E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
From WNBA Finals Drama to NFL Meltdowns: A Midseason Reality Check
Yo, yo, welcome back to another episode of Epic Podcast. We a little late today. Just me and Jared in here today, man. How's your sports week been?
SPEAKER_01:Man, miserable. Um the Reds just got eliminated in two games last night, which I mean, we all knew was gonna happen. Neither game was close at all. Um the Bengals They played the Dodgers, right? Yeah, yeah. The Bengals are on probably one of the worst runs I've ever ever experienced. And we've I've seen a lot of bad, but this this bad is is is something new. Um, so yeah, I mean, sport, I mean, Ohio State's rolling. I have to remind myself, I was like, I'm a I'm a Buckeye fan though. I'm a Buckeye. That's the only thing that keeps me sane when it comes to sports, because it's rough. I mean, Bearcats, trash, basketball, um, then the uh Reds, trash, Bengals trash. I mean, we're like a different kind of trash too. It's just it's yeah, it's not fun.
SPEAKER_03:So hey, hey, fair enough. Fair enough, man. Um actually the opposite, you know, in the state of Indiana, man, we actually up every sport. So I can't, I'm I'm just gonna be quiet and not complain. Uh so you know, I'm up, yeah. I'm gonna stay quiet.
SPEAKER_01:So Notre Dame ranked, IU ranked, undefeated.
SPEAKER_03:Fever just was man, one game well chilled a couple minutes away from being in the OP. I watched that game the other night. Uh I did too.
SPEAKER_01:I did too. They uh yeah, they need to make a movie about the years fever teams. That's crazy. That's and if if Mitchell wouldn't have got hurt, we probably would have won it. She damn near still. I mean, if uh Jackie Young and and uh Man, they just uh in the in overtime, bro.
SPEAKER_03:It's just everything just started dropping, bro. They just couldn't miss it overtime. Like a literally a shot. Yeah, they couldn't miss in overtime. I mean, the stuff was just once that third three went in. I was like, all right, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because I kept just looking up and shaking my head. Like, because I'm like, I acted the fever are probably the only Indiana team that I root for. Like, so I was actively wanting them to win, like, and it wasn't nothing, they just couldn't miss, and people's getting hurt, and uh Leah Boston fouled out. Yeah, it was just ah man blown opportunity.
SPEAKER_03:But you know, they I mean I mean, but that shows the potential of the team with like not without a clay, Caitlin Clark. Now imagine if it was a Caitlin Clark out there, like there's no doubt we could have won that game.
SPEAKER_01:Caitlin Clark, Sophie.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we're missing like three players.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like I had more injuries than that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was one more, too. But like, yeah, like we definitely look at it like this.
SPEAKER_01:At the end of that game, four at least four of y'all starters going into the season were not on the court. No Kelsey Mitchell, no Caitlin Clark, no Aaliyah Boston, no Sophie Cunningham. Yep. That's how that game ended. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but sure. I mean, right, man, while we're on the topic, man, let's go ahead and just jump in and talk about WNBA and the WNBA finals, man. Uh we got we got the Mercury versus the Aces. Uh Game One starts on the third, so what Saturday? Oh no, tomorrow. I'm tripping. Tomorrow. Tomorrow starts tomorrow. Um, I don't have a time in the in the channel yet, but um players to watch. Uh Thomas 25 for the for Phoenix, averaging 15 and 8 and 9. Debonair triple double. And of course, Aja Wilson averaging 23, 10, and 3. Uh more than that. Yeah, I think this is I think this is the playoff averages, though. Um and she did have a couple bad games that last series. Uh, actually, the fever series, she had a couple bad games, but I mean, but still, she still came through. I think she had 30 uh the closeout game, so like she was back to her usual form. So um definitely gonna watch, man. Gotta keep supporting this league, man. Get these get these ladies some more money. I'm definitely gonna watch. Uh just to see how it turned out. If nothing, follow it online.
SPEAKER_01:I I'm I'm afraid it might be a lockout uh next season, though. Yeah, I've actually seen the last of the WNBA for a nice little minute. I think the owners in there might cave eventually, but um for them to not have for them to be in the spot that they're in now as a league and not have an agreement on the table, it seemed like that should have just been easy. I mean, it's it's going up. It's literally going up. You got you got you had Paige Beckers come in this year and kill it. You're gonna have uh Juju coming in in May and killing it. I think that's another reason leading to her sitting out this season. It makes the season starts right after the college season. Yeah. It make it literally, I mean, I'm talking about the draft is like two weeks after the championship. Yeah, so it's just like it make it makes sense to not play this year because I mean you still playing next season, so it's like, you know, yeah, she's gonna get drafted, yeah. Yeah, she's gonna get she's gonna be first, period. Like there's no doubt she's gonna be first. I wouldn't play either. You have nothing to nothing to gain in this situation.
SPEAKER_03:Um I definitely agree with that.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, who do do who got the number one pick? Do they do it like the NFL?
SPEAKER_03:Um, yes, they do do it like the NFL.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit.
SPEAKER_03:I can double check, actually.
SPEAKER_01:Because I mean, I guess we can start that campaign now. I mean, we about seven months out.
SPEAKER_03:Uh let's see, standings. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They did they do it like the NFL, so it's a it's a lottery. Um but the worst teams right now, you got Dallas, Chicago, and Connecticut. Oh, if Dallas or uh if Dallas or Chicago make it because Chicago already got the big, so if they get a they get a juju, a guard like Juju, that's gonna be crazy. Yeah, they're gonna cook. And then Q. Dallas already got got guards, though.
SPEAKER_01:So Can you imagine uh uh a start lineup of uh Beckers, uh Rikay, and Juju? Juju. Come on. And they probably got some more people. I ain't thinking about what just them three, them three of your pure scorers in the league.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, absolutely. That would be crazy. Matter of fact, let me look. Let me see who they got. Yeah, Beckers. Uh, let's go to stats. Let's just see who who was hooping this year for them. Beckers led the team in scoring with 19. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Ogre, uh, what's your call? She was 15. Yeah. That's crazy. Year before, she had damn near average probably. Oh, I'm gonna score with 20. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh no, man, they got some hoopers. Maddie. I can't say, I can't say these names. These names are tough. Kerrigan, like, they got five people averaging 10 points a game. So you drop a juju in there, even if she comes in and average like 15 shoes. Uh, she's gonna average more than that. I mean, I'm just saying, like, if she does, you know how how they first years sometimes. Just getting acquainted. And like you said, especially coming off an injury, too. Like, you know, I mean, it could go either way.
SPEAKER_01:But uh Yeah, Rika averaged 22 last year, so she had a she had a down year. That's crazy. Mm-hmm. She played, she started every game, 33 minutes a game. Yep. Hmm. Yeah, that's that's I thought she was thought she was doing more damage than that. She was killing, she was cutting up last year, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, the year before, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:No, she definitely was. I mean, but still, I mean, like you said, even if uh you look at a Chicago Sky, because they had the same record.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, Dallas and Chicago Sky.
SPEAKER_03:They had the same record.
SPEAKER_01:What is that like 10 and something or five?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, 10 and 34.
SPEAKER_01:Woo!
unknown:Yikes.
SPEAKER_03:So you look at Angel Reese, she averaged 15 a game. Uh Cordorso averaged 13. Uh Atkins averaged 13. And then uh Vandersloop, whoever that is, she only played seven games, but she averaged 10. Yeah, I want to juju. That's what I was saying.
SPEAKER_01:You drop a juju in there, man. Because I don't want, I do want parody. I don't want, I don't need all three of them buckets on the same team. Let's let's put let's put uh Chicago with with uh Angel.
SPEAKER_03:But I think if you do that, then like you know I mean, like Juju goo, big personality, you know what I mean? She got that same type of following like an Angel Reese. I would probably like to see her probably in Connecticut. That's they were 11 and 33. Because they don't really have no big names there, not that I know of anyway.
SPEAKER_01:I see what you're saying, though. You're you're trying to get like at least one on each team. No, I feel that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like you said, the parody. So the names can bring the fans in in every arena. You got somebody you know, see no matter what the matchup is. You got one or two stars that you can go and want to spend your money to see.
SPEAKER_01:That's facts. And that would benefit us too, because then every receiver make you want to watch more games. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, that's I didn't think about it like that. That's a that's an awesome point. No, I'm rolling with that.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Tina Charles um is was the lead scorer for the for the uh Connecticut. Yeah, they they were they were horrible. But they got rid of all their good players, they got rid of their coach. Like they was there was a playoff team. They had like the third best record last year.
SPEAKER_01:Got rid of everybody. You see, uh, the Liberty got rid of their coach after uh going to the win it went in the finals.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you won the championship last year. Like, and they didn't even have a bad season this year. They were second in the east, they was 27 and 17. Atlanta only had a better record, and they were only three games better than them. The Vegas is in the finals, and they were only three games better than them. They actually had the same record as the Mercury. Like, what are we doing? I don't know. Wish I had the answers for you. Like, I don't know, man. Like, what do you gotta do? You win a championship next year, you don't win the championship. So you what you you firing coaches for not winning championships every year?
SPEAKER_01:WNBA is a wild place. Like, I mean, you gotta think the WNBA is a league where they like cut rookies. That is true. Well, there, I mean, there's no um, I can't even think of the right word, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's actually not too wild that a coach would get fired after winning the finals. I mean, if you draft somebody 12th overall and then cut them before the season starts, that's a that's a cutthroat industry. No, I agree. I've never seen nothing like that in NBA. Well, no, maybe we haven't seen Coach of the Years get fired, though.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like that next year. Like, I mean, look at look at what happened in Denver.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that was crazy. And he don't he didn't get a job this year. Yep. And the coach in Memphis, the coach in Memphis was like Memphis been competing. It was like three of them that that got the can that we was all like, what? The Knicks, Memphis, and Denver. I want to say I remember us talking about them. Yeah, but yeah. I I just knew that the um I just knew that the Spurs was gonna pick up somebody.
SPEAKER_03:I think they oh, and then uh Phoenix.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. That was the other one. That one wasn't as surprising, but because they I mean they've underachieved since they got that line up, but but is that I don't I don't know if that I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know what you blame that on. So I guess I guess you do blame it on coaching. I mean it just it always go to coaching.
SPEAKER_01:It it just didn't work because I mean I I feel like I could coach that team to some kind of success. Like, I mean, do something. Like that's fair. I mean, you gotta do something. That's the same thing like with Zach Taylor. I know we'll probably get there, but like do do something, like do something, fight back. Fight back.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um let's jump over to the NBA, man. We'll talk about some money with the most recent being Kaminga uh finally uh settling with the with the Warriors.
SPEAKER_01:He's gonna get moved for sure. You believe Warriors is one of those teams where you ain't about to just walk away from there. Um they'll they'll sign you, they'll trade for you and trade you. Yeah, like nah, it's it's they're like the equivalent of the Chiefs in the NFL. Like they're gonna they're gonna sign and trade, they're gonna get something for you, just like they got something for Tyreek Hill, they got something for uh Legerious Sneed. Like, they're not but you're not about to just walk away from either one of those teams. And coincidentally, they win. There's a direct correlation, and then you got some teams that just won't do that and keep losing. The team that I'm speaking of shall remain a nameless for right now. Talking about NBA, we'll get into that later, but you know, that's not absolutely wearing these days.
SPEAKER_03:So the uh so Miami and Yovik, I want to say, yeah, uh, four years, 63 million. Now, uh, I don't know. I don't want to say if this is a bad deal or a good deal or a bad deal. He just turned 22 after last season. Um he did post career highs in uh I mean points per minute, uh true shooting percentage, all that, assist, all that good stuff. But I don't know if I've seen enough out of him for this amount of money for four years 63. That's I mean, I guess you when you break it down, it's about 12 mil a year.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I've never seen buddy play.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I guess a little more than 12. It's about 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16. Well, 15, 15 and a half, or something like that.
SPEAKER_01:I saw four years sixty-four, which would have been.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yeah, I guess it'd be round up. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, so I mean, even for that money, I mean, I guess that's not a lot to invest in a young guy. I mean, and it's an extension off a rookie contract, too. So um he only started 10 out of the 46 games last season. But I mean, Miami. This got drafted.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh, he must have he must was he a second rounder? Mm-hmm. Ah, there it is. I was gonna say, like, how did he go through a full rookie contract already?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So uh, yeah, so I mean, I guess we have to wait and see. Um, because Miami, I mean, Miami always compete, they're always there uh fighting for a playoff spot. You know what I mean? Whether it's 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th. Um, they usually always get in too. For some reason, they always get through the the uh the play-in. So I mean, they're always there fighting. So we'll see, see what type of hero comes back with. Bam. I mean, if they do any more roster moves, try to add to that team. Uh, Pat Riley always got something cooking up. Um before the trade, before Dame went to went back to Portland, I guess I should say. I heard he was trying to get to Miami, also.
SPEAKER_01:So everybody's trying to get to Miami, but Miami just won't won't take these guys. Bradley Bill wanted to go to Miami. Yeah. Um, I think KD wanted to go to Miami at one time. Giannis has been trying to get to Miami. I mean, uh, these are all rumors. I don't know what truth, but they be like, nah.
SPEAKER_03:But I also think, I mean, not only is it just, you know, the lifestyle of living in Miami, but I mean, no state taxes. No state taxes. Like, let that be playing a factor. I mean, when you're getting, you know, hundred, two hundred million, like, you ain't gotta pay that extra tax. I mean, Milwaukee, you paying that tax. Uh, Portland, you paying that tax. Like, so if players can get to those states that don't really have those taxes, then yeah, I'm sure they they all for it. Um again, commingo two year, 49 mil. What do you think about that, man? It's just two years, but I mean that's a lot. That's a lot of yeah. That's 25 years.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's a bigger play. Um, I feel like they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna move them. Um I think he's gonna be. That's because that's I mean, if they know that there's there's no like they can't reconcile, like, yeah, I'm gonna sign you and get something for you. Because if they can't agree to a contract and he just doesn't report, they get nothing for him.
SPEAKER_03:So I feel like Well said the day before the deadline, Kaminga uh unilaterally accepted his one-year, eight million dollar uh qualifying offer as a restricted uh free agent. He opted in as long as the Warriors made an agreement to keep Kaminga with Golden State uh on a tradable salary.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, see they're they're they're they're gonna move him.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know where else. He'll make about 15 more this season than he would with the qualifying offer. So, yeah, but I think and it's gonna be depend on how they play too. If they come out and they're winning, you know what I mean, then and he's a part of it, because you know how the Warriors are. It's all about, yeah, we may be winning, but are you a part of it? Or like are you a factor off the bench or you know, defensively? Like, are you part of making this go? If not, if Kerr feel like that, like you said, if they can move and definitely get some draft capital, draft capital and some and a decent player, yeah, they'll move. Yeah, and that's not a huge contract either.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think Tur likes him. I mean, because that's the reason all of this. Um, that's why Caminga really wanted out because he don't feel like he's getting the reps. And I mean, honestly speaking, I don't think he's getting the reps either that he should be getting. Yeah, but he was a third lane scorer last year, so but that's crazy. But if that's crazy though, but he did he doesn't how many minutes did he average? Uh I can tell you right now. Every time I watched him, he went he averaged uh 24 minutes. Yeah, see that that's crazy. He averaged 15 4 or 2, yeah. Or 24 minutes a game, like why not play him 36? And he's probably thinking the same thing. And also, he played he played four, he only played 47 games last year. And I don't remember him being hurt for it. He he was definitely getting DMPs. Like I vividly remember that. So like Yeah. I don't know, G.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm with you. Um, but I mean, even in the playoffs, even though they lost that series against the Timberwolves, like, I mean, game one, he had 26, game two, he had 23, game four, he had uh no, game one, he had 26, game two, he had 23, game three he had 30, game four, he had 18. I mean, like, he played, and then those are all in lose and losses. Like, and in those minutes, he played 32, 30, 36, and 26.
SPEAKER_01:Shooting the ball well. I I don't know, man. I don't know why they're not committed to just giving him like a permanent role and just rolling with it. Like I said, hella deal. He only played 47 games last year without any significant injury. So like there's a lot of times that he just he just rolled the bench. I I I don't understand it. But yeah, I think they just was like, hmm, man, take this deal and they're probably gonna trade him. And like, unless you said, I mean, maybe he does come out and he gets a real opportunity and he kills, they might reevaluate that. But I feel like everything, I feel like the Warriors is one of those teams where if they don't like you, they don't like you. And it's like I feel like if they liked him, they would have been gave him a contract, been committed to him being a key part of the team. Um, for him to get a contract at this point. I feel like there's a bigger place.
SPEAKER_03:I could be wrong. And he's only, I mean, what, 25? He's about to be 25? Like, he's super young. Yeah, like shit, he's 22. 22? My bad. I'm tripping. Oh no, he'll become a free agent before it's 25th, but I thought they were saying, like, right now. Yeah, it'd be cheap. Yeah, 22 in four days. Yeah, get 50 mil. I mean, like, but they said uh Phoenix and Sacramento show interest, so I mean, they said striking a trade and uh signing trade deal was complicated for the full salary. So, but by they said January 15th, he become eligible to uh be traded, and that won't be an issue no more. So, yeah, probably by the trade deadline, huh?
SPEAKER_01:Where did he go to college? Or did he go to college? Nah, he might have been one of them uh G League League guys, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Ignoring uh let's see Experience Draft uh bio.
SPEAKER_03:Um it does not have uh college, so I don't think he went to college. They got his birthplace, draft info, like they don't have a college on the phone.
SPEAKER_01:I think he was uh one of them G Wiggy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he probably just came up, yeah. Nah, but uh yeah, so we keep a keep an eye out to see where Kaminga may go this year. Um next, we got uh uh Giddy with uh Chicago, man. Four year, 100 mil. 25 a mil, 25 a year for him. Um definitely uh played well with Chicago last year. I just think Chicago needs more pieces. What do you think, man?
SPEAKER_01:Uh I mean I agree. I don't really know what Chicago's deal is. Uh they got rid of Lonzo Ball. I don't know really what that was about. Um they're they're not in contention. I mean, they're they're one of them teams that's just gonna keep continue spinning their wheels. I don't think they have a focus. I don't think they have a like a Buzellas is nice, but I still I don't know if he's gonna be like a cornerstone of the Bulls organization for years to come. You know what I'm saying? Yeah like they just don't have that guy, and it's like I don't know who they're building around on that team. Like Kobe White clearly has no, you know, he don't he don't want to do it. Um I don't know. The Bulls is one of them teams that they're they're a ways away from from being nice, like a ways away. Like they don't even have on like the first block, building block to be in, you know, any kind of in content for anything.
SPEAKER_03:So I would have to say it would have to be Cody White. I mean, yeah, he averaged 20 last year, like 20 and five. Like that's the that's the only one. I mean, uh Nicola, I can't even say his name. Vuchukish, the center. He was he was 18 and 10 last season. So I mean, and Josh, I mean, I guess those three will be a kind of your cornerstones. I mean, they had six, seven people averaging double figures last year. Oh, well, no, Zach Levine. No, I mean, take that out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm not, yeah, I don't see it. And I mean, uh, and like I know we probably look at numbers differently, but I I still don't see like somebody can average 20 points to me, and I'm just like, well, that's he's not that guy. Like, you're not gonna be like, okay. Yeah, this is okay. Look at it like this. Could co could Kobe White be moved? Like, could you not, could you see the Bulls moving him at some point? Absolutely. That's exactly what I'm saying. Like, they don't have a guy that's like, okay, he's not going. No, we're not letting him go. This is our guy. Our franchise. You know what I'm saying? Vooch can get traded. They would trade Kobe White if the right thing came along. But guys like, you know, Minnesota ain't trading, ain't trading uh um um goddamn Anthony Edwards. Like he's not going anywhere. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of just kind of like that. But I mean Luca got traded too, so I I can't call it.
SPEAKER_03:Which again, that was like that was like almost like the Colts moving from Baltimore to Indianapolis in the middle of the night. Like, no, like I left like awkward silence on that.
SPEAKER_01:So they got so lucky getting that how everything folded. They got lucky getting Cooper Flagged. They healthy, they're damn near the best team in the league on paper. Talent-wise, yes, absolutely. Talent-wise, healthy, you mean you got Clay Thompson, um, Kyrie, Anthony, healthy Anthony Davis.
SPEAKER_03:Well, Kyrie won't be back this year.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, hopefully he will be. I mean, I don't think.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I hope I hope I'm a huge Kyrie fan. Yeah, hopefully back.
SPEAKER_01:That's why I was saying healthy. I mean healthy team is nasty.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. Absolutely. Um uh next one, uh PJ Wats, PJ Washington and Dallas, uh, four-year 90 mil.
SPEAKER_01:No wonder that girl is asking for more money. But I mean, that's that's a that's that ain't about the mood of the needle at all, really.
SPEAKER_03:So no, but I think I mean a good a good 3 and D guy, uh, especially the pair with uh, like you said, bringing in Cooper Flag. I mean, everybody who's there that needed to be paid has been paid. So they don't really push the cap like that.
SPEAKER_01:That's and that's that's another reason. Like I be trying to figure out, like, how can they afford to pay him that and then plus what AD's making? I know that's almost 50 million a year, plus what Kyrie's making, and I know that's probably gotta be at least 30. Like, that's something.
SPEAKER_03:Clay Thompson ain't making a bunch of money. Uh the Gafford ain't making a bunch of money.
SPEAKER_01:What is Clay Thompson making? Uh we can look. He gotta be making at least 25, right? Uh with some of these guys making, I mean, I would Nah, he making 16.6. That's what I was about to say.
SPEAKER_03:He ain't yeah, yeah, he's not making he's not making a crazy amount.
SPEAKER_01:That's a bargain. But after this year, Clay would have been on after this year, Clay would have been untouched 282. That's that's huge, bro. And after his contract's over, he'd have been untouched 316.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but I I mean, like that's insane. Um, but then you also get uh they got D'Angelo Russell, they just signed him. So that's another guard. I mean, to be there while Kyrie ain't there, at least a fill in for now.
SPEAKER_01:Their team is nice. They they got a couple more guys. They still got Gafford. Yeah. Well, he um well he's he'll be alright. They he got hurt, but Derrick Lively?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean they got they got them guys in a position where all life we gotta do, bro, just grab rebounds and block shots, bro. That's that's all you have to do.
SPEAKER_03:Let's let K AD handle most of the scoring ball. You bring K. I mean, you can't double him too much. You got Clay out there, you bring D'Angelo Russell, who can also get his own shot and create like block some shots and rebound.
SPEAKER_01:That's why I didn't understand why the Lakers didn't play uh homeboy, um uh Jackson Hayes. Like, bro, with the team they had, bro, all you gotta do is block shots and get rebounds. That's it, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Lively. Yeah, they got some guys. Russell, Dennis Smith Jr.
SPEAKER_01:Didn't they get Dimwitty back too?
SPEAKER_03:You said who?
SPEAKER_01:Spencer Dimwitty.
SPEAKER_03:Uh nah, he's in he's a Hornets.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, damn, rest in peace.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so nah, you're right, man. They they they definitely on paper, like you said, healthy. Once they get back to full strength, they're gonna be a tough out for anybody. So, I mean, they did all that. I mean, they have to be able to afford it. Um, you got the the De'Aaron Fox deal, four years, 229. I think that's another good one, like say it in San Antonio, where it's a bunch of young guys, a lot of the guys on rookie contracts. Um I think that's I think that's gonna be nice, man. I think uh San Antonio may surprise some teams next year. Uh I think they're gonna be a lot better.
SPEAKER_01:A full year. You said what? I said that's a cheap call too. Who who did they bring in? They got they got Wimby, they got Stefan Castle, they got De'Aaron Fox.
SPEAKER_03:That right there, that's a trio. That's that's that's enough right there. Hello trio. Uh Dylan Harper. Uh come on, bro. Nah, they I mean, you lose Chris Paul, which would have been another really good veteran just to have there. But I'm about to I'm about to look at their roster right now. Like Harrison Barnes is still there. You got uh Biombo there, Castle, like you said, uh Fox Harper. Uh who else been hooping there? Johnson, like they got Kelly O'Lennox. That's a nice vet. Uh, like you said, Wimby. They got some guys, and they're huge. Like just I mean like yeah yeah they they're gonna be they're gonna be a tough out especially if they get some more younger guys to come along and they're not paying a bunch of guys either like I'm looking at these salaries and Fox is literally the biggest one at 37 million a year yeah no they're gonna yeah they're gonna I think they're gonna be competing even though the West is just so tough two out of two out of your top three guys is is uh on rookie contracts yeah um and then I mean of course you got the Luca extension the three year 165 man it seemed like the the best guys in the league don't have no contracts nah nah I mean pooping on three years 165 well in the in the grand scheme of total overall yeah if you look at extension yeah yeah is still a lot of money but I mean there's guys with 300 million dollar contracts like like if anybody in the league has a 300 million dollar contract how the hell does Luca not have one um but see he he's not uh but the only reason why it's like this is because he's not available for the Supermax because uh players who change teams after their rookie contracts conclude uh he's now limited 30% of the cap. Damn so they couldn't give him more they gave him as much as they could like but I mean it improves a little bit on his player option which was 49 million anyway so um but he's the only player under contract for more than 15 million beyond this season so damn for the that means they can resign Austin Reeves I'm I'm just looking at it right now I mean Aiden uh he probably declined his uh 8 million dollar Rudy and DeAndre Aiden declined that$8 million player option but yeah so it's probably yeah probably a good move I mean just a bill for the future I mean after this year they can you know bring in maybe somebody else depending on what uh LeBron does or chooses to do um definitely sign get uh Austin Reeves back gotta have him back in the house um and then see what LeBron is gonna do and maybe bring in one more guy if the a if DeAndre Aiden works out and you can like keep him there for cheap.
SPEAKER_01:You know let's say y'all make you know I mean Western Conference finals and everybody like all right let's you know I mean let's let's run it back and try to bring in one more guy um last but not least uh Mikhail Bridges man for a year 150 it's hard for me I mean like I don't feel like they make him big enough factor in the offense for somebody with his skill set to pay him 150 like why don't he get the ball more I don't know I mean he's a hell of a role player yeah is one 17 he averaged 17 last year 17 3 and 3 man that's actually more than I thought though but damn and he played all 82 what's that uh 75 divided by two is what 30 35 70 and about 375 a year for Michael Bridges man I guess I'm still just going on base what guys you know used to make but that's a lot of chicken bro and I mean I mean I guess he played 37 minutes a game last season it just didn't seem like it yeah that's I mean you gotta think yo third arguably fourth best guy on your team is making 40 million that's damn near more than Brunson because I know he took a pay cut I don't know how much he made he might be making 40 but I know he's not making as much as he could or should probably should be but I mean also too like I don't know man it's it's like the Knicks is just weird yeah and I'm not sure you post to to pick up uh uh homeboy is the wildest the wildest thing I've ever heard of like Ananobi making 40 mikkel bridges making 25 this year Brunson making 35 this year uh Josh Hart making 20 uh Mitchell Robinson's making 13 I'm just looking at the bigger ones like everybody else's salary is like super low on their team uh carr Anthony Towns making 53 so yeah that's a lot of bread bro yeah and they just got Brogdon so see how that go I mean at least they got another ball handle with somebody else they can create and get their own shots because yeah you can't keep you can't keep I mean Bronson like Brunson dominated offense like yeah clutch shots at the yeah cool but like he just dominates the ball so much like you gotta come with something different and maybe that's the reason why they switch coaches but to go to the Eastern Conference finals and literally be one game away like on some on some miracle stuff like you run that back exactly as it is until it stops until it like completely breaks down.
SPEAKER_03:Like teams just like alright like we back to where we was before this pretty much but again it's New York like like I don't know why they so anxious to like change things up when like yesterday I mean and then it's like bro if you were gonna do that bro like have something lined up Mike Brown that couldn't have been your plan bro well it clearly wasn't because they went through all asking for all these other coaches before so I mean I guess it's a hundred percent solidified that that wasn't um their number their you know what they were playing on but shit and nobody wanted to like like you didn't go get uh old boy from Denver you didn't interview the you know I mean like these coaches these proven coaches it was it was like it was like four guys remember we was talking about it it was like four guys is out there and we was like okay well they got rid of coach they must have got one of these guys that they've talked to and had them lined up ready to come in and it was like nobody like you said you bring in uh whatchaca like that's not too and I think we agree on this like that's not an improvement no you talk about Mike Brown yes that's a steep decline a steep decline because I know Mike Brown all too well like he's not it you couldn't have you couldn't have been like okay yeah this is this is the guy no no way I don't even believe that and I'm not even paying him I don't believe that nah I'm with you on that like you it was too many more options out there way too many more options so I'm still here bro no you good um so with that being said man we're gonna jump over to the talk a little college football as you can say something you can be excited about man talking about the Buckeyes which right now man we're gonna go through the top 12 rankings so of course right now you still got Ohio State at one you got Oregon at two Miami at three O Miss at four uh Oklahoma at five Texas AM at six Penn State at seven IU at eight Texas at nine Bama at 10 Texas Tech at 11 uh Georgia at 12 and that rounds out the top 12 right now um I don't want to do honorable mentions but a little beyond 12 like just some teams to look look at that's on the uh that's dropped you got LSU at 13 they just they dropped down a lot after their loss um illinois dropped to 22 uh even after winning last week Notre Dame down to 20 uh 21 at 2 and 2 only uh two loss teams that's still ranked um you got Missouri coming up at 5-0 you got Georgia Tech coming up at 5-0 Vanderbilt coming up at 5-0 uh so those are some of those uh bottom 12 teams to be looking forward to uh that's in the rankings that's undefeated and I don't know why they allowing Donald Dame to hang around there's nobody on their schedule right now that can get them back into this um maybe Miami. Let me let me double check their schedule real quick. No they play Miami already they lost it. USC is no longer ranked Boston College isn't ranked Navy ain't ranked Pitt ain't ranked Syracuse ain't ranked Stanford even if they went out Notre Dame is not making the playoffs unless there's a major collapse at the top of the rankings excuse me at the top of the rankings I don't I don't see Notre Dame making it even if they went out Boise State NC State USC Boston College Navy Pitts Syracuse and Stanford Yeah Notre Dame might have to uh wrap it up this season man be done uh kind of I mean that's reality I mean it just is I mean they don't have a conference championship and maybe that's the reason why they allow them to hang around at 22 because it's like no way that they can win a conference championship and make it in right yeah their schedule is just not strong enough um they have no ranked games left so but yeah uh talk a little bit about last week man huge win for Bama over Georgia which I think we talked a little bit about them needing that uh last week after being ranked what 16th I believe to jump back up there uh get into that top 10 uh who else had that uh had a huge win last week uh Oregon over Penn State needed that win uh kind of showed uh Penn State who they were uh still hanging around at seven though which is crazy Ole Miss You said Penn State is seven yeah Penn State is at seven niggas is ass bro every fucking year that's what I'm saying they still hanging around at seven which is crazy I wouldn't put them over Indiana right now no they play too well so that's all I'm about to say I think they they play oh we got a couple weeks today play but I mean even Indiana that win over Iowa was tough but that's it's Iowa like Iowa's just tough they they're not always ranked and they're not always you know have the best talent but they tend they just always compete in the big 10. But they get Oregon next week or this uh they get Oregon this week coming up who's that or next week no I'm sorry uh Indiana telling the end of that game yeah they play them on the 11th so next Saturday uh at 3 p.m on CBS they get Oregon so that's really gonna because they the top they topping uh uh Big Ten right now Indiana and Oregon at 2 0 so we're gonna see uh uh conference standing my bad not overall but uh yeah so we're gonna see uh that's gonna be huge for Indiana if they beat Oregon then it don't even matter what happens the rest of their schedule I mean of course they would probably have to they wouldn't even have to even have to win out uh that kind of gives them room to lose to somebody but yeah that's that's gonna be a good game yep I'm tuned in for that that's gonna be a huge measuring stick for them for both to both of those teams Oregon and uh IU but again we have another one of those IU seasons man so kind of seeing like you know maybe last year won the fluke everybody was kind of like you know skeptical about IU you know we even talked about it they they reloaded I don't know what that coach is doing or what he's saying but we need him for the Bengals bro like that coach is because I mean who the hell is Fernando Mendoza bro I don't know he played what three years a cow never heard of him he come here he's killing it but he did the same thing was uh who was he at not SME he was at Jn who was it James was a uh the coach James Madison he did the same thing there like he got there and just turned the program around like like in two years like they should have been in a bowl game you know me they got they got slighted but I mean they ended up losing a game they lost one game which kind of got kept them out but still they were competing bro so when they brought him in at IU I was I kind of like in the back I was like hmm I don't want to see what he's gonna do here but he turned every program he's been at he's turned around so I'm I'm definitely uh not too surprised but hey he got the recruiting he got the recruiting bug he can get him in there and he's finding gems bro like in the transfer portal so I'm definitely gonna be excited for next week he's doing um like I said O Miss at four Oklahoma Texas AM uh all jumping up man like it's about to be some we were talking last week me and Ike was talking about is there a shift in the SEC and Big Ten like is Big Ten now that conference the the top conference what do you what do you think about that yeah I I yeah for sure I mean in and I mean yeah I mean you would almost have to say so I mean I feel like Alabama has taken a step back th these teams that just were like indestructible just aren't anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Like Alabama's kind of took a step back Georgia's kind of taking a step back um I mean Texas has been beaten by the Big Ten. I mean Ohio State beat them twice in the last what five or six games um it it really it's just more parody I mean I Oklahoma isn't as powerful and those aren't even your traditional SEC teams I mean you Florida Yeah I mean you look at like Ole Miss 5-0 this year you look at Missouri 5-0 this year you look at Vanderbilt 5-0 this year with me being super tapped in I know that them teams ain't like that yeah no no that's what I'm saying that we're about to see neither one of those teams can beat Oregon neither one of those teams probably can beat Penn State neither one of those teams can beat Ohio State shit neither one of those teams probably can beat Michigan now granted Alabama and Georgia could give some smoke to some of those teams but I just feel like top to bottom I just feel like the people Oklahoma already unbeat Michigan.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah that's that's true but I was talking about Ole Miss and uh oh okay okay okay gotcha gotcha so let's look I want to see I mean talking about Ole Miss let's see what they who they their biggest win is LSU which that's a big win LSU is is they kind of weak too that's another SEC team that was a powerhouse and it's just not really the same no more man but you're gonna I mean but they're gonna start separating themselves I mean uh O Miss they get Washington State next week but after that they get Georgia and Oklahoma back to back. Hey if they win those two shout out to them they win those two they'll probably be number two in the nation yeah if they win their next three games they'll probably easily jump to number two and then you get Missouri who they played Bama next week and then you get then they get Vanderbilt Texas AM and Oklahoma so we're gonna see what they made of yeah I'm not a believer in Vanderbilt I'm not a believer in Ole Miss but then Vanderbilt they got a guy like you said they play Bama coming up but then they get LSU Missouri Texas and end at Tennessee.
SPEAKER_01:So I mean it's probably three of those games you just mentioned Oklahoma they get Texas next week and then they got Ole Miss Tennessee Alabama Missouri and LSU that's the end of their schedule and South Carolina they skid they Oklahoma got the hardest schedule I feel like the SEC got a lot like they by volume I feel like they're probably better than the Big Ten but I feel like the big ten top teams are better probably run through I didn't want to say run through because like even Ohio State do I think they will beat the sleeves off Georgia and Alabama?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_01:Do I think they might win? Probably but I don't think I think it'd be a good game for sure I don't think they're blowing the doors off those teams no neither way no no I don't I don't it's probably actually closer than what I what I what I probably thought I just think that since I've seen we've all visibly seen these teams take a a a step back that kind of just you know oh well maybe especially like after the shakeup but I also I also think I also think like the teams that went to that left the Pac 12 and went to the big 10 um helped it helped it absolutely for sure like Washington is a decent team yeah like they're they're they're they're decent uh usc decent you at UCLA ain't time out shit but uh Oregon is obviously Oregon so now that definitely helped the conference out for sure but I mean I mean I I'm not a believer in Penn State I'm not a believer in Illinois either those are two teams that were ranked fairly high that I just I I but I also think that they play um because they play in the Big Ten and they usually compete in the Big Ten and that's like like you said the Iowa's the Illinois even if they're not ranked nationally we see how they play the top teams in the Big Ten.
SPEAKER_03:Penn State yeah Penn State too I'm just saying like Penn State loses to every good team in the I'm not saying they win I'm just saying how they play they they usually play hard so when you comparing them to an SEC team I think like you said it will give them a run for their money because they're used to playing steeper competition in the Big Ten. That's what I'm saying. So while Penn State in the Big Ten you know may not be like that team if you put them up against an SEC team I don't see them getting just completely blown out because they're used to playing the Ohio states and the Michigans and now the Oregons and I mean now shoot you got to start talking about Indiana.
SPEAKER_01:Hey I was talking about you so um because I didn't think that we was going to beat IU last year. It's just for some reason it's like Ohio State has mind control over certain teams and it's just like I know how to beat Ohio State I swear that I could I could put together a game plan to beat Ohio State the corners are always so weak just like I always say about Northern game if they had figured out the game plan earlier in the game they would have beat us because you we were hanging on at the end of that game. When they started attacking them corners in them we had nothing for them. But for some reason teams just always wait they start too late because I've I've seen IU um was it it was when Penix was there. Yep they tried running up the middle and doing all this stuff for the first you're not gonna do that. Ohio State Ohio State's front seven is just notoriously always good always good always good always fundamental they're not always the best don't get me wrong but they tackle they always like you said fundamental they're gonna make the tackle you're just not gonna bully them in that they're gonna play the right way now you're right about that but our corners are they're always the weakest part of the team and it's just like that game Penix when he starts figuring out that Sean Wade couldn't play defense tearing him up tearing him up but then they ran out of time. It's like people just they play Ohio State they try to beat Ohio State playing Ohio State's brand of football and it ain't gonna work. And you remember when we got smashed by Purdue? Yep they fit they they came into the game doing the right thing and we we had nothing they beat us by like 30. Yep Purdue they I don't even think they were ranked they beat by like 30 because they played they played how Notre Dame was playing towards the end of the national championship on the start and we had nothing for it. We had nothing for it. Nah I agree I don't know why teams don't just attack more but it's just like they always try to play how we they're trying they try to match how we play no we gonna run it up the middle you want yeah you can't you're not gonna outphysical Ohio State now you can now scheme them yeah you're not gonna outphile them take that back Michigan's been definitely but that's that's a little bit more yeah yeah that but that yeah that's on that like so I mean it's a little bit extra motivation to do so but we've totally been getting little bro by Michigan like that's they figured it out yeah but because they they're actually beating us playing our game which is crazy but they're but that's not but it's not they're playing then they're playing your game but that's not it's not like it's not their game because that's how they kind of that's how they play too it's it's like y'all have the same kind of style and it's kind of like a like let the best man win kind of at the end. Right. But if teams just came in with the mind say hey we're gonna run and no we're gonna just gun on how it's gonna work because we just I mean granted we got a new defensive coordinator this year. Got Matt Patricia so he might have something to be able to neutralize it. I'm not saying we're ass obviously we're a very very very elite football team but I just find it interesting that people don't attack our notorious weaknesses and that's they be ended up losing I'd be watching like bro attack uh Igbenosen he's not good attack him I will throw it at him every single down you're gonna get yards like you're going to get yards you're gonna be successful but they don't do it so that's fair that's fair well notable games coming up you got Georgia in Kentucky and the only reason why I put this as a notable game is because no bro if you go back and look at like the past five Georgian games it's been like under 10 points the winners are less than 10 points every game.
SPEAKER_03:Mac Jones just went down he holding his leg oh gosh um other notable game you got Vandy and Bama uh course Bama lost to Vanderbilt last year uh definitely hurt their chances in the playoffs last year so that's gonna be a notable game Vandy ranked 16th Bama ranked 10th and then you got Miami and uh Florida State uh this week uh Miami being three and Florida State being uh ranked 18th um so notable college football games for this Saturday man check them out check them out check them out you know I'll be tuned in yeah I'm gonna uh like I said I'm gonna try to do something with this gondola this I just gazebo but I'm definitely gonna try to chill and watch some games my bad I hate to see that he's like grabbing at his calf he looking uh man they can't vibrate 49ers I bet yeah I bet you Ike's sick right now oh man all right well with that being said man let's go ahead and jump into jump in to talk about the grown man lee um man that's man I hope he man I hope it ain't that's crazy bro I don't even know who they're this would be a nice time to have Ike on to talk about this and it was it was contact but it at the same time it was like what he hurt didn't have really anything to do with the contact like okay got it yeah man so man my dang on my mouse over here is trash I ain't even had this mouse a year um I can't even well looking at the standings right now man that's the only thing I can see right now uh AFC East you got the bull Buffalo Bills still undefeated Patriots number two at 2-2 Miami one and three they finally just got their first win this past week even though they lost Tyreek Hill sucks Jets are on four again uh AFC North man Pittsburgh 3-1 Bengals 2-2 Baltimore 1 and 3 Cleveland Browns 1-3 so um no real changes going on in the AFC East but you being the AFC North uh expert in a way um Cleveland making a QB change what do you think that do for them nothing um I mean I granted I think he'll do better than Flacco but I I'm still kind of bitter about the whole Shadura Sanders situation so I I I I just hope bad on them like I don't have anything against Dylan Gabriel but I hope he sucks um you know that's just I I just feel like Shadura Sanders is being exploited right now like not even exploited that's maybe not the right word I feel like he's being sabotaged yeah that's all I'm about to say I'm about to say sabotage is probably the right word for that I feel like he's being sabotaged right now and I I I can't stand it I honestly can't stand it it it it burns me up so um yeah man I I wish everything bad on the Browns I mean he's gotta be the best most talented player to not get a shot in the NFL that I've probably ever seen I mean pound for pound or play for play or however you want to like come on man but do this do this kind of catapults him to the number two quarterback because I mean you're not going back you're not going back to Flacco they've already announced that Flacco was the backup it's they are really sick man it's really sick like and I don't know it's sick man it's it's that's just a messed up situation they're literally making an example out of this dude and then it's like to see what Cam Ward is doing come on man like he but he was the number one overall pick like he sucks and I told y'all and I don't and I don't even think so I that this recorded that I didn't see any difference between them I don't see I didn't see any difference.
SPEAKER_01:Cam Ward could run a little bit better but from a full quarterback perspective looking at the entire pieces all the pieces to the puzzle there's no way that he's a first overall and should do it's fifth round no not a chance in hell I agree with that I never even really saw what the with the uh what the the oh my god about cam ward I I I've watched college football he's never really jumped off of me I remember when he was I mean he was he was cool yeah I don't remember when he was at Washington I watched I watched him at yeah that's what I say I watched him at Miami and he was he was he was cool I mean he wasn't I bro he looked like a a prototypical bust like it just I maybe I just got it like some kind of weird spide sense or something but I could sense like him struggling isn't surprising me at all I never really saw the franchise quarterback in Camboard and I'm just keeping it a name like I'm just keeping it a book not even saying that I see that in Shador but it would have made more sense if he was drafted one and Shadur was drafted five or something like that. Yeah but I don't see five rounds of difference between them at all.
SPEAKER_03:No and I definitely don't think I mean I think the world knows that that's like Shador Sanders is not a fifth round talent. Right.
SPEAKER_01:And then people keep saying all the media well why are they so focused? Why is the other rest of the media so focused on a fifth round pick? He's not legitimately a fifth round pick. That's why he's being talked to that's why people want to hear what he has to say because y'all know that he's getting fucked. So I was listening to Nick Wright on on uh cam's podcast and Nick Wright's strategy was to try to use Cam uh try to use uh Cam Newton's like status to help you know Cam Newton agree with Nick Wright and he fell miserably it it it just was a bad point of view he was kind of saying stuff like well he's not a Cam Newton he's not you bro he's not like bro that's that's neither here nor there cam ward isn't a Cam Newton either so what what point are you trying to make?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah so that just was whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and we know Tyler we know Tyler Shuck wasn't no damn Cam Newton like come on what are we talking about like yeah no I I agree I just it's one of them things that like we really gotta kind of sit back and just let it play out and see when he gets an opportunity what happened.
SPEAKER_03:I mean I mean preseason is preseason but it is pro ball right so it's kind of like like what are we doing you didn't even give him a chance like you didn't even give him a chance to run with you know run with a real line like real receivers like I hope I wish everything bad on the on the uh cleveland browns everything I hope at some point they have no choice but to give him an opportunity and then I hope and then I hope he goes crazy because what he fifth round he only got a one year right I don't think is it one or is it or is it two because after that I would if they would give me a chance and I and I go out and let's say hypothetically Shadow just goes out there and plays well I man I wouldn't even give them the option to sign me back. Oh yes over bro I he I would I would go elsewhere if it was me
SPEAKER_01:I want to say yikes. Oh, now he got a four-year contract. Four four year four point six four million. Damn, man. That's I mean, fucking with his money. That is sick. He should easily have a 20 million dollar guaranteed contract. Easily, bro. They're literally playing with that. They're playing with him. Like, that is sick. Let me see what Tyler Shuck is making. Like, man. And it's like, why'd you even why'd you even draft him?
SPEAKER_03:See, what I originally, and this was my notion when I seen how it went down and how it got back, he got to Cleveland. Cleveland wanted to take him as the first, as their first round pick. They wanted to. But I believe they was like, hey, look, they talked to the rest of the league, to the rest of the owners and said, hey, look, we're going to draft him. We want him. He was going to be our pick. You know, but we want to teach him a lesson. Da-da-da-da-da. All the owners agreed. Not to touch him. And they said, we're going to pick him in the later rounds. Maybe fourth, fifth pick. We're going to pick him in a later round to teach him a lesson.
SPEAKER_01:Teach him a lesson. We're talking about growing men. Ain't your kid.
SPEAKER_03:Right. No, I agree. But I'm just saying I think that's what happened. Because, like, bro, the Saints, the Panthers, there's a gang of teams out there that needs quarterbacks. And with all these quarterback movements, uh, the Niners could have used it as a backup. I mean, Arizona could use it. I mean, like, there's a lot of teams, even if you're bringing them in as a number two back, a number two uh QB. Like, there's a bunch of teams, Kakots, like there's teams out there that could have used him. The Saints? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The Saints. Like, there's a lot of teams that could have used him as a quarterback. And y'all already had three quarterbacks. Y'all had traded for a quarterback. Y'all still got Watson on the roster. Like, y'all had guys. Y'all brought Flacco back, all this before the draft. Just to draft him in the fifth round. Don't make no sense. That lets me know that y'all, he was y'all number one pick. Gabriel wasn't even on there. And y'all only picked Gabriel to twist the knife. You know what I mean? To trying to like throw salt on the womb. But nonetheless, they're one and three. And we'll see what Dylan Gabriel can do. But I don't foresee it being anything good. Yeah. So Baltimore, man. Lamar hurt, missed two practices this week. They said they're not sure if he'll play this weekend. We know it's not. He's not the problem. But with the defense playing the way they're playing, and if he's hurting and unable to go, I do not see them winning this week. That's a great question. Let me see. They have. They got the Texans. So and they just got they first win. Yeah, I don't know. But the Texans ain't been playing great. They haven't. So especially with the way their O-line been playing, has been horrible. So their offense has been the Texans' offense has been bad. And Baltimore's defense has been bad. So you know, it may be a battle of Baltimore's offense versus the Texans defense. And if Lamar can't go, then the Texans may come out with a win that game. Yeah, he he's he's been struggling. But I think it's the offensive line. I mean, like, it's only so much you can ask of him when you know he ain't he not being protected. You ain't got all these players, and y'all done put all these players in different positions, you know what I mean? Y'all can get in safeties and receivers and all this stuff, but y'all have yet to adjust the offensive line. Right. So feel sorry for him there. Um who do y'all who y'all have next? We got the Lions on Sunday, bro. Oh, that's right. You both talking about that game.
SPEAKER_01:That's belt to ass.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't even want to go. Like I said, if I can't sell my tickets, I probably will go. Well, I will go if I obviously if I can't sell my tickets, but yeah, belt to ass, bro. We're gonna get embarrassed. And it's really crazy because like, watch we come out and try to be competitive.
SPEAKER_03:Like, that's what I'm about to say. This is probably like one of them games where you look at it, you be like, do little stupid shit like that.
SPEAKER_01:Like, we're probably gonna, I I just but that's another thing. You gotta give me credit for this. I've been saying we was ass all year. Like, I've been I've been saying it. People, oh man, but y'all got like, bro, we're just not.
SPEAKER_03:But I mean, I I yeah, I mean, without like, but we also stated that like Burrow covers up a lot. So I think now you're you're you're seeing that without himself, bro.
SPEAKER_01:He played against the Browns and we had seven yards in the second half. I'm not fucked you can throw these last two games out. I ain't even talking about the last two games. We can focus on the game that Burrow played. We were ass, bro. That was a terrible, terrible, terrible performance. And people was always like, oh, are you never happy? No, I can just watch football and tell, okay, yeah, we ass. Yeah, we won, but we had to, they had to miss. It had to be a lot of things that go first and and and drop passes that end up getting picked off and all this other shit. Yeah, I can look through a win and a loss and be able to tell you how how this shit is gonna go. Like, it ain't even about it being a post game. It's just like we did not play well. We did not play good at all in our first game. And in our second game, it started off kind of cool, but Burrow was still under way too much pressure. Um, it just it just it just don't feel right, man. I I maybe I got some kind of senses that others don't, but I I knew I at no point was I like, okay, yeah, we we on to something. Bro, I seen that first game. I was like, yeah, we asked. We had the same team that we had last year. Trey Henderson hasn't touched the soul all season and did all that hooping and hollering and be paid. Like, and I'm actually glad we didn't sign him to no crazy deal because that would have been wasted money. We signed T. Higgins to a to a pretty decent deal. Um, but his his guaranteed money is funny. I think after this season, we only owe him$10 million. And people don't know that. So you we gotta make the move. You gotta trade him. You gotta trade him. But at this point, I don't even know what he's worth because he's not doing anything. T. Higgins is is is MIA out there. He means he's not doing anything. So he he has no trade value. Uh Trey Hendrickson had no trade value even after being first team all pro because people watch the games. Just how I watch the games, people watch the games. They know he's not fit. Nobody he ain't got no trade value. And nobody calls us like, hey, I'll give y'all so-and-so plus a first rounder. Nobody caught the bingos like that for Trey Hendrickson. We gave him the green light to go find a trade. Bro, go find a team that wants you and tell them how we're at it. Nobody did anything because people watch the games. Like you can look at the stats. Oh, he has 17 sacks. Oh, he's first team all pro. But if you watch the games, he is not a hell racer. And people see that. And here we are. Hasn't touched anybody all season. I think he has one sack that was in the um Jaguars game when it was like third or fourth and forever, like nine seconds on the clock. They had to just throw it all the way down the field. He ended up getting a sack to end the game. But hey, that's one thing I can hang on. I've been I've been right. I've been right. I've been right. And it's just it's just is what it is at this point. But yeah, the Bengals right now currently are an embarrassment. Um I mean, it's really nothing, they're not even competing. I mean, the fact that the coach still has a job, we still haven't brought in another quarterback. The line sucks, defensive line sucks. The bright spot, I like Demetrius Knight. Rookie, we drafted, we got playing linebacker. I do like Demetrius Knight. He actually finished tackling.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Henderson, my bad. Henderson got two sacks. That's it. Henderson, who's the other one against? Uh, one against Jacksonville and one against Cleveland.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, so he had one the first game. Yeah, I don't even know. I must have missed that.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, I just I just outside of that, bro.
SPEAKER_01:So we're still not getting any pressure. We probably have the worst pressure rate in the league. I'm actually certain of it. I mean, I'm sure we're dead. We're shit. I think Baltimore might actually be worse than us. But they they missing a lot of starters, though. We're full, we're full strength on the defensive side of the ball. We ain't missing nobody. But they just they're just not good, bro. It is what it is.
SPEAKER_03:That's fair. I mean, like I said, I mean uh Joe Burrow affects a lot.
SPEAKER_01:So man, you can we can we can grade with him in.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm just saying, no, I'm just saying, like, I mean, in general. I mean, I kind of look back to like how back in the day, like those payton manning teams was like like yeah, man, like yeah, we were we were good, but defensively we wasn't. Like everything was offensively, like we had to win, like we had to win games offensively, like our defense just wasn't that.
SPEAKER_01:And I think our offense is overrated as well, like it's just not as good as everybody makes it seem. And I don't think it's a player thing. I mean, we clearly got T. Higgins is clearly talented, Jamar Chase is talented. I actually think Chase Brown is talented. We obviously know that Burrow is talented, so it's it's not even a full player thing, it's it's coaching. Like none of the guys are in the right positions. We don't like use motion, we don't try to try to take advantage of different matchups, we don't like move guys around and get interesting, and we we don't focus on the run game at all. Like we don't we show no um commitment to the run game. So it's like there's clearly no practicing and no preparing to run the ball going on at all. Like we just we just don't do it. Like it's just we just don't do it. We can't we can't run a screen, uh, we can't just run a flint, we can't just get the ball out quick. It's just so many um deficiencies with the offense. It's just like, but the guys got Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. Well, if the coach is an idiot and we don't have the right, we don't run the right plays at the right time, we don't run the right schemes, we don't try to manipulate the defense, like you know, you ain't helping them. Because even with your wide receivers, I mean, even with like like we're we're watching the game now, like with uh with with Devontae Adams, they're moving them around, they're stacking them behind people, like they're you know, they're they're playing a real football game that's trying to focus on getting him in the best positions and the best matchups, and it's just to be successful, yeah. Right. And if you if you on if you have a team that's not doing that, I mean you're not gonna be successful, and that's what we're seeing with the Bengals now.
SPEAKER_03:I agree with that. Um moving on to the AFC South. I mean, we got the Coast at 3-1, Jaguars at 3-1, Texas at 1-3, and then Tennessee at 0-4. Um, I mean, Coach have been playing well. That's that's all I can say. We just lost Xavier Howard. He just retired abruptly. Um, but I mean he was kind of getting cooked past couple games.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, y'all had a guy retire this season?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Xavier Howard.
SPEAKER_01:I missed that. I don't know. Would I be on the show?
SPEAKER_03:It was happened like two days ago. But we had just signed him too. Like, we kind of brought him in off the streets. He hadn't played in over a year. Because remember, he was with the Dolphins, and then they cut him, and then he didn't get on the team last year, and then we brought him in this year. Uh, because of course we got injuries to our uh defensive backfield as usual. Um, and he just abruptly retired. So, you know, another coast retirement in the middle of middle of the season, or you know what I mean, in some weird time. Because we have what? Uh Vontae Davis did it.
SPEAKER_01:Oscar. Oh, yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03:Andrew Lut, now Xavier Howard, like uh Pat McAfee abruptly, abruptly retired. Like, nobody's seen that coming. After like an all-pro Pro Bowl year, he just done. Um, yeah, like, I don't know, something about the coast. The people just tend to just like, hey, walk away at all type of times of the season. So it is what it is. Um, but I think we we're kind of in control of this division right now. Uh Jaguars have they're not as good as they seem. Um we could very easily be 4-0 if Homeboy would have just not celebrated.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, Adon Mitchell. If he wouldn't have celebrated, like, just score the touchdown, celebrate after. Like, it's so many horror stories about people celebrating before they get in the end zone. Like, it happens all the time. At least once or twice a year, somebody loses a game over a celebration. Whether it's a penalty at the wrong time, like celebrating the first down, something like something with a celebration, fumble, like it's always something crazy. Running, get an interception, you running with the ball in one hand, trying to juke people, like it's always something. So score the touchdown, celebrate after. Um, yeah, we could have easily been four enough.
SPEAKER_01:But playing good. Uh tell me this the uh touchdown that got called back um by um Jonathan Taylor, I think it was like a 64-yarder. Was that on the same side as AD Mitchell?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, he got the holding penalty on that too. It was 57 yards.
SPEAKER_01:Like his block with his hold was like in the play, though. Yes. See, his hold is the one that broke the why is everybody trying, because I was listening to the news and they were like trying to blame this dude for that. Like, I'm like, they're making it seem like he would have scored without the without the hold. Like, oh I don't know. I didn't know, but I'm just like, why are they trying to make it seem like I think he I think he maybe would have, but I think they're just talking about like he's been like he's just been to be a second-round draft pick, like he's been very inconsistent for where he was drafted.
SPEAKER_03:Like it's always been something with him, like drop balls, like why I mean like wide open drawballs, like uh, like you said, then you get to the you know, you could have scored, and like like we got Alec Pierce hurt, like, so we really need you right now, you know what I'm saying? And he's just not showing up like for like where he was drafted. I mean, drafting a receiver in the second round, you expect him to be like ready to produce. And yeah, talk about you know our receiver core and stuff like that, but it's like we take these guys high, and these are the type of guys that we get, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I don't know, man. Hopefully he can snap out of it. Mentally, hopefully it don't weigh him down. Hopefully he can just you know come back and play better. Um I think we get, I think we got, yeah, we get the Raiders. So, I mean, and they coming, you know, they're coming into their own. So hopefully, um, you know, we can we can get back to how we were playing before uh last week. And even last week we didn't play bad. I'm not even gonna say before last week. Like just hopefully it doesn't derail us um and how we've been playing, I should say. But yeah, man, um AFC West is probably one of the most competitive uh divisions in the AFC right now. I mean, you got the Chiefs figuring it out on offense, and once they get Rice back, I think they're gonna be playing even better. Uh the Chargers have beat everybody in the division already once. They're 3-0 right now uh in the division and 3-1 overall, leading the division. Uh, they just who did they just lose to? They just lost to the Giants. So we'll see how that go. Hopefully. I don't know, I ain't gonna say hopefully, but um it was Jackson Starts first game, so we just like I said, you know how it goes like with the first game when you put in a new quarterback, especially a rookie, and like they just fell into that, to that, that kind of I don't want to say trap game, but just that situation. Um, I still think the chargers uh be okay. Um but this is a very competitive division, even the Raiders at one and three, I they've been playing better each week, from what I've been seeing. Um I think this is this is I don't know, man. I don't know. What do you think about this, about this division, the AFC West? Because I think we have a conversation about the AFC West like every year. Uh it's easy to just talk about the Chiefs, but I think this year like everybody's in the conversation.
SPEAKER_01:I keep trying to I keep hoping the Chargers is gonna break out. I don't even know why I hope that, but I mean shit. What it is what it is. Um, so yeah, man, I'm yeah, I'm hopeful the Chargers win. I don't really honest, honestly guy, I really don't care. But um, yeah, I I don't really think because I feel like the Chiefs, whether they win a division or not, they're still gonna be a tough out in the playoffs. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Um even as a wild card or whatever, like they still gonna ask for somebody when it comes to the Chiefs.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, yeah, it don't really matter.
unknown:All right.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right, right. Uh NFC East, man. Of course, we got Philly at 4-0, Commanders at 2-2, Dallas at 1-2, 1-2-1. I forgot they tied other night. Uh, and the Giants at 1-3. Philly winning games without passing the ball, just super run dominant, like not getting AJ Brown into the game, like he's gonna end up retiring next shit. He's already been making social media posts about being unhappy. So he may be getting moved in the next couple weeks. If uh but then you do that in the next game, he gets his four touchdown passes.
SPEAKER_01:Right. All be well. All be well. Um somebody made a good point earlier. Uh, who's I watching that said this? Uh my it was Cam Newton, actually. He was no, it might have been his um his co-host Peggy was saying that. Um they were saying basically like it's it's twofold, like so. There's two sides to it. So basically, he's looking at it like I want to contribute, and you know, like, well, if you're not gonna, you know, contribute, let me contribute, then I should move on. They're probably looking at, well, we're winning games despite you not having any production. So why are we paying you? type shit. I was like, Damn. So it's really, he really needs to say try to be cool. You know, in a sense, because it's like it's two sides. Yeah, but they're winning, yay, he's they're winning and he he's not having to do much, but on the flip side of that, we're winning and you're not having to do much. Like, let's talk about the funds.
SPEAKER_03:So but is it is it my fault? Like, am I dropping balls? Am I not where I'm supposed to be?
SPEAKER_01:Like, like so if you teams without you needing to do anything, they're probably like, shit, well, we paying you probably what do you make? Probably 30, 35.
SPEAKER_02:Like, shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, get 30 million dollars. But don't get too crazy.
SPEAKER_03:But I also think, too, like, do you want to have uh uh AJ Brown and not need him right now or not have AJ Brown and then need him?
SPEAKER_01:Definitely you would rather have him and not need him, but right, but he has to watch out from going too crazy though, because like say he forces himself a trade, they'll be like, oh, so we can get a first round for him, and he's gotten what you know, 10 catches all season, and like hold up now. Now you send his ass back to Tennessee.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, somewhere against where he really don't want to be. You'll see. And four games played. He got 14 catches, he got 28 targets, which is more than anybody else on the team. For 151, he's averaging 10 yards a catch. I mean, he only got one touchdown, but they haven't thrown, they only did they only got five touchdowns.
SPEAKER_01:He only had one real game, though. Yeah. I can't remember who it was the I think it was like the second game or the third game. It was one of the middle games. He had one good game, but the rest of the three games have been trash. I mean, that's the same with Jamar Chase. Like he's had one good game, and the rest of the three were like four-string stats.
SPEAKER_03:Like obviously. Uh first game against Tampa Bay, he had two catches, nine targets, seven yards. Uh second game, yes. Okay, so that's part of the uh six six uh catches, ten targets, one oh nine, and one TD. And then against Kansas City, he only had five catches, eight targets, 28 yards. And then the last game against Dallas, he only had one catch, one target for eight yards. So yeah, you say he had that one game, that that six catch game for 109.
SPEAKER_01:Like, shit. You better watch what you say, bro. Because we uh yeah, we we winning without you. You can say just the way I say it changed the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like you said, it goes, it goes, it definitely goes both ways. But you know what I mean? Hey, I can guarantee you it's gonna come a time where you're gonna need to throw the ball. And you're gonna hope and wish that you got you got an AJ Brown somewhere. Um, but nonetheless, keep this moving. Uh NFC North, we got Detroit at 3-1, Green Bay at 2-1, Minnesota at 2-2, Bears at 2-2. Um, I don't think it's really too much to say there. Uh NFC South, Tampa Bay at 3-1, Atlanta at 2-2, Carolina 1-3, Saints 0-4. Again, I don't think it's too much to say there outside of just Baker Mayfield and Tampa Bay, just all these fourth-quarter comebacks. Like, I think all three of their wins were fourth-quarter comebacks. And they lost, they barely lost. Like, um, they've been playing really good. Um, they're gonna be a tough out uh in the playoffs later on this season, I believe. Uh in the NFC West, uh, you got San Francisco at 3-1, Seattle at 3-1, Rams at 3-1, and Arizona at 2-2. That's a tough division right now. Um, and right now we got a tough game going on. Is it still 20 to 13, 2014? So they still battling. Uh, even with all the injuries San Francisco's going through, they still uh leading the division right now. Uh undefeated in the conference. So, but but we'll see, man. Uh going into this week, man. Uh, we're gonna look at some some notable games, see if it's it's worth watching. Uh of course, tonight's game. Let's see, we get Philly, uh, Denver and Philly. That'd be a good game. Uh we'll say Baltimore and Houston, but both teams are struggling right now. Any other day, that would be a good game. Tampa Bay and Seattle.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That'll be a good game. Um Washington and the Chargers should be DC. And that's probably uh Kansas City and Jacksonville.
SPEAKER_01:Man, that motherfucking Bengals and Lions was supposed to be a banger.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's in a 420. That's in a 425 slot, too. That's probably game of the week.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And Atlanta, Chicago, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh all got to buy this week. So yeah, just not, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, boy.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of bad teams playing this week. Yeah. So uh, but that's all I got, man. Uh final thoughts, man.
SPEAKER_01:Any defunds. Oh man, I every fiber of my being, please defund the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cincinnati Reds. Please. Like, just give them the death sentence, please. Um You know what? If if somebody was to buy the Bengals and the Reds and move both teams, like you would not hear anything from me. I would not be a bit upset about it. Because at this point, they're causing me more grief than they're doing me happiness, and we can't have that. So like defunding.
SPEAKER_03:Would you still be a fan?
SPEAKER_01:I probably, yeah, I probably would still be a fan for sure. I'll probably still root for them, but like just it's almost like a like a relationship. Like, go like I want you to be happy for you.
SPEAKER_03:Like, you know, yeah, I want you to be happy somewhere else, even if it's not.
SPEAKER_01:Like, go go do, you know, be better. Because like I said, all like somebody buy them and you know, move them. You know, obviously, if some oh they just scored. Yeah, obviously, if somebody wanted to just buy them and make them better there, but like if it's best for the Bengals and the Reds to be bought and moved somewhere else, by all means, please go. Because I mean, it I I've seen enough. I've seen too much, so yeah, that's all I got though.
SPEAKER_03:Nah, um ain't got much, man. I mean, like the state of Indiana right now is winning, so I'm just gonna be cool. I'm gonna ride this way for as long as it as long as it goes at it. Yeah, man. I'm I'm gonna shut up when it's time to shut up. But you know, if if we start getting into some BS, man, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be talking again. Uh talking again. Right, but nah, man. This has been the epic podcast, man. We appreciate y'all hanging out with us, man. We will see y'all next week. If I can end the broadcast with my broke mouse. There we go.