E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Unpredictable Victories: Analyzing NFL and College Football Playoff Chaos
Can an unexpected victory flip the script of an entire NFL season? Join us as we discuss the Cincinnati Bengals' narrow win and the Kansas City Chiefs' surprising triumph, reflecting on what these results mean for the league's unpredictable nature. We dissect the intensity of the NBA playoffs, drawing attention to pivotal matchups featuring the Bucks, Magic, Knicks, and Hawks. Also, unravel the college football conference championship games with us, where we ponder whether they should boost teams' resumes without tipping the scales with automatic favoritism.
Discover why strength of schedule should be a crucial element in the college football playoff selection process. We scrutinize the fairness of automatic playoff spots for conference champions, particularly from less competitive conferences, and debate potential restructuring for fairer competition. Listen to our candid takes on the discrepancies faced by teams like Clemson and the need for a more subjective evaluation system that accurately measures team performance across varied schedules.
Ever wondered how the NFL playoff picture is shaping up? We dive into the chaotic landscape of both the AFC and NFC, pondering playoff scenarios and sharing game predictions for teams like the Colts, Broncos, and Lions. Join our spirited debate as we weigh in on potential surprises and personal picks, including a tentative nod towards the Packers over the Seahawks. As we wrap up our episode, we share our weekend plans, highlighting key games that promise to deliver edge-of-the-seat excitement.
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Speaker 2:The episode of the Epic Podcast is me and Jared in the house tonight. John and Justin should be joining us a little later. John just moved, so he's working on internet and justin's just saving the world every day. So, uh, we get in here. So, uh, how was your sports weekend bro?
Speaker 4:uh, sure, I mean it was good. I mean you always get me with that question, I don't really know every week. It's just like I mean I'd be having to remember what I even watched. It was cool. I guess Nothing really happened for me, sports wise, I'm chilling though.
Speaker 2:Okay, we got John in here too. Yo, yo, can you hear me, john, can you hear?
Speaker 1:me John, I can Can you hear us?
Speaker 4:I don't even think he can see us. He's not even reacting to us.
Speaker 2:Hey, can you see us, you good? Oh, he's saying hold on, okay, all right. Well, I mean, hey, the Bengals won last night.
Speaker 4:Yeah, barely.
Speaker 2:Barely. But I mean, hey, they made a play.
Speaker 4:I don't even count shit like that. We got one of them.
Speaker 2:Kansas City Chiefs wins, though, man hey, for sure, hey, definitely one of those wins. Gift-wrapped, signed, sealed, delivered, joints yeah, though for sure, for sure, definitely one of those wins Gift-wrapped, sign-sealed, deliver joints. Absolutely, dallas definitely literally fumbled that.
Speaker 4:Finally got a break. Yeah, that's like our first break of the season, bro, finally got a break.
Speaker 2:We had a bye this week, so coach didn't play, Pacers still trying to figure it out with just injuries. We just don't have no big men. We just all our big men are hurt and shoot college football. I mean kind of I don't know, it was kind of crazy. So, but I like what they did and they kept the teams that made it to the conference championship in and allowing them to continue to play, instead of like, booting somebody because of it. So I like that, even though I still don't even think we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Clemson in a minute.
Speaker 4:That's why I was staying quiet.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about Clemson in a minute. I why I was staying quiet. We'll talk about Clemson in a minute. Wait to go crazy. Nah, nah, nah. So, we're going to start with a little, with a little NBA. Not much going on right now. We just got the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Right now in the nba cup right now. Currently playing on tnt is the bucks and the magics right now is that?
Speaker 4:did you say the quarter finals or?
Speaker 2:conference final. What'd you say? No quarterfinals? Oh, okay, so you got corners, semis and then champions, yep, uh. So quarterfinals right now. Um, like I said, the bucks and the magic is playing right now. Then, towards the end of the, it looks like the Bucks are winning right now 78-70. You get the Knicks and Hawks tomorrow at 7pm on ESPN. This is just the Eastern Conference. We also got the Western Conference Thunder and Mavs play tonight at 9. You can catch that on TNT 9.30, my bad on TNT. And then you get the Rockets and Warriors tomorrow on TNT at 9. So, okay, I think John's still working on his things. So that's all we really got for basketball right now.
Speaker 2:Man, we're really going to jump into this college football because it's definitely a lot to talk about. People have been complaining about the ins and the outs, the Miamis If you're going to let a Clemson in, why not let an Alabama in? Like it's been crazy. And these conference championship games how much do they matter? Should they matter more? Should they matter less? Are people benefiting off of not playing conference championship games? Like? I'm going to let you go first because, like you said, I know you got a lot to say. I got a lot to say too. I'm going to let you go first. Where do you? Where do you? Let's start with the. Let's start with what's recently happened. Let's start with the conference championship games. Do you think Anybody's? Do you think the conference?
Speaker 4:championship games should benefit anybody in particular. I think they should be able to help you. I don't think they should be able to hurt you, but in the grand schemes of the rankings, like they need to get rid of, they need to get rid of, uh, giving bias to conference champions because, no, I still think bias should be earned by those who have played. Tough records have prevailed with that Well, excuse me, tough schedules have prevailed with those tough schedules and earned the right to be one of the top four teams in the country. I mean, winning the Mountain West and getting a first round buy is crazy to me. Ok, so I just want to.
Speaker 2:I want to get some some perspective on that too. So when you saying so, based on your strength of schedule and how you perform during that, strength of schedule should dictate you getting in or not. Is that what you're saying I want? To make sure I understand that okay I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I agree that because then I mean you can and this is not a bag on Indiana, but you can play like an Indiana schedule and get in Right. Then why should me, as a I don't know a Georgia? Why should I schedule Alabama, tennessee?
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, you know what I mean Conference games, yeah, but I'm just saying like I mean I can schedule other conference games.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:Like there's other teams no, you have to play it. No, it's all. They don't schedule those games, that's all. Like a program Like you, play this team.
Speaker 2:I know they rotate them, but I'm just saying like none of that matters then. None of that matters then, like I kind of think, I kind of wish they would just kind of change these conferences to make them more balanced, not just like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because you really have two conferences.
Speaker 2:You really have two okay, you really got two conferences and it's really the Big Ten and the SEC. Yeah, okay, you really got two conferences and it's really the Big Ten and the SEC. Yeah, Like I think you should just break them all down and just conferences should not really even matter. Really, it should just be, I don't know, maybe two big conferences, kind of like an East and a West maybe, or something like that.
Speaker 4:You got to do something different. I feel like they can leave it how it is, just take out the conference champions getting by it's like just the conference championship can help you. You know what I'm saying. Say an IU beat to Oregon.
Speaker 2:So you're saying like ranking-wise help yeah in the big team. How else? Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:That should be able to affect your ranking, but just rank one through 12, I mean, I don't understand, like, why the mountain west champion has to be in the, has to be in the college football playoff, let alone getting a first round by that is. That's absurd, like and I'll. It just didn't hit me until just now. I didn't know that the. I thought it was like the power four. Well, quote, unquote, power for champions got the first. I didn't know it was the, you know, the top four out of the five.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, because that's the reason why Arizona State was at 12. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Even though they won the conference championship. You might as well put the winner of the Army Navy game in the damn college football playoff, if that's what I was, but that's what I was talking about last week.
Speaker 2:With the Ivy League champion in there then, when you're looking at records and you're like, okay, the Army only lost one game. You know what I mean. Like if you look down, even in the top 25, it's like there's teams down there with two losses. You know, there's teams down there with one loss, like they just didn't play a hard enough schedule. Didn't play a hard enough schedule. So if you're penalizing them for only losing one game but not playing a hard enough schedule, how are you rewarding a clemson because they played good in conference to allow them to make it to the championship and which allowed them to now, like you said, get a first round by with three losses? To where their schedule?
Speaker 4:nowhere. Who you saying got a first round by with three losses?
Speaker 2:uh, not a buy, but uh, clemson getting in. Oh yeah, they don't have a bottle, they don't have a bottle, but you know them getting in, like when you look at that, like in that sense of like, how do you, how do you like explain that to other teams? Because Clemson's schedule was nowhere near tougher than Alabama's schedule, and did they play? I'm going to have to look right now Did they, they didn't play they didn't play.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I'm about to say. They didn't play Miami. Let's see, they played Georgia. First they lost to Georgia, but then it's App State, nc State, stanford, florida State, wake Forest, virginia. Then you lose to Louisville and lose to South Carolina. I guess the Georgia one is understandable, but then you're playing Pitt, virginia, the Citadel, like you're not like. That schedule isn't tough to me. Yeah, even in the ACC, where it's not really like you didn't play. And then you didn't play SMU until the end of the season, which I mean you let them. They almost won, so like it, ain't like you. I just think that's tough man. And the only reason why they was in the championship because of conference play, with one more win than Miami, who've been ranked all year in the top 10, really playing good ball. I think they're penalized. We got Jonathan chiming in. Let me see they play in the power forward. Yeah, Clemson got a serious schedule. Pitt was ranked.
Speaker 4:I mean Clemson's schedule is better than like average. I mean I'm not saying it's bad, you know. And then of course I'm still big on benefit of the doubt. I mean they're still well coached, they're a disciplined team. Like I think some subjectiveness has to go into it. I mean, obviously it can't be all just cut white and black, like you know.
Speaker 2:I'm saying there has to be some gray in it yeah, but with that, um, I'm and I want to and I gotta address this with with uh, hold on, I'm trying to get uh justin in here, like he just hopped into, but I'm going to adjust this with Jonathan. Like, just because these teams are ranked when they played them, doesn't mean that that should count towards a good win, because if they don't end the season ranked, then that was a bad team. They were just going off of what they potentially could be at that time. So, like, if, like you say, like he said, louisville, louisville was ranked and Pitt was ranked, like Pitt ended the season not ranked.
Speaker 1:They ended seven and eight.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying they ended seven and five and then Louisville ended eight and four. So like these aren't, like these clearly wasn't these top teams. You know what I mean. Like yeah, maybe at that time, based on their record, but that was early in the season. Like if Louisville was still ranked, we'd be like, okay, cool, maybe that was a good win. If Pitt was still ranked, we'd say, all right, cool, that was a good win, that would count towards them down the line. But right now at the end of the season, when we done seen what everybody is like, that doesn't count. You can't say, oh, they were ranked because they was ranked at that time, they're not ranked now, so that's a knock against their schedule.
Speaker 4:So do you not think that teams can get worse progressively throughout the season? That's what I'm saying. One team could argue, oh yeah, well, well, they were four. No, when we played them, we started them on their downward trajectory. Yeah, so I mean, I, I kind of that's, that's. There's no complete, right answer to this right, like there's no absolute, like foolproof way. That's why I think what makes more sense that you just rank the top 12 teams, like you can't put a Mountain West champion in the top four. That that's, that's insane. That's insane. And just like that picture that I sent y'all, like Penn State almost got the easiest, the easiest uh route to the, to the uh, to the championship. Yeah, no, absolutely, at least their first two rounds. And's just like. How are y'all doing this seeding? But the seeding is messed up because of the conference champions having to be in the mix. It shouldn't be like that. If you genuinely feel like Arizona State is a top 12 team in the country, cool, but I don't think anybody thinks they are, even if they say hey.
Speaker 2:And I think, like you said, I don't think anybody thinks they are, even if they say hey, and I think I think, like you said, I think, if you, if you like, kind of what you're saying, hold on, I didn't mean to cut you off but, like with the conference championships, give them the first six seats, five, six seats. You know what I mean. You win the conference, I'm just play the first round, but give them the top seeds, or something like that. But, like I said, I don't think it should. I don't know, man, it's kind of tough. It's almost like do away with them, man. We got Justin in here with us right now. Hey, what do you think about the? We're talking about the college championship games and how they affect the playoff. What do you think, man? What impact should it have? Or should it have an impact at all?
Speaker 5:Well, it has to have an impact. Because if you're going to say it doesn't have an impact, then why have a strength of schedule? Why have any of those other things? So, like you can't I mean, unfortunately you can't pick and choose when it comes down to how they look at it Are there going to be conference champions that probably aren't as good as some other teams? For sure, I mean, all the systems are going to be flawed, no matter how you do it. But at the same time, like I don't know, like you were talking about Arizona State, I think like, let's say, they go in and they get blew out, that doesn't mean that a team that you guys that was held out of the tournament wouldn't have got blown out either, regardless of if they were a better team. So I mean, I think you just roll with it. There's no perfect system. So I mean you got to reward them for winning their conference in some kind of way.
Speaker 4:Why, though, if the conference isn't good like?
Speaker 5:why do you have to?
Speaker 4:reward the Pac-12? Not the Pac-12, but the Mountain West champion. Like for what?
Speaker 4:Like I mean I think if we expanded it to the top 12 teams, Like, put the top 12 teams in it, Like what are we doing? I mean it defeats the purpose of even having rankings if you got a team that's got a four seed but they're not the fourth best team in the country. By any objective measure, by any subjective measure, they're not top four, but you have them, you know, as a top four seed. It literally defeats the purpose to me.
Speaker 2:I think if you're going to hold, like you said, this bundle of circumstances against a team or you're going to use it to benefit a team, it has to be a level playing field. So, like again, it's only one conference championship. So everybody in the conference. If you got multiple teams from that conference in the higher rankings, then yeah. But, like I said, that's when strength of schedule come into play. And, like you said, like, are you the best team? How have you been playing? How have you played against top teams? What type of wins you got? I think all that stuff should come into play here.
Speaker 5:Here's my only question, I guess, to that, because I mean, don't get me wrong, like I do understand what you're saying. Um, how can I, how can I ask this? Um all right, yeah, like it's, it's. I mean, there's no right or wrong answer. You know what I mean. But like, okay, so what team? Give me just one example Jarrett or Vernon, whoever, as far as a team that shouldn't have been in, and then a team that you would have replaced them with.
Speaker 4:So I could definitely give you a couple teams that I don't.
Speaker 5:Just give me one, just give me one.
Speaker 4:One Arizona State Okay.
Speaker 5:Okay won Arizona State Okay. So, regardless of what Arizona State did, they didn't deserve to be in it, right? I'm not?
Speaker 4:saying I'm saying, based on what they did, do no Like. If you have one loss and you're beating everybody like you're beating less opponents by a sizable amount, then all right. Like I said, I keep saying I'm big on benefit of the doubt, but what we've seen from them is not indicative of a top four team in the country. And I'm not even saying, hey, throw them. Actually I take that back. I'm not even saying completely exclude them from the playoff, but, like them, having a top four seed is nuts.
Speaker 4:They're not a top four team in the country and they didn't earn that. In my opinion, it's crazy.
Speaker 5:But who would you have replaced them with?
Speaker 4:I mean I feel Alabama would smoke them, would blow the doors off Arizona State.
Speaker 5:Okay, but here's the thing we could have that discussion if Alabama didn't lose the games they lost.
Speaker 4:And I get that, but I mean still it comes down to just like I feel like how come every other sport at every level can get it right except for college football? You don't see, when they're doing the 64 for the NCAA tournament, you don't see, oh well, this team won the conference championship. They got three losses, but they won the conference championship, so they, they're gonna get a number one overall seed.
Speaker 5:No, I don't even think fbs or fcs does it that way so here's the thing, though, jerry, but your argument shouldn't be and no offense, I ain't picking on bama, but because you said them like but, they're not really, because if you look at the losses that bama had you like hindsight, you could say Bama would have beat Arizona state.
Speaker 5:Okay, would Arizona state be Vanderbilt, maybe? I mean, so we can play that game all day long. Your argument shouldn't be that they shouldn't be in it. You know kind of like what you. It's okay, maybe they don't deserve to have a top seed, but just not having a top seed doesn't put Bama in the tournament. That's all. That's all I'm saying. Maybe you reseed it differently.
Speaker 4:I still don't think anybody thinks Arizona State is a legitimately better football team than Alabama. I don't buy it with no money.
Speaker 5:I understand what you're saying, but that's your opinion, but it always goes back to me.
Speaker 2:That's all of me.
Speaker 5:Okay, this is how I look at it. I understand what you're saying, but at the end of the day, if Bama did what they were supposed to do, this wouldn't have been a discussion, so I don't want to hear anything else about it.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay.
Speaker 5:But why have you not? If you're not ranking them like, why not the top 12 teams?
Speaker 4:aren't just one through. But why have rankings if you're not ranking them.
Speaker 2:I got a question.
Speaker 4:Then If the top 12 teams aren't just 1 through 12. That's all I'm asking for that's it.
Speaker 2:I want to say this and then I want to get John's opinion on it. All right, so let's look at Clemson. A 10-3 Clemson Do we all believe Clemson deserves to be in it? It's arguable, and the only reason why they're in it is because they won the conference championship. That's the only reason they're ranked 16th. But they're a 12th seed. Do you agree with that? I think that's kind of what Jared is saying. They don't even believe that they're a top 12 team, even though they're seeded 12 in the playoffs, with a South Carolina with three losses in front of them, a South Carolina with three losses in front of them, an Ole Miss with three losses in front of them, a Miami with two losses in front of them and an Alabama with three losses in front of them.
Speaker 4:I think it's a team from the same conference out of it, but it just doesn't make any sense to me. I like the idea of them going to 12 teams because it gives us an opportunity to watch more good, high-level football. They just try too much, like every other playoff on every single sport of every single level. I'm talking from junior high on up to professionals baseball, basketball, football. Everybody but Fbs can't seem to get it right. Just just seeded how? How you think that the teams are seeded like? Or, if you want to just go strictly by, I don't something.
Speaker 5:You got to do something I'll say this I have no problem with them reseating. I'll say that like I don't, I'll be. I'm fine with them saying all right, just because you won your uh, your conference tournament, you don't get a top four seat. I'm in agreeance with you there. I can understand that. But to all together again, the fourth best team in the SEC or wherever you know, bama was like. You're not going to get me on board with saying put them in, regardless of if we we may think they're better, they weren't deserving because if they would have won more. You can't do that, jerry, because if that's the case and I'll say this, by your standards, there shouldn't be any conferences, it should just be a pool of teams. I'm cool with that too.
Speaker 4:I've said it a long time ago we were actually just hinting to that.
Speaker 2:I was watching the OU now.
Speaker 4:I don't even think college teams should have any affiliation with college at all. It's all just goofy. At this point, especially basketball Making guys actually go to college for one year is just asinine. That's a whole different path for a whole different conversation.
Speaker 5:I've said that about football too, Jared. I said it's just too much money. I said I'm not saying that out of football you should be able to come out of high school. But I've always been against the three-year rule.
Speaker 4:But that's a whole At this point. Just get a team. When we're watching these guys play, we're not. Oh okay, yeah, he just scored a touchdown man. I hope he aced his test on Friday. Nobody cares Like. They're not even remotely like similar, so, but, like I said, that's a completely different idea, thought for a completely different conversation.
Speaker 4:But I'm just kind of ranking the teams If a three-loss team makes it in. You know, because my thing is this so say, you drop a couple silly games off, some fluke stuff, but then you beat the number one and two teams in the country by three touchdowns, like so.
Speaker 5:so that doesn't mean any, you know, I don't know, that doesn't mean anything it does, but here I guess kind of going back and go ahead if it's my bad, but I was going to say but going back to that, though, jared, it kind of goes back to what I said at the beginning.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they may have like again, let's say, bama, whatever, use them as the example, since that's what we've been talking about. But if they lost to Vanderbilt, I mean they can lose to anybody else in this daggone playoffs, just like any team. That's, that's what makes college college. So like I'm not tripping, like I'm not tripping on any of the seeding because the best are going to win. You know what I mean. Like the best teams on that day are going to win and it's going to work itself out. But could they reseed it differently? For sure, for sure. But you're just not going to get me on board with saying scratch, everything else. Like to me, losing to Vandy within itself is going to make. I'm not putting you in, I'm sorry. Arizona State actually has some decent winners. Crazy, though.
Speaker 4:Think about college basketball, though, and how many number one seeds lose conference games on random-ass Tuesday nights. Yeah, but you know, basketball is so much different Way, more games, so way more opportunities, way more games, but I mean, it's still losing to an inferior. Losing to an inferior opponent is losing to an inferior opponent, like, for example, in basketball.
Speaker 5:you can lose to two, three inferior opponents, but you can beat 15 ranked opponents Like. You're just going to have more opportunity to solidify yourself in basketball.
Speaker 4:I feel like you can lose to two, and then that's the same ratio, like you said, what? 15 to three and one to three. Or you might lose the one inferior opponent and beat three ranked opponents, or you might. You know what I'm saying, so I feel like it's the same. It's the same average.
Speaker 2:I feel like let's get John in here.
Speaker 4:He fought with his internet to get in here.
Speaker 2:Let's get him in here. He ain't saying nothing. Well, he tried to. He hasn't had a chance.
Speaker 3:Y'all was going back and Iko never could have Blown me off like that. No, I was just kind of listening and, like I said, it's been moving and all that crazy this has been going on. But I will say this, just a couple things. I do agree with the seating. I think the seating could be different.
Speaker 3:I definitely think the conference championships hold a lot of weight, probably more weight than it should hold. I think it should hold some weight now because that matters. I don't want anybody to take that Winning your conference matters. That should be the ultimate goal for any team that's in a conference Win out. There should not be any. That should always be a goal. So it matters. But I do agree that it does hold a lot of weight because it does allow for, let's say, a team doesn't recruit as well for the beginning of the year as long as they win out their conference. They're going to the ship, they're going to the dance or whatever. So I think it does hold a little bit too much weight. So I think that could be revamped.
Speaker 3:However, on top of that, going back to what you guys were saying about Bama, bama really hurt themselves and the reason why I say that is because they have the talent. They always have the talent and because they did lose those three games, that's what's hurting them the most. If it was another team that lost three, three games and they didn't have that much talent or whatever, but they still have some quality wins and got in, I would be like cool, okay, y'all did what y'all had to do. Y'all did what y'all had to do, which I had, but I did what I had to do. Y'all did what I had to do, which I had.
Speaker 3:But we're talking about Bama. Bama is not supposed to lose to Vanderbilt. I don't care what anybody says on this planet. It should not have been lost from them on that particular, from that team whatsoever, and that hurts. I'm sorry, that hurts them badly. Now, if they would have went out to go back to what you were saying, jerry, if they would have went out to go back what you were saying, jerry, they went out and they blasted like the number one team, like they went out and played oregon and they blasted them by like three or four tds. Okay, now we can have the conversation, but that never happened, that they literally just lost three games and they lost it to inferior teams and they got smacked by oklahoma and they got smacked by oklahoma, which is also another.
Speaker 3:That's probably.
Speaker 5:That's that probably was the worst one, and that's what I'm saying, though let's just be honest. That leaves a taste in your mouth After that being an Alabama fan after that I was already.
Speaker 2:I was arguing, even with the two losses I'm like Tennessee, vanderbilt, all right, cool, because Tennessee lost to Arkansas and Vanderbilt and Arkansas's record is the same. So I could argue you know Tennessee and Bama's placing. But when you lost to Oklahoma and watching that game and how y'all played, I was like nah, it wasn't nothing they could do. It was nothing they could do against Auburn. That was going to change my mind, because you didn't score a touchdown against Oklahoma.
Speaker 1:So to me.
Speaker 2:That's why, after that week y'all heard me come on I was like hey, they do not put Bama in, I would be highly upset Even being a fan. Bama did not deserve to be in.
Speaker 3:They would literally have to play that next game. They would have to play Oregon and smack them by like four or five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you would have to play somebody To make a case. I don't even think you get it.
Speaker 3:That's just to make a case. I think that makes a case.
Speaker 2:No, because if you really look at it, because if you look at their wins, I mean you could say Georgia's making a case. You could say Missouri at that time was 21 making a case, lsu at that time was 15 making a case. It's not enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't have been enough.
Speaker 3:It's hard for me to believe that a three-loss team should get in anyway If you just keep it at the losses. It's hard when you got all these one and two-loss teams that's in the top 25, it's hard for me to say, well, I'm going to let you leapfrog this particular team that actually did what they were supposed to do on their schedule for the year.
Speaker 4:Did what they were supposed to do and being great is just two different things, y'all.
Speaker 5:No, and that's what I was about to say, I don't play, so y'all don't have to stop playing the games if all we're going to do is say, alabama has the tradition of being great.
Speaker 4:Let's put them in.
Speaker 5:Let's team them in.
Speaker 4:I mean I don't understand.
Speaker 3:We're giving Bama too much credit. I'm sorry and I get it. This is a. This ain't about Alabama.
Speaker 2:They're just a good example, just where they are, just in the rankings.
Speaker 1:But that's the main example Having two teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:That's ranked below them, and them just being right there at 11. And you got Arizona State at 12 that's in. And then you got Clemson at 16 that's in. So they're the best example unless you want to talk Miami.
Speaker 3:In my opinion, they're the only example to me, because I'm okay with Miami being where they're at. I'm okay with some of those other ones, but Bama's the best example for this particular situation.
Speaker 2:I will say my thing. I would have to see Miami and Clemson play To me.
Speaker 4:I personally don I would have to see Miami and Clemson play to me to make that decision.
Speaker 2:I personally don't want to see. Like, forget the conference records. If it's coming down to a situation like that and you're like, okay, we don't know if we should give Clemson a shot at the ACC championship or should we put Miami in the playoff, if that's the decision right there, which it should have been, I would say, okay, let put miami against clemson and see who comes out. Like it has to be some type of ruling to the because the conference championship, you're just taking the conference record. So if you have good conference play but horrible you know what I mean out of conference play, you can still compete for the conference championship and then make it into the playoff. That's my frustration with the conference championship, because that does give you a leapfrog type of mentality. Hence the Clemson, because you're clearly not I'm not going to say clearly not better than Miami, but Miami played better, even though it's one loss between them. They never played each other to even determine it one loss between them.
Speaker 5:They never played each other to even determine it. Mm-hmm, here and here's the only thing I will say is with with what you said, vern, I don't, they wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't even be. I'm just saying no, I'm saying, but what you said brought an interesting thought to my mind. I wouldn't even be opposed because I think it is kind of bogus, of bogus like Notre Dame can never get a top four because they're independent, right you?
Speaker 1:know, what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying like that'll make sense and I'm okay and I agree with that.
Speaker 5:I agree with that but if they're gonna do that and maybe this satisfies you, jared if this were to happen, let's just say you know that Miami or or, like you said, like Clemson and them, maybe you do like a play-in, kind of like you know those games right before the tournament to see who actually is going to get in the tournament. You know you got those, maybe you do one. So if you, you know Arizona State went in it or whoever you want to use, maybe Clemson has to play the Miami, who was really a fringe team, to make it in, and then such and such has to, and then, based upon that, the team comes out and maybe it's just one or two extra games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:This may be a small pool team.
Speaker 2:Almost like a wild card Like an own, the bubble game. It'll be like, hey, look, it came down. The other teams are kind of solidified, but we got like two or three teams that we just not sure about and just let them play one game. It ain't going to kill nothing. Make it a bowl if you want to. It ain't going to hurt nothing because the playoffs are going to be down the road anyway. You know, you got a couple weeks until them.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they got time, they got time.
Speaker 2:Yep, I would let Miami and Clemson play and say, okay, cool, let's see, do Clemson really desire to be here? You beat really deserve to be here, you beat SMU okay. And then if you beat Miami the two top teams in the ACC just by eye test it ain't by conference play or conference record by eye test and how they've been playing then Jared, I think that was satisfied. Be like, okay, cool, they deserve to be in because, hey look, they went against the best in their conference and they won. Okay, nobody could argue Clemson no more. They beat the two top teams. They deserve to be in, even though they had a bad record outside of conference play. They took care of business in the conference with this extra game and we let them in.
Speaker 2:Nobody will argue that. You can't argue that. You say, all right, they took care of business. That's how I think something if there was a change to be made. No, absolutely, that makes perfect sense. And then you can even look down the line at somebody like an army who's 11 and one, and because of what conference they in, they're not going to get a chance in America. They're not. So hey, look, let's, let's maybe shoot them a shot. As you know, hey, look as that one outlier and say, hey, look, whoever's. You know, whoever loses that Miami Clemson, you know what I mean? Whoever's that last seed, give them a shot at the last seed.
Speaker 5:I agree.
Speaker 2:And say, hey look, just hey, give them a shot. Y'all the last seed in. Y'all was on the bubble, y'all was on hey play.
Speaker 3:But just to throw a caveat in there, they did play Notre Dame this year, but that's. I'm just throwing that in there.
Speaker 2:But that's bro, I'm not going to even go through that. I'm looking at this schedule.
Speaker 2:I am not going to go through this schedule. This is an insult, but then that's their only loss. So it's kind of like, hey look, they went up against one of the top 10 teams and they lost. It's like, oh okay, well, they don't deserve to be in. But if Notre Dame would have lost that game, guess what? Notre Dame would be ranked 20th and be out. You know what I'm saying. But Army probably still wouldn't be in with a win over Notre Dame.
Speaker 4:That's another thing they still wouldn't be in. Notre Dame lost to NIU. That's a terrible. The worst loss on the board, probably no, that's way worse?
Speaker 3:I wouldn't think, but I already had this conversation with somebody else, the only reason why, Notre Dame is where they're at right now is because of the top heavy teams above them failed Essentially. That's literally the reason why where they're at right now and they didn't get blown out by Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5:It was a two-point game.
Speaker 2:It was a bad loss. It was a bad loss.
Speaker 4:It was a bad loss. Niu was in the back.
Speaker 5:Again, it was a bad loss. It was a bad loss it was terrible. Okay, that's fine, but I would even argue with you. Okay, you're saying as bad as it is, they may beat some teams that some of these other teams lost to. So I mean, what are we really talking about? Teams lost to bad teams. That's what happened.
Speaker 4:There ain't no team in the MAAC that's beat anybody in the SEC. I don't think. I think it's safe to say.
Speaker 5:You can say that, but then you would have told me the same thing earlier Oklahoma ain't gonna beat them, Vanderbilt ain't gonna Like. What are we talking about?
Speaker 4:Oklahoma's beating NIU, man Vanderbilt's beating NIU, and I'm not even trying to say that Notre. Dame's beating Vanderbilt, I'm not even trying to say that, to say that, but I'm just saying at some point. I just think the best case scenario is that you get the best team, the 12 best teams in the country. If Alabama makes their list whatever.
Speaker 2:Get the best 12 teams in and, like you said, and then the ones you have questions about, you can add in these little, because you got a million bowl games so you can slap a sponsor on it and make these teams play to get in, and just you know one, two, three. Who's going to argue about more college football, especially if there's? You know these are bubble teams, top bubble teams. That's playing for this last one or two spots?
Speaker 3:I don't think nobody's complaining about that, I guess. I'm curious, jared, what do you consider a best team Like? What is your criteria of what you look at?
Speaker 4:Strength of schedule. I'm a real cerebral, rather college football fan.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 4:I'm definitely watching the games. I'm not just looking at wins and losses, I'm looking at how you win. I want to see dominance, I want to see consistency. I want to see all that and I want to see look, I am one that takes program into consideration. I know everybody just wants to go baseball just this year, all right, cool. But if I've seen a team do what they do and they haven't dropped off really at all, because I mean one could say, eh, only thing is difference between this Alabama team and last year's Alabama team is there's no Nick Saban. So a couple of those losses guys might've got out of control, whereas Nick Saban would have reeled it back in. The board didn't out of control, whereas Nick Saban would have reeled it back in DeBoer didn't.
Speaker 4:Does that say that the talent level isn't the same? Like, I personally just don't really believe that. But I mean, that's not even everything that goes into the criteria. Obviously, who you play, where you play, where you win your games, who you lose to, all that should go into effect. But just because you win the Mountain West shouldn't make you the top 12 team in the country. That's, that's just bananas to me. And then it's like who is boise state beating?
Speaker 2:yeah, they run on the road and play oregon, but they lost like so and then you look, and then I don't want to ignore jonathan, going him my cousin.
Speaker 5:Did you see it before you, before you read his comments? To your point though, jared, okay, you can discredit the Mountain West, but Boise lost by a field goal to Oregon. They didn't get blown out. So you mean they don't deserve to?
Speaker 4:I mean, Ohio State lost by one and we didn't even get a chance to kick the field goal, which we should have. But you're in the playoffs. This isn't even about them. But I'm just saying this has nothing to do with Ohio State. But I'm just saying we got killed for that loss. We got destroyed for losing to them. So it's just like I mean where is that?
Speaker 5:I don't listen to anybody, so I couldn't tell you whether or not I didn't destroy them for losing to them. I mean, like I said, you're losing to a.
Speaker 4:Society kills the Buckeyes for everything, so they got destroyed for losing that game and honestly they haven't played. But I don't even. This isn't even. This has nothing to do with them. We're just talking about wins and losses and I just don't understand how.
Speaker 2:I think you're just speaking in general about criteria, right, but I'm saying like that's what I was asking Okay.
Speaker 4:My whole thing is this only way you're gonna make you happy then, jared, is you're gonna have to get rid of conferences, and we all know that's not happening, so there's no money in that. Look, I even said before you got on, I even said this when going to a conference championship, championship game should be able to add to your resume, and I don't think you should be able to be damaged for going like penn state, although I think anybody who knows anything about football sees a lot of flaws in Penn State although they gave Oregon a way better game than I thought that they were going to give Oregon.
Speaker 4:So shouts out to Penn State Coaching.
Speaker 2:Coaching. You can tell they made some adjustments. From the Penn State I've been watching all year.
Speaker 4:But go ahead. Santa Franklin's a good coach. It's crazy because, buddy, he hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2:No, but it had to be something like.
Speaker 4:That was not the same game plan they've been saying. No.
Speaker 3:What I say, what I say he's a good coach. Would I say he coached that game really well. Yes, that's what I'm saying. They made some adjustments, that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying no, no, no, I didn't. I'm not saying no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I didn't call him a good coach.
Speaker 3:I didn't say he was a good coach, I just didn't call him a good coach, but he coached that game, though he definitely coached that game really well, all right.
Speaker 2:So I want to Jonathan, I want to acknowledge some of his comments. Get to his comments. Yeah, so he was talking Alabama and Colorado. He has a bunch more before this, but right now this is where I can start. Miami and Alabama's in the Colorado's in the same pool, I agree, but if you look at Colorado, they lost to Nebraska, kansas State and Kansas. That's their three losses and they don't have enough ranked teams on their schedule to to compete. And again they were four in the um in the big 12. But they had a they. They were 7-2 in conference play. They tied with Arizona State, byu and Iowa State in conference play.
Speaker 3:They were literally one game away from making it to the conference play.
Speaker 2:If they wouldn't have lost to Kansas, then they would have been in the conference play Again. They had too many out-of-conference losses too. That Nebraska loss killed them. You know what I mean. Nebraska ranked at 1.2.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, and they wasn't even ranked at that time. But so I think that really hurt Colorado. I don't think Miami's in that same boat, because Miami didn't really get that chance as far as playing, to play Clemson, and that's all I'm saying about as far as Miami. I'm saying about as far as Miami. I'm a fan of Miami. I think Miami should have been in or at least a chance to play Clemson, to see who should have been in that performance by SMU. Granted, you know, the second half they came around, but I think that would have been way more competitive against Miami. I think that would have been a better game to see in my eyes.
Speaker 2:Miami's defense is terrible, so I'm losing uh for losing against he's saying he's saying ohio state got destroyed for losing to michigan, which but I mean I don't that game just is bigger than almost college football itself, like that's just iconic every year. So I don't think it hurts or helps them two teams too much just because you're going to get it every year and it's always, most of the time, always a tough game. Yeah, miami did lose the 2-1 ranks, but we're talking about conference play, leapfrogging you into the playoff, and even with Miami's losses, they handled business and conference play. They was only 6-2 in there. It wasn't like they was way, way far behind in conference play, behind Clemson. Clemson was only 7-1. That's my opinion. They didn't play each other either.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. You never really got a chance to see if they were good. Then that last loss to syracuse, I think that kind of shot miami in the foot, but that's still only their second loss, I think you kind of you take a step back on that and say, all right, like clemson got three losses, do we want to really give them a even a chance to get into the playoff, or should do miami really deserve that?
Speaker 5:no, miami't. I mean, don't forget, miami won on a Hail Mary against. Was it Virginia Tech? I think it was. It was like Miami. Don't get it twisted. Miami wasn't that good.
Speaker 4:I think they had four losses this year.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like Miami's, not that good Defense was terrible. Cam Moore was solid, but their offense was very sporadic. They had many games where I mean, let's just be honest, if their offense was very sporadic. They had many games where I mean, let's just be honest, if they put up enough points they would have won the game, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So no, I don't have any argument for Miami making it in, no so. But you're completely fine with Clemson.
Speaker 5:No, but here's the thing. I'm not in the boat of saying that conference champions should make it in. I think teams peak at different times. So not saying that you don't look at wins and losses and all that in the eye test. I'll be honest, I didn't watch a lot of Clemson this year?
Speaker 2:No, but wait a minute. But, jonathan, you can't just talk about the loss to Georgia. We understand that that's game one and it was 34-3. They got tapped, but then they lost to Louisville also and South Carolina. So I mean, are you just Georgia's Georgia? Nobody's complaining about a loss to Georgia.
Speaker 5:Bird said you didn't handle your candle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm just saying do we excuse 11-point loss to Louisville? Did we just let that slide? You know, a loss to South Carolina For. Clemson For Clemson, yeah.
Speaker 4:They won their conference championship, so they're the top.
Speaker 2:But that's what I'm saying. I don't think they were to me. They wasn't. That's all I'm saying. That's my argument, you know what I mean If.
Speaker 5:Ohio State versus Michigan gets an exception. Make it make sense, man.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? An exception? What are we?
Speaker 4:talking about right now.
Speaker 2:That's not.
Speaker 3:How are there any exceptions is what I want to know. Yeah, like, who said that they were an exception?
Speaker 2:No, I think maybe because I said that game is kind of.
Speaker 4:People just take who you're a fan of and then try to get under your skin. But nobody said anything about Ohio State being lower, higher. Nothing Like no.
Speaker 5:Was he responding to you, Vern?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think he was responding to what I was saying about the Ohio State and Michigan game Like that doesn't really hurt either team most of the time Because it's always a tough game. Very seldom do you really see a huge blowout in that game.
Speaker 5:See, but I'm also a person who said this Like I don't think when we see one versus two or one versus three or two versus five like a loss by either one of them doesn't move you down in the rankings. To me, Just like the Alabama and Georgia, like when they were like top five.
Speaker 2:it's not going to hurt the Texas and Georgia, didn't? It didn't move the needle a lot no, that to me like if.
Speaker 5:If let's say two beat one, okay, I'm gonna swap y'all all right now you want it right right I don't like if it's a close game and all that. I'm not. I don't. I don't lose my mind about tough games and how that, but right, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like he said he was responding to you right and just like michigan's win over ohio state, that didn't move michigan anywhere. Michigan didn't become ranked all of a sudden because of that, like it didn't, but just like it didn't destroy ohio state. Because I think they look at it as like, hey look, michigan is at where michigan is at, based on michigan's play, and ohio state is where ohio State is based on their play, like that's it, like it shouldn't penalize anybody because this is a game that we see every year. We know the history of this rivalry and if Michigan and, like you say, if Michigan was top 10, it probably would have swamped them. You know what I mean. But Michigan wasn't even in the picture. To what do you like? What do you give them? You know. You know you can't give them anything for beating Ohio State because it's too late in the season and they wasn't handling their candle throughout the season.
Speaker 4:Handling their candle.
Speaker 2:Yes, Clemson lost to South Carolina. That was the last game of the season they lost.
Speaker 4:That's a rivalry game too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a rivalry game too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like in South Carolina, what they had nine yeah, that's what I'm saying Like, yeah, that was nine. South Carolina was tough. No, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they were tough.
Speaker 2:But again, like, how are we counting these losses? Again, I think that kind of goes back to what Jerry was saying how are we counting these losses? How are we counting these wins? What are we putting more weight on? Are we giving the conference championship more weight than we do? Top ten wins or bad losses?
Speaker 4:Bro, they're giving conference championships everything.
Speaker 5:It's the highest weighted category, but it almost has to be to agree, and the reason being because, just like earlier, when you guys talk about, oh well, this one ranked or that one, well, when are we talking about rankings? Because some of these teams were ranked to coming into the year, you know. So, I mean, are we talking about before the year, are we talking about only when they played that team? Because there's some teams who weren't ranked that are ranked by the end of the year. So, like you know, it's, it's just a matter of how you, how you want to, you know, do that. So I understand why the conference championships matter, because when are you going to pick and choose when the rank rankings matter?
Speaker 2:and I help you with that. I help you with it conference championships. Conference championships happen at the end of the year, yep. So regardless of your, when you play team, what they were ranked at that time, you can look at the end of the year and say, okay, yeah, when we played Nebraska, they was ranked 16th. Where's Nebraska ranked? Now, at the end of the year, when it's time to pick who's going to play for the conference championship, oh, nebraska ain't ranked. We're not going to give you the benefit. That's not going to boost your stats in our eyes, because Nebraska clearly wasn't good enough to maintain their ranking. That's not a beneficial win for y'all you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Who won the MAAC this year? Wow, that's a great question. I can find out real quick.
Speaker 4:You could have just thrown them in there too, you and this Mac I got you right here you can argue the Mountain West and the Mac being.
Speaker 2:It looks like Ohio Bobcats, put them in.
Speaker 4:They won the conference championship, where they at.
Speaker 2:Overall yeah, 10-3. Yeah, they were 10-3.
Speaker 4:Conference USA winner. Put them in.
Speaker 2:Where they at you are wild. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1:But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I understand what you're saying If you want to put the Mountain West champion in why not put the mac champion in?
Speaker 2:I think you gotta, kind of, like I said, I think you gotta take a step back and really, like you said, play some extra games and separate some of these teams to really see who's real and who ain't so now I am confused about the rule.
Speaker 4:So is it the? Is it the top five conference champion teams get in?
Speaker 2:automatic bids, and then the top four, I guess, get the buy okay, so one gets in, so that's why arizona state and the big 12 is is uh, I mean, uh, not arizona state. Clemson is ranked 12 because they have they're the lowest ranked conference champion, so so we could potentially see a MAAC team in is basically what you're saying.
Speaker 3:So the year when Ball.
Speaker 4:State went like one loss or undefeated or something. When they had Nate Davis playing quarterback they were like I think they got up to like 12th in the country. So if they had a, would they have gotten in this year? They were like top.
Speaker 3:A lot of rules, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then again. But then that takes me back to like, how about them? That takes me back to the Army argument, then, because Army is sitting here at 11, and what?
Speaker 4:I mean, if you're not putting the top 12 teams in anyway, you might as well just go rogue and do whatever really, because the top, the top best 12 teams in the country are not in the playoff. I mean you might as well just do whatever you want at that point.
Speaker 2:Because a lot of these, because I mean because a lot of these top teams were losing to each other.
Speaker 3:I could see this in the next, probably six to seven, eight years, being expanded to like 16. The mid-major will have to go undefeated.
Speaker 2:I agree with that, Jonathan. They will have to go undefeated.
Speaker 3:I can see it going to 16. And they will have to.
Speaker 4:They taking out the top four conference champions getting buys. I can see it. You don't see some kind of agreed to or a stipulation in which the conference has agreed to it. But I feel like if they think cerebrally about that I don't even know if that's a word If they think a great deal about this, they'll probably change that rule. I think so.
Speaker 2:Because I think I mean because, into what Jonathan's saying, in order for that to happen, you're going to have to schedule one or two of these powerhouses, but then what if you schedule three decent non-conference games against power five teams or whatever, however many powers it is?
Speaker 4:you lose two, and then you lose two conference games but you win your conference championship. Then what? You put a four-loss team in.
Speaker 5:No they're not going to get in. That's why they're not in now. That's why Army's not in now. You're talking about something that's not going to happen, even with how they have it designed.
Speaker 4:It's not going to happen. Conference USA Army.
Speaker 5:The AAC Okay.
Speaker 4:I forgot about the AAC. That's what I was thinking about when I was saying conference.
Speaker 2:Yeah because, I mean like. I said Army will have to schedule. I mean, granted Notre Dame, fine, but you're going to have to schedule one of these, like you said, one of these top teams, these consistent top teams.
Speaker 3:Well, I was teasing with Notre Dame. They play them every year because that's a rivalry. Yeah, that's a rivalry, that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying that one okay. As far as Army is concerned, you know, you're going to get Notre Dame, but then you need to put in somebody else. You need to put in somebody else.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to reach up there. I think now, with this playoff being like this and now, especially after this year, and seeing how it shakes out, like these teams, like you said, in the American, in the Mountain West and all these other teams in these other conferences, they're going to have to reach and grab one of these Ohio State and you know they're going to have to grab one of those teams once a year and try to win one of those games to get some respect.
Speaker 5:Well, your problem is, those teams have to also be willing to play them.
Speaker 2:No, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I'm just saying, like you're going to have to try.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean you're going to have to try.
Speaker 2:You could go 12-0 and you're just not going to be in.
Speaker 4:Based on what Nick Saban said. He said the SEC should probably consider not scheduling any non-conference games. Because I mean it is tough, you already got Texas.
Speaker 2:You got Alabama LSU, that's enough, because you're already in the gauntlet, you might as well just run the gauntlet. If we in, we in. If we out, we out.
Speaker 5:When you do that, you lose to an Appalachian State. You can't be mad when you get left out.
Speaker 1:But then you don't even put them on there. You can't be mad. I don left out, that's all I'm saying. But then you don't even put them on there.
Speaker 5:But I'm saying like you can't be mad because I don't look, I don't care how you do your schedule, but you can't be mad when you lose games that you should win period. Again I don't think there's one team on here that you guys can make a legitimate argument for being out.
Speaker 4:You can argue, not even for the teams that they ranked inside the top 12?
Speaker 5:No, I'm saying the receding yes. Who's in? No, no.
Speaker 2:So okay, so I hear you, justin. But for the committee to take the playoff rankings and rank these teams and say, okay, x Y Z, x Y Z. And to say, hey, look, clemson, even though you made it into the playoff, we still don't believe you're better than 16. Arizona State even though you're number four, you're seeded four in the playoff we still don't think you're better than 12. And to say that in the middle of that, in between that sandwich, you have Alabama, miami, ole Miss and South Carolina, in between those teams, to say, hey, look, y'all guys absolutely don't deserve a chance at all. Yeah, bro, I think that's what Jared is saying. To say, now, if Clemson won the conference championship and you moved them up to 11 and bump Alabama, you know what I mean. Like if the rankings reflected the seeding, in a sense.
Speaker 2:But, you're saying as a committee that, even though these two teams are are in like, they're still not better than these sandwich of teams in between them rank a team 11 and 12 and them not make a 12 team playoff is blasphemy, bro.
Speaker 5:That I understand what you're saying in terms of a team, like how they they had them ranking in. You know Alabama not making it, Because I think Alabama is the only team that didn't make it in it.
Speaker 4:It's Miami.
Speaker 2:Yeah, miami, ole Miss and South Carolina.
Speaker 5:Miami and Ole Miss ain't top 12.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying top 12. I'm just saying I'm looking at the rankings right now.
Speaker 4:They are. I'm looking at the rankings right now. Nah they changed a little bit.
Speaker 3:Miami is ranked right now.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at it, but I'm just saying there's only one team, alabama.
Speaker 5:And to your point, they should have just fixed that, because Alabama shouldn't be ranked number 11. Because, to your point, if they're number, 11, then if they're number 11, then they should have been in period Right. Either they're not number 11 or they should have been in.
Speaker 2:And that's what I'm saying no, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4:They should have been in, but they couldn't be because of the stupid conference championship rule. That's what it means. That's it.
Speaker 2:Because right there you're saying. You're saying that, hey look, arizona State and Clemson are not better than Alabama. We don't believe that they're better than Alabama. That's why Alabama didn't move, even after the conference championship.
Speaker 4:That's like. That's like, just, it's like me being your boss and I'm like you. I think that you're a better associate than associate B. Or I think, Justin, I think you're the better associate between you and John, but you went to Syracuse, John went to Harvard, so I'm going to pay him more. You're going to be like what? Like nah, if I'm the better associate, I should get the better situation. And that's literally all we're saying.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no.
Speaker 4:I get that.
Speaker 5:But I'm saying they should have just. Alabama just shouldn't have been ranked 11th If they knew they weren't going to put them in the playoffs. Don't rank them 11. Then you ain't got no argument. Then your argument is maybe they should have ranked higher.
Speaker 4:You know how you solve that, though, justin by just putting the top 12 teams in. Then you don't even got to have this problem. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if you just put the 12 best teams in, like you said. If you didn't, you literally just said if they didn't think that they were a top 12 team, then they shouldn't have ranked them 12. Exactly, literally, that's all we're saying. They shouldn't be ranked number 12 or 11 if you don't think that they should have been in the top 12 team playoffs.
Speaker 2:That's it. And if you're going to keep Clemson even after winning their conference championship, if you're going to keep them at 12. Even after winning their conference championship, if you're going to keep them at 12. You say, oh, they're 17. You keep them at 16.
Speaker 4:Like you're saying that, hey look, even though you went out and won this, we still don't think you're better than Miami and there's no difference Like this just doesn't make any sense. But I mean, even on this fire, though, this is crazy.
Speaker 4:Like I think everybody's made amazing points, yeah, like I don't think anybody's wrong. No, no, what they did is they expanded it to 12 teams to try to eliminate some of the back and forth, but all they did is create more hectic. Like that's all they did essentially. Now you got 12 teams in and now you ranking teams 11 and they don't make the 12-team play. Like come on, bro, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:You could have just saved that. You could have just went back to the four, like if this was going to be the situation yeah, like we kept it at four yeah, oh man, okay, well, with that being said, I ain't really got much left, man. Uh, just gonna talk about the playoff picture picture, the nfl right now. And uh, oh, wow, man, that was a lot, man, that took a lot out of me it took a lot out of me, like trying to move on.
Speaker 2:I'm like man, I'm a little hot. Jeez Gotta love it this time. Man it's wonderful, I wouldn't trade it for anything, right? I?
Speaker 4:just appreciate the opportunity to be able to, instead of talking to myself. I've been talking to myself since Sunday about this in the shower, just talking about it, driving to work. People be looking at my car like is he okay? Ain't even no music on. This is what I do. I talk sports.
Speaker 2:If I gotta talk it to myself, I talk it to myself, hey look Playoffs right now you got Kansas City, buffalo, pittsburgh, houston, baltimore, chargers and Broncos right now, with the Colts and the Dolphins, still with a slight chance. And then in the NFC you got Detroit, philly, seattle, tampa Bay, minnesota, green Bay, commanders. And then you got the Rams, the Falcons. You got a couple teams, arizona and Nin Niners still with a slight, slight chance. But the Niners, the Cardinals and the Rams that's crazy in itself. And the Seahawks still sitting there at 8-5. Like they still have a chance to. One of them still has a chance because they've been beating on each other all year.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Seahawks number one in the division. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, eight and five, but you got the Rams at seven and six, arizona at six and seven and San Francisco at six and seven. So like that can flip with these last you know couple weeks. Like with all the San Francisco struggles, they still have a chance to win the division which yeah they're not.
Speaker 5:I not. I'm trying to get justin to say something to make ike uh start talking crazy. Hey, I was just a year early on my seahawks pick and I still picked him again this year because I know what time it is.
Speaker 4:It's the seahawks division, you heard people lost a lot of money on that because I don't know about that.
Speaker 2:If you're looking at the percent, they got a 52% chance. They're saying they got a 52% chance to win the division. The 49ers, the Seahawks, oh okay.
Speaker 4:No the.
Speaker 2:Niners only got a 9% chance to win the division and 11% chance.
Speaker 4:They play off like hopes is kind of. You said they got six wins.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so yeah, 9% right now.
Speaker 2:I mean 11% chance to make the playoffs right now. No cardinals at 9%.
Speaker 5:They're not making it. They've been destroyed by injuries.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. With all the injury rules, they even have a chance. Like that's crazy.
Speaker 5:Shanahan can coach, I'll give the man credit. He can coach, so he keeps him with opportunities. But they're they, just they there's too many injuries.
Speaker 2:I mean, the last couple teams you got that has a percentage, the chance to make the playoffs. You got, uh, the bingos at three percent, miami at 15 percent, coats at 26 percent. Um, and those are the teams on our second team. Who'd you say before the coats? Uh, miami 15. Oh, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I forgot about them, just because I mean, but, and those are the teams on our side.
Speaker 5:Who's the second team? Who'd you say before the Colts Miami 15%. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I forgot about them.
Speaker 2:I mean, but this game between the Colts and Denver this weekend is going, you know? That's either going to happen.
Speaker 5:I said this. I said this with the Colts because I just looked at them. Denver's the hardest game left. If they beat Denver, or even if they lose, I think they still can win out. Yeah, but what's Everything in themselves?
Speaker 2:We got to look at. We got to kind of look at.
Speaker 5:Denver Texans is going to slide, brother. Their offensive line is trash. They've been struggling, so I would not be surprised to see the Texans slip up Now. I don't know how they are in division games. I don't know if they got any left, so I ain't paying no attention to that. But the texans I, I'm not sold on them, not sold on them at all uh-uh.
Speaker 2:So let me look at, let's see, what denver's rest of their schedule is. Oh, they get the chart. Oh, they got charger bingos in chief. That's the chance. Hey, you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I said all those are losable. If we beat den Denver, Denver can lose four in a row.
Speaker 5:That's what I said. Even if y'all lose to Denver, y'all went out. Denver could lose out after that Lose out is crazy.
Speaker 4:That phrase is wild, but I get it, but the Chargers. Tough.
Speaker 2:Bengals.
Speaker 3:Yep Tough.
Speaker 4:We don't need another break. Y'all see the break we got last night, but that was our first break of the season.
Speaker 5:Because that game was over, bro. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4:They let that ball die. We're done With that field goal kicker. We lose that game like 100%. And I actually bet on the Cowboys last night so I was kind of hoping, hey yo, that's the cheat code. Bet against your team takes all the nerves away. You know I couldn't get even less of a fuck last night watching that game. I couldn't have found less of a fuck, like it was the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 2:So I got to do the like hey, afc seeding chance. I mean right now it don't really seem like I mean between the number one seed you really Kansas City and Buffalo, kansas City a 76% chance going to have the number one seed. The biggest fight in seeding is probably just the sixth seed between the Chargers, ravens and the Broncos.
Speaker 5:That's the closest, with 35 for the Chargers, 29 for the Ravens and 21 for the Broncos, not really, if you look at like and you know I'm going to be the first to tear down, I hate Ty Monk in the offense play. Calling the defense is terrible.
Speaker 2:I'm just talking about percentages.
Speaker 5:I'm not talking about no, but I'm saying like, even with that out the door, like I'll read this out, because I looked at it the other day, because I was trying to see like how who they had left the Ravens should win every game.
Speaker 2:They have the Giants, the Steelers the Texans and then the.
Speaker 1:Browns. Well, that's why they're giving them a 41 chance to have a 50. So yeah, but I'm just talking about like percentage differential, but losing any of these games.
Speaker 5:Baltimore don't need to make the playoffs. Just being honest with you, they don't. They don't even need to make the playoffs, um at that.
Speaker 2:And in the NFC, the biggest seed in chat differentials, I mean the closest one, is the fourth seed between the Bucs, the Rams, the Seahawks and the Falcons. They're all within.
Speaker 1:Isn't that disgusting right there that you just said that.
Speaker 5:That's crazy, that's disgusting.
Speaker 2:Last but not least, we've got the race for the number one pick right now. You got the Giants right now with a 41% chance to get the number one pick, patriots 23%, panthers 11%, and then the rest of the NFL only has a 25% chance. My money is on New England.
Speaker 3:Anybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm saying the Giants, I think the Giants have looked just beyond.
Speaker 5:The Ringling look better than the Giants.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm about to say. They look slightly better than the Giants. I mean, Drake May is better than the Giants.
Speaker 5:It's going to be the Giants, bro. Giants play the Ravens, falcons, colts and then Eaglesagles yeah, yeah, they get a lose out bro yeah so and I don't know and I'm not trying to be funny when I say this, but I'm am I the only person who says kirk cousins is? I mean, he's hot garbage, bro, he's hot garbage. I don't know what's up with buddy, but he hot garbage, I don't know what's up with Buddy, but he hot garbage.
Speaker 4:This year he's slumping on draft night yeah.
Speaker 5:I think also coming back from the Achilles, I get it, but that don't change your decision making.
Speaker 2:I agree with that.
Speaker 3:It's a new team and everything he didn't go to the ACL. He feel a little different.
Speaker 5:Hey, he's seeing ghosts.
Speaker 3:Hey, look at him in ATL. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I remember they was saying that about.
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 2:Flacco. They was saying that about Flacco in New York, man. But yeah, man, that's all I got. Man, we got Pick'em Records, which now, man, justin, it's a wrap, bro, after what happened last week at U5 and 8, I mean I'm 85, but Ike went 11-2.
Speaker 5:Well, I already told you I think you were in there I don't think it was when Ike texted me, but I told him. I said every week I'm going against pretty much every pick he has. That's all I want, yeah right. I mean that's.
Speaker 2:So like what Jared put in there, like genius pick Justin, I quickly was like hey, he going to mess it up somewhere else down the line. I was like dang.
Speaker 5:Well, because there's some of them I actually like I'm just like, not Even if you think, like, like, if you go back, probably the last two or three weeks where I started just being crazy aggressive, all the ones I missed on were ones that really should have hit, like those teams should have won, and they something stupid happened, you know. Oh, they missed a field goal or oh, you know they fumble this. Like I ain't, like I could have very well been behind a ball right now. Let's just be real. If you look at my picks going back, like there's been quite a few games where I've actually been, I'm not right, but right in terms of like, nah, that team really.
Speaker 5:They probably better yeah, so uh, but yeah, nah, he, he texts me. Uh, talking crazy earlier and I thought I said bro, you lost your mind, I ain't conceding to you, I wouldn't give you that satisfaction. I said you can quit or I'm gonna keep on picking pimp. So let's say you know I already put my.
Speaker 2:I already put mine in.
Speaker 5:Oh, did you? Okay, I had to look at it and put mine in.
Speaker 2:Did I put mine? Nah, I thought about putting them in. That's why I was. That's funny. Well, sure, let's do it now. Then, man, I got this.
Speaker 5:Let me pull my yep. I'm ready. Go ahead, Read them off.
Speaker 2:Thursday night Rams and Niners Look, and this is right at the right time we were just talking about them too. Gosh man the Rams have been crazy. Rams.
Speaker 5:I'm just thinking about offensively. The Rams have been good. I'm thinking offensively and defensively how bad the Niners have been.
Speaker 3:And they about to pay Purdy 50 to 60 million and be even worse.
Speaker 4:I feel like, even if they was good, you probably wouldn't think that. All right, I'm not going to even comment on that, because I feel like I'll keep y'all another couple hours.
Speaker 5:Hey, they going to pay, they going to pay, and it's going to be exactly what me and you have said time and time again with these teams, and I'll leave it at that, hey, that window's closed.
Speaker 4:It's closed, bro, it's closed. I'm not gonna say that it's closing for sure yeah, it's not as open as it has been. Yeah, I'll say that you for that team, you gotta have, you gotta win. Win with Brock on that rookie contract. You have to, you have to. It's not all over. I still think he's a good enough quarterback to get a good team to the Super Bowl and win it. But you have to capitalize off him building a rookie contract.
Speaker 4:We're in the same spot. So it's not even me talking trash. We should have did it with Burrow and his rookie contract.
Speaker 5:That's most teams. You know what I'm saying. You got to do it while you can put all the talent around the quarterback.
Speaker 4:Yep, if you don't, it gets spooky.
Speaker 5:If it make Ike feel any better, I don't think Baltimore going nowhere either.
Speaker 4:Man. I hate that, but I mean shit. Look, I feel like if y'all can just stay away from the lucky ass Chiefs, y'all be alright, but I think you might have to beat the Chiefs in route.
Speaker 5:I think you're going to have to beat the Chiefs to make it.
Speaker 4:Maybe the Bills take them out or something.
Speaker 5:I. I think you're going to have to beat the Chiefs to make it. Maybe the Bills take them out or something. I've said this I think in order for Lamar to get the credit that he's looking for, he needs to go through Kansas City and Buffalo on his way to a championship. I said I think that's the only way, because, to your point, he beats Cincinnati. You're right.
Speaker 4:You're right, he's still not going to get it.
Speaker 5:We kind of really know what's up. We know, yeah, we know, we know um, but yeah, I mean we'll see, we'll see, I think, baltimore's problem is honestly, I told you this jerry when I text you justin tucker.
Speaker 4:That's crazy. That is the most insane storyline of this year. I would say the 49er struggles, the b Bengals struggles and Justin Tucker are, like the three, of the biggest what the fucks? Of the season so far.
Speaker 2:We got Colts and Broncos.
Speaker 5:Oh boy, that can go either way, that can go either way. And I want to pick the Colts.
Speaker 2:You know who I'm picking.
Speaker 4:I'm going to just pick the underdogs. I would pick the underdogs if I was in it.
Speaker 2:still Well that's like kind of a betting underdog Denver.
Speaker 5:The spread is when is it at? Where's the game at? It is in Denver. All right, I'm going to go Broncos damn.
Speaker 2:I hate that. I got to do that. They're giving Denver four points.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 2:I had to go with Denver.
Speaker 3:Chiefs and.
Speaker 5:Browns, I think you have to probably. Man Jameis is going to do what Jameis do, so he's going to give the team at least seven to 14.
Speaker 3:Y'all can go ahead and skip that pick. Y'all already know what that answer's gonna be.
Speaker 2:The fact that dude's agreeing to make it Bengals and Titans.
Speaker 3:That's what makes it funny.
Speaker 4:Damn, that's in Tennessee too. I'm not going. I've been in like three straight games down there too. I ain't doing that shit.
Speaker 2:Commanders and Saints.
Speaker 5:That's another team that's going to have to blow it all up, though with the Saints. Ravens and Giants. Hey, Ike, I might concede. If Baltimore loses to the Giants, I might go ahead and concede. Just don't GP for you, fam Cow. I might concede. If Baltimore loses to the Giants, I might go ahead and concede just on.
Speaker 2:GP for you, fam, cowboys and Panthers.
Speaker 4:That motherfucker is nice.
Speaker 2:Jets and Jaguars.
Speaker 5:I just hate picking the Jets. They just disgust me. I picked the Jets, I did, they just disgust me.
Speaker 3:I picked the Jets too.
Speaker 5:I did, but they just disgust me, dolphins and.
Speaker 3:Texans Hard picks this week, boy.
Speaker 2:Bills and Lions. It's going to be a good game, is it?
Speaker 5:the Bills and Lions this week? Yeah, that's going to be a good game. Is it the Bills and Lions this week? Yeah, that's going to be a good game. Oh geez.
Speaker 2:I got to go Lions man, I think Detroit right now they are.
Speaker 3:They for real. They are playing very well right now the problem is.
Speaker 5:I think the one area that the Lions struggle with is where Josh Allen can expose them and y'all know my feeling about Josh, but they, his mobility and his ability to extend them plays is going to get at defense problems. Man, I hate picking the Bills. Sometimes I ain't picking, but the Lions offense is so good.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Is the Bills defense good enough to stop that Bills?
Speaker 4:I don't think so, Because the Rams went crazy on the Bills. I was like what?
Speaker 5:That's why I'm going to have to go.
Speaker 4:Lions. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they went crazy. Yeah, and Josh had to be Superman to even get any points on the game.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, XTDs man.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was one of them, joe Burrows. Yeah, he threw for three and ran for three.
Speaker 4:That's what that was, bro he was crazy.
Speaker 5:That's why, oh, go ahead, jay, go ahead.
Speaker 4:Nah, I'm going to keep prolonging the conversation.
Speaker 5:I was going to say you know what's so crazy about the national media too? One game automatically propels people to MVPs in their eyes. It's crazy, to me it's crazy, but I'm not even going to say anything else about it Because, like, if you look at it, josh Allen still in like top ten and passing yards or none of that.
Speaker 3:So you know how they do bro.
Speaker 5:Yeah man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Steelers and Eagles. That's going to be a good game too, eagles yeah yeah, I went Philly also.
Speaker 5:Steelers are just squeaking away with stuff.
Speaker 2:Cardinals, Patriots.
Speaker 5:Cardinals, they got to win. I mean ain'tinals they got to win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got to win Buccaneers Chargers. That'd be a decent game. It is I'm going to say, I know I'm going to say Tampa Bay.
Speaker 5:That's who I'm leaning towards. I don't even feel good about it, though. I feel dirty after saying it.
Speaker 2:You see my hand yeah.
Speaker 5:Hey, you got that Lawrence Fishburne from Boys in the Hood going.
Speaker 2:With the ball? Yeah, with the two ball? Yeah, I don't know man, let's go.
Speaker 5:I'm going to go. Chargers Don't even feel good about it.
Speaker 2:And then Sunday night we got Packers-Seahawks, which is another good game. It is.
Speaker 5:Packers got to win, but the Seahawks do too.
Speaker 3:I was going to say they both got to win. Fox, you ain't got nothing to lose after that record I saw. So just you know, do what you got to do, man.
Speaker 5:Well, no, remember this Fitz. I don't know what Ike picks, so I'm trying to think of what he is going to pick, he would definitely pick the Packers in this. I believe that's what I'm thinking, because I know he don't want the Seahawks.
Speaker 2:obviously he's going to pick against the Seahawks, I believe.
Speaker 5:I would think so.
Speaker 2:But also he doesn't care about division. He really be thinking about what's the best, and that's what I said.
Speaker 5:I'm trying to think of like, but because I said Seahawks Nation on this, he going to go against the Seahawks on that.
Speaker 2:So I'm picking the Seahawks Just to benefit the Niners right now. To spite you, I'm going to go Green Bay on that, but I don't feel great about it. And then this Monday night game Vikings and Bears. Oh, it's two Monday night games, oh is it? Yeah, we got Vikings and.
Speaker 5:Bears first, and then Falcons and. Raiders, see, this will be a game that the Vikings lose.
Speaker 4:That's what. I was going to say this will be that game.
Speaker 2:This will be that game that they lose.
Speaker 5:All right, I was going to say this will be that day, this will be that day that they win. Alright, I'm going to go. Falcons I mean Vikings and Falcons.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm going to go Bears because I don't care, they can lose but my two stars better go crazy this week.
Speaker 3:That's all I know.
Speaker 2:Falcons and Raiders. Raiders is a fucking dumpster fire.
Speaker 5:That part. Alright, that's it. I think that's all of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, jeez Gosh.
Speaker 2:Alright, man Shoot Final thoughts, I guess.
Speaker 4:I didn't talk enough.
Speaker 2:I guess, I didn't talk enough.
Speaker 4:I mean, we ain't defunding nothing, we ain't had a defund in a minute. Nah, I hit y'all with UC basketball last week, oh yeah yeah. Get them out of here. I'm sick of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, man, I got nothing yeah, get them out of here, I'm sick of them. Yeah, all right, man, I got nothing. Man, justin Jared, I mean Justin John, it's all these. J's Justin John Jared. Any final thoughts?
Speaker 3:I ain't got nothing, man. I'm just looking forward to. This is a good time for football. Man To NCAA, this tournament, man, this tournament.
Speaker 4:When does it?
Speaker 3:start 21st. What the 20th?
Speaker 2:20th and the 21st.
Speaker 3:The 20th is the first games, I think.
Speaker 2:We got yeah, the 20th is the first game and that's the Indiana-Notre Dame game. That's on Friday, the 21st. You get the SMU Penn State, clemson, texas, tennessee, ohio State.
Speaker 3:I ain't going to lie to you. I looked up tickets for both of those games.
Speaker 4:I heard they outrageous, outrageous.
Speaker 3:When I say outrageous, outrageous.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's too cold, bro, I'm cool anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there ain't nothing on that, that's why I'm looking like ain't nothing on my side. Except for the Arizona whoever Arizona State played, that's going to be in Atlanta.
Speaker 3:Whoever Georgia played I was talking about the in-state game it's crazy price.
Speaker 2:You don't want to go up to South Bend, not this time of year. You're going to be freezing your ass.
Speaker 4:They say cheapest tickets to the Ohio State Tennessee game is $2.03.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I seen that. I seen that earlier today and it's up in the nose nosebleeds.
Speaker 4:IU and Notre Dame $7.36. That's.
Speaker 3:Catholic money that's getting charged up there. That's the cheapest ticket, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's Notre Dame, bro, and it's going to be cold too.
Speaker 3:Don't get me started on no Catholic sports, no.
Speaker 4:Sursky Shout out to that Michigan and Alabama game though. Oh yeah, they schedule interesting matchups. I'm messing with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a bowl. Yeah, that's going to be a bowl.
Speaker 4:I'm for sure tuning into that. I appreciate them doing that.
Speaker 2:That's for the culture and you know what? Another one, which the Georgia Tech-Vanderbilt, because those two have been two controversial teams.
Speaker 4:They were like the same type of team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they really.
Speaker 4:Yeah, colorado-byu is. I'm something on that too. Yeah, that's going to be a good one that's a conference game. Why would they do that?
Speaker 2:Wait, no, no, but then you get Iowa State and Miami.
Speaker 4:Yeah, messing with that, but we got to remember all those players might opt out though.
Speaker 5:No, Colorado, they already said they playing.
Speaker 4:Well, Deion wasn't about to let that happen. But I mean some of them, other teams like BYU, nah, they probably going to play too?
Speaker 5:Nah they going to play?
Speaker 4:I can see Cam Ward not playing.
Speaker 5:He ain't got no reason not to. He want to cry about not making the playoffs? Get out there and show why y'all shouldn't have.
Speaker 4:Y'all shouldn't have. I wonder if Alabama QB going to cut.
Speaker 5:Milrow, he got to play Because he's had up and down season anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he got to build his stock.
Speaker 5:Yeah, if he's even thinking about leaving, he needs to go out there and put on a good performance.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. I think, like a Miami goes out there and try to really put their foot on the Iowa State. I think so yeah, I think so you got to show out, to show them like hey, next year, like you said, the Colorados, even the BYU, like both of them teams really need to compete hard to put some respect on their names. You know what I mean. And to your point.
Speaker 5:I think it's even more important that you leave the right taste in the voters mouth going into.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 5:As I say that. But you got to leave it right. You know what I'm saying going into the next season. Because if they go out there regardless if Cam Ward plays or whoever and they get blown out, you're going to remember that next year. So if they on the bubble, you're going to remember the fact that they got their butt whooped.
Speaker 2:South Carolina, ole Miss both of those schools, yeah, they need to really go out and whoop on whoever. They whoop on Illinois, which is a good team to beat who was competing in the Big Ten, duke and it's ACC school, so you know you don't know what you're going to say about that, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But still, like, ole Miss, go out there and put up 52 on them. You know what I'm saying. Like and just show. Like, hey, look we, when y'all are questioning where we deserve to be. Like, show them. And Alabama, if Alabama goes out there and puts on a show against Michigan, you might hey, it's a sit back. Like, oh okay.
Speaker 5:But I don't think Michigan get a whole lot of I mean, they were bad this year.
Speaker 2:But I mean, like they probably not trying to.
Speaker 5:But I'm just saying though, like they were bad this year, but I mean like they probably not trying to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say but I'm just saying, though, like they played Indiana tough, that came down to. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but they.
Speaker 2:They play top teams tough. So if you're, you know Alabama, if you go out there and destroy them and they look like, okay, well, shoot they. You know, even though this has been a down year for Michigan, they beat Ohio State, but they competed against all the top ranked teams that they played against. They competed for the most part. It wasn't like they were getting dominated all season, even though they record don't reflect that If they work Michigan, it still doesn't change my feelings about how Alabama is.
Speaker 3:No, it won't change your feelings? It don't change your feelings.
Speaker 5:It, don't they your feelings. My final thought, though, because y'all always say I don't let you know, december the 21st, I had to make sure I had the right date. U-sick and Fury 2 is December the 21st it wouldn't be the same day as all the playoffs. Well, it'll be that night. It's going to be late atoff. Well, it'll be that night. It's gonna be late.
Speaker 2:You know it's gonna be late at night, it'll be during that tennessee ohio state game, because that's at 8 pm no, no, no, this fight probably won't start till about midnight yes, it's a yeah I gotta see exactly where it's at.
Speaker 5:I don't know the location, but if he's overseas, don't forget yeah them, them be like 4 pm fights, because because you're like man, I forgot it was even on.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, that's what I'm saying, because you got SMU and Penn State, clemson and Texas and Tennessee and Ohio State.
Speaker 5:I have to see where it's at, but just wanted to let you know on the 21st that U6 Fury 2 is that rematch is taking place. And then I don't know if you've seen it, as I say this too real quick, I brought up Malik Murphy. I said something to you, jared, that's the quarterback at Duke, and I told you to check him out. I saw where he's entered the transfer portal, so I'm curious to see where he goes.
Speaker 5:I didn't know he was at Texas they talked about. He was actually there with Arch Manning and Quinn.
Speaker 3:Ears. I'm going to just go ahead and tell you that that fight is probably going to be an early one. It's being fought in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 5:Oh then, yep, Yep, yep, yep, that's going to be an early one, probably, then, yep.
Speaker 2:It's going to be during that Texas Clemson game Probably.
Speaker 5:Probably Yep. Yeah if not during the SMU Penn State game. Yeah, because in Saudi right now it's 6.07 in the morning they said, estimated, the cards start at 2.
Speaker 3:So they'll probably be on the flight. They'll probably be on the ring out at around 6 pm roughly.
Speaker 5:Yep about 5, 6 o'clock.
Speaker 2:That's Tennessee, Ohio.
Speaker 5:State y'all man Yep. Why would they do that?
Speaker 2:I got multiple TVs.
Speaker 3:I was, they do that.
Speaker 5:I got multiple TVs, so I was going to say I guess I just had two going at that time.
Speaker 4:Y'all know I'm down. Hey, I'll be watching a bunch of other shit, so Sure, we could just go to.
Speaker 2:Jared's.
Speaker 4:I mean, that's always not.
Speaker 2:Make a thing.
Speaker 4:Fire up that good boy fire stick for the free 99. Thing. Fire up that good boy fire stick for the free $99.
Speaker 5:Hey, always a deal for me, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, with that being said, this has been the Epic Podcast man. Some of us will see y'all next week, who knows, don't?
Speaker 5:say it like that. I don't know, you're right, hey, you're right, we holla.