E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Life is full of moments you cannot predict or control only experience and enjoy right? Come join Vernon, Isaac, Justin, and Jared every Wednesday where we lend our opinions about current event going on in sports. Every episode is promising to be entertaining, not necessarily informational.
E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Revamped Indiana Fever, Luka Doncic's Lakers Move, and NBA & NFL Trade Dynamics
Can the Indiana Fever's revamped roster outshine the New York Liberty this season? We explore this tantalizing question as we break down the Fever's strategic player additions, featuring veterans DeWanna Bonner and Natasha Howard alongside rising talents like Caitlin Clark and Aaliyah Boston. The episode also examines the role of team chemistry and leadership in elevating the Fever's game. Additionally, notable WNBA transitions like Brittany Griner's move to Atlanta are highlighted for their potential impact on the league.
In a surprising twist, we turn our attention to the NBA, where Luka Doncic's trade to the Los Angeles Lakers has sent shockwaves through the basketball world. We scrutinize Dallas Mavericks' decision-making and contemplate Luka's future as LeBron James' potential successor. This discussion takes a deep dive into Luka's strengths and weaknesses, especially focusing on his defensive challenges, while considering how the Lakers can position themselves for success in the post-LeBron era. The ripple effects of this trade are analyzed, with thoughts on bold moves by teams like the Mavericks aiming to reshape their futures.
Finally, we shift to the intriguing dynamics within the NBA's Western Conference and the NFL's strategic landscape. From the playoff hopes of teams like the Portland Trail Blazers to potential trades involving stars like Micah Parsons, each scenario is put under the microscope. As the Super Bowl looms, we contrast the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City Chiefs, examining what each team stands to gain. Rounding off our discussion, we offer a glimpse into upcoming boxing events that promise to be spectacular. Join us as we navigate these compelling narratives and more, promising a podcast episode filled with insights and lively debate.
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Speaker 2:Baby, that's a ball game. Yo yo yo. Welcome back to another episode of the epic podcast. I'm joined tonight by my mans, jared and justin man. How's y'all sports weekends been?
Speaker 3:cool man. Um nothing, nothing too exciting happened. I'm just waiting on the super bowl, see what happens with that yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:What about you justin?
Speaker 4:it was a good weekend, man. Got to watch some good fights. So got to see, uh, david benavidez get him a good win. I got to see isaac cruz and stephen fulton got some good wins this weekend. So some good fights this weekend, man. So it was good.
Speaker 2:All right, cool, cool, cool. I didn't do too much, man, just following all the news that's going on right now Basketball, really, yeah. So I was just trying to keep up with it. It was crazy, yeah, like between the WNBA and the NBA, it was just a lot of movement. So we're going to jump right into this off the back. Man, we're going to start off with the WNBA and Beavers he additions man. Beavers he additions man.
Speaker 2:Uh, I went through their roster just to kind of get a feeling about who these people, because I mean, of course, we just dove back into the wnba, so like trying to figure out who these people are and if they good pickups man, hey, they got some. Hey, they got some ballers they got some ballers. Let me hold on. I thought I had it pulled up. So they got DeJuan Aboner. He last year averaged 15-6-2. Obviously, hooper is forward. Somebody would need 6'4". She's older, she's 37, but she has experience, which what the Shevers need. Natasha Howard she's older too, she's 33, but 6'2". She averaged 17, 6, and 3 last year. So that's a big pickup. And then, of course, pairing with Kaitlyn Clark and Aaliyah Boston and.
Speaker 2:Mitchell, which Mitchell herself averaged 19 last year, along with Kaitlyn Clark averaging 19 last year, and we all know Boston ain't no slouch. She put up 14 and nine last year. So I mean that's going to be a solid, solid, solid, solid roster for the Fever this year. They predicted them between them and the Liberty, top two teams in the East this year. So I'm really excited for this summer and their season to kick off. Hopefully they get, you know, get some chemistry going in and let's create more opportunities for for Caitlin and Boston to do their thing, cause now you doesn't know, you can't double team, you're not picking them up at half court, like it's too many other options now. Now you can't double team, you're not picking them up at half court, there's too many other options. Now, what y'all think of what I said?
Speaker 3:I agree with everything you said. You hit everything right on the head, definitely made some strong additions, like the Dewana Bonner addition. That was crazy. I didn't see that coming. I feel like she was one of the ones that was giving Kaitlyn the business, or trying to, last year. So it's interesting to see you know, uh, them being on the same team and you know, because the the fever was actually, they hit their stride man so like they finished the season off. Well, yeah, if they can keep that same momentum with the new coach, like yeah, they're gonna, they're going to be nice. I just knew that. I just knew that what's her name? How Kelsey Mitchell was going to go, not that I thought that she wanted to go, but I just I didn't think that it was possible for her, you know, for them to keep her. I'm not too into the weeds. You know of the contracts and all that going on, right, I just knew that. You know of the contracts and all that going on, right.
Speaker 3:I just knew that. You know she'd probably leave or something like that. They would have to reload, but got her back Like they looking tough for sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I just think in WNBA you kind of sit back and wait, like they don't jump out and make moves for money, like how, like the NBA does, like I think she maybe be sitting back and seeing like, hey, look, we got a new coach, a proven coach, Right? Uh, let's see what pieces we bring in, cause what you don't want to do is leave an up and coming team, uh, for a couple of dollars and then they gain, you know this immense talent. You sitting there, like with you know a little more money on a bad team and you could have hung out and been part of something you know building, because I mean, mitchell's only she's only 29. So she still will have a chance to get some more money. I mean, hey, we just grabbed a 37-year-old and a 33-year-old from free agency this year who are both average, you know double figures, so women can play well into their 30s and still make money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're going to be tough. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so definitely that Brittany Grinder going to leaving Phoenix, going to Atlanta. Atlanta made a couple more moves. I'm not really, I didn't really uh, dive into the king, but just grabbing brendy grinder, who was in phoenix for 11 years like um, that's a big addition, no matter where she goes. Kelsey palm getting traded from the aces to the sparks, um, which they had the number two pick last year, grabbed old girl from Connecticut and she was hurt most of the year. So you get a really, really good point, a championship point guard to pair with her, some youngins, and I think they got a top five pick this year too. So Sparks may be another team in the West to look out for, maybe be up and coming too. So, yep, I agree with that as well.
Speaker 2:So, uh, next man, nba man, this is crazy. Um, let's just let's, let's just start it off. Man, justin man, what do you think about luca, luca, ad, trade them two, team them two, gms, keeping everybody in the dark. Coaches and coaches and stars are like, literally, you talk to nobody else about it, just them two on the phone made the deal happen. And here we are like who's the winners, who's the losers? Do you think the organization has handled this the right way. What do you think, man?
Speaker 4:I guess that's a two part answer. The first part would be me saying, as a guy who's lost interest of the NBA over the years, it almost made me feel like the NBA just drummed up something to start getting interest back because viewership's been down. Made me feel like the NBA just drummed up something to start getting interest back Cause viewership's been down. That's what it seemed like to me. Obviously, that's just me, you know, talking in terms of how that's how that scene, um, I think it's ignorant.
Speaker 4:I think it's ignorant anytime you're trading somebody in the prime of their career and you don't have a conversation with anybody else to see what you can get. Like that, don't get me wrong. You you can say you got what you want and I have no problem with ad. Whatever people, love them, hate them, whatever it is, I could care less, but you could get. You could have got a lot of different pieces for luca. Uh, at least in in theory. You know what I'm saying. So to say that you didn't speak to anybody else, I just think that's. I mean, you're, you're terrible gm. I'll just say that you're a terrible GM to me If Leafy, if you don't entertain having other conversations and kind of just seeing what else is out there. So I mean winners and losers, we'll see. I've never been a Luka fan. I think he's lazy. I mean I ain't going to go on my Luka rant as usual. I've never been a Luka fan, nothing like that.
Speaker 4:But ultimately, I mean, you'll see. I think three, four years down the line you'll see if it works out. Dallas messes around and, you know, wins a championship this year, next year, something like that, you know, and the Lakers don't. You know. A lot of people say that Dallas may have ended up winning that trade. Luka goes on to get himself in shape and gets LA to a championship or has a ton of success there. People say that you know they win their trade.
Speaker 4:On the outside, looking in, Most people say the Lakers probably won the trade just on name recognition. But I wouldn't be so quick to do that. I think people are tripping if they think all of a sudden Luka and I'm not a for anybody, Listen, I'm not a LeBron, not one of them LeBron groupie type people Like I like basketball, I like basketball players, but I don't care enough about any of these dudes to be that guy. But I will say to think that Luka is going to step in and just become this something in LA when LeBron decides to retire or leave, I think it's crazy because I don't think Luke is that, so he better hope LeBron wants to stay to help him. But I just don't know how that will work, because Luke is so daggone ball-dominant as well.
Speaker 3:All right Jim, all right Eric. So I agree with a lot of what you said there. You're definitely not going to know the winners and losers until later on down the road. Something else you said I agree with is very, very strange that you don't make him available ahead of time. I mean you probably could have got five first round picks and a couple guys for Luka. So I agree that that was very, very strange. You know how they went about. You know doing that.
Speaker 3:I do think Luka's that guy. I think that's why they made the trade. He was that guy in Dallas, I mean even before Kyrie. Like I mean, this guy's been in the league. What is this? His sixth year. He's been first team All-NBA five times. Luka's a certified baller, like he's a bucket. Say what you want about his defense. I mean you know that's neither here nor there, um, but as far as what he can do on the offensive side, um, I think that's enough for any coach to be able to take that, that risk and be able to do some things to. I mean it's almost like what kind of player would he be if he was just as dynamic defensively as he was offensively? I mean you'd be looking at.
Speaker 3:That part, yeah, I mean you'd be looking at like a Jordan slash, Kobe slash, LeBron slash, whoever you think is the greatest like all in one if he was locked down defender. So I mean, you know, we got to kind of take that into consideration as well. But, like I said, I agree with a lot of what you said as well. But, like I said, I agree with a lot of what you said. It's really too early to know. I mean, whenever you can get a 25 year old, you know he's arguably not even at his prime.
Speaker 3:I mean I don't think he's at his peak, especially if he can get his conditioning together and maybe, you know, figure out something on defense. I mean maybe, mean, maybe, maybe you start, maybe he guards fours, maybe you know what I'm saying. Maybe you mix them around and line up a little bit like that. I think there's things you can do to kind of make up for you know, nobody's perfect. There's not one player ever. That's just been perfect.
Speaker 3:I mean everybody has it all right everybody has some, some things that probably could be better. Um, so I think you, just as a coach, you just find ways to work around that, but I think they got to steal. You know, obviously I'm not deferring the thing from a Lakers fan, although I want them to win because my favorite player plays for them, so of course I root for them to win. I'm not a fan by any means, but I've been saying this for a while the Lakers I've said it on the show you guys this might sound familiar I've been saying for a while that the Lakers need to start figuring out what is going to be after LeBron, and I don't think there was anything better for the Lakers than bringing in Luka. I mean, you think about it. Who else could you say, okay, this is going to be the face of my franchise for years to come. I, okay, this is going to be the face of my franchise for years to come.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's many other guys that especially available. There's not many other guys that you can put in that position and say, okay, this is him. Some people say Wimby Amma. I feel like Wimby Amma is going to break in half any moment. I'm just, that's just me, I just can't see you know his build holding up year after year after year after year, his, his build, holding up year after year after year after year. We'll see, I hope it does.
Speaker 3:But I mean I feel like Lucas is, I mean any team that could get you know Luca in the building at 25 years old already have five first team, all NBA is that's special. And so to to make that change for a guy and I and I wasn't a huge 80 fan, I thought he was lazy, I couldn't figure out why you know, he, he, uh, he moves the way he does. He moves so slow. Just think about it like this I'm like I don't know how much you know, uh, basketball you guys watch, but uh guys, like, uh clint, even like a clint compella, or uh, or jackson hayes, how they're like super bouncy activity, activity moving, like yeah, you get from the top down to the block.
Speaker 3:You know he just can't do that. He never has. I just never really understood it. Um, and then, and then I look at it like this, with the trade from the lakers point of view uh, joker's gonna cook whoever is at the five. Right, I'd rather them be cooking jack Jackson Hayes than cooking a guy that I need to actually score on the offensive end. So this is, I think it's a slight win for, for, for the Lakers.
Speaker 3:And and I mean I know people say you know well, lucas ball dominated LeBron's man. Lebron is the most unselfish superstar ever. He's going to give, he's going to give people. You see the video, him, uh, passing the ball back to D'Angelo Russell. Oh wow, let me wrap this up, somebody else can go. But you see the video of him like firing the ball back to D'Angelo Russell, like no, you go ahead and take it. I mean I don't think it's going to be a problem, like I think they'll be able to take turns and just go crazy. So I also like AD and Dallas, though. So I mean he was so adamant about playing the four and not being the five, which I thought was crazy, and it's crazy a couple weeks, a week and a half after that. He's out of there, so we'll see. I like Dallas' team, though, for sure.
Speaker 4:I like Dallas' team. And then I also said this, jared, I mean no, not, but you're such a liability on defense with LeBron and Luka on the court, I don't know what to tell you. Lebron at this age and Luka, it's all I mean to me. I'll be honest, to me as a franchise, I get why LA would trade for him. Because, to your point, they they needed a name, a guy for after LeBron.
Speaker 4:They needed that I get it. But, um, I can also understand Dallas, moving on if they thought now again, I don't think I would have did the AD thing only because I don't know that we can name what maybe five other guys, five people that you would say would have been untouchable and they, they wouldn't have cared about Luca, outside of that. You could have had anybody else in the league, like, let's just be honest, like you probably could have had anybody else in the league outside of maybe like five players. You know what I'm saying. So it's like I just I think that's just poor GM, and so I mean at the end of the day we're going to see how it all works out.
Speaker 4:But ultimately I just don't how Boston did Luka in the finals to me really show Luka's desire to play defense? And I always say in the NBA, whether it was whoever you want to think of, there's only been a few people I said I just don't think they could actually play it. Most of them can they just choose not to. They don't want to give the effort to play the defense.
Speaker 3:I'm still holding on strong to that 29 points a game man. Hey, if you're dropping 29 points a game you don't have to play the defense, but what if you're giving up 35?
Speaker 4:Nobody was, but you're giving up 35. No, nobody was just dropping 35 on Luka, bro. Luka was putting every pick and roll in the finals, bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, Steph Curry is usually two.
Speaker 4:Nah, they don't do Steph the same way. No, they be seeking Steph.
Speaker 3:When the Cavaliers came back, that was the team they was getting Curry and that Not.
Speaker 4:the same way. I'm not saying that, Curry they do that to a lot of the small guards.
Speaker 3:I Curry, and that's not the same way. I'm not saying that, curry. They do that to a lot of the small guys.
Speaker 4:I don't even think Curry's that bad of a defense. I mean, he's not, he's not that bad, but they were. They were putting him in everything from a standpoint of a mismatch in size. Yes, but that wasn't the, that wasn't the issue. If, in terms of Luka in the finals last year, that there was a totally different set of issues, the man just couldn't play no defense.
Speaker 2:But I also think with Luka too, being a fan of Luka. I am a fan of Luka.
Speaker 3:I am too.
Speaker 2:So, being a fan of his, when you're the primary ball handler, you have to get the offense going, getting everybody else involved. You don't have to, but he does, though he averaged almost nine assists a game. So I mean like.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to argue with you about that part in NBA today, so go ahead.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm just on a team where you don't have a ton of scores, you know it's mainly alley-oops and you know whatever, but how he battles to get his shot in the paint, the brews he take and then trying to run back on defense, and you know, guard up, he doesn't have to initiate the offense every time he got somebody else that he can. That can help the load as far as setting up teammates. So maybe he can play a little off ball, maybe LeBron can play a little off ball. I'm just saying like, maybe they can figure something out to lighten the load on him to where he can be more effective on defense.
Speaker 5:That's all. That was Kyrie, bro. I pulled him just to get in line.
Speaker 2:And it didn't work on defense.
Speaker 4:That's all I pulled them just to get in turn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but Kyrie was. People forget that. They were just in the finals, so something worked. You can't say that nothing worked.
Speaker 5:They had interior defense, though that was a completely different team that he's going into right now. I'm sorry for just jumping in.
Speaker 2:No, look man, we've missed you.
Speaker 5:That is a completely differently constructed team that was made to one as best as they could hide Luka's defensive inability, and I mean they had people in tears. So I mean when Luka played his Ole defense he had somebody back there. They ain't got nobody back there right now and if you watched them, even when they went to the finals, anytime Kyrie took the ball over Luka was standing on a hash. He ain't moved. Luka did not like the playoff ball. Lebron can playoff ball.
Speaker 5:I mean I think there's some things they could do offensively. I mean you could spell lebron, leave luke in the game. The office is gonna relatively look the same. Yes, uh, you can. Yeah, I mean like just to say they ain't gonna do nothing for you defensively. So I mean it seems like you are going to maybe adapt, trying to outscore everybody. Um, if you can, probably.
Speaker 5:Usually teams who outscore are usually running teams and Luka ain't running either. The whole thing about like I don't think Luka took a ton of pounding when he was holding the ball because he's not moving fast at all and he's not trying to move fast, he's just smart and knows when to get to a spot. So I don't think Luka expends a ton of energy on offense at all and none on defense. And I mean Vernon, like you know, they ran basically the equivalent of a five out in 2K. It was Luka shoot the ball, get to the basket somebody's going to collapse. Pass it over man, like that's not a super, like extravagant air-depth offense, but they built that offense around him to work around him.
Speaker 5:I don't know if they have that same thing in LA. I don't watch. I haven't watched a ton of basketball this year, I'll be honest, so I don't know how many shooters are in LA. I don't know how this affects like Austin Reeves or some of the other no-cats that they got on the team Offensively. It could be magic, but you know you got to stop somebody at some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think, like right now, currently, just because I've been keeping up with it, I think we're all saying the same thing they need to get a big ASAP in, like the next two days before this trade down ends up. I heard they was targeting like Miles Turner in Indiana.
Speaker 2:They've been targeting Miles Turner for like three years I know for some reason, but I mean, that's somebody who can defend the rim. He's constantly top five in blocks. Why he can't rebound, though, that's what I'm saying. That was my next thing. He's not a huge rebounder, but they team rebound between LeBron Luka and him. You know they're all averaging seven rebounds a game that was a personal thing.
Speaker 5:I lost a couple of them no. Because of his rebounds. You're always about your money.
Speaker 2:But he's also one that can stretch the four and shoot too. So again, with that five-out mindset, he helps too. And I think, max Keeler, he can shoot a little bit too.
Speaker 3:Not huge in the middle as far as defending, but I mean that gives them give them some more, give them some more, give them one more thing before and then we can move on from this. I also think I'm not sure that this change makes them a championship team this year. You know what what I'm saying? So I think a lot of what you guys commented on was how does it affect them now? Yeah, luka's 25 years old. Luka could possibly be there for another 10, 12 years. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think it kind of goes a little bit more than this year, I think Luka is. They finally decided to make a play for life beyond LeBron.
Speaker 3:James, yes, yes, they should have been doing and I think they finally made that move. So, like I'm not, I'm not saying that the move just makes all your Lakers are going to win a championship, do I think anything could happen? Absolutely, but I don't think that they're the favorite to win a championship. This is something the Lakers needed to do for their future and I think their guy locked in because they said something about they could possibly try to pursue Giannis. You know, when he comes up, you put a Giannis with you. Never know, like you just never know.
Speaker 2:And I think also too like from the Dallas standpoint, instead of just looking at it from the Lakers' standpoint, the Dallas standpoint, like Dallas is really trying to win now. So you put an AD there just like OK, hey, if this doesn't work, fine. Like we got a bunch of guys you know, veteran guys, it's on expiring contracts and we have some young guys that we've developed also. So it's not a, you know, it's a win, win regardless. Like either, we're going to read it you know it's a win-win regardless.
Speaker 5:Like either, we're going to rebate, it's never a win-win when you give up your 25-year-old star.
Speaker 4:It's not a win-win unless you win the championship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if you win the championship it's fine too, but if you, I mean hell, if you don't win you let AD go on. So if you, let AD go on. What did you get for trading your 25-year-old? I mean, the same thing you got when you had him, Not a championship it doesn't matter, but you're irrelevant without AD.
Speaker 2:Okay, but then everybody's going to be gone anyway in that time for him anyway, they saved that $ 345 million too, though exactly like now you can start that process of rebuilding because, first off, if you're making these moves and you ain't letting your coach know, everybody's really on notice. This league championship, or we're going to start moving, other people are going to start moving out too, and I'm not just talking players highlight zone at that uh conference.
Speaker 5:So I was like is he breathing very. I think that's like depending, or just saying that you think that they could get free agents and I don't. That part, no, no, no, I'm just I'm not saying get free agents.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying talking about. I mean, I'm talking about starting over, like, like y'all said, you got to win the championship with ad while he's on his contract. Or, like I said, you're not the Kyrie's and they're not going to be there that long for this to be a project for down the line. Like you know what I mean, you can't build on this. Yeah, but how old is Kyrie?
Speaker 3:Thirty three.
Speaker 2:Right, so you may get him Wait. Thirty six year old Kyrie plays done. After what? Two years like that window is very small.
Speaker 3:Retire anytime, like right that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He could wouldn't surprise. I thought he was actually gone what if he just and just thinking about Kyrie, what if he just signed back because he wanted to continue to play with Luca, like now you done, shipped him out without telling nobody? Yeah.
Speaker 3:We know how he did. That's all we know.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing, just kind of like when Jared said you guys are talking about right now versus the future. I can't talk about something I don't know about. So, everything you're talking about is something that you don't know nothing about. You're just talking.
Speaker 4:We only can talk about what we know and what we see right now, and that's all you got to go off of. We could talk about a thousand different hypotheticals, but all we can go off of is what we know right now. You know, like the trade for Luka does not make LA a championship team or Dallas is. They have to win to make that trade make any sense.
Speaker 2:Now I did hear um dallas is actually trying to pursue kevin durant because he wants to rank kairi and ad as a trio in dallas not done.
Speaker 4:But again it all depends on what dallas ends up doing, because I think if they pull something like that off, you're as a fan, you're not tripping on the lucca trade yeah, I understand they're putting all their chips in the table win or lose, and that's the thing.
Speaker 4:it's it about winning the championship but it's not at the same time, because I've always said, from an organization standpoint and I think, jarrett, you're going to agree with me as well I don't ever fault an organization for trying to win, regardless if they win or not, I don't fault them for trying to win. I fault organizations who don't try to win, who don't make moves, who stand pat and do nothing. That's the organizations I have a problem with.
Speaker 2:The ones who try to win. I have no problem with that. I have no arguments with that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't got nothing for that.
Speaker 2:Especially with what's going on with Jimmy too, which was another topic, Like trying to get Jimmy to maybe get jimmy to portland to possibly nobody, I don't care.
Speaker 5:Before we move to that, I don't know if uh desmond was like proposing this as a trade or just something. I just we just ain't seen yet, but he was. This looks like a three-team trade proposal austin reeves, jerry vanderbilt to Portland, indiana would get Rob Williams III, sheldon Sharp and LA would get Miles Turner. I think that's a proposal. I don't. I just want to know what y'all think about that. I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 4:I haven't either.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think that's his personal proposal. Oh, okay, I didn't want his comment to go unseen.
Speaker 3:I don't think the Lakers want to come off and I mean you just need more.
Speaker 2:First off, he's not scared to defend. I'm not saying he's the best defender, but he puts a lot more effort than a lot of guys on the Lakers. So you just don't want to get, and him and Vanderbilt, both of them, like you really don't want to give those away because both of those are your.
Speaker 3:you're defending your effort, defending guys yeah, I'll tell you what the lakers don't.
Speaker 3:They don't need any offense from that big literally if they find somebody to defend, they're also just going to clog the paint yeah, I mean I guess if he could shoot a little bit, but I mean they're not going to need any offensive production from that position. I mean you got Reeves, you got LeBron, you got Luka like you got Hatchimor. Still you got Devin Dorian excuse me, dorian Finney-Smith, you know shooting corner trades, like I feel like the offense is there. If they can find a big that can just divert all his attention, all his effort, to defense, I think they'll be straight.
Speaker 2:And rebounding, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that trade that he's offering not to cut you off, that he put in there, that's not a bad trade.
Speaker 4:I just don't think it's one that makes to y'all's point. I don't think that makes the most sense for LA, because they'd be losing two energy guys. They kind of do some of the dirty work for them to bring in Miles Turner, who he's a good help side shot blocker but he's actually a terrible on like. He can't defend people one-on-one. He's good at help side shot blocking but if somebody has him in the paint, that's why he's he gets tore up by like actual centers who can score.
Speaker 2:He can't do nothing with him.
Speaker 4:He's's just, he's not that kind of defender but he is a real good help size shot blocker so, and I don't think that helps, I don't and that doesn't help indy in either and they're big problems. I think so because william, well, let me take that back.
Speaker 2:If he's healthy, if he's healthy which is the problem right now with their brains like right, I'm looking at, I'm like that doesn't really help, yeah yeah problem anyway, so like yeah yeah if he's healthy.
Speaker 4:I I actually don't mind that for indiana because it's not a, as y'all know, we're not getting big name free agents and I I've always been a shade and sharp guy in terms of I like the young, but he got some gold to him. He's an exciting player to watch. He can score, he can do a lot of things, but Robert Williams not being able to stay healthy to your point doesn't help Indiana at this stage. They got to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know that would be a tough choice to make For Indiana to pull the trigger on. I think that would be tough for them to pull the trigger on. I think that would be tough for them to pull the trigger on. But I'm sure, like you said, la probably wouldn't go for it either. Like you said, reeves and Vanderbilt, that's just too much to give up.
Speaker 4:That's probably their two most tradable assets, though, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, but again I just think it's too much. Yeah, so another trade. What about the the Ving, the Aaron Fox? How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 3:Hey, really I don't think, I don't know. I think the Spurs will benefit the most from that. But I feel like the Kings kind of just bro, you damn near got the same thing. Really they got the Bulls again.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but now you're playing with DeMar DeRozan.
Speaker 3:They play together in Chicago. They just kind of just neutralized themselves, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've been a few In the move for Sacramento yeah they've been a few games out of the Western Conference Finals a couple times over the past years and it's just like now, it's just like year after year. They're just getting rid of an asset. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:On top of a coach, I feel like they felt they were going to lose Fox for nothing this offseason he probably did.
Speaker 2:He probably just let them know I would trade him too.
Speaker 3:They offered him a contract and you know, it's like nah. I'm cool. So they probably felt like he was going to walk. So they kind of had to trade him. So I mean I guess in retrospect, I guess that is a pretty decent trade. I mean, you didn't get worse, I don't think.
Speaker 4:Who's their point guard?
Speaker 5:I their point guard. I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. Who's the point guard now?
Speaker 2:They've had Malik Monk running a lot. Yeah, I was about to say Malik Monk, I can choose.
Speaker 4:So again, who's their point guard?
Speaker 3:He wants to score.
Speaker 2:He wants to score.
Speaker 5:Levine wants to score.
Speaker 4:DeRozan wants to score.
Speaker 5:Sabonis does a lot of the playmaking for them.
Speaker 2:So right now they have Malik Monk as their starting point guard, Wow Zach at the two, DeMar DeMorosan at the three, Keegan Murray at the four and Sabonis at the five, Offensively.
Speaker 4:That should be a pretty tough starting five, but they still defensively going to have some problems because they don't have a shot blocker, because we all know Sabonis ain't blocking nothing. But I can see what you're saying, though, because Sabonis has really facilitated the offense anyway.
Speaker 5:So kind of being that type guy yeah.
Speaker 2:And their backup. I'm literally looking at their depth chart. Their backup Devin Carter and Keion Ellis is the second and third guards. So, and and their backup. I'm I'm literally looking at their depth chart. Uh, their backup devin carter and keon ellis is the second and third guards so I don't know who that is, so yeah, same here, same here so yeah, um, maybe they make another move yeah, maybe they make another move, or maybe they're just trying to, you know, build up draft picks too, because that's always a thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, you're right. Last but not least, even though we all said we didn't want to talk about it, where do we think Jimmy's going to end up? He's already thrown out more teams he don't want to play for, but man, he's already there permanently.
Speaker 3:How the hell do you tell the Warriors that you're not resigning with them, even if you not mean that's kind of. Why would you? I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's kind of crazy too.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't touch Jimmy Butler. I don't even think you could pay me to touch Jimmy Butler Every place he goes, it ends up being something Everywhere he goes.
Speaker 2:He's clearly had his most success in Miami. They made it to two finals. At this point he's literally setting down everything but Phoenix, like everything, like I think they tried to work something out with Milwaukee, I mean like a bunch of teams, and it's just like he's like nah, I think he gets the he like he is what some people think other guys are as far as like the switching teams and all this crap.
Speaker 3:Like this guy is he's going crazy, but I mean he ain't really catching no slack for it either. So I don't really, I don't really fully understand how that works, but he's going crazy, like now, like, I think, a lot of them other teams.
Speaker 5:People just perceive the issue of the team and not jimmy. And now everybody like nah bro, like expose it, like bro, like expose it.
Speaker 2:Like, especially in Miami. Like it's going to be hard to make Miami look like the problem, like every Miami is just like.
Speaker 2:Speak on it enough and I compare them I mean just being a fan of Miami also like I compare them to the Baltimore Ravens as far as, like, the stability of their organization and just how they go about things. Like you just never hear things at the top being a problem in like Baltimore or those types of Steelers. Like if there's a player problem it's a player problem in those type of organizations. And Miami is one of those spots that like if there's a problem, it's definitely a player problem, it's not a higher up problem Because they have no problem moving guys like at all, like and bringing in talent. Like people love going there. I mean I don't know if it's the no income tax or what, but guys love going to.
Speaker 2:Miami. Huh, south Beach man, that too, that too, so, but it seems like I mean they got a couple days, but it seems like if he don't get to Miami he's suspended indefinitely. So like if he don't agree to something, or him and his agent don't agree to something, he won't be playing basketball the rest of the year. Because I doubt Miami, he would never touch the floor in that jersey ever again. Nah, y'all want. Because I doubt Miami, he would never touch the floor in that jersey ever again.
Speaker 3:Nah, y'all want to know something. Crazy, though, like this goes back to what you were saying about the state income tax. So not only did Luka Doncic lose out on the opportunity to get that 345, he now goes from no state income taxes to the highest.
Speaker 4:Yep, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:So you think about the 120,000? No excuse me Million 20 million of contract dollars that he lost out on plus 9% of his contract.
Speaker 5:I think is what I thought.
Speaker 3:I think I heard it was 13. It did, I think that was 13. In LA it's 13.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher than both of those numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that is nuts, but hey, but the other crazy thing since we're just talking about money the other crazy thing is they both just bought new mansions this year and now, like Lucas just bought one for like $13 million and AD, like Luka, just bought one for like $13 million and AD just built one in LA for like $20.
Speaker 3:I'm actually a geek with this kind of stuff. I think AD's been in his house a little bit. He's been in it a few years, so I actually know where it is. Don't ask me how, but yeah, he's actually been in it ask me how, but yeah.
Speaker 5:He's actually been in Dallas, I guess, whatever.
Speaker 3:But, I mean Luka just closed on his house like last week. $15 million that's, that's tough.
Speaker 2:Hey, Again, it's more than I got. Now he's back on the market.
Speaker 4:Nah he'll probably keep it. He'll probably keep that in Dallas After that bruh.
Speaker 2:It don't matter, I mean if he likes to live in the city, there's no reason to be in that city, not the city.
Speaker 5:I ain't going to lie to you, man. Dallas is a good time, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love Dallas.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Dallas is solid.
Speaker 2:I'm not questioning that, but after what y'all said to me, I ain't going to be there no time soon player man going to Dallas ain't like you're going to see anybody from the organization.
Speaker 4:He in and out the city without nobody knowing.
Speaker 2:That's probably true too.
Speaker 3:He's rich, he can do whatever.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when you got that kind of bread, man like he ain't like you, he ain't made on a.
Speaker 2:Southwest flight Pull up to the right Southwest.
Speaker 3:You don't have to be seen unless you want to be seen that's right, that's true.
Speaker 2:All right, man enough.
Speaker 5:Enough about all this, oh, no, no we had a comment that's been yeah. It doesn't have another comment. He asked could the current version of the blazers upset a top seed in the first round?
Speaker 2:no, no no, absolutely not let's be not in the West with that top seed Possibly being OKC or Denver.
Speaker 3:I'm not even sure. Shout out to them. But no chance in hell to even make the playoffs, let alone knock on the top seed.
Speaker 4:I don't think. I don't even know if Chauncey Billings can coach. I'm not sure either.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure. I haven't even watched enough Portland games. Actually, they play Indiana that night at 10. I'm going to watch that, so I'll have a Portland game under my belt. But yeah, they're 21 and 29 right now. But yeah, I don't, like I said, possibly one of those teams being Denver or OKC.
Speaker 4:They're not beating anybody in the West period. I don't think the only team that, like I have heard people say, is they're like. They definitely see the Lakers falling out of the playoffs. They just don't. It was something they were saying, I guess, with Lucas Health or something.
Speaker 4:Kind of him being in and out of the lineup. They're like if you're forcing LeBron to carry a team again, they just think the talent is too deep in the West for him to, you know, end up carrying it. Who knows, I don't know. Like I said, I haven't followed it that close, but that's the only team in the West that it sounds like people are saying you could really see maybe tumbling and that just really depended upon you know, Luka's health is what they said.
Speaker 3:I don't think I see them fumbling, because I mean they looked damn good against the Knicks the other night with no AD. So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I don't see them. You don't have to wait and see, obviously.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, we're definitely going to see sooner than later, for sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's saying that Portland beat Denver and they beat Phoenix twice.
Speaker 3:Well. I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Phoenix though.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we're talking about Portland. We're talking about Phoenix, though.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, we're talking about Portland, but even with that, you're talking about a Phoenix team that's 25-24. That's crazy that they're 25-24. I especially wasn't going to say Phoenix, that's nuts 25-24 right now I mean Denver's 31-19, but now we're talking about a playoff team, which you know what I mean, like a perennial playoff team versus a team that ain't been to the playoffs in a very long time. It was different. It was different when you're talking seven games, what's?
Speaker 5:the difference With the three seed right now.
Speaker 2:They are the fourth seed right now. You got Houston. Houston's got a top seed. You guys got a top seed no.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I think Portland's biggest challenge right now is making the play-in. I mean right now, y'all 21 and 29, and y'all you know.
Speaker 3:That's their only like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 3:13th in the standings right now Wait is he a Portland fan or is he just speaking?
Speaker 2:It sounds like it. I think Portland can upset anyone. But okay see. You know, I just don't think so. Not in seven games, but like not now. I mean, we're at the, you know quote, unquote halfway point. But to get, I mean, we just have to see a lot more out of Portland 21 and 29 right now, like I just don't see you in that realm.
Speaker 5:And if it happens, we will shout you out here.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely Absolutely. I mean more parts of it. If they want to win and they do it, I ain't got nothing to say about it, like shout out to you. But I don't like you said. I mean their biggest hurdle right now is making it. I don't see them. The team is young, like you said, justin. I don't even really know if Chauncey Billups can coach or not. That's one aspect, but I mean they're super young. They just don't have enough to be the top seed. No, yeah.
Speaker 4:That was a team to me that I think I've said over the last year. They were one of those teams kind of like how Orlando was where you had a lot of talent, but no like top-tier talent. You just had a lot of good talent. They needed to package it up to get, you know, get them a guy to kind of help, you know, push them to that next level, and they just haven't been able to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Desmond, don't get caught up on the recent success. Yes, they just beat the Suns twice, they beat the Bucs in the past couple of weeks, but I mean they've lost to the Thunder Before this winning streak out of the last, what nine They've won eight. Before that they lost five in a row, like they've had more losing streaks than winning streaks right now. So let's see if they can just keep the momentum going.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a reason. They're eight games under 500.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let's just see if they can keep it going before we start talking about upsets or the possibility of like and think about it.
Speaker 4:You just said they won eight of nine.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We just won eight of nine.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so if you just won eight of your last nine and you're still eight games under 500. Y'all going crazy. I mean, man, what's up?
Speaker 2:with his dream. What's his?
Speaker 5:dream.
Speaker 2:What's his dream? The bottom four teams they have the best winning streak right now. I mean, that's the. I mean, sadly, I like a lot of the guys on Portland, that's the thing.
Speaker 3:I like a lot of the guys on Portland.
Speaker 2:It's just I.
Speaker 4:I like a lot of the guys on Portland. It's just. I'll be honest, I don't know that Chauncey Billups can coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes, coaching, sometimes it's not even the players on the court, no, it's the coaching. Sometimes it can just be the coaching holding the bat, I understand, but the team they are clicking right now. That's what they have going for them. But the West is a gauntlet, yeah, when you. But the West is a gauntlet, like when you got Golden State and San Antonio right now outside of the play-in, like after you know just Golden State being Golden State and San Antonio now getting you know Fox like and playing really good basketball. At some point, if they do Like, if these other teams in front of them get clicking like it's gonna be hard for them to get in. And then, even if you get in and you're in there with uh, minnesota, a dallas, a sacramento clippers like these teams, that's right there on the verge, even if the lakers drop down there like these. It's this tough, you know, year in and year out playoff teams and Portland is just young and don't have the experience to, I believe, to go those seven games like. It's just going to be tough. It's going to be tough. But much success to them. I hope they do like I.
Speaker 2:The Pacers start off slow. They going on a run right now. Hopefully they can keep it up, but you know it's still a long lot of basketball to be played. We'll be covering it more after the Super Bowl. Speaking of the Super Bowl, last but not least, our final topic. First off, maz Garrett wants out.
Speaker 4:Coming back tomorrow, Miles.
Speaker 2:What's the best fit before I can even get it out. Go ahead, Justin. What's the best fit? Baltimore?
Speaker 4:No best fit. I don't know. I had to think about that Best fit. I would love to see him in Baltimore, but no Best fit, I don't know. That's a good question, honestly.
Speaker 3:I think you've got to define best fit, because I feel like he's that dynamic of a player that, wherever you put him, is going to work, I mean, even with us. You put him on the opposite side of Hendrickson. You got something. You know what I'm saying that's what, that's dead.
Speaker 2:So I'll throw out a couple teams and I'll see what y'all think. What about Detroit Fire?
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, no burning, but they just paid Jerick off that money like some dummies. But go ahead, Don't get in trouble. I ain't going to get going on that. But go ahead. Philly Good Fire, that wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair.
Speaker 3:There's not anywhere that you're going to say that's going to be like man, unless you say like the Jaguars. I mean shit. He's going to make them better, true. I mean anywhere he goes is going to make them significantly better.
Speaker 4:Because he's that good of a player. He's that good.
Speaker 2:Hey, what about this trade? What about Kirk Cousins for Garrett they, this trade? What about Kirk?
Speaker 4:Cousins for Garrett. They're not doing that.
Speaker 2:You can get rid of the quarterback.
Speaker 4:Atlanta would do it, but Cleveland's not. They're not taking a trash bag.
Speaker 2:Let's not forget who we're talking about.
Speaker 4:That's exactly why we're not Because you're asking them to take on another bad contract when they still got Deshaun's on the book. That's exactly why we're not because you're asking them to take on another bad contract when they still got Deshaun's on the book. That's not happening. They can get out of that.
Speaker 2:They're the ones who made the bad contract.
Speaker 5:They got another year.
Speaker 2:I'm saying they can void his joint because he's been wilding, if something else this other situation they can void his contract and let him out of it.
Speaker 4:But I mean I'm going back to get your flag, kirk Cousins in his best day, and were half of miles Garrett's body. So that is not even a.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're talking about miles, Garrett. It's going to be hard to find a player that you can just match up and say, all right, this is You're not going to do just a player.
Speaker 4:But I mean, if you're saying Kirk Cousins, I'm going back to Atlanta and say, all right, I'll take Kirk Cousins, but I want your next seven years of first-round picks because Kirk Cousins is he's dumpster trash dook. Get him out of here.
Speaker 2:I mean Khalil Mack went for a slew of picks. So I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, which probably never mind.
Speaker 3:Y'all are brutal.
Speaker 2:The Commanders? Yep, I think he makes a huge difference on a team with defense. What the commanders they do, they not need defense. Did y'all not just see what happened? That's what I'm, I think.
Speaker 3:I'm crazy, I'm like wait a minute there's not a team that you can say that we're not going to say I mean, yeah, that would make a hell of a difference.
Speaker 4:The Bears yeah, put him outside, the opposite of Micah Parsons in Dallas, you're like wow. Crazy Like crazy.
Speaker 2:That would be stupid.
Speaker 3:What if you line Micah Parsons up? Pause behind him. Like to that same side.
Speaker 4:That's a problem boy.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, You're going to need three different lines. I mean three old linemen for two people, and that still won't be enough.
Speaker 3:And the niggas on the other side are going to be going crazy too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But if you take three people of your line on them, two guys, they send whatever coming on that other side straight in.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. I think he ends up in the NFC. I'll just say it that way.
Speaker 2:I don't think they're going to trade him. You can really put him on any AFC team and he'll fit right in. That's why I named NFC teams, because just the chances.
Speaker 4:Washington, I think would be the most likely one because of Jaden Daniels success. It's allowing them. Now they're playing with house money right now oh yeah they're.
Speaker 3:They gotta be all in right now they gotta be all in.
Speaker 4:So you add, especially once they get that defensive line healthy, because people keep forgetting their two best defensive linemen got hurt. Yeah so Washington and Attitude.
Speaker 2:Uh, best defensive lineman, um, you know, for majority of the and that's been one of their biggest struggles on defense is not being able to get pressure on the quarterback. Yep.
Speaker 4:And you add him. Yeah, that makes a difference. That makes a huge difference, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:All right man. And who has more to gain in winning the Super Bowl? Man?
Speaker 3:Easy Eagles, eagles, yep Eagles. Patrick Mahomes has nothing to gain for the rest of his career, really.
Speaker 2:Nah, that's true.
Speaker 3:He doesn't. It's not going to. Nothing he can do is going to improve his stock at this point.
Speaker 5:Nah, he's going to have to go out and start throwing. He's maxed, he's maxed.
Speaker 3:I think it was with Dave. He's maxed out, literally maxed out on, he's just maxed out. He can't get any greater than what he is. I mean, obviously, if he wins a Super Bowl every year for the next 10, he would be some kind of like Lord, lord Patrick, lord Moho he would be some kind of like fictional, like non-real. Some house chiefs yeah, but he can't get. If he loses this, we don't care, no.
Speaker 5:Andy Reid's stamp. Kelsey's stamp.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's nothing, they'll be back. We don't care. I feel like it's 100% to nothing what the Eagles can gain and what the Chiefs can gain.
Speaker 4:100% the media has the Eagles can gain and what the Chiefs can gain 100%. The media has the game of being able to talk about a three-peat, but that's about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a bit.
Speaker 4:Three-peat or not. I mean, are we going to really say, oh, patrick Holmes ain't that good because he didn't win three Super Bowls in a row? Yeah, nobody's going to say that, nobody's going to say that so yeah, but Nobody's going to say that. So yeah. But you know, yeah, we'll see, We'll see if Philly can get it done. At this stage I don't think it's going to happen Because me and Jared are still trying to figure out how Travis Kelsey gets so open in all these games he plays in.
Speaker 3:It just blows my mind.
Speaker 5:Blows my mind, man he paying off the linebackers and DBs. Ike he got DBs, he got to be, he got to be. Just let me catch the ball.
Speaker 4:He gets so open, sometimes I'll be like, all right, yeah, the NFL's rigged, I guess. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3:He'll be in a crucial situation still. He'll be like third and 11. He'll just be like wide, open middle of the field, 15 yards downfield, standing still.
Speaker 2:I was just about to say that He'll be moving to get open. He'll tiptoe like two steps to the left, two steps to the right or something, and just be straight up curl route, all curl route.
Speaker 2:He'll just be wide open, standing still, like doing his taxes, in the middle of the field and then it's like you still got a deandre hopkins out there, like that's been, that's there, but it's been quiet, like like that's just ridiculous. I mean, you're just, miss souster is not the best, but he's made some some timely catches. He had made some plays, like when you just forget that he's even on the team. And then worthy is like the fucking speedy gonzalez. He's just all over the field just doing all the most, taking handoffs, screens, like, like everything. So it's like sometimes you just drop Kelsey just right in the middle of the chaos and it's like, oh, there he is. I don't know There'd be so much going on. Kansas City does so much. And then you got Kareem Hunt and Pacheco in the backfield and then T-Ron here and there. You know he's all-purpose, he can catch run. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:He's like Block do a lot of everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Gray, the other tight end.
Speaker 4:So even when Kelsey ain't out there, you know he's showing himself to be serviceable, it's like the only chance Philadelphia is going to have is they're going to need Jordan Davis, jalen Clark and Milton Williams to create havoc up front and not give Patrick Mahomes the chance to really do anything, like Tampa did when they just all out pressured Mahomes and he literally just didn't have a chance to do anything Outside of that.
Speaker 4:I just don't see them, because something tells me, as great as Saquon has been this year, spags is going to create something defensively now that he didn't have all these weeks to work on it, where he's going to say Saquon, you're great, but I design defenses better than what they create offensive possessions for you. So you're going to have to do something, jalen and I'm not sure Jalen Hurts can beat anybody with his arm, honestly. So, uh, jared said a long time ago he wasn't sold on jaylen and I'll be honest with you, it's. I don't think you're wrong. No, jay, that's the thing. Like, I think this season I lean more towards what you said earlier in the year than what I did before. Where I'm like I think you might be right. Where where I'm not sure he's that guy. I don't know that he's that guy that can go win you a game.
Speaker 3:And it's like it's about demeanor for me too. He just never really even looks comfortable against the Chiefs. I just don't see it. I feel like me and Vernon Vernon and I rather talked about this last episode the Chiefs can just win every kind of different situation in the game, like you say, even if Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis is going crazy, they're just going to go off tackle.
Speaker 3:They master figuring out how to counter what you're doing. We've seen guys go crazy against them and they still find a way to win the game. I feel like Saquon could go for 225 and the Chiefs could still win. They just can play. They can adapt to any kind of situation. They can play any kind of game that you want to play. You want to do a shootout? We can play that. You want to have a defensive struggle? You want to play that? We can do that. Y'all want to do a special teams game. They're going to return a punt or they're going, you know, have 250 yard punt returns, you want to get a block kicked or something they're going.
Speaker 3:They're going to get four turnovers to your two or three. Whatever kind of game you want to play, they're, they're just gonna.
Speaker 2:They're man they just game for it, man, they're just ready, bro.
Speaker 3:They can play any kind of game ugly, what like, whatever, it just doesn't matter. Like injured they don't. They never really even get injured. I mean, we've seen patrick mahomes roll somebody roll up his whole entire leg.
Speaker 5:He don't miss a game, it's like run for 32 yards the next play yeah, the way this man plays on one foot.
Speaker 2:This man, I feel like he's been playing on one foot for three years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he got hurt that year. No, that was the year that we lost Almost every year in the playoffs his ankle gets hurt. Every year. I was watching the game where he was running and he looked like he hyperextended his knee, Missed no game If that was anybody else else, they'd be dead.
Speaker 3:They're literally the most indestructible. And then another thing uh about them is uh, this is something that you know. Uh, uh, what's his name? Shannon sharp was saying that I disagree with. So he's saying like oh, I pulled up the numbers and you know, people are penalized well more than. It's not about the overall number of penalties, it's about when you can have, when they happen right, you can have 10 uh penalties to, can't you know?
Speaker 3:they could call 10 penalties on kansas city and call two on you, but if those two are on third down with the game on the line, yep that's all you need like. So nobody is saying that oh they, you know, k Kansas City is just, they never get called for penalties. No, they get called for penalties too, and they probably get out-penalized.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but it probably be a situation where it's not detrimental to the team.
Speaker 3:It's just when the penalties occur against the Kansas City's opponents is what makes it or not called.
Speaker 5:Correct, that's very valid is what makes it or not called.
Speaker 4:Correct. That's very valid.
Speaker 3:That's it.
Speaker 4:That's just guys like Shannon Sharp, though, being the national media puppet that he is.
Speaker 3:That's it. I can't even watch his show. No more, really Nah, ever since.
Speaker 4:Cat.
Speaker 2:Williams thing.
Speaker 4:I feel like that he didn't Something didn't happen, that brother didn't sold himself or something but he didn't got.
Speaker 3:It looks like somebody's paying him to push an agenda Yep. When Nightcap first started, it just seemed natural. Now he just goes too hard on certain stuff. Is somebody paying you to go this crazy?
Speaker 4:I think so.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't doubt it either. All right, well, man, hey, that's all I got. Man, it's nice to have the original floor back. Man, that's true. Yeah, nice surprise, I haven't seen that in a long time.
Speaker 3:Hey, ike, hopefully everything is cool your way, uh, with your situation, your mom's. All that, hopefully everything is is. You know, I'm saying copacetic, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 5:It's more of things are stacked on top of things. But you know, I'm I'm maintaining it.
Speaker 3:That's cool, well, we're always here for you, brother, so appreciate it, appreciate it All the time All the time.
Speaker 2:All right, justin man, any man, jerry, are we defunding anything today? Man, can we get a sign for the hood? I had something.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've defunded UC men's basketball a few times, so that's, that's off the you know what is crazy. I had something but it slipped my mind. I'm going to get y'all next time. I definitely had something.
Speaker 2:Hey, when you have it, man, put it in the chat and we'll just save it and bring it up.
Speaker 3:I got you, I got you, I ain't going to lie.
Speaker 2:I kind of grow partial to hearing it now. I like hearing it.
Speaker 5:What was that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, man. Any final thoughts? Justin, Anything you want to leave us with Any fights coming up that we should be looking forward to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you got a couple good fights coming up actually.
Speaker 3:Offred and Canelo. Is that real?
Speaker 4:Supposedly that is actually in the works. But see, the problem is with boxing man. Until it's actually finalized, it's all here. Say you know what I'm saying so?
Speaker 4:yeah until you really see it, we'll see it. But if that happens this year because the rumor I believe they said is going to be in september that's huge, that's a huge fight. I think that'd be probably one of the best fights that you're going to have this year. Uh, I'm trying to look. It is the the weekend of the 22nd February 22nd. Shakur Stevenson he's back in there against, I think, kit Austin. I think he fights Kit Austin on the 22nd of February still, I think, but they changed the date so much so you never know.
Speaker 4:And then that next weekend I think it is the 1st of March Gervonta Davis is back in the ring. He fights Roach. I forgot Buddy's first name, but he fights Roach on March 1st. And then there's another fight coming up with Keyshawn Davis. I can't remember the date of that one, but that one should be a decent fight as well. So you got a couple good ones because you got, matter of fact, you got B-Vol and B-Da. I can't ever pronounce Buddy, pronounce buddy name, but that fight, actually that rematch, is coming up too.
Speaker 2:I think that's in march there's not kool-aid in that cup your children.
Speaker 5:Why are you on the pod brother? You could have muted that I thought I did.
Speaker 2:There's a reason it didn't happen. There's a reason it didn't happen. I guess it just didn't happen.
Speaker 4:But nah, long and short, there's some good fights coming up, so I'll try to keep everybody up to date as far as before the week Of the fights coming up. But you should have a couple good ones to start the year off and then we'll kind of see if some of the bigger ones Actually get made for later in the year, because I think everybody wants to see the crawford and canela at this stage.
Speaker 4:So that's probably the biggest fight that they're going to be able to make this year. So we'll see. But the only thing I was going to say is shout out to desmond man we love the interaction, man, so shout out, appreciate it for sure share, share, share, share, like, subscribe.
Speaker 2:All that good stuff, man, man. Yeah, we're going to keep this thing going, man. But with that being said, man, this has been an epic podcast. We will see y'all next week after the Super Bowl on Tuesday, hopefully. Peace out, peace out.