E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
The Season Four Kickoff: Football, Basketball, and Friendship
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Speaker 3:Just the seven C's. I deal with life different. Make that limit, squeeze Went off with my style and identity Better, bounce back and get the cheddar cheese Better, bounce back. And Just the seven C's I deal with life different. Make that limit squeeze Went off on my style and identity Better, bounce back and get the cheddar cheese. I guess that's why the N be me Cut the crack, cut the crack. Somebody's playing in the background. Hey Red, yo, we are back. We are back Again. Season four this is the background. Hey man, yo, we are back. We are back again. Season four this is the fourth season. Episode one Epic podcast man, we're full house. Man, we got everybody back. Eva Ike is here. What's up, y'all, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up.
Speaker 3:How's y'all break being? How's y'all summers being, even though I've been talking to everybody all the time. What's been up, man? Start with you, justin. What's been up, man Work.
Speaker 4:Work, work, work, work, work. That's it, yep.
Speaker 3:Family doing good, everybody good.
Speaker 2:Can't complain. You know we all still above the ground, so can't complain, man that's the most important thing.
Speaker 3:What about you, ike man? You was gone for a minute. People ain't been seeing your face. You pop in, pop out. I still go.
Speaker 1:There's commitment issues.
Speaker 4:You know what? That's why I'm single. You're single is part time partner, part time man. You know, I'm navigating life the best way I can.
Speaker 3:It's the best way that's fair. And Jared, probably the person I see and talk to the most.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the person you work like a slave.
Speaker 4:No, I'm just kidding, whoa.
Speaker 3:He's referring to me moving. That's another reason why we're a week late on the podcast. Man, I was moving in a new spot. Oh, he made you help him.
Speaker 1:I asked him to tell him Nah, I offered, I wasn't going to leave my boy hanging. But I told him I was like look bro, I don't even move myself. I was like Justin came.
Speaker 3:Everybody was there, bro, I mean I technically helped the day before, so he was there the day before.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't even move my blood, brother bro, but I messed with you. So I was like, yeah, let me look out. So yeah, we got the job done. Though.
Speaker 3:Absolutely man. Everybody came out, man. So I appreciate all y'all. I'm going to say that live. I appreciate all y'all. I'm going to say that live. I appreciate all y'all helping, everybody looking out man. It would not have happened. And one day too, like literally in one day, we got 90% of everything moved. So shout out to all my friends who came out and helped. I didn't have to beg, nobody didn't have to plead. I literally sent out messages. People said I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. What day? What day? What day, what day? So I appreciate y'all looking out for me. Hopefully I return the favor. I'm a good enough friend for that, but nothing else.
Speaker 1:That's how it is man. Summer's been cool man, just holding down on my little business owner stuff, you know.
Speaker 3:How's that going? Yeah, we got a new plug. Man Plug it.
Speaker 1:JBASportsLockercom for all your card needs. Buy it and sell it. So get at me, jbasportslockercom. Yeah, just doing that, man, it's been cool. I mean you know it ain't been super fast, but you know I've done some sales, got some business Cards is a different industry. It's a different industry. It's a different industry. What you think is going to happen, the opposite happens. So you just got to find the right pathway, I guess. But owning a business ain't easy. I don't think nobody will tell you that it's easy. So nothing is easy. Anything worth having is worth working hard for. So it is what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can attest to that man. I mean Doing Funko Pops and stuff like that, selling on Etsy and stuff like that, like oh, no man, it's not for the weak boy, it's certainly not.
Speaker 4:If you really want to do it right, yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be doing right after I get off here, with y'all just going back to posting and pricing and you know, just trying to figure out some different ways to make a shake.
Speaker 4:I mean, I got my card to me right here.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 3:I got like six packs of cards around here somewhere. I keep one in my car Like I got cards everywhere.
Speaker 1:We've been looking out for sure I appreciate everything.
Speaker 3:Appreciate it. Yeah, man. Well, let's get into it, man, I'm going to hold it to people. Ike, you want to comment, man?
Speaker 4:Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Hold down the comments. It's hard. It's hard, man. At least somebody special, just do that, captain McMillan. What's up All?
Speaker 4:right man.
Speaker 3:We're going to start with a little NBA news, just real quick. New faces in new places. I'm interested in knowing what y'all think about the impact that some of these players are going to have off the bat. So, like Kevin Durant with the Rockets, what do y'all think his impact would be, with them being like what the number two seed last year? How do y'all think that affects them versus what they lost?
Speaker 1:I honestly don't know, man. I mean we thought the impact was going to be big with the Suns. I just don't know, man. I mean we thought the impact was going to be big with the Suns. I just don't know. I don't really know. I mean, of course KD is going to come in and get his, but the NBA is just I don't know. It's just no real way to call it.
Speaker 1:I mean, you figure, you look at the Thunder team last year. To me they're still not a real talented team, but they ran through everybody. I ain't going to say ran through, because I mean they had a couple game sevens on the way to the championship, but the regular season they ran through everybody and they just I still don't see the talent. So I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I think it's more about being cohesive as a team as opposed to who you have. I, being cohesive as a team as opposed to who you have. I think the impact of stars is like lessening and lessening. Unless you just have an overkill of them, one or two ain't going to cut it. It's almost like you need young guys, you need hungry guys, you need a coach that's under the radar. You just need the perfect formula.
Speaker 3:And I think over the years, lesser and lesser of that is top notch notch players, if that makes any sense. No, absolutely. I kind of agree with that too, like I mean you don't see, it's a, it's a young league. Right now it's a young, young league. So a lot of the og superstars like are not having the same type of impacts on these teams right um, it's a lot of young emerging stars.
Speaker 3:So I think that next wave of the SGAs and the Yokiches and all those guys that's coming up, you're starting to see their impact being more than the LeBrons, the KDs. Where they go, you know. Even you want to throw out a Bradley Beal, a Dane.
Speaker 1:It's becoming more of a team. A team I don't want to say a team game, because it's always been a team game, but I feel like the better teams are more team oriented, as opposed to how it used to be. You don't just top load it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Speaking of the Thunder, J-Dub got 285 this summer. That overpay or he deserve it.
Speaker 3:It's hard to tell now, because I remember we had the conversation about Halliburton and at that time we was like, okay, you know, you were saying he was overpaid. I'm like, well, if he's down this trajectory, like is he really? And you know, getting to the finals. Finals, it's like now it's like well, did we overpay for him, like he was that piece, that kind of glued that team together and got him to that next level.
Speaker 1:But then you look at somebody crazy performances from the role players was the reason I mean, but I mean I mean it could have been at Lee Smith hit ninety five threes in the fourth quarter. But sometimes.
Speaker 3:But sometimes that happens. But he also hit a game winner in every series. You know what I mean. So it's kind of like you know that type of impact. But then you look at somebody else who got paid that same year like a lamella ball, who you still looking at Charlotte like what's going on? You know what I mean. Are they up and coming? Is he really pushing them to the next level? Who would you consider overpaid at that point when they got the contract? No, I'm just saying you probably would have said Halliburton at that point. But now, if you look at it now, you know two years later, you're definitely looking at LaMelo as moreplayer.
Speaker 1:Somebody could argue that LaMelo Ball is a better basketball player like one-on-one, but I mean, that's neither here nor there. I think they're both overpaid, but one did nothing. One went to the finals. So I mean I guess you got to give it to homeboy there.
Speaker 4:But I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Like, I don't think me and anybody is going to come to a consensus as far as do. I think they're overpaid. I think everybody's overpaid. I mean, that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3:Speaking of overpaid, what about Desmond Bain in Orlando? How much did he get paid? I?
Speaker 4:can tell you why are you looking that up? I guess some of the, whether they're overpaid or not, lamelo, like Charles, is obviously not trying to be good. It doesn't seem like it anyway, but LaMelo is putting people on the stands I think a lot of his pay is based off of. People are coming to the game specifically to see LaMelo with Halliburton. People are coming to the game specifically to see the with Halliburton. I mean, people are coming to the game specifically to see Halliburton 200 and 7, by the way, Five-year 207.
Speaker 3:Desmond Bain.
Speaker 4:Yes, I mean I guess it'll help them. I mean they were a playoff team last year. It'll be a pretty good compliment to Palo help them. I mean, they were a playoff team last year. He'll be a pretty good capital to follow, I think. I mean, I guess the money's there. I think some of these people get paid because the money's there as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're just getting paid, just because there's no way that you think that he's going to add $207 million of value to your franchise. There's no way. Nobody believes that.
Speaker 2:I don't think Orlando paid him that I think he got that.
Speaker 3:No, he got that with Memphis.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they didn't pay him that, they just traded him. Memphis won that trade.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because that got him off the books. But I mean they should have got Jaron Jackson off the books either, because he ain't worth a quarter.
Speaker 3:What about Cameron Johnson with Denver? You think he matters, especially with the loss of Michael Porter Jr?
Speaker 1:Cameron Johnson. Is that the dude that was in Phoenix?
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep man, he with Denver now.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yep, I mean that's nice. I mean I don't really think you gain anything over Michael Porter Jr. I think his face is probably better because Michael Porter Jr has been wild in the summer. I don't know if y'all have been tapped in to some of the things he's been saying. I just saw some stuff. He's been going crazy. I don't know if he's slowly kind of. I mean he had a lot going on His brother's in prison. The other brother probably is headed to prison. You know what I'm saying. The one that's already there killed somebody. It's been a lot going on in their family, maybe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that Porter family is different.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he's been wilding this summer. He's been saying the most out-of-pocket shit you can I'm like okay. So I think Cam Johnson definitely might be in a better head space for the Nuggets.
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't even think Cameron Johnson talks so Fair enough. More available as well. I don't think he's had an injury history. I mean by the point of view it seems that they're still going to have a season every season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair yeah. I don't think Cameron Johnson has had any significant injuries. I was thinking Mikael Bridges for one second. I know he ain't missed a game, I don't think his whole career. But yeah, I don't think Cameron Johnson has had any serious injuries. So I mean, yeah, I don't feel like they lost anything by replacement. They might have just lost a head case, if anything.
Speaker 3:Man dodged a bullet. Yeah, what about Mike Brown in New York?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a disaster. That's an absolute disaster. I mean, that's worse than worst-case scenario for them. I mean he's a terrible coach. You fire a decent coach, I mean at least a coach that has some kind of identity. Mike Brown has no identity. He's rarely succeeded. He's just not a good coach like I. I didn't see him anywhere on the list when I seen that they had got rid of old boy, like I didn't think that mike brown was anywhere. I think they they literally failed. I think they would really rather hire buddy back than mike brown for real. But the only thing that was preventing them from doing that is like they't fire a guy in regard to him, that was an absolute worst case scenario.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't see how you go backwards. You want to go backwards. You just had the best season you've ever had in 25 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just hired no go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, I just I think Tibbs is a great coach, so therefore you ain't going to get me to say I think it's bad, especially considering Mike Brown. The last time he was in the NBA if I ain't mistaken, he got fired after winning like 52 games with the Knicks.
Speaker 1:He's been fired, everywhere he's been.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is it's not like he got fired because he was bad.
Speaker 1:I mean, they won 50-plus games with the Knicks if I ain't mistaken, last time he coached no, he was with the Kings. But then this past season he started off the season and they just weren't anywhere near with the same roster. So that's why they got rid of him this year. But yeah, last year he was cooking, but this year just wasn't. And then I think there was some rumblings that he had gotten into with De'Aaron Fox. The Kings are just a pirate franchise, I mean, because how do you get rid of your coach because he has an issue with a player and then you end up getting rid of the player Now?
Speaker 4:you have nothing.
Speaker 1:And then you managed to trade him to San Antonio, but didn't get homeboy Stephen Castle in that deal.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You didn't really anything you needed.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm thinking about, Mike Woodson. Oh okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, really anything you needed. That's what I'm thinking about. Mike Woodson oh okay, okay Woodson, okay yeah. What about DeAndre Ayton with the Lakers? I've been hearing like mixed reviews about that.
Speaker 1:We'll see, bro, it could be good, it could be bad. I'm honestly sick of the Lakers. My guy is still there he's still holding on. Obviously I want to see him win, but I'm just I don't know, I don't really have. I mean because I feel like everybody that goes to team up with the bronze is under underachieves. So it wouldn't surprise me if he had seven, if he averaged seven points and seven rebounds this year. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1:That makes sense and then it's like it gets to a point where, like like last year, they just decided they weren't going to play the only big that they had. Just like, when you're making decisions like that as a franchise, it's just like it's not even really worth us even talking about, you know, because I mean it's like they were a Rudy Gobert 30 and 30 game away from being competitive in that series, but you just refuse to play a center and all you needed and you have LeBron and Lucas. So only thing you got you got playmaking, you got scoring, you got assist only thing you need is blocks and rebounds yeah, you just need you refuse to play the only person that can get you blocks and rebounds on your team.
Speaker 1:So it's just like. What are we even talking about? Why even waste me time talking about?
Speaker 3:it. I agree with that. Speaking of blocks and rebounds, or lack thereof, miles Turner with Milwaukee man.
Speaker 1:They're cooked.
Speaker 3:I don't know what they doing. Like. What are they doing in Milwaukee? That team is ass Like why you just cut Dane, I mean While he's injured Granted, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 4:But they cut Dane to get Miles Turner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean Tomato, tomato.
Speaker 4:That team's cooked while he's injured granted whatever yeah but, they got named to Miles Turner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Whatever Tomato tomato.
Speaker 3:And then you, I mean Brooke Lopez is just, and Miles Turner is. I think Brooke Lopez is gone, all right yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They're practically the same.
Speaker 3:So like I don't. And then Miles Turner leaving. Like you've been somewhere 10 years, like you're just coming off a finals run. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:They need some guards. They brought in Cole Anthony. I need some guards. I don't know what the Bucks are doing, but they're cute. The East is wide open this year.
Speaker 3:Porzingis in Atlanta. Does that make a difference down there, with them being you know?
Speaker 1:A pointy old 8-9 seed. He's going to miss half the season. He got to play.
Speaker 4:That's true too.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be enough. They did get an old boy from the Timberwolves though, shea Gildress' cousin, okay. I mean that's not going to move the needle either no, no, no.
Speaker 3:But I mean he's a defender.
Speaker 4:They don't play no defense. That's what.
Speaker 3:I'm about to say At least he's a defender. I mean, they definitely need that. Yeah, does Cooper Flagg make a splash?
Speaker 1:If that team stays healthy, that's my pick. I mean, if some kind of way Kyrie can come back this year, which I doubt it, but him, Klay Cooper, ad Gafford, all them guys, that team can be nice, yeah, again it's just a bunch of guys. I just don't I don't see it.
Speaker 3:I got a couple others, but they don't really matter. Norman Powell with Miami, jalen Green with Phoenix Probably Jalen Green, but I mean again Phoenix been underachieving For a minute yeah, that's what I'm saying, like they've been underachieving For a minute. Bradley Bill with the Clippers underachieving for a minute yeah, that's what I'm saying, they've been underachieving for a minute. Bradley Bill with the Clippers Again another person who's just been underachieving getting paid. Him and Ben Simmons have just been stealing money from the NBA religiously, year in and year out.
Speaker 1:I don't know about.
Speaker 2:Bradley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was getting ready to say that.
Speaker 4:He didn't have Washington on his back for at least.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about well, since he's left.
Speaker 1:I just think the situation just wasn't right, man. It's just like that part. That part he didn't have a spot on the Suns. I mean Bounty Bill got bad at basketball.
Speaker 2:The Suns never concentrated for me.
Speaker 1:I mean you got two crazy high-volume shooters Great shooters, I ain't trying to say high-volume is in. They be bricking Top-of-the-line shooters, two of the best shooters in the game. You don't have a point guard. I mean, like what? I don't know what?
Speaker 4:There's one basketball, yeah, facts.
Speaker 3:He averaged 17 last year.
Speaker 1:Right, and I mean that's not that bad, but it just didn't fit. Yeah, it just didn't fit.
Speaker 3:I mean, but then going to the Clippers again, I mean he's getting traded ain't he, wasn't it a trade?
Speaker 2:No, he got cut he got cut from the sign. And they signed him.
Speaker 1:He's got a nice roster. If this was like five years ago, they'd be crazy, because I mean they brought in Chris Paul, so they got Chris Paul. I mean they brought in Chris Paul, so they got Chris Paul. James Harden, bradley Beal, kawhi Leonard, brooke Lopez, they brought in. I think I want to say they brought in a couple other guys too. They still got Zubat. Yeah, they do have the oldest team in the history of the NBA, though that's what I'm saying, like everybody, there is kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3:Like Chris Paul won't be healthy playoff time. James Harden is going to let you down in one or two series. Hey, easy on my boy, I'm just being honest. Kawhi Leonard may not be around. He's either going to get one playoff or the regular season.
Speaker 1:Bradley.
Speaker 3:Bill may be the key to carrying them at least through the season or the playoffs.
Speaker 4:I mean Norman Powell, was you know? So I mean he's essentially there to replace Norman Powell, offensively at least, because you know that KD is going to miss games. He can be a better fit there.
Speaker 1:The Clippers brought in John Collins too, and they got Bogey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean again, the Clippers always tend to look good on paper. They always bring in the guys Patty Mills. It's just something that happens and it just doesn't work. They got some niggas on that team. They probably have the best roster in the NBA. If you're just looking at talent, yeah, scoring Like they have everything, but it seems like they tend to have everything and it just never comes together for some reason.
Speaker 1:Starting lineup probably Zubach. Okay, john Collins, chris Paul, james Harden and Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, with Bill coming in off the bench going crazy, they can stay healthy.
Speaker 3:And that's just the biggest if and I guess you bring Bradley Bill in just to because you know somebody's going to miss, chris Paul is going to miss or Kawhi is going to miss One of them two are going to be hurt at some point, so I mean you can bring him in and move James Harden around but I just don't understand this salary.
Speaker 1:Like they got Kawhi making 50 million, they got James Harden making 39. John Collins making 27.
Speaker 3:They got Bogey at 16. Is he making 53 or did the Suns?
Speaker 1:eat that when they cut him. That's just what ESPN says. I don't know, I thought he got bought out. That's what I thought too. But it's just like how do certain teams just get to spend bread and other teams just don't? That blows my mind.
Speaker 4:No show endorsements, man. That blows my mind. Y'all forgetting no show endorsements.
Speaker 1:Man, hey, hey yo, I think that's going to stick. I think that's going to stick. I'm not surprised, this is just what be happening and I don't know. I want to say I mentioned that on the episode before I felt like I didn't understand why teams didn't do that. Either I didn't understand why they didn't do that or that team should. I definitely had that thought before for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, well, moving right along, man Quick on the WNBA man. They got the playoffs coming up. Got a couple teams fighting Battle for eighth between, I believe, the Seattle Storm and.
Speaker 3:Los Angeles Sparks right now. Everybody else is either in or have been eliminated. So that's the Mystics, the Suns, Sky and Dallas all eliminated and, like I said, you got them two fighting for eighth and I think that the Fever can jump to sixth if they win against Washington tonight, which I think they're up like they jumped out to like a 16-point lead in the first quarter. So keep an eye on WNBA, see how that goes.
Speaker 1:Man, we might not be seeing WNBA for a minute because I feel like that strike is coming. I don't know if they're being properly advised, because I think what was they like quadrupling the? They offered to quadruple the salaries or double them or something, but I know that they were going to get up to like a million dollars certain players and they denied it. I don't know, that's kind of shaky because it's like you.
Speaker 3:Just if you look at the numbers, the league just hasn't been profitable. So it's hard to ask for more when it's not profitable.
Speaker 1:I don't understand that either, though.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:What do we mean? That it hasn't been profitable?
Speaker 3:I think it's just the league as a whole like hasn't made a lot of money to increase salaries, how the NFL creates salaries, nba salary, the collective bargaining agreement I don't think there's a lot of money in there to where it can be dished out to teams, to where they can be making million dollar players With that TV deal.
Speaker 1:where's the money going? I know they're not renting the arenas. What is the money being spent? They're bringing in something clearly. Where's the money going?
Speaker 3:I'll have to dive deep into that and try to see if we can figure that out, because it seems like it's more popular now than ever. I feel like this has just happened over the past three years.
Speaker 1:Tickets are still selling. Like I said, they got TV deals. Now Jerseys are selling Like yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't get it and I think that's probably why they're holding their ground, because they're like, hey look, we know that there's more money coming in, and maybe I don't want to say it's a mishandle of funds, but you got these players out here and you know they're starting little side leagues and things of that nature. So you got to be careful, like I said, especially going on strike, because nobody gets paid when you go on strike. So I don't think that's.
Speaker 1:They making more money. Andries making more money on TikTok probably than she making in the league.
Speaker 3:So, that's even a factor in it and even overseas, like the whole Brittany Griner situation that's just because she's going to play overseas Like girls go and play overseas and you know what I mean Can have situations and get paid more money just to supplement the income. It's like I make more than a WNBA player a year. Like that's crazy. I don't think I deserve it. That makes sense when you're looking at what we do. Nonetheless, a little college football man. We're just going to go through the rankings real quick on college football Right now top 12. I guess if the playoffs started today, you got Ohio State, penn State, lsu, oregon, georgia, texas, notre Dame. Even though they're 0-1, somehow they're still at 8. Illinois, florida State, south Carolina and Clemson.
Speaker 1:Notre Dame lost a tough road game to another ranked team, that's why they still that would be like saying Texas shouldn't be ranked after losing to us.
Speaker 3:I mean they're one-on-one, but I mean they started off.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about like right after they lost to us, they were one-on-one and still were top five, yeah, and then they beat San Jose State. So I know their ranking currently doesn't have anything to do with that. It's just they lost a tough game and I feel like that's what Notre Dame, but they do seem to get all the optimism.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1:I'm still looking through stuff, trying to figure out what made people think that Penn State's the second-ranked team in the country. I've got nothing.
Speaker 3:Bro, and we talked about that, like over the offseason and whatnot, like how Penn State just gets a huge benefit of that, and again I can't point to where they did Like some of their best years are average they was ranked over us.
Speaker 1:I'm like, I mean, I know the rankings don't mean anything, but it's like what went into that, like what thought process went into making them number two. And even their film, I mean Even your quarterback.
Speaker 2:Say what their quarterback is better than your quarterback.
Speaker 1:He's ass Dude, alex hear me.
Speaker 2:That's the answer. You're coming off of what he did last year and you guys are coming in with a guy who hasn't done anything. That's why they were ranked higher.
Speaker 1:What? So you're serious. You're serious right now, do you not think you can? You feel that way Because if you've watched Penn State football, drew Auer is not a good quarterback and Julian Sane was the number one Overall. So that can't be a reason. I mean, that even makes me Not understand. So he played at College Down. What now?
Speaker 2:Julian Sane he played last year, nah, so he never played at College Down right Right. Say what now? Julian Sayon? He played last year, nah, so he never played at College Down right.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, drew Aller played last year right and finished strong in the playoffs, and he's ass.
Speaker 1:Have you watched?
Speaker 3:that I think what they're saying is it's just unproven.
Speaker 1:There's a ton of quarterbacks that played last year. What are you talking about? There's a ton of quarterbacks that played last year. What are you talking about? There's a ton of quarterbacks that played last year.
Speaker 2:That don't mean they should be number two. It's not what I never mind.
Speaker 1:Go ahead yeah you literally are saying that he played last year, so they should be ranked number two. That's not what I said, but you're hearing what you said.
Speaker 2:That's literally what you said that is actually not what I said.
Speaker 3:But I'm not going to argue with you. You can listen to it again. That's not what I said. I think what he's saying is that y'all quarterback doesn't have.
Speaker 1:It's not about us.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about Penn.
Speaker 1:State. This ain't even about Penn State.
Speaker 3:But you're saying why they were ranked where they were ranked? Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if you're talking about, we're saying y'all, because y'all won a national championship last you may not be talking about y'all, but your question said you don't see how penn state is ranked higher than ohio state. That's anybody.
Speaker 3:I said number two first right, but but if they, we're just saying why they started out higher than everybody but one team. Right then, that was just an example but what there's, what he's saying's saying, is they started off above y'all because y'all had an unproven quarterback.
Speaker 1:What about the rest of the country? Though that's just one team, I'm talking about Ohio State.
Speaker 3:But out of the top-ranked teams, how many of them have returning QBs and also made it as far as Penn State made it in the playoffs?
Speaker 1:Miami had a quarterback Did they?
Speaker 3:quarterback return. His quarterback is gone. None of the quarterbacks are there.
Speaker 1:But the quarterback that they have played and he's played at a higher level he's better than Drew Allard.
Speaker 2:According to you, but he sucked last year at Georgia. That's it.
Speaker 3:That's it. But didn't he win at Georgia?
Speaker 2:It's not about his career. Like bro, come on man. You're not that foolish. You know they look at what's the last thing you've done, man bro, like this is a stupid conversation.
Speaker 1:So basically you're supporting Penn State being number two. How do you care less who's?
Speaker 3:right? No, we're just saying why?
Speaker 1:Why are you so hell-bent on arguing me down about something that you don't care about, when I do care about it and I watch the games and I'm telling you what's happening?
Speaker 2:Yep, you right you got it.
Speaker 1:Did you see that they barely beat what they struggled with?
Speaker 2:I've watched how they football. I've seen it. I have not said Drew was all that? All I did was made a comment and I said my opinion.
Speaker 1:I am saying that he's trash. You made a comment and I said my opinion. I am saying that he's trash. Y'all got it. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm not saying that I am, but we were talking about the rankings. I don't think we were talking about him individually. We were just saying why they started off, ranked above y'all.
Speaker 1:That's the only reason why it ain't about us why they were ranked number two is my question, Because I mean, I think I'm being attacked Like what the hell is happening. You're not being attacked, I am absolutely. My guy ain't said 10 words. But then I say Penn State should have been ranked number two. And then it goes crazy, like what are we talking about? What are we doing here? They fucking suck Like I ain't been saying. Everybody is saying the same thing. Everybody is saying the same thing.
Speaker 2:And I could care less about the WNBA. We're talking about the NBA. Nba is nowhere close to start. I'd care less. That's why I didn't say anything during those. The only reason why I made a comment there is because you said well, I wonder why that I said. In my opinion, that's probably why Penn State was ranked higher than those like Ohio State was because of how Drew played at the end of the year. I didn't say Drew was this or that. I gave him an opinion.
Speaker 3:That's fine. But at the end of the year he was.
Speaker 1:He played good at the end of the year.
Speaker 2:The national media talked about how well he played. I'll be honest If you watch the game you can't say he sucked in the games. He actually was decent in those games.
Speaker 1:Drew Allard is not a good quarterback, bro.
Speaker 3:Drew Aller is not a good quarterback bro, but that's just how you're saying overall. We're just saying why the ranking is the way the ranking is.
Speaker 1:But your personal opinion of him is cool. We'll say this and we can move on. So basically, in your guys' opinions, penn State should be ranked number two out of all the teams in the country. I'm not saying that, no no, no, just answer that question and we can move on. Just to make sure I understand, yeah.
Speaker 3:No, I've already said that. I just think Penn State gets a lot of credit.
Speaker 1:We actually talked about this. I'm actually kind of confused, but I understand.
Speaker 3:We talked about this off and you were in a fully agreeance Now, all of a sudden no, and I'm saying I'm going to say exactly what I said. I agree that they shouldn't be number two, but I see why they.
Speaker 1:I know, but you didn't even bring that up when we spoke off the record. Now, all of a sudden you understand, like all right, let's move on.
Speaker 3:We already said. We said Penn State they mediocre and for some reason they always ranked in the top.
Speaker 1:They always get the benefit of the doubt. Apparently, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Now.
Speaker 3:The tone has definitely changed, they're still getting the benefit of the doubt. But if you're talking about why they were ranked, I can understand what Justin is saying too, why they're ranked number one over OSU, when you bring up the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1:We had an entire conversation about that. We didn't talk about quarterbacks.
Speaker 3:We were just talking about Penn State and J-Dub.
Speaker 1:We talked about the team Right the team right, but we've neither one of us understood that. But now, all of a sudden, and I still don't.
Speaker 3:I still don't get it. But all right, if you put it like that and we're just talking about those two teams, I'd get that part of it. But pittsday gets a lot of benefit of the doubt and I don't understand why.
Speaker 1:Still you do understand why because they have a returning quarterback well, when you look at you and origin and if you look, at the rest of the teams.
Speaker 3:yeah, that's the only thing you could say. So Justin makes a point that I didn't make when me and you had a personal conversation about it. That's the only thing I could point out. So, with him saying that, that's the only thing I could point out, no other team in the country had a returning quarterback. Starters not in the top 12. Okay, and quarterback Starters not in the top, not this top 12. Okay, not that I see they made it to the playoffs or played better than Penn State did.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and all these extra, like teams don't have different quarterbacks every year.
Speaker 3:They do, they do.
Speaker 1:And teams get all right Woo.
Speaker 4:Okay, it's all right.
Speaker 1:This is a good first, good way to kick off the season Absolutely Entertaining. I love it what we got, okay we gonna.
Speaker 3:Let's go and get this out the way. Then let's talk about the NFL man. So I want to start off Talking about Carter's ejection man Him spitting On what's your color. I know how y'all feel about it, but I still want to start off talking about Carter's ejection man Him spitting on what's your color. I know how y'all feel about it, but I still want to hear it. I'm going to start with you, ike, how you feel I mean spitting on.
Speaker 4:You don't spit on no man bro. You don't spit on no man bro.
Speaker 3:Was it worth a fine of $60,000? That justified.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm sorry, man, you don't spit on my butt. There are so many other things he could have done. And I mean he plays a position in which he could have directly got at that. I mean, see, I saw it was just a video of Dak, I guess, spinning towards the ground in his area. He felt like he was spinning at him. All right, cool. I mean I don't even care about the fighting If you want to get rowdy, cool, but first off, you spit on me.
Speaker 4:Now game's over. If I'm Dak, game's over. We're not playing football, no more today. It's a wrap man, you got to go at it At the. It's a wrap man, you got to go at it. At the end of the day, you're never gonna spit on me. But if, also, if I play a position in which I can directly get at you, and you know, I mean they still want a game. Of course they want a game without him, but I think that they look vastly different, you know, without him in there, um, but that could have been a huge motivator to you know, attacking the quarterback, and I mean maybe you get a late hit to the ear and ear, just letting them know like, hey, man, I don't appreciate that, but no you don't spit at nobody, bro, at least where I'm from, where I grew up, that's one of them things that, if you do it if you do it, be prepared for problems.
Speaker 1:I agree. Yeah, I think Dak showed a tremendous amount of self-control by not smacking the shit out of old boy. Granted, I don't think he would have won that fight, but I do think that he would have been fully in the right to try to knock his head off.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And it's like you asked the question is that worth 60? Man, bro, should have been arrested. What are we doing, bro?
Speaker 4:You can't spit in the street.
Speaker 1:That's assault. You do that shit in the streets. You're going to jail Period, point blank. I don't know what went in the 60s.
Speaker 3:I don't think if you spit on somebody in real life or in the streets, I should say that you're going to get a chance to go to jail, because whoever that person is, chances are is gone. Valid point.
Speaker 1:They're going to return the favor almost immediately. That might give the authorities. You know what I'm saying. If y'all end up squabbling, that might give the authorities some time to respond. But no, that's valid.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, yeah, we're going to squabble and whatever comes after that is going to come. I don't care. Niners win. I put with a third stringer because he made that play on the last drive, but late TD catch. But Kittle goes on IR. What do you think about the Niners week one, though? Any concerns?
Speaker 4:I mean there's always concerns when there's injuries. I mean, obviously I watched the entire game. Kittle's injury was not the only one. I mean Purdy is technically injured, but he's playing next week right as of right now We'll see.
Speaker 4:I mean Warner went out for, I think, a series. Who else went out? I think Troy Williams went out for, I think, two series, maybe a series and a half two series. Now both of them came back and looked fine. What's crazy is the person that everybody was concerned with coming into the game because he pulled himself out of practice a couple days ago, looked immaculate. He had no problems CMC, he had any kind of injury or he had lost a step, like a lot of people were anticipating or hoping. I was concerned when it's injuries.
Speaker 4:I would say the positives to me. You know, watching the entire game is one. We won a game that last year we definitely would have lost. A close game. Division rival had to come down and score at the end. Now I will say the pass that Freddie threw. Todd just saved it because that pass should have been picked, but he thought that he had that pick and Todd just took the ball from him basically. So I mean he was saying but also we're not in that situation if Moody doesn't miss a field goal and we don't have a field goal block. So I mean now Moody's gone.
Speaker 3:I was about to say I think he's cut. I think they got rid of him. I heard that that night.
Speaker 4:No chances but nonetheless not having Ayub sit up there, not having Kittle for basically two quarters Purdy still look really good. I think I came here last year and told y'all that Pearsall was going to be the next number one. Pearsall looked amazing. We got to kind of figure out who else we're going to throw the ball to, because I knew that Kittle was going to be our next huge target in the offense. Cmc caught a ton of balls out the backfield. We're going to have to figure out.
Speaker 3:He had like nine catches for like 73 yards or something like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we got to figure out the Brian Robinson Jr. He didn't look terrible, but he also just didn't look like he was used to the offense, which I think he'll get better. I do like having him in because you can tell that he was there to spell CMC and he is somebody who can do that and still be effective. So I mean, there was a lot of good and there was a lot of bad, but ultimately we won it and you know that's what you play for. You play the way you play Okay.
Speaker 4:Who do you play next? New Orleans, new Orleans, okay, okay. If we need to play Mac Jones in any game, that's the one.
Speaker 3:That's the one, yeah.
Speaker 1:Mac Jones is your backup.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that, I didn't even it's crazy how they just get unlimited opportunities, bro yeah.
Speaker 3:Because this is like his third team already, right, yeah, but what else is there In four years?
Speaker 1:What else is there that we're looking to see what else needs to be.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what's the problem. I don't. Show the shrug to me, man, but somehow Not everything is easy to understand, bro. These QBs get to San Francisco and they just remember how to play quarterback again. Yeah, that's true, they go to you know, that's what I'm saying. So like, who knows, maybe he's the next one to just go there and figure out the QB position again, I guess, from an NFL level. Next question, I guess, is Jones the answer in Indy.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3:I wanted to hear y'all comments first before I said anything.
Speaker 4:I think that this weekend will be more telling.
Speaker 1:I feel like you should talk about your team before we give well no, I just.
Speaker 3:I mean, I just like hearing y'all feedback first. I mean I ask the questions. I like hearing y'all feedback first. No, but it's like, I ask the questions, I like hearing y'all feedback first. None of this, no, but it's like again, I think, the same way. It's too early, like I mean nobody has tape on you yet. Like you know what I mean You're in a new place, new offense, so granted, then you got. You know the whole Ursae, emotional part of it. Like okay, cool, but like how many of you like Ursae?
Speaker 1:No, they do like Ursae, don't they?
Speaker 3:They do, they do oh okay, but I was just making sure. But just, you know, like I've been telling people like look, holler me, week six, week seven, once you know teams done, got some tape on you. You know what I mean, figured out some tendencies and things of that nature. If you still balling like this, then alright, I won't say concede, but I'll be more comfortable with the situation. I'm glad we finally won a home opener, first one in five years. So I'm happy about that First opener y'all won in like ten.
Speaker 3:Is it ten? My bad, I thought it was five. Okay, I don't know if it's home I just thought it was an opener.
Speaker 4:What fact is it? Yeah, I didn't want an opener since Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3:Yep, nope, you're right, thanks, yep. So again, it's a bad team to press too, though If I'm impressed with anything more than anything else, that's the defense. The defense looked great, but again, against there was no Tyreek. I mean, they was getting hurt left and right, but the defense looked good. So I'm content right now, but, like I said, I need to see more and I need some consistency.
Speaker 4:So I like what y'all did.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying Look, I'm not angry about the win, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I'm not angry about the win, I'm looking to have Jarius Ward back.
Speaker 3:No man.
Speaker 4:Who was that who?
Speaker 3:back Jarius Ward. He was balling, he was balling. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Must be nice. Coach's defense is going to be straight, but the offense was not impressive. They just played a bad team. They couldn't run the ball either. They weren't able to run the ball. That's probably my biggest concern is, I don't think Daniel Jones is going to be as efficient as he was in that game against better defenses. But if you can't run the ball, that's just putting y'all in a bad space Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Especially against the Texans and teams like that in the AFC.
Speaker 2:Even the Titans. Yeah, the Titans too Absolutely. It was better than I thought. Yeah, a really good game.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Again no touch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, absolutely so. Again, I still don't think we're nobody's favorites in the South, and again, I just need to see more. I just need some consistency. That's all I need from the Colts is consistency. Now you got to beat the Jags, I hope, but again, how much problems do they always?
Speaker 2:give us. I was going to say that's the one team that always plays the Colts well, no matter how bad they are, no matter how bad they are and no matter how good we are. We always struggle, so like I wouldn't hang my hat on that, and they actually look better defensively this year a little bit so it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 3:No, I agree, Granted they played the Panthers.
Speaker 2:But True, but the Panthers looked good in them last year too. Yeah, which I picked, the Panthers, but True, but the Panthers looked good in them last year too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which I picked the Panthers to win because I was thinking about last year. They kind of started clicking.
Speaker 2:I'm like yep me and you both.
Speaker 3:I was like hmm, and then I was like man, they look like they looked at the beginning of last year, yep. So yeah, there go my optimism pick for the week.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no, I think I hit on my Chargers pick though.
Speaker 3:Man, man, I hate that. I was like let's just get this out the way. Who on this Chargers train again?
Speaker 1:I got one more year in me.
Speaker 4:I got faith in John Harbaugh.
Speaker 3:That's it. I got faith in Jim Harbaugh. Oh man.
Speaker 1:That's it. I got faith in Jim Harbaugh. Oh, john and Jim. We got to talk about the Lions and golf, though I didn't see golf stats, but the Lions definitely got their heads beating. Definitely got to talk about that.
Speaker 3:We can. We can talk about it now. I'm looking at his stats. He was 31-39 for 225 and a touchdown.
Speaker 1:And a pick yeah, they did.
Speaker 3:Well, I just glanced at it. They're not showing the pick right now, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm about to see what Jameer did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he got sacked four times, qbr 52.
Speaker 1:One touchdown they scored in garbage time too, because it was like when I seen it it was like 27-7 or some shit like that and it was like I want to say it was a little bit of time, like maybe four minutes. I mean if you're looking.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm about to say they were. Golf was under duress most of the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they scored with 327 left Belt to ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that game I mean, even though it was, you know, 27-13, like it was way worse. Like if you were watching the game, it looked way worse than the score indicated.
Speaker 1:That's wild.
Speaker 3:They cut to it and I was like damn, like the Lions. I don't know, Is it the Ben Johnson effect? But then you turn around and look at the Bears.
Speaker 4:Man, I'm so sick of bad football.
Speaker 3:Like the two teams you probably had the most optimism about in the NFC North, the Lions and the Bears start off with losses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry. Actually, in our little work thing I actually picked the Lions to finish last in their division this year.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, well.
Speaker 2:But you know, I've never believed in Jared Goff either. He's another one of the quarterbacks that I've always said if he's in a good scheme, then he can look like an NFL quarterback, but if he's not, he struggles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I said, I mean luckily for him. He has always been. I'm not against Jared Goff. I don't think he knows the time or the reason. A lot of times it's the Lions defense that always let them down.
Speaker 1:Jameer Gibbs had 10 catches for 31 yards.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bro, they was not playing with that boy. Yeah, it was on my fans' team.
Speaker 1:We still don't know. And then he had nine rushes for 19 yards. That's an ugly game. Hey, David Montgomery might have to watch out. Bro, Jameer Gibbs is too good to be splitting reps, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I think when you got those type of backs who can catch the ball at the backfield too, so like they get a lot of touches not only running the ball but catching the ball at the backfield, like a lot of touches not only running the ball but catching the ball at the backfield you need that other back to get him a break.
Speaker 1:He's too good to be actually splitting shit down the middle. I can see he has two backs going back and forth because obviously Jameer Gibbs ain't about to truck nobody in the hole, but to be splitting them. I don't know man.
Speaker 3:You look at McCaffrey in San Francisco with his workload like he gets a majority. But sometimes you got to give that guy a break and bring in somebody else.
Speaker 4:But half though I don't know. That might have been more situational. Just to see if they can get somebody else to support him.
Speaker 3:Get something else going, because apparently Gibbs couldn't get it going.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, they literally alternate possessions, Like they both said that. Like, yeah, they say that they go one possession, one possession, two possessions, two possessions. So no, they literally split by the time.
Speaker 2:I think they do that honestly. I don't think Jameer would do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it wasn't like just oh, this game, david Montgomery had 11 and Jameer had not. Like no, they literally split reps.
Speaker 2:I don't think Jameer makes it through an entire season if he has to be the bell cow and doesn't split. I think he's very effective because he's able to split carries and be fresh.
Speaker 2:It's the same thing I said about Tony Pollard in Dallas and backs like that. It's not that they're not good, I just don't think they're good as lead backs. I think they are great when they have somebody who can kind of wear down the defense and then what they specialize in, their speed and the looseness can take over. You know when defenses start to get tired and all that.
Speaker 2:So that's just me, I mean if you play Jameer in like two, three games, oh, he'll be fantastic as a lead back, I just think over the course of an entire season. I don't think he can hold up being as explosive as he is for the entire season.
Speaker 3:I can respect that, but we'd have to see that yeah because it was like 9 carries and like 11 carries, that game.
Speaker 1:I would say touches, because he had 10 grabs, I think that's 19 touches.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's 19 touches. That's a workload.
Speaker 2:What else do you want?
Speaker 3:from me.
Speaker 1:We're not talking about just this game fella.
Speaker 3:No, you're just talking about it. I hear what you're saying, like just overall, but like I think if he's not splitting those carries, like let's just say he's getting, say you're giving him what, 30 rushes and still expecting him to catch maybe anywhere between seven to nine balls you know what I mean like out the backfield, like that's a lot for a running back Nowadays anyway. So I mean I know, if it was me, I would welcome it. You know, just give me one or two plays off. You know what I'm saying. And nowadays it's cheaper to have two, because if you get one and they get super productive, then you got to pay them and we all know how that go.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like if you do have a breakout season, like being that bell cow, like, then you know you ain't going to get paid. So I would split it just to keep my body fresh enough to play more, for the possibility to make more money. Because once you get hurt, then I mean as a running back anyway, they quick to draft one and bring somebody else in. So JJ Battles back man Me and Jerry was watching this game together and he was talking about the card market and how they were just bombing on McCarty like hey, it's over, sell us cards, get rid of me done. And it did. It was like I don't know what happened. They drunk some of that special sauce At halftime and came out and he like a whole Different quarterback Bears Okay, at halftime and came out and he's like a whole different quarterback.
Speaker 3:Bears Okay, that too, but I mean you look at the Bears' defense, which has been very was good last year, yeah, but don't forget they had a couple people out on that defense too, so that matters.
Speaker 2:Like Jalen Johns, yeah, eddie Jair played, he could be wrong. So, like I mean, and they got, if I ain't mistaken, I think they got a new defensive coordinator too, this year too, if I ain't mistaken. So I think, yeah, I wouldn't say JJ was spectacular, but he did enough to win, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. I mean they gave up 21 in the fourth, like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I mean I say it's less about JJ and man. They got one of the best play callers in the NFL. Man, I mean they had coaches. He knows what he's doing when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3:And I think me and Jared was talking about that too. I'm like man it could be, it's just O'Connell man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, O'Connell knows what he's doing, man, he's a heck of a schemer on offense.
Speaker 3:He figured that out quick.
Speaker 4:That seemed to be the game plan. Hey, get the ball to Jefferson.
Speaker 3:Just throw it to him. Get the ball to who?
Speaker 4:Jefferson.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm with that. Ravens struggle against the Bills. Late man, Come on, Justin.
Speaker 2:What's up?
Speaker 3:What do you think about that man?
Speaker 2:It's kind of I mean.
Speaker 3:They wasn't comparing most of the game.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, baltimore usually is good in the regular season, so was it a little bit of a surprise to see them do that? Yeah, but at the same time, I mean it was a recipe bound to happen when you fumble, give them good field position, you know, like momentum switched at that stage of the game and then their offense all of a sudden couldn't gain any yards. So I mean it happened. It shouldn't have happened, I would say. I think they took their foot off the gas a little bit, with it being week one and then having the lead, and I think that kind of bit them in the butt and then they end up losing it. But I mean it's one week and they ain't going to make or break it. I mean I told you my concern, more so for them is the playoffs more than the regular season.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean, you kind of look at this type of game against them.
Speaker 2:No, I don't, you don't, no, I don't, you don't, no.
Speaker 3:These rosters can be completely different come playoff time, with injuries and everything, yeah, but I think the main things are the main things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:And if you got your main guys against their main guys.
Speaker 2:I mean this is kind of a better thing. How bad was Baltimore's defense for the entire first half of last year? It's terrible. So I mean, I don't think Baltimore's defense was terrible per se, but they started giving up a lot of plays that towards the end of last year they weren't doing. I mean, even think about even the playoff games against the Bills they weren't doing. So I mean, it happens, man. They got to adjust. But and at the end of the world, I don't put too much on a first-week game against anybody, to be honest with you. So it is what it is. I think, more than anything, the biggest part is probably the mental aspect. You've been lost to them twice now in a row. That's probably more than anything.
Speaker 3:It's just the mental aspect of it, and that's my point of it too it's the bills. If it was somebody else, then fine, okay, it's just a week, one game, whatever, whatever, but I think, with it being the Bills, and, like you said, this is the last team y'all played you know what I mean last year. You lost them also, and then the whole MVP thing.
Speaker 2:like I said, it's just like at some point Lamar got to to win that game.
Speaker 3:No, and I'm not just saying him, but I'm just saying but you said, lamar, I am saying him, but I mean because it falls on the quarterback. I mean, that's just how it looks.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't. Lamar wasn't out there to give up them 16 points at the end of the game, was he? No? If a team put up 40, it's kind of like the Bengals and whatnot. If your offense is averaging 35 points a game, I don't care what the quarterback did. That's enough points to win in a football game. So you got to start talking about the side of the ball. That ain't stopping nobody. So, yes, I mean, if you can, I'm more than happy to hear somebody tell me what Lamar should have done different. Lamar don't call the plays. Lamar don't catch the ball. Lamar don't run the ball. Lamar don't run the ball and he definitely don't play defense.
Speaker 3:But, lamar, in the fourth quarter you only got six points in the fourth quarter. Is that, lamar?
Speaker 2:Right, but did you watch that game?
Speaker 3:I did.
Speaker 2:Okay. So let me ask you this Was Lamar calling the plays or does he go based upon what the OC has called?
Speaker 3:I think he executes the plays.
Speaker 2:I said does he call the plays?
Speaker 3:Did you look at his throwing percentage in the fourth in that time frame?
Speaker 2:Look, it's six points from Lamar Jackson. It's not from Lamar, but I mean I'm not going to argue with you. I mean people can say that all you want, but I'm not a person that puts the wins and the losses on quarterbacks, so you can say whatever you want, but you're not going to change me with that.
Speaker 3:I just don't understand. I mean like him, being him. I mean I only score six in the fourth.
Speaker 2:I mean, granted their defense gave up 22 in the fourth Is 40 enough to win a game.
Speaker 3:It should be Okay Now when you're playing Buffalo.
Speaker 2:Then we ain't got nothing else to talk about.
Speaker 3:You think?
Speaker 4:Buffalo is going to score 41 points again this season.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess we'll address that again, if we see it again, touche.
Speaker 3:Last but not least, man Bengals, man, what's up? They defense kind of leads the way. They didn't play bad.
Speaker 1:You're not about to bait me into that bullshit.
Speaker 3:I'm not baiting you.
Speaker 1:We, and then like bro, we suck.
Speaker 3:Okay, but the defense played good. No, they didn't.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to point out the good things. No, they did not.
Speaker 3:How did they play good? Hey, they played better than they played last year. They probably gave up 50 last year, not necessarily.
Speaker 1:If the Cleveland Browns don't drop passes we're killed. We don't stop them if they don't drop passes. Both hands steps in the word drops. The turnover on downs was from two drops Wide open. First downs, they dropped both of them. No, I'm not giving no credit for that. Looked terrible. We netted two yards in the second half Like bro.
Speaker 1:No Terrible. Terrible game plan. Coaching, terrible Execution, terrible Defense is still god-awful. The Browns just luckily don't have it figured out and we were able to pull away with a win. But a win is not a win for me. I don't go by that because I want to see. I'd rather see a better performance and a loss than a shitty performance and a win. At least you've got something to build on if you lose the game. But you play well, like you have something to sit your head on. Like I want to see good football. If we play good football and we lose, I'm better with that than we playing god-awful in some kind of way squeaking out a win. Oh, and they missed a field goal and an extra point. We needed all of that to happen to beat the Browns by one Terrible. I'd have rather just lost the game and we actually played a full football game.
Speaker 2:Jared, I do got a question for you. So, as I was watching the game, what happened, like I don't know, know I felt like at times chase brown was being effective, like what happened there, like at times the offensive line was creating. You know what I'm saying, what?
Speaker 1:happened is.
Speaker 1:What happened is we don't, we don't keep teams off balance.
Speaker 1:So like if you, if you notice the last few possessions when we're trying to run out the clock, the bingles are a team where, if, if you know we're running, you're going to get us tackle for loss every time, we're not even going to make it to the line of scrimmage if you know we're, if you know for a fact that we're running, we don't have the balls to be like, okay, we're men, we're still going to try to get some yards. Like, if we're in a situation where we're just trying to run the clock out, like, say, you don't have no timeouts, we're trying to get the game over with we're not going to gain a yard, like a yard at all, because that's just the nature of the team, that's just the nature of the organization. So I think that hurt a lot of his, a lot of our running statistics. It's like I said, I think we gained close to 30 in the second half but lost damn near all of them. So it's just like yeah, I mean he was, he was getting up through there in the first half.
Speaker 4:He was.
Speaker 1:When we were playing a real football game he was doing well. But, like I said, we just our play calling just never is able to get the defense off balance. It's just like we have to punt one time and then we just throw the game plan out the window. Everything that's happened before that first punt just is out the window. Everything that was working good, we just switch it all up. Everything just changes Now when we score touchdowns. We're moving, things is happening, we're getting good runs, play calling is decent. It's never great, it's always at best decent. Everything is decent.
Speaker 1:But that first time we get a three and out, it just crashes. The play calling just gets horrible. We can't run the ball, we can't pass the ball, guys can't catch the ball. It's just, it's a shit show. And that's what happened. The first two drives granted, they were long drives and they were time consuming. As a mother, I think we only had two or three real possessions in the first half Scored a touchdown on the first two. After that, like I said, we had four assists, a punt one time.
Speaker 3:Icy. Yeah y'all, first possession, y'all scored.
Speaker 4:The second one was a punt and third one was a touchdown.
Speaker 3:I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 4:That's crazy. In the second quarter.
Speaker 3:In the first quarter it was 12 plays, 68 yards. I scored.
Speaker 1:Was the second one a three and out Nope.
Speaker 3:Second one was six plays for 19 yards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't recall that. I sat there and watched.
Speaker 3:Then the third one was eight plays for 54 yards and a touchdown. I definitely don't recall that Two plays at the end of the half, yeah.
Speaker 1:Whatever you got it, but yeah, that's how it usually happens.
Speaker 3:Yeah, damn, Like you said, last fourth quarter it was just turnover on downs and punts back and forth, and then a missed field goal. Yeah, I mean you the Bengals expert. So hey, if you say they're horrible, we'll see. Man, Hopefully they get better, Even though the offense will get better.
Speaker 1:They didn't touch nobody, except for the personal foul by the way, I just want to throw that in. You talking about him Didn't touch anybody. The entire game.
Speaker 3:Browns used to keep a decent O-line but, like you said, you got to do something, especially in a game like that where it's that close, you got to do something. Especially in a game like that where it's that close, you got to do something to impact the game. Like you said, he don't deserve the money because he don't impact these type of games. Nonetheless, man, that's all I got. Oh, pick'em Records, no Pick'em Records, pick'em, pick'em, pick'em Pick'em. So thanks, ike, for updating these Week one. I see you Week one.
Speaker 4:I'll send you an invoice.
Speaker 3:You say you've seen what. I'll send you an invoice. You've seen me in that voice.
Speaker 4:I'll send you an invoice.
Speaker 3:Oh, you'll send me an invoice.
Speaker 4:Okay, actually, I got your payment right here, you might already have it, though I'm definitely afraid of this, this you, I'm definitely afraid of this issue. I know it is it's still blurry, but I can make it out. You said what. I will accept it see.
Speaker 3:I be thinking about y'all, so 14-2. I don't remember what my pick was. I think my two losses definitely was the Carolina game, panthers and the Chiefs and the Chiefs yeah, those are my two losses. Jared at 10-6. Ike at 9-7. Justin at 7-9. Got $100 on the line. This year we're going to make it a little more interesting. I got to pick different this year.
Speaker 2:No Colts every week.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he used to go pick the Colts every week.
Speaker 3:I probably am going to pick the Colts every week. But my picks against the Texans and the Jags and the Titans got to be different too, Because usually I always pick against them also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I got to give them some games where it makes sense instead of just blindly picking against them.
Speaker 2:I will say this, though this was a very fluky week. There were like 11 games that came down to the last possession, so this was a very fluky, weird week in terms of how a lot of this stuff happened this week, it was crazy. I don't think I've seen as many games in the NFL that came down to like last possession type stuff, so it was crazy.
Speaker 3:Let's see the Niners game, the Bills game, the Bucks game Bengals. That was really close. The Raiders only won by one. The Bengals that was really close. The Raiders only won by one to the Cardinals. Yeah, dog, you nailed it. Steelers won by two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rams, and.
Speaker 3:Texans was 14-9. The Vikings and Bears 27-24.
Speaker 2:Cardinals. I know they barely beat the Saints.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, cardinals barely beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2:And then even the Cowboys against Philly.
Speaker 3:Yep, it was only like maybe three blowouts. The Commanders, the Coast Commanders, jaguars over Panthers. Yeah, jaguars, that's really it, that's it. I mean you can call the Panthers Lions, I mean that's two scores, but yeah, so no, it was a tough week versus what you thought you knew.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think I knew anything one week in the season, I just beat on darts Week.
Speaker 3:One is probably like the sketchiest pick in time ever, so I probably just got lucky. Like I said, I picked the Panthers. I just, like I said, picking against the Jaguars, Like so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was with you on that. Though I went and based the last time I saw the Panthers I was like, ah they might come into it with some momentum why you pick the Giants.
Speaker 3:You said what? What'd you say?
Speaker 4:Why you pick the Giants. Where was your mind at right there?
Speaker 2:You said why'd you pick the Giants? Where was your mind?
Speaker 3:at right there. Where was your mind at there?
Speaker 2:Why did I pick the Giants? Yeah Well, two reasons, two reasons One, because I figured everybody else was going to pick the Commanders. Y'all know I do this all the time, yeah. The second thing to be honest with you, I had a lot of questions about the commander's offensive line and I figured the Giants would try to blitz the mess out of Jaden that game, and it'd be something stupid like a 6-9 game or something dumb to start the season off, because, you know, usually offenses start off pretty slow anyway. So I was like, eh, we'll throw that one in there too, just as a swing pick for me. Yeah, it didn't swing. No, a lot of them didn't swing.
Speaker 3:I was going to say a lot.
Speaker 2:So again, that don't sway me, I'm going to still do what I do. Oh, I know.
Speaker 4:I feel like you pick a swing despite me 100%, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 3:I'm with you, Jared. I be thinking what is it? Maybe it was some beef. It was no beef. It's strictly from being on here. Have y'all met in person yet?
Speaker 2:Nah, we gonna make that happen.
Speaker 3:Okay, they haven't even met. Okay, I'm gonna go. I thought y'all went back further than Vern. No, this is strictly from being on the podcast. Wow, y'all went back further than.
Speaker 1:Vern no, this is strictly from being on the podcast, wow.
Speaker 3:Y'all went back. This is podcast beef.
Speaker 4:My hate is strong when I sit to another hater in the room. They just everybody. I changed the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like your, ike is the biggest hater I know. I'm sorry, hey man.
Speaker 4:That's how I get my powers. I feel about hate. I am Emperor Palpatine for sure.
Speaker 3:Oh man, it feels good to be back. All right man, I guess manpatine for sure. Oh man, it feels good to be back. All right man, I guess man. That's it. Man, that's all I got man for y'all this week.
Speaker 1:I got a final thought.
Speaker 3:Yes, absolutely. That's exactly what we're about to jump into.
Speaker 1:So Mr Drew Aller against SMU last year this is just the playoffs. Smu he went 13 for 22 for 127 yards, seven rushes for 10 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. Against Boise State 13 for 25, 171 yards. He had three touchdowns, no picks. Against Notre Dame went in the quarterfinal he went 12 for 23 uh, 435 yards, no touchdowns, one pick, six rushes, 17 yards. He threw for over 250 yards last season twice, twice, two times deuce. So far this season he has three touchdowns and zero picks. And he's played Little Sisters of the Poor and the School of the Blind. No, he's played Nevada and FIU and he's thrown for three touchdowns so far this season, 417 yards. He's trash. So I just wanted to end with that.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 3:All right, I mean.
Speaker 4:I got nothing.
Speaker 3:Anybody Go ahead?
Speaker 4:I got nothing. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought you said Go ahead. Any final thoughts?
Speaker 4:Nah man, I'm just maintaining. I'm not even here for real, I'm part time pilot man.
Speaker 3:No, man, you're here. You're here. I'm going to hassle you too Every week, make sure you're here. I'm going to hassle you too, every week, make sure you're here, I'm going to hassle you.
Speaker 2:So just know, it's coming just know that every episode that you don't show up, I'm going to be the 49ers expert just know that just know that
Speaker 3:let's see how strong y'all hate really is. We're going to hate you in the coming off.
Speaker 4:We're going to get stronger Just through your hate.
Speaker 3:Anything, justin.
Speaker 2:No, I'm good boss.
Speaker 3:Word Again. Man, I'm just happy we all back man. I don't know, man, we be getting to this point. We got a long season ahead of us. But I'm't know, man, we be getting to this point and just be like man. We got a long season ahead of us, but I'm excited for sports, man. This move and everything with the family has been a lot, but I am excited for sports. I can't wait to talk more sports with y'all next week, man, and week after week after week.
Speaker 1:Y'all remember how quick Ike used to hop.
Speaker 3:Man.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Y'all remember how quick Ike used to hop man, I didn't realize.
Speaker 4:Oh my god that's so funny, I didn't realize that. I just stood there one day and was like, oh, this is what they be doing.
Speaker 1:Bro, before I could blink After you said your outro he would be gone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably gonna start having that, but none of that Go ahead, Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I will tell y'all to tap in oh boxing. I'm going to tap in this weekend, what's that? Again Is that from. Netflix. Yellow On Netflix.
Speaker 1:That's this weekend. That's this weekend. I thought it was the 27th.
Speaker 3:No 13th oh man, okay, all right Dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:It seems like, yeah, because I'd be mad because I've seen the 27th all summer. That's crazy. I didn't hear nothing about Netflix either. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3:I did hear about it being on Netflix.
Speaker 2:I was surprised hopefully this shit don't crash that's the biggest issue I think is gonna be whether or not it crashes.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised that they would put such a big fight on Netflix after what they had the last time.
Speaker 4:It's a big risk yeah crash it like instantly, it's a big risk it's a big risk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crash it Like instantly it's a big risk. It's a big risk, but I'm assuming Netflix threw a lot of money to get it, because my understanding is, the rumor is Crawford's getting 50 mil for the fight and Canelo's getting somewhere around 150.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy when I put in Crawford, canelo, inember 27th, just populated in the thing like that's weird as shit, bro, that should be making me feel like I'm an idiot did you see that?
Speaker 2:did you see the actual date for it though?
Speaker 1:no, yeah, I'm seeing 13th now, but like 27 just populated even before the 13th, like before, before I even put it in. I'm like what's happening?
Speaker 3:Oh, as you was typing it in it just yeah, I'm like oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird, but shit.
Speaker 3:I guess I'm glad I didn't plan nothing this weekend. Man, that's, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1:I had no idea it was this weekend, but I'll be watching.
Speaker 2:Don't worry since it's maybe end up being the biggest fight of the year, they probably won't even do ring introductions until midnight, unfortunately.
Speaker 3:That's what I was thinking too. It's probably going to be super late. They probably won't fight until 1.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest, these fights I actually don't like because they draw them out so long and it's so late when they finally start to fight.
Speaker 1:Then it's like man, how to fucking fight on the East Coast once in a while. I mean they do sometimes, but damn no most times it's.
Speaker 3:Vegas Dubai like all these random. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'd say nine out of ten times. It's in Vegas, damn near, it seems like, but I know like Tank will fight East Coast, but shit, it should still be late as hell, so I don't really think it matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of them. The only production that I've seen outside of, like when they put it in Saudi or something, that actually the fights don't be crazy late, and that'd be ESPN. I give them credit, like usually they little cards that they be having. Usually the main event start about 10. Yep, so you can, I mean it ain't crazy late. Uses and maintenance start about 10. Yep, so you can, I mean it ain't crazy late. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:You ain't trying to not fall asleep while people are walking to the gym. Just start it earlier, bro. They need to. People are going to watch no matter what, but, like you're saying, dragging people to 1, 2 in the morning.
Speaker 4:I hate it. I hate it Just in case they're that late.
Speaker 2:Boy, no boy, no, it'd be a struggle, it'd be a struggle I think a nap earlier in the day for the party man that part right there and dozing while holding the can nah, it's watching me. If I gotta do that, I ain't doing none of that nah, that makes sense though.
Speaker 3:Nah, man, that was a good plug yeah cause? I definitely was. I definitely thought it was later. But alright, cool then, cool, cool, cool man.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you said something, cause I'd have been Saturday night, I'd have been watching football and went to bed man.
Speaker 3:Mr Hall of Fame woke up the next morning mad.
Speaker 1:I told people I was having a party, but I'm thinking 27. I'm already like, okay, I might have this card shown in 27, then I'll come back. I still have enough time to whoop shit. Well, saturday it is right no idea alright, then, man.
Speaker 3:Well, if that's it, then it's been Epic Podcast man. We will see y'all next week.