this is the 10th ranked team in the nation, this is the 12th ranked team in the nation. How do they flop if neither team plays? Is what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think it I and I don't think they've I don't think it flopped based on the regular season rankings. I think it only flopped based on the playoff rankings.
SPEAKER_04:And with that the playoff rankings are the like it was a college football.
SPEAKER_03:But that's not, but but that's not but you know the conference championships play a part in it. So I think what what what had an effect on that game? That's what I'm saying. No, just hear me. Just hear me. I think when they came down, because once you get the conference championships out of the way, because what we were missing is that there was gonna be possibly two uh of the other five that was gonna get in. So the Tulane and James Madison, I don't we didn't take that into account. So yes, without one of those, then I think another dame is in. But I think once they figured realized that, okay, well, it's two of them, when you look at the two that would be out, you would everybody people was arguing Bama being out, which as you can see, I wouldn't even have been mad if they'd have put Bama out at three losses, because at three losses, you're the only three loss team that made it in. Now, did you probably deserve to be in? Maybe, maybe not. But do you, I mean, if you up against a Notre Dame or BYU, who do you pick between Bama, Notre Dame, or BYU? That's ultimately the question. Because Miami would Miami would be there just on their head-to-head of Notre Dame.
SPEAKER_04:I still don't understand that that still doesn't answer why you think a team is better than the team, and then the next the very next week.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think it's I don't think that's them thinking it's better. I just think it's they had to put Miami in over it because of a head-to-head.
SPEAKER_04:And they should have ranked them ahead of them before. It's the same, it's the same ranking, it's just the same criteria, everything's exactly the same from the end of the room.
SPEAKER_03:But the ranking right now is only like right now, they got the this they got it ranked by seeds right now, outside of Tulane and James Madison. So that's the only reason why I believe Miami is above Notre Dame is based on because if you look at it right now, they're only ranked they're ranked by seeds.
SPEAKER_04:No, they still have a ranking. Um Notre Dame is ranked number 11 and Miami is 10. So they they they they jumped. I don't see that ranking. I'm looking at the colour. Because if you if you if you look if you look on esbn.com, I'm in the college, college football playoff rankings. IU, this is this is literally it. I'm looking IU, Ohio State, Georgia, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Right. And then they had to bump in Tulane and James Madison took over the 11 and 12 spots. So the teams that they have ranked 11 and 12. Because if they was to do top 12 teams, top, right? Miami and BYU would have made it in, but they had to bump those out to get those automatic bids in. But my thing is if you had Miami 12 going into the final week and you had Notre Dame up 10, I don't understand. It even shows right here, it shows Miami moved up two spots and Notre Dame jumped that dropped down one. Why? Only other changes uh up up ahead were BYU actually only only changes ahead of Miami and Notre Dame were uh Ohio State and IU flipping. Them the only other losing. Because Bama dropped out of them. The only like trend downs that you know, I don't I just don't understand it. Because Alabama actually was nine before they lost. They were nine last week, so they didn't even they didn't even move. They were ranked nine last week, they lost to Georgia, they still went back in number nine. So Georgia was three last week, still number three, Texas Tech four, no change, Oregon five, no change. Ole Miss six, no change, Texas AM seven, no change, Oklahoma eight, no change, Alabama nine, no change. Only changes was BYU dropping from 11 to 12, and then Notre Dame uh falling down one and Miami just hopping up two without playing a game. That's crazy. And I am nowhere to perform an advocate for Notre Dame or the state of Indiana for that matter at all.
SPEAKER_03:But that's that's and I think and like I said, I think that's because again, the ACC, the representation for the ACC and in the in the playoff. And then if you look, you like I said. Again, Notre Dame lost to Miami already. So like you couldn't put my my my thing is this if you're at 10, if you already know Tulan's and James Madison gonna be 11 and 12, you're literally just arguing over the 10 spot. And that really comes down to Miami and Notre Dame. Like BY, I don't think BYU was getting in. I think we knew if they lost to Texas Tech again, especially if they lost bad, then they weren't gonna be in. So you're really coming down to Miami and Notre Dame.
SPEAKER_04:Then you shouldn't have you shouldn't have ranked Notre Dame ahead of Miami going to conference championship week, if that's the case, which is fine. But that that part doesn't make sense.
SPEAKER_03:But do you think if Virginia would have won that game, Miami would have been in?
SPEAKER_04:Completely irrelevant.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm just I'm just I'm just okay.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, the answer is no, but yeah, because that's completely unrelated. So yeah, the answer is no.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm just talking about the ACC representation.
SPEAKER_04:That is no automatic bid for the ACC. So if nobody from the ACC makes it, nobody from the ACC makes it. Like there was no, like, there's no nothing written saying ACC has to have a team in the college football playoffs.
SPEAKER_03:I I hear that, but what I'm what I'm saying, what I don't think you hear me saying is that I think they wanted ACC representation. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:Rank them ahead of Notre Dame going into the playoffs when no need um before the thing.
SPEAKER_03:But I also think if if Virginia would have, I think if Virginia would have won, then they would have been 10-2, and they probably wouldn't have put Miami in, like we were saying last week. It probably wouldn't have been Miami in, they probably would have put Virginia right there. Yeah, because they they probably would have been ranked 10. Because it would have been the same record. They would have had the same record. If they would have been, well, they would have been 11. Virginia would have been 11-2, and Miami would have been 10-2.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, yeah, they would have been that's what I'm saying. So I think they would have been a top five, um, they would have been a top five conference champion. Like, yes, right.
SPEAKER_03:So that's what I'm saying. So then Miami wouldn't have been in there. So with Virginia losing and them not putting Duke in there, they put Miami there over Notre Dame because they already had a head-to-head to compare and say, okay, well, Notre Dame lost to Miami. We can't put Notre Dame in there. I'm not hearing you, but you're not hearing me. But I that's we can move on. But I'm just saying, I think the I think the ACC championship game is what made that decision. That's all I'm saying. How what does that have to do with Miami and Notre Dame? Because I think it again, because I think if Virginia would have won, Miami wouldn't have been in. But yeah, I I get that.
SPEAKER_04:But that doesn't have anything to do with how Miami and Notre Dame would be rated, ranked. It it wouldn't have anything to do with that. They would have pushed ahead, just like James Madison and what's name are pushed ahead to get into the playoffs. Yeah. But it's still true.
SPEAKER_03:But that doesn't, but but like Tulane and James Madison ranked didn't change. It's just they're they're just seated in the playoff.
SPEAKER_04:Right. So one of those teams would have been knocked out. Uh actually, to get more specific, uh, let me see. I don't even know which one of those teams were. I guess James Madison was rated higher. No, Tulane was actually rated higher. So James Madison would have been out. The only change if Virginia had a won, James Madison would have been out. I think you would have had one Miami.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, and then you probably would have had Notre Dame and Virginia in, maybe. Or they probably would have still put Miami in.
SPEAKER_04:They would have they would have put Miami in because they ranked them higher.
SPEAKER_03:Right. That's what I'm saying. They probably would have put them in over just through the head to head.
SPEAKER_04:Because they ranked because they haven't ranked higher. For whatever reason, this week they haven't ranked higher than they did last week.
SPEAKER_03:So I just think that's just like I said, just on the fallout. All right. I'd have to back it. ACC. I know it sounds crazy, but it's just that's the only thing, like I said, in in the head-to-head. I mean, you because again, you're not gonna put them, you're not gonna put Notre Dame at 10 and then not put them in the playoff. And like, because then you're gonna have, like we said about Bama last year, how you had them at 12, but then you had, you know, had them out of the playoff or 11 and you had them out the playoff. It's like, well, what are we doing? So I think this time they was like, okay, well, these teams do have a head-to-head for us to go off of. So we could just, okay, Miami won, Notre Dame lost. That's our decision right there. We don't have to do no hypotheticals or like we like how last week, how we went into talking about like the scenarios of a tie or two teams that didn't play each other that's closely ranked or whatever. I think with them having a head-to-head, it was easier for them to be like, okay, cool. Like the ACC is championship, uh, championship is irrelevant because Duke is not getting in. Miami's the next was the next best team in the ACC, and they have a head-to-head win over Notre Dame. I think they just say, okay, that's a no-brainer. That's it, that's an easier decision to make. Um, with Tulane, like you said, with Tulane and James Madison both getting in.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not I'm not mad at that at all. It I mean, if that's how they want to do it, cool.
SPEAKER_03:But to do it uh to do it a week before the ACC championship, I don't I don't think that was because like say if if if Virginia would have won, then Notre Dame probably would have been in.
SPEAKER_04:So I I think that's the reason why they do it. I don't, I don't, I totally disagree with that. That that would have just made their whole that would have just blew their whole shit up. Like that would have made zero sense.
SPEAKER_03:To put if Virginia would have win to put Virginia in over Miami?
SPEAKER_04:Nah, nah, nah, to put yeah, because it it's not about with conference the guys, it's all about where they have the way they do this is they rank all the teams out, and then they put the automatic bids in that bump the last two teams out. So if you're if you're 11, and say you're 11 and I'm 12, or you're 11, yeah, you're 11 and I'm 12. All right, that's how the season finishes out. But they have to get those two conference champions, say the the two highest rated conference, well, the two highest rated conference championships champions outside of the Big Ten, Big 12, and and SEC were 19 and 20, those are gonna knock out those 11 and 12. So it's very, very important who they put at 11 and who they put at 12 in the final rankings, because those are the two teams that are gonna get bumped out if you got to put two conference champions, and if it's three, say the Big 12 stinks one year in the the SEC and the Big Ten champions are uh the only teams that are ranked in, say, the top, the top, top 15. Then it's gonna be the top nine, and then 10, 11, and 12 are gonna get bumped out for those champions. So it's very critical where you put 10, 11, 12. You can't just say, oh, well, yeah, cool, we're gonna do that because those are the first teams to go. So with you flopping them like that, that that was more than just oh, KA bumped up two spots and bumped them down one. That literally meant everything. You took them from being in place for that spot to knocking them completely out, and that's where Notre Dame is. Notre Dame, if if they had a rated ranked Miami higher than Notre Dame going into conference championship, Notre Dame really wouldn't have had a foot to stand on because you're out of it. You don't play a game to give yourself a chance to to earn your way in, you're killed. Like you're you're rated low. Boom. Both teams. There's no chance. Up your up your your your ranking.
SPEAKER_03:And that's why I'm saying my argument is that Virginia would have been a higher ranked conference champion than Tulane or James Madison. So one of them spots, you see what I'm saying? One of those, but I don't think that has in that doesn't play a part. No, but hear me though. If that's why I was saying the situation with Virginia, if Virginia would have won and got in, then Notre Dame could have, you know what I'm saying, could have got that other spot because it wouldn't have been two. Does that make sense? There wouldn't have been no Miami to even to even compare a Notre Dame to. That's why I'm saying the flip spot had to put.
SPEAKER_04:What do you mean there wouldn't have been a Miami?
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm saying that they wouldn't have Miami at 10 wouldn't have wouldn't have mattered because then uh there was no head-to-head with Virginia and and uh and Notre Dame. So that's why I'm saying like the Tulane and James Madison wouldn't have happened, only would have been one of them if Virginia would have won. Because that's a they are higher ranked conference champion. Duke Duke wasn't a higher ranked conference champion, even though they won the ACC, they wouldn't rank higher than Tulane or James Madison.
SPEAKER_04:That's why it was two. So you're saying that you think that Virginia, if Virginia would have won, they would have been ranked 11.
SPEAKER_03:If if Virginia would have won, if Virginia would have won, they would have been 10, and then Notre Dame.
SPEAKER_04:They would have hopped all these teams if they had won.
unknown:Who?
SPEAKER_03:Well, Virginia was already, I mean, Virginia was like 19th, you know. Well, they were down too, so they were 17th last week. So yeah, they would have went, they would have gone to 10 because that would have been the 10th spot for them.
SPEAKER_04:You think they would have hoped Utah, Vanderbilt?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because they the highest ranked conference champion.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but they're not the highest ranked, they still would have replaced one of those kind of two teams.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I'm saying. They that that's what I'm saying. They would have replaced, I'm not saying jumped them, but they would have jumped them as far as the seeding.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, they would have replaced one of those two teams, but the other thing. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03:Because they would have been they would have been 11 and 3 or 11 and 2. So I mean, technically they could. They right there with BYU. They could have jumped Texas, they could have jumped all of them because their record is right there with them. So you could have put them anywhere in that mix. But that would have been that 10th spot, which then Notre Dame would have either the two lane or the James Madison spot. You see what I'm saying? One of them would have been in, probably whoever, probably James Madison, because they only got one loss. But they should run tire. Well, yeah, but well, I mean, it depends on how you want to go with their record. Well, regardless, Notre Dame would have had one of them spots. That's why I'm saying, like, the Virginia loss hurt Notre Dame. It helped Miami, but it hurt Notre Dame. So that's why I think it's the flip. I don't think it's like last week they thought Notre Dame or Miami was that much better. It was just that, hey, look, y'all have a head-to-head and y'all lost. And the ACT.
SPEAKER_04:Why does that head to head not matter the week before, though?
SPEAKER_03:Because as far as the playoff, it's not about the week before, it's about the playoff. This right now is the playoff set. So it's the same ranking system, though. I hear what you're saying. But you but then if if they would have put Miami, if they would have put Notre Dame at 10 and put Miami at 11 and put the the TN next to Miami, we would be sitting here saying, why is Notre Dame at 10? And that's and that's a head-to-head loss.
SPEAKER_04:That's a perfect question to ask.
SPEAKER_03:But like they didn't so they switched it this week to make it right.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, well, okay. Well then that then they then they fucked up the week before. And I'm cool with that.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, but I mean, but you were still waiting on the outcome. Like I said, I'm I mean, it's like giving Tulane and James Madison, like putting them at 12 and like 11 and 12. It's like we have to wait on the outcome because, like I said, Notre Dame could have been, I mean, Notre Dame could have been 10 if Virginia would have won. Because it would have been another spot. You could have put a Notre Dame wherever you wanted. But that's kind of the penalty and what they've been talking about with Notre Dame, not playing, not being part of a conference, is like y'all kind of screw y'all selves in these type of situations where if they're putting an emphasis on conference champions, y'all don't get a say-so. And y'all can and y'all let in a Tulane and the James. It's really y'all's fault. If y'all would join a conference, then we wouldn't have had this. Y'all would y'all would be right there. And what, you know, whichever one, SEC, anybody. You could have bumped out of Oklahoma or Alabama, you could have bumped out of Miami and the ACC. I mean, any of those guys. Who knows what y'all and who y'all would have played would have been different too, because y'all would have been going against some of these teams. So y'all would have some direct head-to-heads, and y'all could have truly showed that y'all was better or deserved to be in. But based on y'all record, I mean, based on y'all schedule, I don't see anything on here that shows me just say, oh yeah, y'all deserve to be in. There's not a win on here that I see that that makes me be like, yeah, Notre Dame got slighted. Because the Miami first game team, you lost and did Texas AM, you lost. Now both of you, now you only lost by three to Miami, and you only lost by one to Texas AM. But those are bad losses against two teams, you know, two ranked teams. And the rest of your games, USC, we're not giving you no credit for beating USC by 10 or beating Pitt by by what 17. Like, we're not gonna get, or not 17, but uh 2022. Like, we're not gonna give you credit for those two wins. I mean, because outside of that, Purdue, Arkansas, Boise State, NC State, Boston College, Navy, Syracuse, and Stanford, that's enough to get you in. I I don't, I don't believe so. The two teams you should have beat was at the beginning of the season, and that's Miami and Texas AM. And if you were to beat them, then there would be no doubt you would be in. So, and also them, I don't want to say pouting, but them refusing to play a bowl game over not being in. It's like, who do you deserve to be in, be in over based on your losses and your schedule? Because we can't compare conference play because you have no conference, but so you gotta go strictly on Notre Dame's schedule and who they play, who they will beat, and who they loss is strictly. And y'all don't have enough good wins, y'all got two bad losses, or two good losses as they call them, but you don't have any great wins to pair to to to counteract those. In my book, anyway, as far as what I can see. Like, I mean, do you even look at I mean look at you look at even Miami, you know, they can say, hey, look, we beat, we beat Notre Dame, we beat a Florida State ranked 18. You know what I mean? We beat we beat the same pit team you beat. We beat them 38 to 7 though. You know what I mean? Like you know, like we like the schedules and the wins and losses don't compare. I mean, when you look at Miami and Notre Dame, Miami really earned it. I mean slightly, but they did. I mean, if anybody you want to argue, I would argue like a Texas. Just based on, you know what I mean, what how they battle back. That's probably it, or even Vanderbilt, they got some good wins. But yeah, I don't think Notre Dame deserved to be in. And I'm not advocating for Miami, even though I am a I am a fan from afar, but I think if Notre Dame would have took care of business against those two teams at the beginning of the season, then whoever else they would have lost to, even if they still had two losses later in the season, I don't think it would have hurt them because they'd have looked back and said, like, okay, they beat Texas AM, who've been ranked all year in the top five, and they beat Miami, who's been, you know, top 20 all year. Y'all in. And Miami probably would be out. Even if their record stayed the same, I think they would have been out even with two losses later on in the season to somebody else. Like Notre Dame didn't do themselves no favors. So um but looking at the rest of the who uh okay. I got a question. I got I I got a decent question, I should say. Do you see any upsets in this first round? Upsets. So like a James Madison beating Oregon or Tulane beating Oh Miss or even a Texas and or even a Miami beating Texas AM.
SPEAKER_04:No, I don't I don't see any upsets in this first round.
SPEAKER_03:I guess right now you could technically say Alabama beating Oklahoma. That would be.
SPEAKER_04:And I think Alabama is more of a I'm gonna run through you type of team. So I think you guys see those are the type of team.
SPEAKER_03:We lose two finesse teams. Because see, I don't think Indiana's not a power team to me. No, not that they're a finesse team. And those are the type of teams we lose.
SPEAKER_04:Uh well, I mean, you lose on that growth. I'm gonna always take the team finesse. Like, I'm always gonna take power. I wish we would get back to being a power team when like running the ball. You know what I'm saying? Like we have no emphasis on running the ball whatsoever, and that's how you lose those type of games. You know, we we we lack discipline on you, not discipline's a wrong word, but we lack uh taking control of the line of scrimmage. That's just not something we've been interested in in a while. I mean, this goes back to Dwayne Haskins. Like, it's somewhere around in that time is when we just got away. Because I mean, we see what Trevion Henderson is doing with in the NFL, but we didn't even feature him like that, you know, in in a running game there. I mean, you know, I think he had a couple thousand yard seasons, but for as good as he is, not for that's all about saying for good as he is, he probably could have had like seven to fourteen.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could have had, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You know what I'm saying? Like he should have been damn near a Heisman candidate type shit off of his running game. And we just we just haven't been that type of team. And I think I think that's the kind of team that's that's set to you know I'm saying to better granted. I do think we'll beat IU next if we played him again. Like I'm complaining I'm not saying that we just can't beat him. Like, because I 13-10 game, that could go either way. Either way. I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_03:And in that game, there was plays on both sides that could have been that game all day very easily.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Very easily. So you know what I'm saying? And then we know not to press Decker. That's a mistake. Really can't press either, either, either one of them wide receivers. So I mean, there's definitely some stuff to go back on and be like, all right, oh, cool. Or at least not like not press Decker with, you know, your one of your third or fourth cornerback. So I mean, there's definitely some takeaways. It's like, okay, that's an easy fix. Like, we can't let that happen. Make your field goals. Uh, we've been terrible in short yardage all year. So it's just like that's why I wasn't even really too upset because like the weaknesses that we've had all season were exploited. I don't know how many times you know we we've been stopped inside the 10 or something like that. So it, I mean, some of our our our uh deficiencies bit us in the ass on Saturday, which anybody who watches and knows what they're talking about could have you know scoped that out. So I mean it, but they're easy things to fix. Short yardage is Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, that's literally changing the formation. Boom, there you go. Switching, you know what I'm saying, loading up an extra tight end on this side, taking this guy out, or pulling this. I mean, that's an easy fix. Short yardage, easy fix. Well, we've been struggling with that all year, so uh kind of kilts in the in the big team championship, but
SPEAKER_03:Hard to execute something too. Y'all don't be in short yardage a lot. Yeah, but the times we need needed it is. No, that's what I'm saying. So the so that actually those plays to execute, you probably ain't executed them enough because you ain't been in that position a lot.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know how many third and ones, we fourth and ones, we didn't been turning away.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah. No, for sure, for sure. No, I'm with you.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, but going back to the point, I definitely think I definitely think rather Alabama's equipped to be IU. Like I would definitely put my money on Alabama if I had to bet.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I just wish we were playing better at this time of the year. I don't know. It's kind of like we we we we start to flame out. Sometimes those losses like will propel you. Hopefully, I mean, hopefully, like I said, that Georgia ass whooping wakes us up. We need to wake up. We always get and and not always, but at least the past three years. We've got to this point in the season, and we've we've it just seemed like we start to flame out. I don't know if we're tired or what the situation is, but we start to flame out. We play some of our best ball like in in in November, like the beginning of November. But the closer we get to December, we just start to flame out for some reason. So I don't know what we got to do to kind of uh write the ship and reel everybody back in, get everybody back on point, but we definitely gonna need it um against Oklahoma, which we've already played. You see how we beat Georgia the first time, played them again, they spanked us. So we just barely lost Oklahoma.
SPEAKER_04:It's hard to beat teams twice. That's enough. I always hope that's what I'm saying. I hope. I was cool on losing Saturday. Like, bro, it's hard to beat teams twice, especially good teams. Now, Alabama against Kentucky, yeah, you could probably beat them twice in the season, no problem. But if you're talking about top teams, like top 10, top five, top three teams, that's just tough. So, like, it's like if I'm gonna take my pick, go ahead and take that Big Ten championship, we'll see you in it. And then it's like, it's not even a matter of us having to play IU before the championship. If we the only way we play IU again is in the championship. Bro, I'm taking Ohio State all day. All day and tomorrow. And if but if we hey, if it gets taken from us at that point, then we know something. But and that's no slight to IU. IU's had me the first two successful seasons since I've been alive. So I mean, I I don't want to be too like, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to get too up or down, but dude, they balling coaches, coaches that do, like it'll be it'll be tough, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:That's the thing, too. Like, you you just you kind of see like it's it's great as happening now, and even if this is a small run for IU, cool with something to build on. Um, but you just gotta wait it out. You you don't know what teams turn into, you know, dynasties, quote unquote, before you it happens. Like this could be the beginning or shoe. This could be just a short spurt, they can have two bad years and then you know come back around, you know what I mean? Like some other teams do. But we have to see right now, shoe. You just gotta be in the moment with them. And they they they they playing phenomenal right now. So I got the Heisman locked down. So uh you think so?
SPEAKER_04:Man, this is this was a down year for the Heisman. When I was just reading off the candidates, I'm like, but they open. But nobody is really like boom, you know.
SPEAKER_03:But I think with him doing what he's doing, where you don't hear about none of the other skilled positions, like being like, you know what I mean? I think that's kind of what separates separates him.
SPEAKER_04:I mean shit, Surat's gonna be a first-round receiver. I don't know. Yeah, I I I think so. Dude is cold. Like, I and this ain't his first time. He's been he been balling all year. So now I think I I think he he he gonna be cold. I wonder if uh he's on the Blitnikov um list.
SPEAKER_03:I I don't know. I haven't heard I haven't looked that closely into it. Let me see.
SPEAKER_04:I'm sure he has to be on it, at least on it. The awards.
SPEAKER_02:Uh let me see if I can find it. Oh, this is oh, this is the old one.
SPEAKER_04:Damn, he's not on it. They got some guy from UConn on the book. He must have gone crazy this year. Jeremiah Smith's gonna win that going away. I haven't even heard the other two guys. I think Jeremiah's gonna win that going away. Oh, that's right. Surratt did miss some games too, though. So that's that that probably is what this dude from UConn probably went crazy. Let me let me pull up his stats. Are they already did they already announce the awards? Nah, finalists. Yeah, he had 101 grabs for 1200 yards and 13 touchdowns. That is that is outstanding for a uh you know, yukon football player. They went nine and three, two.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah, they got player of the they gave uh yeah, they did some of them. Vanderbilt uh quarterback, he got uh golden arm award. I see some 25s on here. Player of the year, yep, Mendoza, IU Makai Lewis. What other 25 Dick Buckis Award, uh Texas Tech, Defensive Player of the Year, Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. He got both of them and outside and outside uh outstanding linebacker, uh Top Scholar Athlete, Eli Stewart from Van D. Who else? Caleb Downs got Impact, uh Outstanding Defensive Player of the Year, Lot Impact Trophy, uh Coach of the Year, Kevin Khalil. Oh, that's F FCS. Uh let me see who else. Walk on of the year. Have they given the Chuck Bednarik Award? Mm-mm. No, they haven't did that one yet. They did do they ain't did defensive player of the year yet.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess you would have to give it to uh Get Hasman the uh homeboy. I think Saiyan probably would have won it if they had a won, because I mean their numbers are close.
SPEAKER_03:Actually, Julie. Yeah, but I think also again, like having somebody that's so notable at wide receiver, too, you know how they do. Oh, well, you're throwing it to Surgeon.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, well, yeah, I know how they do against Ohio state.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, just like period, like even if you got like a dominant running uh running back, it's like that's why like uh not Oklahoma, but like Alabama, like back in the day when we was the the the Mark Ingrams and the uh they was getting the Heisman's because it was like, well, shh, we could your running game is so strong, like who cares who your quarterback is? But then you get the the tours and those guys come around, you know what I mean, or even uh old boy uh Matt Jones, and now you throwing it to uh I can see his face. But you throwing it to good receivers, and it's like okay, like it's just how they I don't know why they play that game. It's like like look at the whole scope of things. Like, if his numbers is better, like regardless of who he threwing it to, like, he gotta get it there, he gotta make the decision. Like, don't penalize the quarterback because of the receiver. So but yeah, no, I think I think Mendoza got it. You know, I mean, and it's probably because I used to still haven't really heard nothing about none of their skilled players, but when you see them on the field, like you say, like dude's cold, like he's probably gonna he's probably gonna be one of the top receivers in the draft, like but you just don't hear about him, like he doesn't get the praise, you just it's the quarterback. So but yeah, man, so definitely looking forward to these, man. We got we got what next weekend they start, let's see, the first game is on the 19th. 19th, that's yeah, the Bama, Oklahoma. So and then now the other games are on the 20th, so then you got all the way to the first, to New Year's for the second round, like, or no, you got New Year's Eve, the Ohio State game will be New Year's Eve, but the rest of the other three, like, it's just so far away. The championship is January 19th, bro. Like, that's a month away. Like, yeah, man. So far. So far, so far.
SPEAKER_02:But nonetheless, man.
SPEAKER_03:Alright, let's jump over. Let's finish out with some NFL news, man. Uh, look at this week, this week, recap last week. Ah, man. This dude. Bruh. You see, you you see who we win got? Who was that?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, they wild. Hey, I ain't shout out to Phil Rivers, man. That's that's extraordinary. But they they are y'all wild, bro. This is Demer almost six years after this nigga played. Five years, bro. This bro ain't played in five years.
SPEAKER_03:Well shit. He was on the final list. Wait, he was on the finalist list for the Hall of Fame or semi-finalist list for the Hall of Fame this year.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, said he ain't played since 2020, and it's about to be 2026. So shit. Oh hey. I don't know, bro. Y'all should have tried to get uh Flacco, but the biggest dumbasses probably wouldn't even answer the phone.
SPEAKER_03:No, not at all.
SPEAKER_04:Y'all should that's you, that's what y'all should have tried to get.
SPEAKER_03:You gotta you should like I like and I get it. You want somebody who knows the playbook that you ain't gotta teach, and I I get it. He looked fat too.
SPEAKER_04:Shout out to fat people, but uh he he looked big. Well, his face. I didn't see like a full body, but that face looked round. He looks like a 44-year-old man that has a whole bunch of kids and wife probably make good food. He got a grandkid, and yeah, I saw that. That was the most ghetto shit I've ever seen. I was like, this dude 44 and a grandpa, like that's wild.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, bro. But I'm like, yeah, let's see.
SPEAKER_04:People talk about statue. I'm sure he's gonna be a statue, but hey, statue Joe Joe Flacco was bro.
SPEAKER_03:So your first your first games is against Seattle defense, yeah, San Francisco defense, that game anyway, Texans defense, and the Jaguars.
SPEAKER_04:Y'all fuck around, might not make the playoffs, which is crazy. That shit's insane, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, this is what I've been talking about.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, y'all niggas might not make the playoffs.
SPEAKER_01:I've been saying this.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, and I'm not against the coast at all. Like my auntie done reached out to me. Like, I done had my friends, every I like I done had these conversations with people in my circle that are coast fans, along with me. And everybody thinks I'm against the coast because they see our clips and they be like, oh man, I see that. I'm like, bro, if you go back and look to the beginning, after week one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. I said the same things. I'm like, it's cool. I looked at their schedule, I was like, all right, after the bye, we're gonna have some games. It's gonna show who the colts are. And if they're and if, hey, if they're still good, cool. We should have no problem making the playoffs, they ain't got nothing to worry about. But we lost the game before the bye. We had the bye. I think we won the game after the bye because I think it was that that was that uh Germany game or whatever. But then we lose four straight. And now we're in a predicament where we may not make the playoffs because our quarterback is beat up, our backup quarterback is hurt. We have a rookie that's sore or maybe injured or whatever. They he's day-to-day.
SPEAKER_04:Y'all tied for second in the cup in the division? No, we're third now.
SPEAKER_01:That is insane, bro. We third now. Who's the lead team we got this? Texans, y'all. The Texans and the Jaguars.
SPEAKER_03:And who else? In the Titans, but the Titans is not yeah, we're third right now. Jacksonville's first at nine and four. We're Houston, Texas, eight and five, but they beat us, so they own the tiebreaker, and we're eight and five. Hmm. And we're the we're the only eight and five team right now that's currently out of the playoffs.
SPEAKER_04:That's nuts. But then you got six and six or seven and six uh no, you got the six and seven Bengals.
SPEAKER_03:I mean not Bengals, uh Ravens behind us. Then you got the six and seven uh Chiefs and the six and seven Dolphins. And the Steelers. Y'all not eliminated because the Steelers is the division. Yeah. Steelers are leading the division right now at seven and six.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's ugly, bro. And it's crazy because we still have a chance. I think we have to win our last four, which our last four are very winnable.
SPEAKER_03:We got to win our last four, and then uh I think You need this, you need this, you need the Steelers and the and the Ravens to lose some games.
SPEAKER_04:Two and two and two for each one of those teams. But we play each one of those teams. Yeah, we play them out there. They have decent competition too. We only have, if we beat the Ravens, I think we win out because we'll have uh left the Browns, the Dolphins, and uh Well, the Browns has already eliminated. Yeah, and I'm saying we have to play them though. We got the Browns, oh, okay, yeah, the Dolphins and the Cardinals. So if we can if we can find a way to beat the Ravens on Sunday, it's crazy, as crazy as it sounds, if we can find a way to beat the Ravens on Sunday, I think we can run off our last three games. But and it's like we should if we would have won the games that we had won, including the one on Sunday, if we could have just won those games, we would have been good.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Good. Joe Flacco would have. Definitely beat, definitely if y'all would have beat that, if y'all would have if y'all would have beat the Bills, y'all would definitely be in great position.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Granted, you always gotta think we did beat the uh the Browns, we beat them the first game of the season. We should have lost that. And then the second game. Oh, yeah, yeah, well, yeah. Well, we uh when we beat Jags, we should have lost that. So I guess it balances out.
SPEAKER_03:The Jags wasn't playing, the Jags weren't playing that well at the beginning of the season. That's why everybody's like surprised, but Yeah, that was our first home game of the season.
SPEAKER_04:They smoked that game. Like they missed, I mean, they missed. I mean, they looked like dropped touchdowns that would have put the game on ice. They dropped a touchdown that would have put them up like 11 with like two minutes to go. They dropped it, and then they like went for it instead of kicking a field goal, which for a field goal would have put them up a touchdown. Ooh, something something like that. But yeah, they they dropped a touchdown that'll put them up two scores with like two minutes to go.
SPEAKER_03:And and see, and then like I even look back to the coach. You look back to that that Rams game, was winnable. Yeah, but we have some drops and stuff like that. So what if we you know, nine and like if we nine and four right now, we still we still leading a division. If we look back on one game, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just craziness, and even that game against the Steelers, you know what I mean? That we, you know, had all the turnovers and stuff, like that will we still almost won that game. Like, so it's just I don't know, what a bunch of what ifs, but I mean, they fade us in their own hands, like I mean it's gonna be a heavy dose of Jonathan Taylor, people gonna be stacking the box against us, and our receivers are gonna have to be some some man, like some man-to-man coverages, like, and hopefully Phillip Rivers can get the ball out fast enough. That's insane. But I think he will even be saying to even be saying, yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's that's but I I I think he'll be able to, I think he'll be able to throw the ball around, though. Like, I don't I hope. I hope. But I also think so. If Riley Leonard is healthy, do you still play homeboy? I don't know. I mean, I feel like they would have had to bring in a quarterback anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because they have somebody on the practice squad, but I don't I don't think he's been there all year or long enough to um to know enough. Because that's the case, you would have just elevated him from the practice squad, and those have been your two QBs. So, but again, like I think with the Colts' offense being so um scheme heavy that they had to bring somebody in who knew the plays already, who knew the playbook already. And Phillip Rivers dim near came up in this play, you know what I mean? In this playbook, like so I think you had even if it was even to help Riley Leonard out, or you know what I mean? Whatever, like I think that's the reason why. But I'm like, dang, like, wasn't Tyrod Taylor there for a little while?
SPEAKER_01:Like, who was who was Philip Rivers backup? He gotta be younger than Rivers.
SPEAKER_03:Like, somebody else gotta know something about this play, but who was who was uh uh Jalen Hurts backup in Philly? Like, somebody else gotta know this playbook. It was Nick Foles or somebody, like somebody else gotta know this playbook enough that with a decent defense and a good running game could win us one or two games. You would think.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, that Phillip Rivers that caught me off guard, but shout out to him.
SPEAKER_03:When I heard it, I was like, I hope this is just noise.
SPEAKER_04:I hope this is just noise. Imagine hearing that as a as a fan of the coast. But I hope this is noise. I've heard it all, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm in unity. And then when they said they signed him, like I'm watching the Pat McAfee show as they're talking about they signed. I'm like, what? Aren't they serious? And then the next day today, of course, it's video of him in practice, stretching, throwing the ball. Oh my god, this is this is for real. I'm like, all right, we'll see. I mean, it can't be no worse than what's been going on already. Like, we won't Daniel Jones, you might as well just forget about him. Because he's not playing next year, he can't play next year. He got you gotta think people think about the the AC. He has two hurt legs, he still has to heal a fracture, and he got to heal an ACL.
SPEAKER_04:But you know what though? You think you think somebody won't sign him though?
SPEAKER_03:And this is and and this is it. If Daniel Jones is smart, he wouldn't. Because the the only thing is is that his price when he might when he comes back healthy, this might be a personal price for him though. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:You could probably get more money if you wait to sign versus and also you probably not because people I don't think people were fully believers in you, period, and then you're hurt. I don't know. No, that's what I'm saying. But I'm saying what could pay him a hundred and thirty million dollars this offseason.
SPEAKER_03:What I'm saying is though, if you if you well, nobody's gonna sign you this season because you're just gonna take up a roster spot and you're not gonna play this year. You know what I mean? Next year.
SPEAKER_04:But he got signed after uh injuring his tournament. Keeley's in the NBA Finals. And he just sat for Brooklyn that whole next season, but he he was getting paid.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's different when you got a you still had a Kyrie and a James Hart. Like you still have the pieces. Like, that's different than basketball. But in football, as a quarterback, you're not gonna, you're not gonna give a, you know, you're not gonna pay a quarterback, let's just say 40,000, 40 million dollars a year to just sit there for a year and a half.
SPEAKER_04:He'll still be rehabbing, he'll still be in practices, he'll still be with the team. He'll also still um she could possibly come back. I mean, Achilles injury is what, a nine-month injury, ten-month injury? She might be a little bit of a lot of things. Yeah, but the button is the last seven games of the season.
SPEAKER_03:So that's I think about I think about I think back to like people who've rushed back, especially quarterbacks who've rushed back from that. Like you look at the the Aaron Rodgers when he rushed back, he still wasn't really right until that next year almost. You know what I mean? Like, you may be back enough to stand up and maybe throw the ball, but you gotta think Daniel Jones teams have done way more idiotic shit. No, I I'm not look, I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_04:I wouldn't even be surprised if y'all if y'all re-signed him next year. He's gone.
SPEAKER_03:And that's why I would remember I was saying I hope that the money's already on the table because like you know I mean, or they got like a tentative agreement. Because if not, then we might we might price ourselves out of him because teams, like you said, after once the end of next year comes around, this time next year, teams are gonna be looking at him like, okay, we know what you did with the coach. So, like, hey, maybe if I'm Daniel Jones, I sit back and say, Okay, I know what the coach are gonna offer me. I don't have to sign that contract right now. I can sit even in free agencies, I'm hurt, nobody's gonna, you know what I mean? Like, and entertain different offers to maximize my value if I'm him. So you think he sits out next season without any contract? I if I if I was him, I would, and just see what the offers are gonna be. Because if nothing else, the coats, the coats are right there. If coach won't be back, and I'm sure if I'm sure won't be back, then yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like if a team wants him for the future, they're gonna sign him even hurt. Like if they keep enough in him to like him, I don't think he's because like I said, he's like what's there's no benefit of saying, oh yeah, I like him. I think he's good for us for the next 10 years, seven, eight, nine years, but he's hurt, so I'm not gonna bring him in, bro. You're gonna sign him.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, but what I'm saying is get him have him with the team. But that's what I'm saying. But then like the long, I'm thinking I'm I'm just saying he can as far as the coats, if they already have something that they talked about, with him not being able to play, like he may be able to like entertain other offers. I'm not saying he he don't somebody don't sign him, but as far as entertain, if he probably wasn't hurting to take the coach to the playoffs, you know, he'd probably just stay where he is.
SPEAKER_04:But check this out on the flip side, what if this is a blessing in disguise for him? Because what if he turned into the real Daniel Jones down the stretch and like really mess his stock up? I mean, what's that's what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:So, like that's what I'm saying. He ain't got to sign with the coach right now. He can he don't gotta sign with nobody. That's what I'm saying. He can sit through the offseason and entertain other offers and maximize his value while he's hurt. Right, but I'm saying he ain't gotta be in training camp, he ain't got that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:Next season, I feel like he's gonna be on somebody's roster. I don't think he's gonna go.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I'm saying. But he can still, he don't, that's what I'm saying, but he don't have to be. He can still, like I said, he can entertain offers. Like I would think that, like I said before, like the Colts would probably already had a you know something that they agreed on. But if I'm him at this point, I'd be like, well, let me see. Like, I don't need to sign right now, like I can chill, like I know the playbook. I don't have to be in camp. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04:Well, shitty hurt everyone in camp anyway.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like, I don't have to do anything right now but rehab, so I don't have to sign with a team right now.
SPEAKER_04:Do you want to rehab at a team or do you want to rehab as a part of a team though?
SPEAKER_03:No, I would, but I wouldn't sign the coats deal until I hear other offers because I'm hurt.
SPEAKER_04:I don't even know if if I mean he might get the best offer from the coats. I'm sure people aren't gonna be blown down the doors. Even teams that need quarterbacks, I don't know if they're just gonna be like, oh my god, Daniel Jones. Like the Raiders. I don't think the Raiders are in on Daniel Jones. With some other teams that could possibly need a quarterback, like the Saints. I I I'm not sure that they're just gonna be like, oh hell, Daniel Jones. Like, I feel like the Colts might go on him.
SPEAKER_03:You might be might be Cardinals. The way they've been talking about Murray.
SPEAKER_04:Uh yeah. It's just really hard to see that anybody just wants him except for the Colts, because he did well. The Vikings here, and then this I think, man.
SPEAKER_03:The Vikings really wanted him, and he signed with us over the Vikings, even though the Vikings offered him more money. But I think the Vikings might be done with JJ. That's that's that's I don't disagree with that, but that would be tragic. And they really wanted Daniel Jones. So if anybody may get into a bidding war, it may be used. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, they wanted JJ to start for sure, bro.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. Oh, well, I know the reason why he said he signed with us because he had a better chance to start than in the Vikings, but I think the Vikings offered him more money.
SPEAKER_04:They knew they went in knowing JJ was gonna be the starter.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but I think if if if the things would have played out the same way this season with the Vikings, I think they would have gone from JJ to Daniel and been probably wouldn't have looked back.
SPEAKER_04:They them niggas would have kept saying Darnold if they weren't all in on JJ, they were all in. I don't think there was no.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. That's why I think no, they would have brought him. I agree with you. I think they would have brought Jones in as a backup, but with the with how bad JJ played this year, I think Daniel would have ended up starting, you know what I mean, halfway through the season, and they probably wouldn't have looked back. So with them knowing that saying we wanted him anyway, that's what I'm saying. I can see that as maybe an off-season, off-season like little bidding war because hey, he hurt, we can sign him and we can still run JJ for one more year if we want to. But like you said, have him in the building, have him rehabbing with us, and then in what 27 he could be our player, and he'll still only be what 30?
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I don't even know if 26 is a complete watch yet though. So shit, nigga might play next year. Whoever he plays.
SPEAKER_03:Even if you yeah, even if you bring him in, you know, even if he plays November of next year. I mean, like I said, you still got JJ, you know, on a rookie contract, you can still run him. You know what I mean? Or whoever you shoot, somebody else may come available, who knows? You might pull a Kirk Cousins back. Oh which he thrived in that in that system, so that's their vote. I'm just saying, I mean, there's a couple guys out there who will be available at Winston. There's there's guys out there, there's backups available. Hell, the probably Flacco will be out there again, and there's gonna be some guys. So let's check out uh what games we got coming up this week. Uh scoreboard, let's see. Good game. Let's see, Thursday night. We get Falcons Buccaneers, man. Uh, we do get Chargers Chiefs on Sunday. That'd be a good game because uh Chiefs have to win that game. That's a must-win for them. We get Lions Rams, that's gonna be a good game. Uh Coach Seahawks. Interested in that just to see how this is gonna play out. Uh, Ravens, Bengals, that's important for y'all. Why should we lose, bro? Maybe you get Bills Patriots, that's gonna be a good game. Uh Packers-Broncos, that's gonna be a good game. Battle of the number one seeds. Uh, yeah. I mean, Dolphins, Steelers, that may be a good game because both of those teams, well, Steelers, you know, they need to win uh to stay in. The Dolphins need to win to get in. So that Monday night game may be exciting. And the Dolphins have been playing good football here lately. They run game has been pretty good. So it's some definitely some good games this week. Looking forward to it. But with that, man, that's all I got, man. What are we defunding this week?
SPEAKER_04:Defund Sharon Moore, like, bro. What are you on? Did you hear that story?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, I was actually reading it uh right before you got on.
SPEAKER_01:Like it's crazy, like, bro, get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:Why bro, you're the head coach in Michigan and you throw all that away for for for you could have fired, like you could have fired the staff member and then had a relationship.
SPEAKER_04:Bro, you could have done anything.
SPEAKER_03:Like, there's no reason, like, there's no reason for you y'all to both be working at the same place and have a relationship when you clearly make enough money that if y'all wanted a relationship, you could have done it on the other side. You could have just said, hey, look, you're fired, and we can have a relationship. That's the only way to but y'all sneaking around doing it. You know you're gonna get caught. Somebody gonna know something, somebody gonna find out something.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, bro. That's that is absolutely nuts, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Because before I heard the story, I just thought, I'm like, oh man, here we go. Another coach is getting fired because they didn't beat, they didn't beat Ohio State or Ohio State.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was like, that's the first thing I thought. I'm like, there's no way they just got rid of this man because they didn't beat Ohio State.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, nah.
SPEAKER_01:No way that just happened.
SPEAKER_04:That's what I immediately went to. I'm like, damn, I don't think he deserved to get fired. But and then I look, I was like, oh okay. Yeah, get buddy out the paint, man. It's over with. And it's like that's the kind of stuff that a man, you're talking about derailing a career. Luckily, he made enough already. I mean, shit, I think he made up to like eight million a season or something. So I mean he ain't gotta work the rest of his life, but man, like, bro, that shit crazy. So yeah, yeah, that was wild.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'll be interested in who who aired that out. We bro, we know how this went, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Yep. She probably got caught up. Her her boyfriend or husband probably found out, and then shit just well, it's the same way every single time. Same way. I know he didn't tell. So some kind of way, she or some money, it definitely probably was some money involved.
SPEAKER_03:Anything, bro. Like we we we know how this shit happened, happens too often. Because, well, wait a minute, they didn't say romantic relationship, they say inappropriate relationship. I mean, I think we know what that means, though. No, no, but that's what I'm saying. Because you know, sometimes if they say romantic, it's like, okay, it's like they wanted to be together. Somebody just found out that they was probably just sleeping together and getting that, yeah. It was fucking for sure.
SPEAKER_05:That's the only thing it could have been, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But to throw to be the head coach at Michigan, bro, and throw that away for that's bro, you're fried.
SPEAKER_03:It happens, it happens every day in America with men. For sure, for sure. Every day.
SPEAKER_04:So and I'm not saying I'm not like put pushing blame, but I mean, I just we know this, we know how it went.
SPEAKER_03:Like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It was all cool. He was probably cool.
SPEAKER_03:I wish we knew who this person was. We we gotta find out a picture. We need to see who he is, of course.
SPEAKER_04:Fix Patrick sent me uh a picture of alleged, like, cause he no, it may be it was my boy Steve. We're in the Ohio State group chat, though. Uh my boy Steve sent the picture in.
SPEAKER_05:Surprise.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, copy. Copy that. I guess you got me. Yes. All right, well, there it is. Well, man, that's hey, look, I I I have nothing, man. I appreciate you joining me. Appreciate everybody who watched, man. Uh like, subscribe. Um Yeah, man. That's it, man. This has been the Epic Podcast, man. We will see y'all next week. Yes, sir. Peace out.