E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Unpredictability in College Football and Hoops Madness
Can basketball and college football offer more than just thrilling games and buzzer-beaters? Prepare to uncover the hidden dynamics and strategic moves shaping today's sports landscape. We explore the latest from the WNBA, spotlighting must-see matchups like the Chicago Sky versus the Fever, and the Aces against the Valkyries. With a nod to Diana Taurasi's legendary career and the swirling rumors of her retirement, we shift to the NBA, analyzing the NBA Cup standings and which teams are battling for playoff contention. This episode promises to deliver insights into the evolving world of professional basketball and the exciting narratives unfolding on the court.
The unpredictability of the NBA and WNBA playoffs captures our attention as we compare it to the madness of March tournaments and soccer's knockout thrillers. Highlighting unexpected success stories like the Pacers and the Rockets, we dive into the strategic rebuild of Houston's team. The spotlight is on rising stars like Jalen Green and Alperen Şengün, whose performances are turning heads and boosting the Rockets' potential. With comparisons to the Oklahoma City Thunder's approach, we discuss how Houston's young talent is paving the way for a promising future and why they are a team worth watching this season.
But it's not just basketball stealing the show. The chaos and complexity of college football rankings are our final focus. We're breaking down the implications of big games and potential losses for teams like Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Penn State. How do quality wins and rigorous schedules in conferences like the SEC weigh in? We debate the selection committee's priorities and predict the possible shake-ups in rankings. With no clear frontrunner, this college football season promises drama and unexpected twists, and we're here to guide you through every potential playoff scenario. Join us for a comprehensive look at what could be one of the most unpredictable seasons yet.
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Speaker 2:Yo yo, welcome to another episode of the Epic Podcast. Man. We in the house tonight with my guy Jared and Boom. What's up y'all man? How was y'all's sports weekend?
Speaker 4:Rough to say the least, it was good. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't really complain either. Everything was all right on my end for the most part. We might have Ike joining us later and Justin joining us later too, so we may have a full squad today, but we're going to jump right into it. Man, we got a lot of stuff to talk about. We weren't here last week, took a little break, giving everybody a little break.
Speaker 3:Got that holiday pay going on.
Speaker 2:Man, I wish, I wish I could pay y'all something. Got to keep grinding, though.
Speaker 4:At PTO.
Speaker 2:You said PTO Got to keep grinding. Though At, PTO Gotta keep grinding, though We'll get there. We'll get there one day.
Speaker 3:We'll get there one day I'm watching the end of this UC game.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, you're good, you're good Real quick.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to talk about WNBA. They dropped their schedule. Talk about just the must-see games coming up this regular season and what date they are. So you got of course, chicago Sky and the Fever. They play May 17th. Got to see them. Dallas Wings in Minnesota play May 21st. New coaches in Atlanta Dreams and the Los Angeles Spark play May 27th. Hopefully Cameron Brink is back from her knee injury so we finally get to see her in action.
Speaker 2:The Aces and the Valkyries Becky Hammond's former assistant is coaching the Valkyries now, so that'll be a matchup between them June 7th. You got Las Vegas and the Minnesota Lynx, which was a playoff matchup. We get them June 17th. Dallas Wings and the Fever. Of course Clark and the Buckners, who faced in the NCAA tournament twice. They play each other. And then of course, the Fever and the Sun. We got their old coach, stephanie White, so we return back to. She'll go back, she'll be back in Boston to play them July 15th. Then August 10th, minnesota Lynx and the New York Liberty the championship game replay. Then you got Liberty and the Aces. They play again August 13th, which is the playoff game, and then the Phoenix Mercury and Daleks Wing Probably going to be Taurasi's last game. Yeah, man, on her 43rd birthday.
Speaker 4:She should have retired this year.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought. I thought she was going to retire this year, but it's not like she's going to give it one more go, so it'd be her 21st year in the league she's putting up LeBron numbers.
Speaker 4:Well, look at this point, she definitely on ball time. Yeah, Ball time yeah. Ball time is crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean she's still productive. I mean she got a couple championships under her belt, a couple MVPs, a couple Olympic gold medals. So I mean she done, did everything you could do. Yeah, at this point it's kind of like what you plan for try to get one more squeeze out, one more championship out.
Speaker 4:And that's the thing I think they really kind of passed that I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her and Grindr, and that I think they didn't have a good season last year. I don't even think they made the playoffs last year they didn't, they didn't. Time to hit that reset button.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I want to say the last playoff spot was literally between them and the Fever, and the Fever ended up sweeping them, so they got that top.
Speaker 2:Oh no, they didn't. No, no, no, they made it.
Speaker 4:They did.
Speaker 2:Yep, so it was the Atlanta Dream at eight Phoenix was seven and fever was six. Seattle was five, aces was four, sons with three, links was two and liberty was one yeah so they they barely made it at at 19 and 21, but, like I said, still like, yeah, I think she, like I'm with you, I think she should have been done.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not like I can see if they had like a young team, because last year she was the third leading scorer, behind Cooper and Griner.
Speaker 2:She averaged 15 points a game, four rebounds, four assists. Yeah, she's barely average right now compared to just what she's been in the past.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not worth it at this point. I could have swore at the beginning of the year that I was talking about this past season being her last year. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I'm with you on that, all right. Nonetheless, man, with you on that, all right, nonetheless, man. Jump over to the NBA. Real quick. Talk about this NBA Cup, who's in and who's clinched already and who's out, because we got some people that's already eliminated. So we got some people who clinched and then we got some teams that's in contention. I'm going to start in the East real quick. Atlanta's already clinched a group C, but everybody else, a lot of the teams in contention, like Orlando, magic, the Knicks, bucks, detroit and Boston, are all still in contention in their groups, and the eliminated in the east is Brooklyn, charlotte, bulls, cleveland, pacers, heat Sixers, toronto and the Wizards. They're all eliminated from contention.
Speaker 4:I didn't even think the Cavs were being eliminated.
Speaker 2:You got to go on a run in these little group plays.
Speaker 3:You really can't lose no games.
Speaker 2:Maybe one or two, but you really got to go on the run.
Speaker 3:They've lost three games all year. Two of them have been cup games. You done Damn. So yeah, it's brutal. I think they need to redo that. Actually, I think they'll figure it out more.
Speaker 2:I think, with this being the second year, like you said, I think they're still trying to work through it and figure it out to get a permanent format.
Speaker 3:I think they need to eliminate having the floors for the in-season tournament, because I think that's what's making it. You know, only Tuesdays and Friday games where they should just be able to like have them sporadically thrown out through your first, you know, third of the season or whatever, because, yeah, I don't know how the Cleveland Cavaliers are 17-3 and they're not going to play for it. You know they lost their group in the cup. That's crazy. They need to rework it already.
Speaker 3:But I like the idea, Just need some tweaking. I think I agree with that.
Speaker 2:Jump over to the Western Conference. So teams that's clinched already Houston Rockets and Golden State both clinched Teams is in contention a lot. You got the Blazers, you got the Clippers, you got the Spurs, the Suns, OKC, Dallas, Denver and Memphis all still in contention In eliminations right now. You got the Lakers, got, uh the timberwolves, pelicans, uh, kings and the jabs are all eliminated as of now.
Speaker 4:so um, I would definitely say, the two surprises to me are the timberwolves and the rockets yes, I agree with that because the rockets have kind of they didn't kind of low-key, went on a tear here I want to say, maybe like the past week, if not two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm about to say two weeks, about two weeks, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they done. Went on a little tear here and then the Timberwolves they slowly on a decline with how everything's going there, you know, with Anthony Edwards not being too about their performances and stuff like that, you know. But hey, it's Cup season so you know, nobody expected the Pacers to make it all the way to the finals last year. So I think in a good way it's good to have something like this, because it kind of offers like a march madness type feel, because you just don't know who's gonna make it. I mean, you do on the outside looking in, but not until them games is played. And you know once you had them knockout rounds you know it ain't no best of seven.
Speaker 4:You know, if you win, you win, you lose, you lose yeah, nah, and I like that too.
Speaker 2:Like it's kind of a soccer style type of situation, like you got to keep winning, to keep playing, um, and it kind of gets it over with too, so you can kind of get on with the rest of the season, um. But like I said, I think it's a good early test to place a little pressure on teams to see how they perform, but nothing too crazy. And, like you said, I think like the Rockets is a huge surprise. I mean, even we expect Golden State to be good, just based on their history. But I mean, you look at the loss of clay. You got a bunch of these. You know these guys who've been playing in and out of rotation, you know, for years now getting bigger roles and they're playing really good right now.
Speaker 2:So, um, but I kind of figured the rockets would come around just with, uh, having old boy as their coach he's I think he's a real good coach um, having a bunch of young guys too. You know all the picks they acquired through, you know, moving around some of their stars. It's kind of like an okc thing, like eventually you're going to hit on some of those guys and they're going to start gelling Some of those young guys are going to start gelling and playing together, mixed in with a couple of veterans like Van Fleet, a couple of other guys, I mean they're going to come together, I believe. So I think that's kind of what's going on in Houston right now.
Speaker 2:But it's still super early.
Speaker 4:They got. Who was that? How do you pronounce his last name? Is it Sagoon? Sagoon got, uh, who is that? Is it I pronounce his last name? Is it sagoon? Yeah, yeah, uh, he, he's really over the past few years he's kind of started to, you know, elevate his game. Uh, I think jalen green he's. I ain't gonna say he ain't a contract here, but you know he wanted to get more money because I think he signed he signed some type of weird contract.
Speaker 2:Who are?
Speaker 4:you talking about.
Speaker 2:Jalen.
Speaker 4:Green. Oh, okay, yeah, I want to say, was it a two plus one or something like that? Where? He got the money quicker.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking of showing me his money. I'm looking at him right now. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4:Because I know the center. He signed a lucrative deal. But Jalen Green I want to say he was the one who signed. It was like a little funky deal. But I want to say he gets to re-up earlier than expected.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, they're not showing me anything he signed three years, 105.
Speaker 3:So yeah, two plus one, yep, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I mean three year 105. So, yeah, two plus one, yep, yeah, yeah, so I mean it's, it's kind of like it's a card because he technically he'll be able to uh re-up after this year, since this is two plus one, um, but you know, kind of like well, it was an extension, so so he still has two years and then it's an option year.
Speaker 3:So 25, 26, he's on the contract, 26, 27, he's on the contract, then the 27, 28 season. He can opt in or opt out.
Speaker 4:Okay, but he'll be able. That's what I'm saying. Wouldn't he be able to do an extension? Well, not after this year, but after next year. Basically, Instead of doing the option, he'll be able to actually do another contract extension.
Speaker 3:Yeah after a couple years. Yeah, yeah, so the summer of 2028, he'll be able to, you know, extend. I mean, he'll probably be able to extend earlier, but it wouldn't kick in until after that season.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, and I mean right now. The Rockets got seven people averaging in double figures right now, damn so you got Green you got Seagun, you got Van Fleet, you got Brooks Smith Jr, thompson and Eason all right now averaging 11 or more points. A game that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Dan Whitmore ain't even in the fold, which is crazy, I mean.
Speaker 2:but he's right there. I mean, he's only playing nine minutes a game, ten minutes a game. He's only averaging six points right now. So I don't think he's really getting the opportunity right now because, like I say, when you got seven people averaging ten points a game, so that's two bench players coming in and giving you at least 20 a night. You know what I'm saying, no matter what. So, and that's 21 games. Everybody's played in 21 games.
Speaker 1:And he ain't there in everything too.
Speaker 2:So yeah, he only played eight, with more on he played an eight game.
Speaker 4:So yeah, with with Thompson starting to come into his own on that defensive end, he probably ain't going to get too much clock, because that's really who he kind of playing behind is Thompson and Green.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I forgot about Smith Jr. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you got Easton in there too, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean it's really hard, and Seagun too, like it's hard to get in there and break that and they both averaging them there two blocks a game, almost too and two steals three steals between're. Two blocks a game, almost two and two steals, three steals between the two of them too. So they're playing really good defense. So to just, you know to, to crack into that, that lineup with them two guys, I think it's going to be tough right now. So I think we're probably gonna have to just buy this time and just maximize his minutes.
Speaker 2:You yeah, so I can do that, but what we all here for. You know, I'm going to jump over to this college football because this is outrageous right now man Freaking outrageous. But I'm happy. I'm happy because we've been going ham in the chat talking about different scenarios and things.
Speaker 4:Ruffling feathers boy Got to, though, but this is what makesling feathers.
Speaker 2:boy Got to though.
Speaker 2:But this is what makes it exciting, though I think anyway, because I mean in past years I mean the top four it ain't really been much to talk about. There's not really been too many scenarios that could really change that up. You really only had a few teams that could buy for a spot. But now, with it opening up, and now there's scenarios where teams can make it in or get bumped out with one game and ain't even got to play, you know, but nonetheless I'm gonna let you start this boom. What do you think about the playoff layout as it is right now?
Speaker 4:I mean it's cool, Anything you disagree with.
Speaker 2:I guess we just start there. I still don't agree with Bama being in. It's cool. Anything you disagree with, I guess we just start there.
Speaker 4:I still don't agree with Bama being in it right now. I mean, I'm just going off of how many losses and the quality of those losses, like that's what I'm really kind of stuck on, kind of stuck on, um, not to say that you know other teams losses are better, but it's just, you know, I see this as a down year for bama. So do I think they deserve to be in the playoffs? No, but who would you replace him with behind? The teams behind them aren't making a better case. The teams behind them aren't making a better case to be in the playoffs. So it's kind of like a toss-up. But if the playoffs started today, they'll be going to Ohio State.
Speaker 2:No, they won't, they'll be going to Notre Dame. Notre Dame If everything stayed the same, it will be Arizona State versus Penn State Dame If everything stayed the same.
Speaker 1:It would be Arizona State versus Penn.
Speaker 2:State. It'll be Tennessee versus Ohio State. Tennessee would be going to Ohio State. We'd be going to Notre Dame. We'd be going to South Bend.
Speaker 4:I thought Notre Dame was number four.
Speaker 2:No, Notre Dame is number six. I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 4:Damn Okay.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame is six.
Speaker 4:Alabama is 11.
Speaker 2:The college football rankings and the Damn Okay, well, yeah because they're tripping us man.
Speaker 3:The college football rankings and the playoff bracket are two completely set of numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm looking at the bracket right now Because, technically, Arizona. State will be the fifth conference champion, if everything stayed the same.
Speaker 3:But you got to figure if Penn State loses to Oregon. They're coming out of the four period, so like they might even drop lower than they for sure will be behind us and they'll probably be one of the lower, so they will probably, I think you.
Speaker 2:If they lose. I think you switch Ohio State and Penn State. I think you put Ohio State at five and then you put Penn State at eight.
Speaker 3:That's probably what would have happened if Penn State loses, because Penn State, I think you put Ohio State at five and then you put Penn State at eight. That's probably what would have happened if Penn State loses, because Penn State they have zero quality wins like none. I don't think.
Speaker 4:That would be weird for me. They shouldn't slide down too far, because they would only be losing to the number one team in the country. Right, but you can't put anybody.
Speaker 2:But if Ohio State is at eight, you can't put Penn State above Ohio State when they lost to Ohio State At home. So that's why I say you just switch them, you drop Penn State to eight and then you put Ohio State at five, which that puts them above Notre Dame, because Notre Dame don't have a conference. I don't think Notre Dame should just be at five because they're conference-less.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean they have the worst loss in it. I think I want to say yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think, and they haven't played a lot and their strength of schedule is horrible.
Speaker 3:That NIU loss at home is crazy.
Speaker 4:They might have the worst loss out of anybody in the picture right now. I mean it is, but then again that's when you would have to go look at Bama also.
Speaker 2:I mean Bama, I don't even I personally don't think Bama should be in there, I think you should put Miami in there and I was just talking to Jared about this off camera Like I think you put Miami in there because I really don't even think Clemson should be even playing for the ACC championship based on just their conference record, because they only got one conference loss. But you didn't play the SMU, you didn't play Miami, like you didn't play the top dogs in the ACC to get that record. So you know Miami's loss, miami's two losses they play the top dogs, like you know what I mean and they competed. Miami's two losses they played the top dogs, you know what I mean and they competed. So I think if you want to play for the championship, then play the best teams in the conference.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I say the same thing about Penn State. Like Penn State, you didn't play. You played Ohio State, okay, cool, but you got to play. You need to be playing the Iowas, you need to be playing the Michigans, you need to be playing the michigans, you need to be playing the top dogs and the big 10 so we can really see what your record is about. And that's why, when we were talking in the chat I was putting I was talking about the sec, because the sec teams, the top dogs, play each other.
Speaker 2:So you can look at a bama record and say, okay, they lost to a tennessee cool, that's a top dog. You can look at a georgia and say, okay, they lost to alabama, that's a top dog, like, you know what I'm saying. So when you're looking at these, these teams beating each other in scc, I'm like, okay, they're losing to the other top dogs in the scc, so we're gonna give respect to that. When you look at these other teams, you like, you like you're looking at a, like I said, a penn state or, uh, notre dame, and these teams ain't playing nobody, but we're, because they're 11 and one, we're just, okay, notre dame, six, or they should be the first non-conference team non-champion at five. It's like, well, look at they lost. Like you said, jared, look at they lost, and then who have they beat? They're not playing top teams at all.
Speaker 4:But can you really hold that against them if, let's say, at the beginning of the season?
Speaker 2:Because at Notre Dame you get to pick whoever you want to play.
Speaker 4:Well no, they got contracts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm just saying though, like, come on, who wouldn't? It's Notre Dame, who couldn't they schedule?
Speaker 4:I mean they could schedule anybody they got. I want to say, did they just finish, or are they supposed to be having a home and away with either Ohio State or Texas?
Speaker 3:One of them Just finished Ohio State, when that was last year and the year before.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, I want to say they got Texas then coming up.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not even going to crap on Notre Dame's schedule like that.
Speaker 4:I mean they play a lot of the same teams every year.
Speaker 3:but I mean, USC is usually good, they play them every year, Stanford is usually decent. Oh, they played Stanford. Okay, they're usually decent. I mean, you know, then they get.
Speaker 2:Texas A&M.
Speaker 3:Texas A&M was ranked 20 at that time that's supposed to be good. So that's a solid schedule. Just those two teams right now.
Speaker 2:They beat Louisville. Louisville was 15 at that time. They beat Navy Navy was 24 at that time.
Speaker 4:They beat Army and Army was 19th at that time. And then they beat USC. You can't hold it against them. I mean, I guess you can't hold it against them if they was ranked at the time and then they fall off afterwards.
Speaker 3:We can, we can't hold it against them being like Because now, when?
Speaker 2:you're picking the playoff, you can see what teams really stand out when you look at the end, like the end of the year rankings. Now Jonathan was talking about, oh you know, when he was talking about Indiana, he was talking about Nebraska and stuff like that. These teams ain't nowhere to be seen now in the top 25. We kind of know what they were. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:When they played they were ranked, though.
Speaker 2:I think they were ranked 15, but we, when you're gonna give them credit for when they was ranked at the beginning of the year, where'd they end up?
Speaker 4:that shows you what type of team they are at the beginning of the year they wasn't right, but when they actually played they were. Both teams were right. Both teams are ranked at the beginning of the year. When they actually played against each other, they was both right. And I say something yeah, go ahead I think what we're?
Speaker 3:we're going in circles because on one side of it is they haven't played anybody, but then you have to keep it consistent. Boom. What I think you're doing is you're saying that people haven't played anybody, but then you want to give these teams credit, like army and navy, for being ranked, but they haven't played anybody. So it's like which you got to pick a path.
Speaker 3:Either we're going to respect undefeated ranking or we're just going to respect who you've beaten. It can't be both, and I'm not saying anything you said is wrong. But I think that's going to help put a little bit more perspective on the conversation. Because when I see Notre Dame beating an undefeated ranked Navy team, I don't, that's nothing to me. When I see a Notre Dame team be and this is nothing against Notre Dame, because we've all, every, every team in it has beat teams that are not worthy but when I see a Notre Dame be the undefeated ranked army team, that that's, that's nothing like that, you know. So you can't like give credit and then not give credit on on the flip side, I mean those teams, yeah, those teams are ranked, but yeah, those teams haven't beat anybody, weren't going to beat anybody and it's over.
Speaker 2:I mean if you're looking at an Army. For example, a 10-1 Army can't crack the top 15?.
Speaker 3:They're not beating anybody Like you could make an All-Star team out of that of an undefeated Navy and an undefeated Army team, and I'm taking a three-loss Alabama team over them big.
Speaker 4:They winning. Against whoever's on their schedule, they winning.
Speaker 2:I get that yeah, we're not arguing that. We're not arguing that.
Speaker 3:But everything has to have some circumstance. It has to have. You have to have like I can't think of the right word, but every situation is different. I can't think of the right word, but every situation is different. If you're undefeated and you haven't played anybody, that's worth anything. You've got to be able to objectively look at that and be like all right, well, we've got to base them on a curve because they haven't played anybody. It doesn't matter to me how many wins and losses a team has. I'm looking at how they play and I'm not one that actually just looks at the standings Like I'm watching the games. I'm looking at what they're doing against, who they're playing against, and you got to make your own opinion based on that. You can't. There's no one clear-cut way to determine. You can't just look at one way and just not consider the other. You got to look at both sides of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I'm thinking about too. Like when you look at these bottom I guess you could say bottom 13 teams, you know. You look at like how you know, a 9-3 Ole Miss and a 9-3 South Carolina at 13 and 14. You got Arizona State at 10 and 2. You know what I mean. Like there's a lot of 9-3s and 10-2s. You know what I mean in this bottom 13.
Speaker 3:How do you move them? You know what I mean. I got another perfect example. I just watched my UC Bearcats. I'm a Bearcat fan. As far as college basketball, they were ranked number 14, hadn't beat anybody. Their best win was Georgia Tech, but played like Alabama State and Kennesaw State, I think, and Northern Kentucky Haven't played anybody, but they were undefeated, ranked 14. I was telling my dad this whole weekend like there's no way we're the number 14 ranked team in the country. We just went to Villanova, which is a 4-4 team, and got beat by eight. You know what I'm saying. You can't look at rankings and undefeated. You've got to look. We watched all the games and I can tell this team is not good. They're not good. They're winning, they're beating lesser opponents, but they're not good. The game literally just ended like a minute and 30 seconds ago. They lost to a 4-4 Villanova team, which you're the 14th ranked team in the nation. You're undefeated. You should have won. That's just not how it works.
Speaker 4:I think it's different with college basketball, though, because IU was just ranked and they out here getting smacked.
Speaker 3:It's football too. How can you say that doesn't apply to football?
Speaker 2:It's the same way in football too.
Speaker 3:Same exact thing Records don't always tell a story. Rankings don't always tell a story. It's the same exact thing. I don't understand how that's even remotely different.
Speaker 2:And, like I said, I'm with you. Like I've been saying for the past couple weeks, I don't think a three-loss team should be in at all. I just don't Not in the playoff. I don't think so. So, alabama being in even though I'm a fan of Alabama, I don't think they should be in, especially when you got a 10-2 Miami right there.
Speaker 3:And I'm a fan of Ohio State.
Speaker 4:We're not good, we're not good, we're not good. Ohio State is a quarterback away.
Speaker 3:That's not good. If you're a quarterback away, that means you suck. No, if you're a quarterback away, that means you suck. Like I said, like I was telling, like I've been telling my guys this all year, when they named Will Howard the starting quarterback, I was like, yeah, it's not going to be this year. It's like that just doesn't even fit with anything. That does not. It just doesn't fit. That's not Ohio State. Like with the history of Ohio State that just don't go. Yeah, A loser reject from another school and made him our starter.
Speaker 4:That's not even like no, Because Ohio State goes, they bring that freshman in and he plays all three years, unless he stays four-four.
Speaker 3:And we got two five-star all-world freshmen on our team and they didn't play. We chose this reject from Kansas State to run the offense and it's just like I knew then and this is on wax, like you can ask anybody. I knew then John Fitzpatrick. I told him in the summertime I was like this is not going to be the year Picked the wrong quarterback. It's just nothing about him fits our success of recent. And it showed its colors when I looked at the 31-7 loss against uh northwestern. That's not good enough. When, when we, when we beat nebraska 20 to 13 or whatever, after I, you beat them 55 to nothing, 55-6, I'm like that's that's not good enough. So, like everybody's all shocked that they lost to michigan, I wasn't the least bit shocked. A little disappointed, yeah.
Speaker 4:Shocked? No, I was shocked. I was shocked. You weren't shocked at all.
Speaker 3:But you probably haven't watched a ton of Ohio State football either.
Speaker 4:No, I was shocked due to the fact that everybody knew Michigan was coming in. They was not going to throw that ball. They, they would not go throw that ball. They would not go throw that ball the defense of Ohio State.
Speaker 3:They didn't really do much of anything. I mean they got a couple, they got like two nice runs that put the guy at 119 yards, but the quarterback had 62. The defense played well. Yeah, the quarterback. The defense played outstanding. The lack of a quarterback is what lost that game for us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Ohio State, you expect points from Ohio State. Yeah, with those receivers, that talent they got, you expect some points, ten points is crazy.
Speaker 3:I was thinking I'm like man. When is the last time we scored ten points or less? Then I thought about the Orange Bowl back in 2016. We got beat 31 to nothing, but other than that, I can't even remember us scoring, you know, less than two touchdowns in a game.
Speaker 4:I ain't know, Y'all probably have the best wide receiver, the top, the best top three wide receivers in the country. Yeah and running backs.
Speaker 2:They have the talent. It's like yeah.
Speaker 3:The coaching was goofy. The quarterback is goofy.
Speaker 4:Hey, because with who y'all got Tate? What is it?
Speaker 3:Jermon Smith, ibuka Brandon Innes, another five-star.
Speaker 4:And then you got Ducans and William Henderson. And running back ain't no way in hell you shouldn't be putting up damn near 40 points a game.
Speaker 3:Exactly Like I said, it started well before Michigan week. It started well before then. Like I said, one to seven against Northwestern didn't cut it, didn't cut it. I didn't get to see that game because I was traveling to Chicago on my way to LA, so I missed that game. But yeah, you know I was following it. It's not, it's just it wasn't. It was never it for me. So people want to, of course you know, people want to tease you and get under your skin. Ha-ha, your team lost. I mean, fortunately for me. Like I smelled this coming and I've said it on the show a few times, like not a surprise to me at all. But hey, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just on the couch.
Speaker 4:Nah, it's a rivalry game, so I knew it was a win.
Speaker 2:That's true, and there's certain teams that just get up for other certain teams, Like you know what I mean, Like Auburn, even though Alabama smacked them this year. Like Auburn usually gets up for us. Like Georgia, like we get up for Georgia. Like it's just certain teams that.
Speaker 3:Just do that. They were tougher too, I mean, it's like. I mean I don't think there's been a huge talent disparity any of the last four seasons, you know. In fact, I think we've probably had a better team at least half those matchups, but it's a tough. They've out-toughed us, they've out-smarted us, we've been out-coached. All that stuff matters and you know, shout-out to them. Like, again, I'm not one of the ones that, oh my God, I hate Michigan. There's really some people that would rather beat Michigan than win a national championship. I think that's the most bizarre thing in the world.
Speaker 4:I'm not one of them.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 3:I've heard that I've told y'all this before. It's always football first, and then who I'm a fan of it, and then who I'm a fan of. It's basketball first and then who I'm a fan of. I'm always going to be a fan of good football.
Speaker 3:I'm always going to be a fan of good basketball. That's why I had nothing against IU IU's playing. They played some really good football this year. They have. I mean, I've watched it, so I've watched them play good football. I don't know what. I was one to say that I thinking iu had a chance to beat us. You know, they had some. They had some blunders on the special teams and you know. But I'm a fan of good football so I'm not with all that. You know, I hate this team with all my heart, like that's corny to me.
Speaker 4:So none of this was surprised me at all yeah, I knew, I knew, I knew when we, when, um, we scored that first touchdown, I was like okay, it's looking good.
Speaker 3:but but once Ohio State started blitzing, oh, yeah, yeah, but like we didn't do any of that against Michigan, Like I don't know what, bizarre, bizarre. But I don't want to make this a show about that, Because you know I can keep on going.
Speaker 2:I mean, indiana is a reflection of their coach. Yeah, and if you just and this is why I was saying what I was saying in the chat If you just go back and look at JMU, it's damn near the same thing.
Speaker 2:Jmu was killing until they came up against competition, when they got up against one of them top dogs, I just feel, like Indiana, they in the prime position to show it, but again they didn't know who their coach was going to be and, like you said, the schedule was just made out years in advance in some situations. But, bruh, they didn't play the big dogs. And when they did play a big dog, you see what happened. So it's like when I'm talking about Indiana I'm like I'm not against IU. I hope I look, it's always that first.
Speaker 1:Like I'm always for the Z, you know what I mean, but I hope exactly Like.
Speaker 2:I hope they win. You know, I hope they continue success and keep on building. But I need them to play the Penn States. I need them to play the Michigans and the Ohio States and the Iowas. You know what I mean. Play those teams, those real tough Big Ten teams, and get good wins against them.
Speaker 3:That's just going to show the cards, that's going to show, that's going to show, and that's like all right cool Like Indiana's for real. But like, but like what they schedule right now. That's what's keeping them at nine, but still, even still, they have the opportunity. Yeah, you wins their next three games. Guess what? I use national champions. So it's still all out there on the table. Everything that they need to do, everything is right out in front of them yeah, all right, and next and next year they play oregon and penn state.
Speaker 4:Those are the two top teams.
Speaker 3:That's all fine and dandy. They still have a national championship right there on their plate that they can go grab Right now. This year they go three and know the next three games. I use national champions, plain and simple, undisputed. Nobody can say, oh well, they haven't played anybody Because they're going to play somebody now.
Speaker 2:So they have every opportunity and the way it's lined up right now, they get Georgia.
Speaker 3:They have ample opportunity to prove. Georgia, I think, and I like Georgia. And Georgia can be got, but Georgia don't play a complete game. They don't. They don't play a complete game.
Speaker 2:Look at how they played against Kentucky, bro. That's the blueprint, right there.
Speaker 3:Hey, IU play is going to play 60 minutes. I'm not saying that I would pick IU over Georgia, but IU is going to play 60 minutes If Georgia don't play.
Speaker 2:Carson Beck is going to give you a chance to beat them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure they're going to give you a chance.
Speaker 4:Carson Beck usually be having them.
Speaker 2:slow starts, yeah, but you know what All the games Indiana has won. They started off fast.
Speaker 3:They dominated in the first half. They also ended fast too, because they didn't let off on Purdue at all.
Speaker 4:They pissed off by that Ohio State loss.
Speaker 3:They wouldn't let it go Nebraska, put them in the dirt Right.
Speaker 2:They had to bounce back, you know what I mean and usually Indiana. How they play in the first half shows you how the game is typically going to go. From what I've watched them this year, like I've seen when they've had real good solid offense going in the first half and it was kind of just putting through the whole game. But the games they've dominated the first half, they've been dominating the first half. So if they jump on Georgia they could beat them, as long as they don't get beside themselves like Tennessee did.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they really got to make them adjustments because I felt like that didn't happen against Ohio State. Once you seen Ohio State was about to start after that first and second blitz, you should have picked up on that and tried to redirect that. But once I saw that they wasn't picking up on them blitzes, I was like, oh yeah, it's curtains.
Speaker 3:And then the special team blunders killed them.
Speaker 2:That's all about special teams killed them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that punt, yeah they. They had a lot of stuff going against them and I give credit to ohio state for capitalizing on it all.
Speaker 2:But see that's. That's another thing too. Like that pressure of those big games, like indiana you ain't been here. This is what I was saying. Indiana, you ain't been here, you ain't been in these environments where ohio state has you know what I mean. They. They know that pressure of playing in those championship games, those playoff games, those type of atmospheres like indiana just ain't been there yet. So georgia, y'all got a chance, but it's one of them. Environments, you know what I mean. That is it's going that home environments.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean that is, it's gone. That home, that home field advantage is go, is go click in.
Speaker 2:And I just, I just think the pressure of the moment in the game, you know what I mean. It's just they haven't had that pressure on them before. Even at JMU they called, none of them has had that pressure before. So I think that's the one thing that wants mentally. If indiana gets it together mentally and can block out the noise and go play, oh they can beat anybody up or anybody because I, honestly, I feel like this field is wide open.
Speaker 4:Like you know, like I said before, you know, we've had, we haven't had, no dominant teams since that 22 Georgia team, where you, like, I don't see nobody beating them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, this year is wide open. Yeah, it's wide open.
Speaker 4:Like, honestly I ain't going to say anybody, but if the right team flicks that switch at the right time, anybody can kind of win it, I feel like if we could flip that switch.
Speaker 3:we got a chance, but I mean, do I think it's going to happen? No, but like you said, anybody, it's a new season, 3-0. Like I keep saying that's the bright side of the conference championship not being in it 3-0. All these teams are worried about now already being 3-0. Penn State, oregon they still got to play a game. Georgia. Who is Georgia playing?
Speaker 2:Tennessee, georgia playing Texas. No, no, no, no, for the championship it's Texas and Texas A&M.
Speaker 4:No, you serious? Yes, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 2:Because it's.
Speaker 4:I thought it was Texas, and Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Uh-uh, uh-uh. See, this is what I was talking about, jerry. It's based on the conference record. It's not based on their record.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's not how you want to see that, bro?
Speaker 2:I thought they had divisions, Bro, hold on, Hold on no. Texas A&M lost my bad no it's Texas and Georgia.
Speaker 1:No, it's Texas and Georgia. My bad Texas A&M lost.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about last week, when they had the win.
Speaker 3:What I was about to be like. Hold on, bro. We need a recount.
Speaker 2:There's no way I'm about to sit here and watch Texas A&M, but still even. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, but Georgia's already beat Texas, yeah.
Speaker 3:That should make for a good game. Though I'm intrigued, I think it's going to be real good, but just think if Texas loses.
Speaker 2:I mean Things are going to get so interesting, bro. Now you got Georgia in that buy spot, where do you drop Texas at with one?
Speaker 3:loss. What if Oregon loses?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Then Penn State will be the number one. Oh nah, we want that yeah.
Speaker 2:Penn State.
Speaker 4:And honestly, I would rather see the college football playoff committee have to be put in that spot where the top teams lose.
Speaker 3:Of course, you definitely want to see them sweat, for sure, of course.
Speaker 4:But I think Like, how far are you going to drop these teams?
Speaker 2:But I think all you do is you kick out Bama Like that's the problem. If any of these conference, these top seeded conference, if any one of them loses, all you do is bump Bama and drop everybody down one pretty much.
Speaker 4:But who you going to move in front of Bama?
Speaker 3:Bama just be out. I don't think any of the other teams have any upwards motion, like I said again, I believe you put in Miami. Yeah, I say, I say it's gonna kind of sneak in anyway you're gonna.
Speaker 4:You I say you bump out, you gotta bump out, you gotta bump albama and put miami in so if texas, if texas wins, how far do you think georgia falls and do you think that that loss bumps bama up?
Speaker 2:no, I think I think you again. If georgia wins, you put, you put Georgia, georgia will be at two, they'll be the number two seed, you know, with a bye. But then you drop, you put Texas, I think Texas drops to five. Then you drop Penn State to six, you drop Notre Dame to seven and, like I say, you just keep dropping them. You know what I mean. Ohio State will move up to stay, to stay at eight, tennessee stay at nine. Bama's out because I don't think bama be in with them losing, uh with texas, uh with them switching spots. And then you put you, like I say, you throw in miami, my alabama's benefiting from miami just not being in the championship. So really, they really need sm, they really need Clemson to lose, because if Clemson wins, if they beat SMU and they're in, they'll be number three. Clemson jumps to number three, gets a bye with beating SMU. Then you don't kick SMU out with one loss. Nah, exactly, they replace Bama. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Nah, I agree. I agree they're too close in the rankings, so Clemson definitely has to come up, but you can't bump SMU out.
Speaker 2:No, you can't. Like I said, you're not going to bump any of these top four seeds. You're not going to bump right now. You're not bumping Boise State. You're not bumping Boise State. You're not bumping Oregon, smu or Texas if they lose.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so really, bama has to be a fan of SMU, smu.
Speaker 2:They need SMU to win.
Speaker 4:Yeah, if they win, to keep the stay in.
Speaker 2:And again, I still don't think they deserve to be in. If it wasn't for Arizona State being top of the Mountain Conference, like I said, I would put maybe at 12, but maybe just based on scrunches schedule, that would be probably it, Because I don't see any of the other teams better than them. Like Ole Miss and South Carolina, I don't think you put them in front of Bama with the same record, Unless you want to bring in another Big 12 team at Iowa State or no, you know who I would really probably put it. I would put BYU in BYU they only got one loss.
Speaker 4:Right, they got two.
Speaker 2:But they've been ranked top 10 all season.
Speaker 3:They've been over a three-loss Alabama team. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying but they've been top five or top 10, my bad, all season, all year.
Speaker 3:I'm nothing bro.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't put them up. They wouldn't jump Bama for me. I couldn't put them above Bama.
Speaker 2:They beat SMU. They beat SMU. They beat Kansas State. Like their bad loss is Arizona State. Like you got to try, I know I'm looking at the bracket right now.
Speaker 3:I know one thing whoever finishes in that five, if Boise State wins, whoever finishes in that five spot has got a nice little path, because Arizona State and then Boise State, I think IU could handle both of them honestly.
Speaker 3:So if you get in that five because the way it's looking now is that Penn State's in that five, although this is it's looking now is that Penn State's in that five, although this is not possible because if Penn State loses, they're going to drop for sure. So Penn State is either going to be out of that five spot or in the one spot. So, yeah, they're not going to be able to finish five. But whoever finishes in that fifth spot, if Boise State holds, you know what?
Speaker 2:Decent it might be know what it might be Notre Dame.
Speaker 3:It might be yeah.
Speaker 2:They may just switch Notre Dame and Penn State spot. They may just put Notre Dame at five and drop Penn State to six, or no. Well, no, they'll probably drop Penn State to nine.
Speaker 4:Nah, I don't think they're going to put them that far back. Well, you can't put them above Ohio.
Speaker 2:State, because they already lost Ohio State. So either you bump Ohio State up or you drop.
Speaker 3:Ohio State to nine. They're coming under Ohio State for sure. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4:I think they'll keep them above Ohio State just for even though that they lost to Ohio State, I think they'll still keep them above, just because they made the Big Ten championship. Nah.
Speaker 3:Dennis Mitchell said Bama going to be in. I don't think the people really the real football people. I don't think they really respect Penn State anyway, like that's one of our quality wins, and I don't even respect them Like so I can't see it. But I mean, you never know. I know that Notre Dame is next up. You know, whoever loses, notre Dame is next up, and if they get well, I guess they can't go higher than five. So yeah, notre Dame is definitely going to finish five for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2:And then it says Bama going to be in.
Speaker 3:He says Miami's terrible.
Speaker 2:I don't know man. I watched a lot of Miami games. Miami is not terrible. They got one of the best offenses in the country.
Speaker 4:No, their defense is, their defense is, but I don't think Miami as a team is completely terrible.
Speaker 3:Nah, I don't think Miami is he's saying SMU.
Speaker 2:I think that's what he meant by it.
Speaker 3:That top half of the bracket, that top quarter of the bracket, is terrible yeah.
Speaker 2:I think he's saying SMU will come into play, yeah, big 12, arizona State. Still, I just don't think they're going to come. What conference is Boise State in? Boise State is no, that's Big 12. Boise State is in Big 12? I think. So Hold on, I'm going to look at that right now.
Speaker 3:One thing is like who's in the Big 12 championship? Why are they?
Speaker 2:not, oh no, boise State, mountain West, my bad, my bad.
Speaker 3:That person in Mountain West? Where's the Big 12 champion?
Speaker 4:I think the Big 12 is is that.
Speaker 2:Iowa, that is no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Big 12 championship, that's Arizona State, that's Arizona State.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right yeah.
Speaker 2:So because remember, we were talking about them possibly.
Speaker 1:We were talking about Colorado Since.
Speaker 2:Colorado lost again. It's going to be them versus Iowa State yeah.
Speaker 3:So I guess it's the four highest ranked. So basically, if you win a conference you're not automatically in a buy.
Speaker 2:You still got to be the top four, yeah so you got to be yeah so out of the big, yeah so out of the big 10, the big SEC and ACC. So the top, those, the top with the top records, will get the first four buys. But the 12th seed is automatically in with whoever the lowest out of the top five is If Boise State loses in theory.
Speaker 3:Arizona State can hop to that four.
Speaker 2:If they beat Iowa State. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3:I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they definitely can in the Mountain West at 11-1. Yeah, yes, that's interesting. Yeah, I can't wait to see how it unfolds. Yeah, no, they definitely can in the Mountain West at 11-1. Yeah, so that can switch to Arizona State because Arizona State is 10-2 and Iowa State is 10-2. So it could very easily Iowa State can jump into that 12 spot if they beat Arizona State.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think, if Boise State wins, they hold, though, but yeah, yeah, but yeah, they play UNLV yeah.
Speaker 4:They go get them. That's a win.
Speaker 2:They already beat. Well, they played them. They only won 29-24 in the season.
Speaker 1:Damn, that was a tough game.
Speaker 4:Damn I can't tough game.
Speaker 2:Damn, I can't even remember Was that early, though that was in the middle of the season. That was the what seventh game. You?
Speaker 3:know we started off real strong. I can't remember when.
Speaker 2:They still ranked 20th right now. They only got two losses. They 10-2.
Speaker 4:Didn't they hold the QB controversy. Yeah, he left, didn't they hold the QB controversy?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he left.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm out of here. I'll holler at y'all.
Speaker 2:Basically, I think you're right on that, jarrett, but then we can have it's crazy you and LV can jump in the fourth.
Speaker 3:Nah.
Speaker 2:Well, no, they'll jump in the 12th. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like if Boise State don't win, the Big 12 champion is going to jump into that fourth spot.
Speaker 2:But you know what? No, you still going to bump Alabama and put Boise State there. That's what's going to happen. Remember.
Speaker 3:Bump Alabama.
Speaker 2:Remember we were saying do we kick out?
Speaker 3:two-loss Boise State. Boise State will be 11-2. I'm nothing I would, but it ain't up to me. I'm definitely kicking out a two-loss Boise State team for a three-loss Alabama team out the gate and Boise State.
Speaker 2:I would say UNLV is their best win and they only won by five. They lost to Oregon, but they only lost by three. They don't have. No, there's no other their schedule. Nobody else on there Georgia, southern Portland State, washington State, utah State, hawaii, san Diego State, nevada, san Jose State, wyoming, oregon State. That's their schedule, damn that's a fucking cakewalk. That's what I'm saying. Maybe I agree with you. Maybe you do just bump them out for Bama. Just leave Bama in there.
Speaker 3:I can't justify that. Or do you bump them out for Miami? I will be okay with that too.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I will be okay with that too. I'm just saying I will be okay with that too. Yeah, no, that's tough. I need to see Arizona State schedule. That's what I need to see, because that's interesting. I wonder who they played.
Speaker 4:I haven't played anybody really?
Speaker 2:Nope, same thing Wyoming Mississippi State, texas State, texas Tech. They lost to Texas Tech. Kansas they beat Utah. Lost to Cincinnati, though. Beat Oklahoma State, UCF, kansas State, byu they beat BYU and Kansas State.
Speaker 3:Arizona State lost to UC Yep.
Speaker 2:All right, that's icy. They beat Arizona. Yeah, that's terrible. Yeah, I put a little respect on Arizona State's schedule.
Speaker 3:Give me Iowa State, bro. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean. But then I mean, granted, it's not the same situation. But you look at Miami, they beat a Florida Florida A&M Ball State.
Speaker 3:South Florida, Virginia Tech, Cal, Louisville, Florida.
Speaker 2:State Duke. You lost to Georgia Tech and you lost to Syracuse.
Speaker 3:You should have lost to Virginia Tech and another team you named Cal Cal, yep Yep, georgia Tech.
Speaker 4:You realistically have four lossesorgia tech is looking more like a strong that's a that's a strong, good, strong win, though they lost to them. No, I'm saying well, not a win, a loss. I'm sorry, just because you're saying georgia tech was is a good loss, I would say that's a. That's a good loss, just just based off of how they played against georgia yeah, but then you look they're seven and five yeah yeah it's go. Yeah, we're about to.
Speaker 2:We're about because, then we go, we go. We got to jump in back into babel conversation talking about good wins and good losses yeah, I know, I know, I know, like if you go give them credit for the losses, that's all I was saying. You got to give them credit for uh, you're gonna give them credit for the losses. That's what I was saying. You got to give them credit for the losses. You got to give them credit for the wins too.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and they put way more emphasis on who you beat than who you lose to.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They do and that's just the committee. That's just how they are, and I think that's why I banned me in, because they're like, okay, do we really kick them out, like you said?
Speaker 4:Jerry with their strength of schedule and they beat Georgia. Yeah, that's what the committee said. When the dude was talking about the placement of the teams, he was like they basically evaluate the wins, they don't care about the losses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean because, like you said, Bama got some of the worst losses out here. I mean just the Vanderbilt loss by itself is just tough. I don't think you penalize them, like you said, for the Tennessee loss or even the Oklahoma loss?
Speaker 4:I don't know the Oklahoma loss. Oklahoma was still in the ring.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then when you talk about Oklahoma, you look at where Oklahoma normally is. They're normally one of those premier schools in college football. Same way, you want to give Nebraska the nostalgia win. You know what I mean the nostalgia toughness in the Big Ten, oklahoma coming over to the SEC. You can say the same thing because Oklahoma has been competing in the Big 12 for years, but Nebraska hasn't been competitive for years in the Big 12. Right, but that's what I was trying to say to Jonathan in the chat. I'm like, bro, you can't give them credit on a Nebraska win when Nebraska's no longer even remotely close to being ranked.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I mean the reason I gave it credit is just because they was both ranked at the same time. That's why I gave them credit on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you can't even say. If Nebraska was an up-and-down school, then I would say okay, maybe, but with them just being bro. Three and six in the conference. Six and six overall.
Speaker 4:Yeah, after that IU lost loss, they kind of, really kind of went downhill, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like if you were talking about wins over, if you're talking about wins over illinois okay, cool. Iowa cool, michigan cool. Like these are teams that's competing in the big team conference wise, and and record wise, you know even minnesota like I would say, okay, but these ain't the teams that they're beating. It's hard for me to be like, alright, credit, credit, credit, credit. I just can't. You know what I mean. Like I said again, you just got to keep winning. I think we're at a point now that things are separating. But man, I want to see. I kind of want to see Clemson win, just to see what happens. See Clemson win, see Boise State lose, see Iowa State win, maybe to kick out Arizona State, and see how they sprinkle in, see what they do with Iowa State instead of Arizona State, and just I just want it to be chaos. I just want chaos.
Speaker 4:I want to see Clemson, Georgia and Penn State win. If those three teams win, this shit is about to hit the fan.
Speaker 2:Because you're going to have some mad teams. You're going to have a mad Miami. You're going to have a mad Bama. You're going to have some mad teams. You're going to have a mad Miami. You're going to have a mad Bama. You're going to have a mad Arizona State. It's going to have a lot of angry, super angry BYU sitting there at 10-2. What did we do?
Speaker 4:It's going to be a whole shuffle, but it's going to be a whole headache, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then when you have a, you know Indiana may drop. If those teams win, though, they may drop to like 11. Just because you're going to have to keep in the Boise States and those teams still going to be in. So you have to give them rank and just Indiana strength of schedule probably going to push them down to 11. You ain't going to be able to argue on the Indiana team. You ain't going to be able to look at an Ole Miss at 9-3 and say we should be in over Indiana.
Speaker 2:Nah, you're not going to be able to say that that's going to shut all them 9-3 teams up, because if Indiana's sitting there at 11 and you got conference champions ahead of them, you can't say nothing. You got conference champions ahead of them, you can't say nothing. So, like I said, I just really honestly I don't want Bama to be out because I'm a fan, but I think they don't deserve to be in because, like, I just don't think a 9-3 team should be in, especially when there's a bunch of 10-2 teams, quality teams at 10-2. That deserves a shot over us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, if they was 10-2,. Yeah, they definitely deserve to be in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they will be up there with the Georgias and Ohio States and them. They will be number five right now if they hadn't lost to Oklahoma. Yeah, but you lost to Oklahoma, which wasn't ranked and it's been struggling this year. And then you lost to Vanderbilt, which another team that's constantly been in the bottom half of the SEC for years. So I don't think you deserve to be in. That's just me, and those are conference losses.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:These are conference losses, so I don't know, but it's going to be interesting, man, this weekend. Look at some of the notable games coming up. We talked about most of them. So you got the Mountain West Championship UNLV at 10-2 against Boise State. You got the American Athletic Championship Army in Tulane. You get the Big 12 Championship Iowa Army and Tulane. You get the Big 12 Championship Iowa State and Arizona State. You get the SEC Championship Georgia and Texas. Big 10 Championship Penn State and Oregon. And then you get the ACC Championship Clemson and SMU. So those are the games this week and that's just like I said. I think that's going to pretty much give us our final rankings going into this.
Speaker 2:This playoff man in these bow, in these bow weeks. Uh, you got one more game next. Uh, you get the army navy game, but that doesn't do anything for nobody, they just got to be played. This is what the last game of the season every year. But, um, I mean we'll talk about some bows. You said who's oh man, hold bowls. You said who's Hold on. Dennis said who's? 10-2? That's better than Bama.
Speaker 4:Who's 10-2? That's better than.
Speaker 2:Bama.
Speaker 3:Right now, I think, miami is, I can honestly say I think Ohio State's better than Alabama. I can't say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would probably say right now.
Speaker 3:But whoever said that has actually been proving my point. I'm just saying no, I agree.
Speaker 2:Like I said, the only team I would put above Alabama right now, as far as attending to outside of the teams that's already above them, is Miami. I don't think Arizona State or Iowa State, either one of them, or BYU, or UNLV, or Army or Memphis. Any of those in the top five does better than Bama I got a better question.
Speaker 3:Who do you think this is for, either one of y'all or anybody watching in the comments? Who do y'all think that Alabama can absolutely not beat in college football period? Cannot beat, absolutely have no chance against in college football.
Speaker 4:Hmm.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's a team up here. Next topic please.
Speaker 4:It's wide open, I swear.
Speaker 3:I feel like that's true, it's wide open.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to sit here and say it, I'm taking my chances against. I feel like that's true. That's true, wide open. Yeah, I'm not here to say I'm taking my chances against Bama, against a lot of teams.
Speaker 3:yeah, I agree with that. If somebody said, hey, you have to bet Alabama in every game, all right, it wouldn't bother me at all. So yeah, it's just food for thought.
Speaker 2:No, I'm with you on that. I totally agree with that and, like normally, I don't look at it like that, but I think we could beat, you know, any one of the top ten teams ahead of us right now. But I'm just saying, based on just record and just keeping it fair, I don't believe Bama should beat you and I appreciate you not being a homer Like that's actually like you know.
Speaker 2:I respect the hell out of stuff like that Because I'm a fan of Miami and I'm a fan of Notre Dame also. Those are other teams I root for.
Speaker 3:I'm always going to separate who I'm a fan of for my opinion on what's going on. There's always going to be a clear separation in between, absolutely. Now if I feel like we the best, then I'm going to say it, but if not, then it's just not. That ain't it.
Speaker 2:Because, like I said, I think I don't think Notre Dame like again, I'm fine with them not getting a bye I don't think they should just be number five based on not having you know what I mean playing in a conference championship. I think that should bump them down. If even one of these teams that's top four that loses in a conference championship, I think they should still stay above a Notre Dame who don't have to play a conference championship game. Yeah, I think that's fair. I don't know If Texas loses to Georgia, you don't put Texas behind Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:I think you put Texas at five and you move Notre Dame down. That's a good point.
Speaker 3:I don't think that, I don't think you do that because it's not fair.
Speaker 2:They should benefit from not having a conference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's a, that's a director. That's yeah, that's that's legit.
Speaker 2:You know I mean, if Oregon loses to Penn State, you put Notre Dame in front of Oregon. No, If Oregon and Texas lose, you still put both of them above Notre Dame.
Speaker 3:Penn. State being number one is going to be nasty.
Speaker 4:You said what Boom Go ahead? No, I was just saying. I'm pretty sure that's how it's going to happen. If the top two teams lose, one might still be in the top four, but that other one definitely is going to slide to five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying and, like I said, you got a chance of having four of them lose and I don't think if Oregon lose, notre Dame should be in front of them. If Texas lose, I don't think they should be in front of them. Shit, even if Penn State lose right now, the Penn State is still in front of them. Shit, even if Penn State lose right now, if Penn State is still in front of them. Like I said, I think any one of them conference championship games and those four conference championship games, whoever the loser that comes out of there, should still remain in front of Notre Dame outside of Georgia, probably because with the 10-2, I don't- I think if Penn State lose, the furthest they might slide is maybe the 8th.
Speaker 2:I don't think they slide If they slide the 8th you put Notre Dame at 9.
Speaker 3:If they get blown out, that's going to change something too yeah. If they play them tough, they might not even drop past 5.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3:So then that would just bump everybody back.
Speaker 2:That just bumps everybody down and, like I said, I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 3:I think if they can even stay within two touchdowns I think the furthest they drop is five If they get beat by anything more than that, then I think Notre Dame has a chance to Well, no, no, I think Notre Dame. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think Notre Dame. I think them not playing a conference championship game, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think Notre Dame is going to be five if Penn State loses. Yeah, you think so, yeah.
Speaker 4:If they bump everybody else back, that means somebody. I you think so. Yeah, if you bump everybody else back.
Speaker 3:That means somebody. I think Penn State will go behind. I think yeah, because they're going to go behind Notre Dame, and but do you put them behind IU, though, Do you?
Speaker 2:right. Okay, you got to put Penn State behind Ohio State, no matter what, because they already lost to them.
Speaker 3:Ohio State's at six right now.
Speaker 2:It's because there's there's people in between us, though yeah, but the only people who's in between you is georgia. If we were six then?
Speaker 3:because who said y'all are six right now?
Speaker 2:no, georgia is seven, georgia seven I think we're getting it mixed up. I'm looking at the wrong thing. I'm looking at the wrong thing. Okay, yeah, ohio State's eight. Okay, my bad, ohio State eight, georgia seven, notre Dame is six and Penn State is five right now. So if we say, let's say Boise State lose, do they go in front of Penn State and Notre Dame?
Speaker 4:Yeah, because I think if Boise State lose, they just not making the college football playoff.
Speaker 3:If they lose. They're definitely dropping behind Ohio State. They're definitely dropping behind Penn State. They're definitely dropping behind Tennessee.
Speaker 2:And Notre Dame.
Speaker 4:And do you put them behind Indiana. Yes, who are they going up against in their championship?
Speaker 3:UNLV, unlv, unlv, even if you win. That it's almost like.
Speaker 4:Right. Yeah, I think you should just be out for losing at UNLV and honestly I mean I think that just boots you For the top. Yeah, for those teams that's not in the top four, I mean, if you lose, I mean it's kind of like, do you deserve to still be in the college football playoff?
Speaker 2:So wait a minute. So if Georgia lose to Texas, georgia should be out, nah nah.
Speaker 4:I ain't saying that. Okay, I just wanted to make sure I hear you right what? Okay?
Speaker 2:well, I'm talking about, as far as like, only people that fall into that category, I think is SMU, and Boise State, yeah, and Arizona State. I don't think nobody cares if Arizona State or Iowa State is in, they would be in at 12.
Speaker 4:Nobody cares. I know they're not going to shut out a power forward conference school.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what I'm saying. They're not. Yeah. So, like I said, I don't think nobody cares about that. Like I said, if Texas lose, you don't kick out Georgia. Georgia would be two, but then Texas would be five and Oregon. If they lose, you put them at five and Penn State would be one. But as SMU loses, that puts in Clemson, which now you kick out Alabama for SMU. Yeah, because I don't think SMU is just out because of that, not in the ACC. I don't think that's right. So that's what we was talking about Alabama's kind of cheerleading for SMU, because that's the only way they really stay in or get kicked out, is if Clemson makes it. In Oregon and Texas they just swap places with who they play, because they're playing ranked teams anyway. Boise State would just be out and Arizona State would just be out. That makes sense. That makes sense, even though Miami should be 11, right?
Speaker 3:now. Man we could talk about this shit all day, All day man.
Speaker 2:All right, man. Last but not least, man, we definitely went past our time, man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm about to say I'm sitting at 4% over here 4%.
Speaker 2:We got the last topic. We're just going real quick. Just power rankers in the NFL and we'd be done, man, top 10. We're going to start at 10, man, really I would say it's a tie for 10. Washington, commanders, houston, texas and the Broncos they're all 8-5. Do you see any one of them teams being separated, a clear 10? Do you think any one of those teams between the Texans, commanders and Broncos are just that much better than the other one?
Speaker 3:Texas Commanders and nope Nah.
Speaker 2:As I said, I feel like they all right there at a tie for 10. Chargers at 9, at 8-4. Ravens at 8 at 8 and 5. Green Bay at 7 at 9 and 3. Minnesota at 6 at 10 and 2. Pittsburgh at 5 at 9 and 3. Philly at 4 at 10 and 2. Kansas City at 3 at 11 and 1. Buffalo at 2 at 10 and two, kansas city at three at 11 and one, buffalo at two at 10 and two and Detroit at one at 11 and one.
Speaker 3:You might've said these what's Kansas city? Kansas city is third at 11 and one.
Speaker 2:And what is the Ravens? The Ravens are eighth at eight and five.
Speaker 3:I ain't mad at it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah Me, neither I was. I was looking through it. I was like I don't mad at it. Okay, yeah me, neither. I was looking through it. I was like I don't move nobody really around.
Speaker 2:If you maybe wanted to edge the Steelers in front of the Eagles, I wouldn't be mad at putting them at four and the Eagles at five. I don't think that's a big difference. Both teams are playing well. Detroit at one, I really agree with that. Buffalo at two, I don't have problems. I think Buffalo right now is playing better than Kansas City. I think Kansas City is just staying afloat right now. You know what I mean? They're just scratching and clawing through games and getting a whole bunch of lucky breaks. But I mean you got to respect the 11-1, no matter how they got there. And yeah, everything else is solid. I don't see any arguments there, man, yeah.
Speaker 2:Last but not least, man, we got our pick-em records. Man, which Jared's just out. He ain't been picking, he been on vacation and stuff he ain't even been picking. He kind of threw in the towel. But it's really a fight between Justin and Ike right now. Ike is up like 12 games though right now, so Ike been texting me saying it's over, it's over, it's over. I'm like, look man, you need to get Justin to concede then, cause I don't think it's a way I can catch him, unless I just pick perfectly through the rest of the season, which we know I could have to just miss a couple weeks in order for us to get back in it. But Justin's the only person who got a chance, so we'll see how that turns out towards the end of the season. And, man, that's it. Man, final thoughts. Man, that's all, man, defund Los.
Speaker 3:Angeles Lakers basketball Defund. University of Cincinnati men's basketball Dang, Because they both can. Def of Cincinnati men's basketball Dang, Because they both can. The fun Cincinnati Bengals football. I knew that was coming All-State. They're on the short list. I'm like my teams are getting smacked Like yeah, it's ugly for me but luckily, like I said, I'm a fan of good ball, so it's always going to be something for me to watch. Even my teams are down.
Speaker 2:So you know, OK, all right, boom man. Any final thoughts man?
Speaker 4:Man, it's about to be a wild weekend. You know, I see what happens, you know, and I'm just. I just want to say something in regards to my Pacers.
Speaker 3:Ooh defund them. What's going on? I ain't going to get started though.
Speaker 4:It's a lot of. I would definitely say the Wiseman and Isaiah Jackson injury definitely took a toll on us. But also, rick Carlisle acts like he doesn't know how to adjust. Like going to the game and actually watching the game is two different things, but from what I'm seeing is that it's like they run the same play every time down the floor and teams are picking up on that and it's like rick carlisle doesn't know how to adjust and once you throw a zone, a 3-2 zone in his face, he doesn't know how to play against that. So, um, I think he, if, if the pacers don't make the playoffs this year, my guy might be on the hot seat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to piggyback off of that. That's what got him out of Dallas. When the rest of the league was speeding up and shooting threes and stuff, he was playing that old school slow style basketball and Dallas had too much talent and they just wasn't competing. So it was like, look man, we got to go in another direction. And I think he came here and once he got a hold of those young guys you know what I mean it's like you got to adjust to the league.
Speaker 2:The league is all about pace and three-point shooting. You got to be able to do those two and I think last year the team really came on showing that they could do that and that's why we had the success we did. And then this year you tried to shore up the defense but then, like you said, those two injuries was huge because those were supposed to be two of our anchors, you know, off the bench and starting him and Wiseman. And now we just trying to get back to that run and gun and just thinking we can outscore people. But you know you got Halliburton in a slump, like all our scorers are in a slump right now. Neymar, all them guys None of them are just putting out those consistent. You know 15 to 25-point games. They were last year, you know, so right now we just can't keep up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I just want to say y'all have a good night, because I'm on 1% and I'm about to click off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we done, we done. This. Is it, man? Take it easy, man. Yep, this has been another episode of Epic Podcast. Man, we catch y'all next week.