E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Rethinking the NFL Playoffs: Chiefs' Strategy, Mahomes' Legacy, and Super Bowl Predictions
Our discussion centers on the upcoming Super Bowl LVIII matchup between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles, highlighting each team's strengths and strategies. We delve into recent game performances, controversial officiating, key plays, and what victory would mean for the legacies of Mahomes and Hurts.
• Chiefs' resilience and strategic superiority
• Controversial calls shaping the league's narrative
• Eagles' impressive offensive tactics and defensive strategies
• The dynamic interplay of contrasting playing styles
• Implications of a Super Bowl win for both franchises
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Speaker 2:Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast. Just me and Jared in the house tonight. How was your sports weekend, man?
Speaker 3:It was cool man. I'm still, you know, living off my high of being a champion. Nothing else really mattered. Everything else was extra. I didn't catch the Eagles in the Commanders game. I was on the road traveling back from Columbus. I did get to watch most of the Kansas City Chiefs game and it went as expected. Bullshit calls One team getting all the breaks, the other team getting no breaks. You know, typical. I mean, I think we all knew what was going to happen. But yeah, I got to watch a little bit of that game and, yeah, super Bowl set.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I actually think it was probably tighter call than I thought it was gonna be or that a normal chief game this year has been called um. So I wasn't too upset about the officiating like that, I don't. It wasn't nothing really egregious.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, that catch, that they gave dude down by the goal line which one like, did you like you watch yeah?
Speaker 2:I watched the game.
Speaker 3:I just that catch. That wasn't a catch Like both guys was going for it. Oh, with Worthy, where the ball touched the ground. Yeah, like how in the hell did you give that to the offense Like Well.
Speaker 3:And then it was a fourth down where Josh Allen went for it. I'm not going to say that it was a first down or not, but the spot they gave was terrible. He was right on the line, so they should have measured it and it should have been close, if not a first down. I thought that was a bad call.
Speaker 2:There was a couple of calls missed. I mean, you know, no, Houghton's going to be missed the whole time.
Speaker 3:I just want to say that, not taking nothing away from the Chiefs. But you know, it's just, and I'm not even really saying oh damn, I'm not even saying that the refs was like cheating per se, it's just.
Speaker 2:They just get breaks, man, and it's like, and it's not even like necessarily from the refs, it's just like they're one team where every 50-50 situation is going to go pro chiefs regardless so now that I think about that catch, I think the real reason why they didn't reverse it is because they actually even they have run a play after that and they went back and reviewed it, which I thought was crazy because usually, like, if there's a controversial call and the team gets up and runs a play, like you can't challenge the call to the play before, but they, because you remember they ran the ball after that and then they was like oh, it was a challenge flag, they actually let the team challenge. It wasn't even like a booth review. So the Eagles, yeah, I mean I've seen him throughout the flag.
Speaker 3:Like they, just they. They didn't get the playoff in time, yeah they did. Once a play is complete, then no, it was.
Speaker 2:he ran the ball, he was tackled.
Speaker 3:But it didn't count though, vernon, they can't after a play is ran and that play actually counts, then nah, they can't go back.
Speaker 2:I hear you, I know that. I'm just saying like I watched it and I was like they ran the play. He got tackled, he got up, and then they was like no, there's a challenge flag. And then like they just wiped that play clean.
Speaker 3:Vernon no bro, that's not how this works.
Speaker 2:I remember, listen, I know it don't work that way. I remember I was being angry about it because I'm like how did they let them challenge after they had?
Speaker 3:Because it was before I watched it, it was before they blew the play dead. After the play starts and the flag is not out, they can't stop it. He threw the flag out, but I don't even understand how you, regardless of when it came out, how do you review that and say that, oh yeah, he caught it. Dude just had an arm in there. He never once had possession of that ball, not one time. He still don't have possession of that ball, not one time he still don't have possession of the ball. And it's what? Three days later, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I I think when the ball touched the ground, you you say it's down, but it's a 50 50, it's a 50 50 ball. Most of the time it goes the offense way, so like even if simultaneously both players have simultaneously though I'm just saying, I know I'm just saying. Most times, when there's simultaneous possession and there's no clear cut on who had the ball, the ball usually award the catch to the offense.
Speaker 3:I know that that's if there was simultaneous possession of the ball. So the defender had the ball the whole time Dude's arm was damn near trapped in there, if you watch it. He didn't even have both hands on the ball, he just had his hand in between the guy catching the ball in the ball like he didn't.
Speaker 2:he never had possession of the ball so, but did he end up with the ball?
Speaker 3:no, he never.
Speaker 2:He never had the ball no, I'm just saying so like worthy to the ball. So the defender ended up with the ball and they gave the catch to worthy yeah, that's exactly what happened absolutely. I just I didn't see that worthy got up with the ball.
Speaker 3:I've seen worthy have one hand on the ball, like what I'm saying is, when the, when the play was, when the play was over, he did not have possession of the. He never had possession of the ball. During the play, he never had possession of the ball.
Speaker 2:So the play he never had possession of the ball so he never had a hand on it. So the defender had it the whole time and they gave Worthy the catch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, his hand was the guy that Worthy's hand was trapped inside of the guy with the ball. Yes, that's exactly what happened. Go back and watch it. I don't have, I'm not just making this shit up Cause you're asking me questions, I'm not asking you. I saw it. I know exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:I saw it too why are you asking me what happened? Because I don't believe that's what happened. The only thing I seen that didn't make it a catch was the fact that the tip of the ball touched the ground.
Speaker 3:See, I'm not even concerned with that, because the ball can hit the ground. If it was possessed, the ball hit the ground, it didn't move. So I would have whoever had possession of it at that point. I mean, yeah, I don't the ball. The ball didn't move when it hit the ground. So the ball by rule, the ball can touch the ground as long as it does not move. It doesn't like nobody loses possession of it, which that didn't happen. But it certainly wasn't him possessing the ball, like it was the defender. Defender had two hands on the ball, worthy. If the defender had caught it differently, worthy wouldn't have had any chance at it at all because he never had position of the ball.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I just okay. So he has one hand on the ball. He goes down to the ground. Yeah, Wait a minute. He puts his other hand over the ball.
Speaker 3:that's after the play is done, I'm not trying to argue about this, bro. I saw what I saw, like I don't know. He's always turning the knit for tit for tat, like situations like you just said.
Speaker 2:He put his second hand on the ball on the ground right no, he was still in the air, but he had one hand on the ball. You said he never caught the ball and I'm telling you so he.
Speaker 3:So he caught the ball with one hand, while the dude had two hands on him right and when he, before he hit the ground, he pulled another over the ball so one. So a guy caught the ball with one hand, while the other guy, while the defender, has two hands on the ball. Is what you're telling?
Speaker 2:in the air they he had two. The defender has two hands on the ball is what you're telling me? In the air he had two the defender had two hands on the ball.
Speaker 1:I have it paused. Yes, it is actually Okay. You can't get.
Speaker 2:You have to go to the ground with the ball. That completes the catch.
Speaker 3:Bro. All right, I'm so tired of talking about this. All right, what's next? What do we got? You just be trying to argue to the, to the about silly stuff, like it's over and gone now okay, I mean, is that what?
Speaker 2:we're not supposed to talk about these type of things? I mean.
Speaker 3:But you like, you just you be trying to like just be confrontational about, so I should just.
Speaker 2:The game is over right, I know, but I'm just, I mean this, I mean, but we can talk our job. We're talking about the game I get it bro two, two. We were just talking about one hand never beats two hands on a football unless you put your hand on the ball before so so the guy loses possession just because he never lost possession, second hand on the ball after he has possession of he never lost possession. His other arm never came off the ball. I can see if the defender he never had the ball.
Speaker 3:So he never had the ball With one hand. Bro, what are you watching? He never had possession of the ball One hand. So a guy A guy with both hands on the ball, he's got the ball cradled. The other guy's hand is just in the mix. Just cause he puts a second hand on After, the fact means he has possession of the ball. That is not how it works. It was a bad play, it was a bad review, just like always, and it went pro-chiefs. We're used to it. This is normal, and I'm not even wanting to blame the refs. I mean, I've watched the games Like shit just always goes their way and, like I said prior to this, I'm not even speaking on just the refs Like they're just a fortunate team, like their fourth down play calls they be working all the time. Nobody else just has the kind of success that they have in the situations where they need it and that's kudos to them, I agree.
Speaker 2:In their team.
Speaker 3:I'm showing.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you can see what I'm sharing.
Speaker 3:I'm not even looking at it.
Speaker 2:Good, so he has one hand on the ball right now.
Speaker 1:He gets to the ground and puts another hand on the ball Lost.
Speaker 2:But he has the hand on the ball. But he has the hand on his ball.
Speaker 3:He has two hands on the ball, but the defender has already had two hands on the ball before.
Speaker 2:Okay, but who goes to the ground with possession? This is simultaneous possession. What I said? Right, Nobody has possession right now with four hands on the ball, what? That's what you're saying, there's four hands on the ball. Two for the defender and two for the offensive player. You're telling me nobody has the ball. The guy had two first.
Speaker 3:When he had two. The guy had none, dude, remember? That's where the ball Look. He ain't even trying to catch the ball, he's trying to break the ball. The guy's hand hit the ground first. He's not even trying to catch the ball at that point, he's trying to brace his fall. And he's not even trying to catch the ball at that point. He's trying to brace his fall. And then after it he reaches his hand up and they gave him possession. Look at it again. You said he put the ground, dude was catching his ball with the.
Speaker 3:I paused it with him being on the ground with both I literally had one hand on the ground as he was hitting the ground. Vernon, what are you seeing? He did not, you just showed it. So he didn't brace his fall with his left hand.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I'm going to rewind it again.
Speaker 3:His left hand is on the ground, bro.
Speaker 2:So right here he has one arm on the ball and one coming over the other side. I'm crazy as hell.
Speaker 3:Is that not his left hand on the ground right now, Right?
Speaker 2:right, so this is still wait a minute. But are they still in the air? He's bracing his fall. How is he catching the football? Bracing his fall and then he puts his hand on it's over At that point it's over.
Speaker 3:He didn't catch it. He's on the ground, it's done.
Speaker 2:So do you have to continue to? When you make a catch, can you by yourself catch the ball fall to the ground, ball come out and they still give you a catch.
Speaker 3:Bro, he's not even trying to catch the ball. He's not even making an attempt to catch the ball, bro. His left hand is bracing his fall. He's trying to prevent injury at this point, okay.
Speaker 2:But a completed catch, you have to go all the way to the ground Right, is that not true? I'm asking.
Speaker 3:I'm done talking about this, bro. Of course I'm talking about this. This is stupid. I don't even know why we're talking about this.
Speaker 2:Because we're just talking about things going the cheap way.
Speaker 3:This is unbelievable.
Speaker 2:She said it was a bad call. I just don't think it was a bad call.
Speaker 3:All right, you got it what we got.
Speaker 2:But throughout the game, like I said, I think this was probably the most evenly reffed game. Just because everybody say all the calls go the Chiefs way, I think this was probably closely reffed as any game that's been relatively close for the Chiefs but the Eagles I think they missed some opportunities. I don't think they you mean the- Bills, or the Bills or the Eagles.
Speaker 3:Now the Bills. Yeah, I'm clearly on drugs right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, my bad, I misspoke the Bills. I don't think they ran it enough. I don't think they gave Josh Allen, I don't think they gave josh allen enough opportunities to take control of the game. Um, what about that? That last play, uh, that? Uh, kincaid the corner blitz, yeah, oh, think about that play the chiefs.
Speaker 3:Just I mean great play calls, but like how you not see that and how you not pick that up is just great. It's just like what annoys me the most about the chiefs is that they do stuff that other teams should be aware of but they aren't for some reason, like it blows my mind, like some of the stuff they do just wouldn't work for other teams. It's just like it's a corner blitz. Like that's not a that's not a foreign like tactic. That's not a foreign like tactic. Like that's not anything brand new, it's a corner blitz.
Speaker 2:And the thing is, the Chiefs do it quite often, but that game they didn't send any corners. That whole game they literally waited to that moment where they needed a stop to send one.
Speaker 2:So I guess, in a sense you're kind of thinking like okay, they haven't sent the corner all day, which normally they do it like once or twice a game. They usually send the nickel though, um, but to be out there by itself and sent, I thought that was a genius call. When I seen that I was like wow, but him still getting it off and almost getting it to king k was absolutely, I thought he was just throwing it up with a prayer.
Speaker 3:He was actually open. He was Granted. He couldn't step into it and do a natural throw and finish the throw, but he was open. Like I said, that's another thing. Against my team, against your team, he converts that easily. Converts that easily but it just seems like against the Chiefs nothing ever works and in everything Chiefs try, I mean, it's just like as a quarterback, bro, this is fourth in game. Like you got to, even if he don't come, you got to like acknowledge him and it might.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's so much going on. I just think in that moment, like that call was just so gutsy and it's like who would do this? I think maybe even Josh Allen was thinking, or even the Bills were thinking, like there's no way you're going to blitz a corner, like a one-on-one corner, like this wasn't like in a bunch, and you know me where it was confusing, he was over there solo, like there's no way you're blitzing the safety was kind of cheating over, so like that should have shown them that the corner is probably coming.
Speaker 3:I mean, this is football 101. This isn't like high level. You know what I'm saying. Like, as you're getting ready for the snap you're looking at, like Cam Newton says the safeties will tell you everything you need to know, and like the safety was kind of cheap because that corner is his responsibility so he can't stay at home. You know what I'm saying. He has to like kind of cheat over. And granted, the Chiefs are excellent at disguising coverages, sending crazy blitzes, like they're good at that. Like I'm not trying to take anything away from them. But at the same time it's like come on, this is fourth for the game, with a trip to the championship on the road, and you let a corner blitz just get in untouched.
Speaker 2:But see on the road and you let a corner blitz just get in untouched, like but see, and then normally with a, with a, with a blitz or any blitz, most of the time you see the person looking like they're ready to to blitz. You know what I mean. They got one foot back like they look like they're ready to take off. The corner was just manned up, yeah, yeah he never moved off his man, like that was that's. That's the part that I seen. That was like crazy i'm'm.
Speaker 3:Like he didn't show blitz at all, like nobody showed blitz, he did it well and yeah, I mean shout out to them, man, they got the pressure. That's one thing. I don't know if I was telling y'all or telling somebody else. I can't remember I was having this conversation with somebody. But when the Chiefs blitz, they get in every single time. It's almost hard to even understand why they don't just blitz every down, because when they blitz it gets home every single time. Now there's countless times where I've watched my team blitz, I've watched other teams blitz, teams block it. You know what I'm saying. It's just blocked, they keep them out, no real pressure is applied.
Speaker 3:When the Chiefs blitz, they they have two, three guys running up through every single time and like that's great. I don't know if that's like, I don't know what it is like. I mean I guess it's skill, but they they get in. Because even against uh, uh, the texans that last, that last drive for, uh, cj Stroud, the last two plays, they said we're blitzing and we're going to get in, like you're not going to be able to throw the ball and the last two plays, nothing happening. So this is like man. It's like when you can, as a defensive coordinator, you can dial up a blitz that you know, is going to get home every single time. That's crazy. That's a crazy luxury to have and that's crazy. Yeah, that's a crazy luxury to have and that's something that that the chiefs have and it's not.
Speaker 2:It's nothing anybody can do with it, like they haven't lost a meaningful football game in three years and it's so timely, like the time, like I like, I like again, like not to keep harping on it, but it's the time of that blitz, like when they call it. I think they just know the right moment where the team is just not expecting. I think that's why I like what you're saying, like they get in so much.
Speaker 3:It's like the team ain't even thinking like this, ain't time they're gonna blitz and then it's just like boom, I wonder I wonder what they're, what the quarterback's um qBR is against Chiefs Blitz? That'll be an interesting stat because you know like some guys are good against the Blitz, like Patrick Mahomes will chop you up in the Blitz. There's a few guys, there's a few. Your best quarterbacks are good against the Blitz, you know, because when you Blitz them they have, you know, outlets. So some quarterbacks are good against the blitz. Like I can't see anybody doing anything against their blitz. Granted, my guy has, has had some success like I don't know how, but he's had some success against against the chiefs. I mean, I guess he's good at it or I don't know. Their blitz is just crazy, like yeah, and it's when. It's when the game is on the line and they send a blitz, bro, it's over. You might as well just lay the ball on the ground because it's over. You're not getting that pass off, it's a wrap.
Speaker 2:You really have to do something exceptional at the end of the game to really convert on the Chiefs. And I think the Bills and I ain't gonna lie, I was nervous. I mean I wanted the Chiefs to win, but I was nervous about them playing the Bills, because the last probably five games the Bills done played they really looked unstoppable. It's like okay, either you're gonna crowd the box and they're gonna throw the short pass on the outside you know what I mean or it's gonna be a rpo with josh allen where, hey, you give it to cook or you can run it yourself. Like right.
Speaker 2:It's just like how do you really defend them and their receivers? Like nobody's like super greedy, or there's no um divas on there, so like whoever gets the ball is like cool, we're getting the ball, you, nobody's complaining. So it's like, really, one of these bills seemed just like all right, like we're moving as a team in the right direction, and it's like I was like man, this may be too much for them, like it may just be too much for the chiefs, but it's like patrick mahomes, it's like what the hell do you gotta do? What do you gotta do?
Speaker 3:yeah, and they all. Another thing that annoys me about them, too, is they always seem to do just enough to win. I can't remember the last time they've won by two scores, it's probably been almost two years. The last time they've beat somebody by two scores. It's always one score. It always comes down to one or two plays and they always get those one or two plays and that decides the game every single time.
Speaker 2:Definitely not this year. I would be surprised to see if they won by two scores. Definitely not this year.
Speaker 3:Let's just throw out the last game that they blew on purpose. 15-1 and not having beat anybody by two scores is crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:And then I'm also thinking that they make the NFL playoffs too easy. Bro, they got to get rid of the bye. In my opinion, I don't like it. They got to get rid of the bye. Make my opinion. I don't like it. They got to get rid of the bye. Make everybody play three games to get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:You think so?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do I mean I'm curious on why. I just feel like it's too easy. I mean, come out, win two home games and you're in the Super Bowl, like that's. I just don't like it. I think every team should have to. It should be an A-team playoff on each side. You should have to win three games and then you get to the Super Bowl. I just think it's too easy. Granted, I mean, you reward the team and this is just my opinion, because I know you're getting ready to try?
Speaker 3:No, no, this is just my opinion. I just think that I don't think that there should be a buy, because I mean you think it devalues the regular season no, I don't think it devalues anything, I just think it.
Speaker 3:It makes it like like, uh, even level of competitiveness for all teams, like I mean, granted, you're still going to get the number one seed, so you're still going to get to play the worst team in the playoffs. And then you know I'm saying it's going, you're still going to work to play the worst team in the playoffs and then you know what I'm saying, it's going to you still going to work out just like. It's just like in a 64 tournament, the top to rank team don't get a buy. Like they got to play all the games Like, so I think that they should NBA. They don't get no buys. So why? Why does NFL get a buy? I mean, I know baseball does too, but I just and I mean I know baseball does too, but I just and then we saw how the Bison screwed up the college football playoff. All those teams lost in their first game. But it's just like. I mean that doesn't really mean anything for what we're talking about, but I just, I don't agree with it.
Speaker 2:Make them play games, and I guess that does benefit a team too, because it lets an extra playoff team in or cuts one out, because then either you have to go to six teams or you have to go to eight teams. Yeah, you'd have to go to eight.
Speaker 3:Because six teams. You'd have to have two teams to get a bye, Because that wouldn't.
Speaker 2:Well, six teams, I mean, you just play one less game, I guess technically.
Speaker 3:I mean, but you wouldn't be able to have like an actual bracket though. Technically I mean, but you wouldn't be able to have like an actual bracket though. So basically, after the first week you'll have three teams left, and then that's not going to work.
Speaker 2:Oh well, yeah, I guess they always have to be in two, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it has to be. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a bull by two. I don't think of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:No, I got you, I get. Well, I mean because I mean we've had teams that have had buys, that arrested players at the end of the season. Yeah and got cracked. It got cracked, yeah, so I mean I don't think it plays a bigger part, but I mean I agree with letting one more team in. I mean more football is always way better, so but trying to fit, I mean I guess you just play four games of four games. I mean but yeah, nah, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
Speaker 3:Especially with the best home field advantage in the in the NFL. Arguably it'd be cold too. It's just like it's too favorable to me, like it's almost like if it was a home game, like in a dome or something, like say, it was at like Los Angeles or some shit. I feel like that's what. It's just too like. Easy is a bad word.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was about to say I don't know if easy is the right word.
Speaker 3:It's easier for you know that number one seed to do what they do. But the Chiefs didn't have the number one seed last year and they still got it done.
Speaker 2:And there's been teams that went in the wild card, like and then went all the way through.
Speaker 3:We was a wild card. We played three games. We went to Tennessee, then we went to Buffalo and then we went to Kansas City and went on to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:So I'm like it definitely can be done, but that I think if it was more of a like a scale where you seen like teams with buys just overwhelmingly did better than teams without it, I think they were like, okay, maybe there's an unfair advantage with the Chiefs getting like what?
Speaker 2:24 days or something. The rest like, okay, maybe that's an unfair advantage, but it's like also to another end they looking at it like okay, well, we, we did what we had to do in the regular season. You know what I mean. Like can we get something for that?
Speaker 3:um, I also don't like how they reshuffle the uh the thing too, like based on who wins.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, where the seeding go, where you know I don't like the reseeding either. I don't like that so the worst team play the best team.
Speaker 3:You don't like that no, that's cool I'm talking about. The reseeding is not what I like because you know how it works. Based on the, the number one seed gets the worst remaining team yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the worst team plays the best.
Speaker 3:So basically, after the first week, they reseed them all, of course the number one seed is gonna that's what I was saying the worst team plays the best team. So basically, after the first week, they re-seed them all. Of course the number one seed is going to. That's their first game, they're going to stay the number one, but then they rank them by the best teams. After that week, just leave it. Just leave it how it is. Make it eight teams, one through eight, one plays eight, so forth and so on, and it just moves up.
Speaker 2:Yes, I see what you mean, kind of like basketball, say what now? I said kind of like basketball, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:Exactly that's the changes that I would make.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it kind of in a sense makes you like okay, well, in order to be the best, you got to beat the best. Like it kind of makes you work. But then, like you, you say in college football it didn't matter, like you know what I mean, like the best teams lost and you had a what a three seed and a what a six seed play or seven seed or something like that.
Speaker 3:Whatever notice I can't keep up. It was all. It was messy yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I mean, I don't know if seeding matters either, like I agree with you like either you can really leave it alone, because it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3:And then it was crazy because I keep getting confused because we were the eight and Notre Dame was the five, but in the AP poll Notre Dame was three, I think, or something like that. So it's kind of like, what are we doing? Yeah, because again we was complaining about that, because how do you have a team ranked 11th but they're not in the what are we doing?
Speaker 2:yeah, because, because, again, we was complaining about that. Because, like, how do you have a team ranked 11th but they're not in the playoff of 12? So like, yeah, no, we were talking about that but then in the nfl is the same thing. It's like, okay, we win our conference, that automatically puts us in the top four.
Speaker 3:Then you got automatically, regardless of somebody's record, right against the eight nine team or some shit like that exactly you could be you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Whatever, like 12 and 12 and 5 you know what I mean and play against, like you said, the 8-9 team at their home. It's like we had I always agreed to. Like that should be bumped. Like it should be based on record. Like that, the playoff scene should always be based on record. Like you said, um, I don't care if they receded after it, but initially, like you should be where your record is. Um, you should conference check who you won your conference championship hell, get your banner, whatever. But as far as playoff scene, if you had a bad record, then the teams who played better in the season should be rewarded because the dominant division, like like in the NFC, like the NFC North, like you know, a lot of those teams play well. It's like, okay, you got Minnesota, green Bay and the lions. It's like they play better than a lot of other teams. You know Buccaneers, like they automatically get seated higher because of a bad NFC South.
Speaker 3:Like I think that I don't know. They lose this round to the lower seed. Well specifically the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2:Right, right, yeah, so I think that's like I agree with that part, Like recede it afterwards if you want to, but initially, like you should be where your record are, and I think that would kind of funnel it out to play it out the way you say it anyway. Uh, they wouldn't even have to move anything.
Speaker 3:So um, so the eagles, the eagle gang, versus the commanders. That was crazy, that game, listening to it on the radio on the way back and that was embarrassing.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, hats off to the washington, to the washington commanders. Even getting that far with a rookie qb and what they did that season definitely commendable, uh, especially after a complete organization reset where it looked like they were probably set back five years, like they clearly are heading in the right direction, but dang yeah, that's, that's unfortunate, like, and it's like man I.
Speaker 3:It humbled me for real because I'm always talking about how bad our defense is. 55 points in the playoff game, it's crazy. And then it's like same bro, I would be. I'd be on suicide watch if my guys give up 55 points in a playoff game In the playoffs With a defensive head coach Derrick Quinn.
Speaker 2:defensive head coach.
Speaker 3:I mean, I see that they did have three fumbles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, turnovers was clearly the one.
Speaker 3:They gave up eight TDs, seven Russian TDs. Come on, man yeah.
Speaker 2:You know Philly is primarily rushing Like again. I don't think Jalen Hurst is fully healthy enough to really pass, throw the ball 30, 40 times. But you know what Saquon going to do. You know their game plan. It's like, if nothing else, I would rather J hirsch try to beat me on the ground. If you go and run the qb option, fine and let him keep it. But what we're not gonna do is let saquon get in. It's just time at the time, at the time, at the time, at the time. And then they put the backup in. He went off and it's like they put anybody back there and run and they was missing the center, the starting center. Like it was crazy, like that was truly embarrassing. And I said that I went for the commanders, I thought the commanders would have a chance, but geez.
Speaker 2:Yeah that was pretty brutal. Almost didn't want to show my face, but I think they'll be back. The NFC East isn't the toughest division right now Outside of the Eagles. I mean, the Cowboys aren't doing anything. Who knows what that's going to be with this new coach, which everybody's talking crazy about, and the Giants again has been the Giants for a very long time, so I don't see them making this huge splash to change anything anytime soon. So we got the Chiefs and Eagles. Man, how do you think they match up?
Speaker 3:Chiefs is going to win. Whatever game the Eagles want to play, the Chiefs is going to play it better. Whether it's a shootout, chiefs are going to come out top. Whether it's better, whether it's a shootout, chiefs are going to come out top. Whether it's a low scoring game, chiefs are going to come out top. Turnovers, penalties chiefs are going. They're just going to get it done like there's nothing to prove that. There's nothing that that will support them. Not getting it done like it's just it's over. I mean I can even see saquon going for 225 and the Chiefs winning. Like, honestly, it just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, like I just can't see a situation in which they lose.
Speaker 3:They just they've proved that they can just play Any kind of style, whatever kind of game you want to play, if you want to play it tough and in trenches, if you want to air it out, if you want to. Whatever kind of game you want to play if you want to play it tough and in trenches, if you want to air it out, if you want to, uh, whatever kind of game you want to play. So it's almost like they can let the eagles dictate. You know what game, what game you try to play. You want to go back and forth? We can do that. Y'all want to play a defensive game? We can do that. Whatever kind of game we playing, the chiefs is going to play it better and they're going to win. Like, I see zero chance that the Eagles win this game. Like I said, saquon could go for 225. Hurts could go for 350.
Speaker 2:They'll still lose and somehow the Chiefs will pull it out. I agree, man, it's very hard to just go against the Chiefs, right?
Speaker 3:now it is so hard, I can do it, bro. They haven't lost a game in three years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very hard.
Speaker 3:And I know that that was going to be the last game that they was going to lose to us. Man, they could have just had it Like go ahead, bro, you got it big dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nah, I'm trying to envision a way that the Eagles win this game and, like outside of, just sheer and utter dominance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bro.
Speaker 2:Play keep away. You could try that, but people have tried that before. It's not going to work.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you do. It's not going to work. Kelsey's going to be wide open. Nobody's going to guard him.
Speaker 2:And even last game I think Kelsey had had what maybe two, three catches. I barely heard his name and it was still like you said.
Speaker 3:Guys could go off, guys could not do anything. Patrick Mahomes can throw 117 yards. Patrick Mahomes can throw 350. Whatever, however, the flow of the game is, they're going to come out on top. They truly seem invincible, literally invincible, bro.
Speaker 2:So a three-peat like? Okay then let's just put this hypothetical out there, since we both believe the Chiefs are going to win Three-peat. Where does this put him on? Like all time, I guess this Chiefs organization and I guess Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback Organization up there.
Speaker 3:but I feel like when you're doing an organization, you have to go based off championships. I agree.
Speaker 2:That's why I wanted to put that in there too because I don't want to put it just by quarterback, yeah but by quarterback I mean he's max, can't he?
Speaker 3:he's? He's maxed out. Like people can say, oh, brady's better. Or like I, I can't sit. I can't sit here with a straight face and say, no way Tom Brady's a better quarterback than Patrick Holmes Can't say that I don't care if he had one touchdown. What he, what he does on the football field, is crazy. I don't care if he had one touchdown. What he does on the football field is crazy. So like I don't really know who I would say is better. But there's definitely an argument for both guys. Like Patrick Mahomes is maxed out, like from a real football head. Like there's nothing more that he can do to make me feel any kind of way about him, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:No, I agree.
Speaker 3:In my mind he's maxed out I agree, he doesn't play another snap, he's already solidified.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I agree, I mean first three-peat ever, if that happens. Crazy in itself. I think that by itself just separates him, but to have four. That's more than a lot. That's more than 80% of the NFL organization.
Speaker 3:He's only seven years in seven, eight years in bro, just think if he plays.
Speaker 2:He could probably get another seven.
Speaker 3:He could play another 10. He could play another 13,. Bro, if he plays another seven, he could play another 10. Like he could play another 13, bro, if you want to yeah, the way, especially way the nfl is now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, people said that it probably wasn't gonna be a chance of nobody catching brady before my homes won his first one, but he's getting close. That is very visible Now.
Speaker 3:I have lost a meaningful football game in three years is pretty damn close.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that we may just homes, may just be on watch, and who knows, if that too much pressure on him to for people to say, hey, look, you're going to go for seven, or you know, is it what motivates him to go for seven? Because four, you could really sit back and be like, well, shit, who all has four?
Speaker 3:some teams, like you said, some teams don't even have four. That's what I'm saying. I don't even know. That's what I don't know any.
Speaker 2:I don't know another quarterback that has four Montana.
Speaker 3:That's really it. How many does Young have?
Speaker 2:I think Young only has two yeah I think, martana has four because he's four for four, ain't he? Yeah, martana? He's never lost a superbowl, so he's four for four. Um, and patrick has four. I think, yeah, bro, like like you said, I don't. I think, like you said, max out. I don't think, like you said, if he retired after this superbowl, if he wins and if he never played again right tonight. Yeah even again, again, having three, we could go out there and throw five picks Super Bowl if he wins and never play again.
Speaker 3:Again, he could go out there and throw five picks on Super Bowl Sunday, and it wouldn't change my opinion on anything. Still, first ballot.
Speaker 2:All, everything.
Speaker 3:Arguably the greatest football player ever. He's done so much already. There's nothing else that he can do to bump him up in my opinion. I guess some people would to like bump him up in my opinion. I mean, I guess some people would disagree with, but in my opinion that's a wrap no, you don't gotta play another snap for me.
Speaker 2:I agree, I agree uh, yeah, yeah, man, he's, he's tall order man. It's gonna be tough to surpass anything he's done and it's crazy that we just said that about brady what four years ago.
Speaker 3:But like this dude. And the thing with brady is like he. He's had some dynamic years, but a lot of them early ones, like defensive it's.
Speaker 3:You know, I'm saying like, and now I feel like patrick mahomes is, their defense is really good. I think their defense is underomes. Their defense is really good. I think their defense is underrated. Their defense is really good and like this season, I feel like the defense carried them through. But then like this past game I mean like those fourth down runs like he was running, and that's another thing Like they never I don't want to say they never get hurt, but he's had some scary occurrences and he never Wrap it up and limp his.
Speaker 2:Look, here he go. You think he out the game. He back out there flicking his fingers. Man, that's just I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's amazing, man. It's amazing.
Speaker 2:What a time to be alive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the football gods love Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs boy. Yeah, yeah, I mean they talk to trash too. Back it up, pause. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:I agree, I agree, man so man Super Bowl. Was it 59?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What's the plan, man? What are we doing for the Super Bowl? I don't know, man. Javon told me to ask you. She said see what the Lewis's are doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm pretty it's whatever. Let me get with Nikki and just solidify some things. But I mean, it's whatever. I ain't really tripping, we can do it. I'll give you a definite answer. What's today? Definite answer this weekend.
Speaker 2:And if y'all don't want to host, bro, we can definitely have something at our house.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm down for whatever.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't have as many TVs as you.
Speaker 3:We probably wouldn't be in here watching it. Anyway, if it's like a group of people, we'd probably be out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know how we norm the men and women usually at some point just separate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, but you know there ain't going to be nothing else on during the Super Bowl, right, right, all these TVs ain't even going to really even make no difference.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 3:So yeah, let me get with her, and then we'll figure something out.
Speaker 2:bro, for sure I'll let you know, all right, cool man. Well, let's shoot. Man, well, shoot. That's really it, man. Ain't nothing really going on. Nba is going to be NBA. We'll cover that over the next couple of weeks after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3:Like we're just going to go by the Sixers with no Embiid or Paul George, like crazy. And I'll tell you what. They were up early. They were up like 19-8 or 19-9 or some shit like that. And then they subbed Bronny in. I'm like dang, he's getting some first quarter minutes. At that point they got slid the rest of the game, absolutely slid the rest of the game. I'm not saying that it was his fault, but that's when the tide turned. When they brought him in the game, the Sixers never looked back. They got the lead and they never relinquished it. They was down like I want to say like 19. It was like 17-9 or 19-9 or something like that. And then they finished out the first quarter I want to say like 25 all or 28 all, something like that and then they beat them the rest of the game. They ended up winning by, I think, like 12.
Speaker 2:But they was up by like like 20 something late in the fourth. So but I mean, at this point the sixers should be, you know, accustomed to not playing without, to playing without those two, you still shouldn't have enough time.
Speaker 3:Oh, ad did go out injured. I did fail to mention that. So, um, hopefully he gets back soon. And whoever's watching, uh, yeah, I, I guess that does make a, because I think finally he's the best player on the team. Finally, yeah, I still don't see it like in, like up, like he's still like a slow-mo, like a you know. Just he plays like he feels sorry for himself or something. I don't know, like his motions just aren't I agree.
Speaker 2:They're not aggressive motions.
Speaker 3:Like from a damn near 7-footer. It's just different. But I mean, yeah, he's definitely the best player on the team. That team wouldn't be anywhere near the position that they're in now if Anthony Davis was on the team. And that's crazy, because usually LeBron will have whatever team, whatever.
Speaker 2:Nah, not yeah, and I think it's been that way for a couple years. He hasn't been carrying. He leads the team, but I don't think he carries the team.
Speaker 3:I think LeBron has been carrying this team up until this year. For sure, you think so. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:When I think about LeBron carrying the team, there's so many great instances of him playing so much better. I mean carrying teams, so that's why I think like he probably leads.
Speaker 3:That's what makes it hard to believe. Like I agree, like I agree, but yeah, like these past three years, years, like he's still been more consistent than ad until this year, I think ad's finally turned that corner where he's been more consistent than lebron, because lebron's at that 22, 24. We've never seen that since what rookie year, second year yeah second year we haven't seen a 22, but it's still so constant though it's still a 22, 8, and 7. Every game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes you get a 30, a 35-pointer.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean you know it's every game 22, 24, 8, and 7. God damn. But you know Andy Davis had like 43 and 23 last night or something crazy like that. So I think he's finally starting to be the engine that makes the Lakers go. And I think LeBron is just complimentary. But I mean, with the defense being played how it's being played like they better figure it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:I mean this is the time because after the All-Star break and the trade deadline, like now, it's playoff push, Like everybody's playing for playoffs.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. It's all or nothing right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so.
Speaker 3:We're going to lock in.
Speaker 2:Hopefully, but man, that's all I got. Man, anything else, man, interesting, anything you want to define?
Speaker 3:I do want to apologize for getting like we got into it earlier in the episode. I feel like I mean it's I'm all for a good conversation, but I mean, you know I probably got a little bit more agitated than I should have been, but I mean it is what it is first off anybody who's ever watched our show.
Speaker 3:If this is bound to happen, maybe, but I think I think, like I think this hit a nerve, like just because, not because of the chiefs, but it's just like I don't even really know why. We were even like really like you know, I'm saying like I don't know how it got there basically is why I was kind of aggravated.
Speaker 2:But I think this is because the conversation like we were just talking about, like you know, just the maybe it's the frustration of the chiefs always figuring out a way, like even when you think there's no way. It's like even when there's probably a 90 chance this call shouldn't go this way. It just did um and you can pick.
Speaker 3:It was just picking up what I'm apologizing for wasn't that deep. But, um, yeah, it is what it is and at least I'm man enough to admit that the Chiefs are good Like the shit that they do. It be working Like that fourth down like bootleg, like it's crazy, bro. Like it's crazy. That's why, like it's.
Speaker 1:Very simple play.
Speaker 3:Bro, and like I know the Chiefs are going to be the favorite and I still think I'm going to probably bet on the Chiefs because, like, even if I'm just going to win a dollar every 10, like bro, they're going to win. It's just I don't see a situation in which they lose that game. I'm sorry and I'm still. I'm still. Y'all know how I feel about Jalen Hurts. Like he's definitely suitable, but like bro, I'm not. He's damn near the reason they lost the Super Bowl last time they played the Chiefs. That turnover right before half when the ball just popped out of his hand, that shit cost him big time. So it's just like I'm still not Granted. I mean, he's grown from that. That was two years ago, I believe, but I'm still. I'm just not. I'm not big on him, like everybody else is. So we'll see. Hopefully we get a good game. We probably will, because the Chiefs they're going to make it a one-score game but they're just going to win. Man, it's just. I see no situation in which they lose that ball game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we probably. I mean, because we got a whole week, they got media week next week. So there's nothing going on, man, I don't know, we might not have a show.
Speaker 1:It won't really be anything we're not talking about Pro Bowl or anything like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying Exactly.
Speaker 2:It's kind of pointless there. We'll take a week off and we'll come. What?
Speaker 3:Two weeks, really, maybe, because That'd be two weeks before the Super Bowl, because it's that Sunday, nah, but if we take off next Tuesday, the Super Bowl is going to be that following Sunday, so that next Tuesday we can talk about the Super Bowl. So like today is the 28th, the 4th we take off, right right, but the 11th we'll be back, because the Super Bowl would have been the 9th. Okay, okay, I see what you're saying, okay.
Speaker 2:Super Bowl would have been the ninth. Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. Okay, all right, fourth, ninth, then 11th. Okay, got you, got you. Yeah, right, whoa, yeah. So we'll take that week off and we'll recap the Super Bowl in all its glory. Hopefully it's a good game. I believe it's going to be a good game. Yeah, it'll be a good game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it'll be a good game. I feel like it'll be a good game. Hopefully We'll see. I feel like it'll be a good game though. Yeah, because, like I said, the Chiefs ain't blowing nobody out. No, they're going to do enough to win, like for sure.
Speaker 2:But again, they don't have to. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's horrible to say that All.