E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Playoff Hopes, Panic Meter, and Celebrity Boxing: A Comprehensive Sports Debate
Can Indiana hold its ground against powerhouse teams, and what does it mean for their playoff dreams? Join us as Ike, Justin, and Jonathan from Crossroads Sports tackle this burning question head-on. We kick off with a spirited chat on the complexities of sports fandom, from NBA updates to college football's rollercoaster ride. Ike shares his mixed emotions about the 49ers, while Justin anticipates the electrifying IU-Ohio State clash. Jonathan may have some tech hiccups, but we steer the conversation to explore the critical significance of maintaining winning streaks in both college and pro sports.
Our deep dive into college football heats up with a robust debate about potential playoff contenders—will Miami, Oregon, or Indiana make the cut despite setbacks? The episode dissects potential scenarios, SEC's undeniable dominance, and the biases that influence playoff selections. We also navigate the shifting landscape of college football rankings, where teams like Georgia and Notre Dame are perennial favorites, and discuss the ripple effects of conference strengths on playoff hopes. Through passionate exchanges, we highlight the strategic decisions that make or break a team's championship chances.
Turning our eyes to the NBA, we examine teams teetering on the brink of panic—are the Pelicans, Bucks, 76ers, and Mavericks in trouble? The conversation shifts to the high-stakes world of strategic decision-making in the NBA, where we critique celebrity boxing phenomena like Jake Paul. From the stress of rookie quarterbacks to the dramatics of celebrity fights, we wrap up with a lively discussion on NFL game predictions and fighter updates, offering listeners an episode brimming with sports insights and lively debates.
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Speaker 2:Welcome back to another episode of the epic podcast. We have a full staff in the house today, man. We got ike back with us for the first time this year. We got justin back in the house today and for the first time this year we got got Jonathan from Crossroads with us today. Man, how y'all doing what's going on what's going? On Not much man, not much man. Ike, how's your sports? How's the sports been for you, man, since you've been away? I ain't even going to say your weekend, man.
Speaker 4:Just the past couple months, man. I mean other than the 49ers smoking 440 games every other week and then listening to y'all give half-ass credit to IU every week.
Speaker 2:You know I'm it's not me, man, it's not me.
Speaker 4:That was hot last week.
Speaker 2:I see, I see that I think that man, what about you, Justin? Man? How has your sports weekend?
Speaker 5:been. Ah man, it's been cool. What is that noise? What is that noise?
Speaker 2:I can't tell where it's coming from. I can't.
Speaker 4:Okay, here we go. Yeah, no, where it's coming from, okay, okay.
Speaker 5:Here we go. Yeah, no, it's cool. I mean, you know, sports is sports. So actually I was tripping, though, because I actually thought the IU-Ohio State game was this Saturday, so I was hyped up for the game and then I realized it's not until this upcoming weekend, so I was like all right, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Definitely looking forward to that game.
Speaker 2:I mean, because I think that's just the key game. That's the key game, you know, for IU right now. So you know, as long as they keep winning, everything should be good man. What about you, jonathan man? How's your sports week been? And there he goes. Never fails, man.
Speaker 4:All right, I called it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did. He'll be back. He'll be back, All right. Well, we're going to start this thing off talking this little NBA news man.
Speaker 5:And I give IU credit, bro, if anybody, I've been the one hyping up IU man, so don't say I'm the one.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, no, no. If anybody, I've been the one hyping up IU man, so don't say I'm not. You ain't been on here the last couple weeks, man.
Speaker 5:That's fair. That's fair, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nah.
Speaker 4:Like I said, it's just, my name is IQ. This week I came to represent which you should.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, but the the thing, what I use, did like they just got to keep winning, and I think that's just accurate with a lot of teams, uh, especially them. So as long as they don't get it if they beat ohio state.
Speaker 4:What team don't got to keep winning? Who does not have to quit it?
Speaker 2:What team don't, when we get to college football, I mean there are a few.
Speaker 4:We're here now, Cool we're talking about it now.
Speaker 2:If Texas lose, I don't think they drop out.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, no no. Y'all said keep winning. We've got to win every other game. So if any team there's two games left for those teams, the thing is, y'all got Ohio State next, so y'all have to win that game. If any team loses the next two games, who's going to be in?
Speaker 2:You said if who loses the next two games who's going to be in Two games IU can lose. You say that for it. Notre Dame also has the win out.
Speaker 4:That's not what I asked you. I asked what team can lose the next two games. Uh probably oregon you name one, continue um, let me look, it's taking. It's taking you too long, it's not taking too?
Speaker 2:long. This wasn't a. I didn't know this was gonna be a conversation, yeah I, I improv maybe.
Speaker 5:Maybe Miami, I'm here, no, Because everybody else in the ACC really is trash. Because who's behind them. It doesn't matter If Miami loses again, they're done.
Speaker 2:How they're probably still going to be in the ACC championship, because who else is challenging them?
Speaker 5:I had to look at the ACC, but there's no way Miami with two losses.
Speaker 2:I'm going to look at it right now for you. No, who's up there? Smu and Clemson, which SMU is already out, and Clemson's 8-2.
Speaker 5:How's Clemson and SMU out?
Speaker 2:Show you that too. Smu, because the new rankings just came out right now.
Speaker 5:Right SMU is 9-1. Right so if Miami lost and SMU won, they'd be 10-1 and Miami would be 9-2.
Speaker 2:Right, but then they still. Who else would you put in the championship game, because Syracuse is already 7-3. There's nobody else to challenge. Clemson would be there too. Okay, clemson would be there too. Clemson, okay, clemson. Eight and two, who? Who do they play? They play.
Speaker 5:South they would have. Yeah, so Clemson and and and SMU still would have a shot. Miami has to win, but would you?
Speaker 2:put so you would do a Clemson, you ACC over Miami. Yeah, with two losses. Yeah, okay, I guess.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, jonathan, I hijacked the show.
Speaker 2:He did.
Speaker 4:He really did Over IU For the last two weeks. Everybody ain't got away. That applies to one to two teams. That statement doesn't apply to most of the people in there, but y'all keep applying it to us. And I'm saying IU, I went to IU, I'm an alumni, us. Y'all keep applying it to us Like we the only team in that situation.
Speaker 2:The thing is, is my Indiana doesn't get in with two losses?
Speaker 5:But they Ohio State would be one loss.
Speaker 4:Unless, everybody has two losses.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm just saying Alabama, with two losses, is in Georgia with two losses, chances are in Ole Miss with two losses, chances are in oh so we talking about chances are. Yeah but I'm saying Indiana is not in with two losses. That's probably the only team that's not in with two losses.
Speaker 4:Cool, we speculate Carry on. It ain't speculating Carry on.
Speaker 2:Chances are. Who do you put them in? Who do you put them in over them, since you arguing for them? Who do you put them in over? You don't put them in over Alabama. You don't put them in over Georgia. You don't put them in over Ole Miss. You won't put them in over even a two-loss Miami. And you don't put them in over a one-l SMU or BYU. A one loss, iu doesn't get in. No, I said a two loss. So we're talking about having to win the next two games and I'm saying IU losing two games.
Speaker 4:They're not going to lose the next two games. Y'all said Ohio State. Y'all specifically said if we don't beat Ohio State, we out. You and Jared said that I've been watching the show.
Speaker 2:Because you know why? Because I don't think they put them in the Big Ten championship.
Speaker 5:Even if they're not, they still would make it.
Speaker 2:You think so? Okay, so, even a one-loss Indiana, you put them in over Notre Dame. Hold on Over a one-loss Notre Dame.
Speaker 5:Yes, notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois, so IU's only loss would be to Ohio State, who's the number two team in the country.
Speaker 2:You don't think that matters? Yeah, but then you got to look at Ohio. Okay, so then you Penn State, oregon, texas.
Speaker 5:They're better than Penn State Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the only okay. So you put them above Penn State with one loss to Ohio State and Penn State. Penn State has been ranked top five.
Speaker 5:All has been over five all year. Yes, they've been overrated this entire year, correct?
Speaker 2:okay, and they're only so.
Speaker 5:You give them in indiana the same resume who I guess, and I don't know all the games, because I'm just saying like a lot of times, with the, with the committee.
Speaker 2:History plays a part in it and that's the only reason why I think Jared was saying what he was saying about Indiana.
Speaker 4:Which is stupid, by the way.
Speaker 2:I don't care about the committee and history.
Speaker 5:I'm going off of me. I matter more than what them jokers say. I'm not influenced by all the foolishness. I'm telling you. From what I see, iu is a better football team than what I've seen from Penn State period.
Speaker 2:Okay so ball team than what I've seen from Penn State period. Okay so again a two-loss Indiana team. I don't believe that we keep talking about two losses.
Speaker 5:Okay, who's the second loss coming to? If they lose to IU, they're not going to be in the championship game. You're saying they're losing to Purdue. Is a loss to Ohio State dropping them out of the top 12?
Speaker 2:No, so if they go to the Big Ten championship and lose, they're definitely making it then they're definitely making it. Then, if they're the, number two team in the country. What do you think they're going to be waiting on against Oregon? So who do you put them in over, then? Who do you not put them in over? You put them in over all the SEC schools.
Speaker 5:Oh my gosh, you are one of these SEC fools. I see that now Go ahead.
Speaker 2:It's because there's seven SEC schools in the top 10, in the top 12, I mean.
Speaker 5:That's because there's such a everybody just oh, the SEC is, that's the NFL division. Blah, blah, blah. Man, get out of here.
Speaker 2:It is the most competitive conference in college football. Can we agree?
Speaker 5:on that. Did Bama lose to Vanderbilt? Yes, another. Sec school. Is Vanderbilt better than IU? I think it would be a good game. Oh Jesus, Okay, no further questions your Honor.
Speaker 4:I'm moving forward. I got nothing for that either. That is fucking blasphemous.
Speaker 2:I got nothing else to say Okay, but at the beginning of the season, if we had asked this question, who answers would have been different? Y'all, because y'all wouldn't even have drank that. Indiana wouldn't even have been able to hang with a Vanderbilt. But since a Vanderbilt, sec.
Speaker 5:I don't put all that in the SEC, so you're assuming I do and I don't. I don't put the SEC on this big old pedestal like the rest of the. No, I don't.
Speaker 4:IU even got a higher ranking on NCAA than Vanderbilt and I know because I took my mic player to Vanderbilt. It didn't transfer Because it did, but nonetheless.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying. I'm just saying If IU at the beginning of the season, if there was a game scheduled at the beginning of the season between IU and Vanderbilt early on, you would have said that Vanderbilt would win that game.
Speaker 4:No, I wouldn't have said either one of them, I also would not have said that. No, I don't think that Vanderbilt's good, I've never known Vanderbilt to be good.
Speaker 5:That's the thing. So no, I wouldn't have said that Vanderbilt was going to beat IU.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, again, you still have to address. Even though you don't think the SEC is what they are, the rest of the world does.
Speaker 5:I don't care what the rest.
Speaker 2:When you gonna learn that I know you don't care but you still have to tell me who they make it in over. Like that's realistic. Keisha, so a one-loss BYU team, a one-loss SMU team, so we're even talking ACC. A one-loss Boise State, a one-loss Miami, who does a two-loss Indiana? Or even a one-loss Indiana, who do you put in? You put them in over a two-loss Tennessee, a two-loss Ole Miss, a two-loss Georgia and a two-loss Alabama. So basically, they stay where they are with two losses, they stay. What six? Where is the?
Speaker 5:second loss. You keep saying a second loss. I'm asking what is Okay? One loss, your two loss isn't realistic, because you're saying they beat Ohio.
Speaker 2:State and lose to Oregon. Or you're saying they lose to Ohio State and lose to Purdue. Let's say they lose. Okay, let's just say one loss. Let's say one loss to Ohio State, when do you put Indiana and their only loss is to Ohio State.
Speaker 5:What are they ranked right now?
Speaker 2:They're right now at fifth. This is updated as of right now, as of like 30 minutes ago.
Speaker 5:It just released it, I would still keep them in the top 10. But, where, though? Because where matters? I don't know who everybody's in the top ten off the top of my head, man. Okay, I would have to look and see. And then it also depends too on that loss. Is it a blowout loss or is it a close loss that matters.
Speaker 4:Nah, according to them, it don't matter. I've been blowing people out all week and they ain't make no difference. Yeah, that's true. They had two close games and one of them was with a backup quarterback, so that didn't matter.
Speaker 2:I think we got Jonathan back.
Speaker 4:When I asked that question last week, it didn't matter, so it apparently doesn't matter ever.
Speaker 2:Okay, jonathan, that's cool. A one-loss Indiana. Where do you put them if everybody else doesn't lose any more games, I guess? Oh, we can't hear you, we can't hear you.
Speaker 4:We can't hear you. Let me try to request a mute.
Speaker 2:See if that works. Yeah, you Try to get him off mute. Okay, there you go. We're about now. Yep, yeah, we got you. Oh, okay, so one loss, indiana. Where do you put them at with everybody else winning out? They're still in the playoff. I'm not saying they're not in the playoff. I'm saying where do you put them? Because where matters?
Speaker 3:You put them anywhere in between nine. Slot them between nine and 11.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:So who's your first out then? Unfortunately, you know what I'm saying your SEC bias man. It's not going to hold up, man, with this over here, man.
Speaker 2:Okay, so out of those four in the bottom five, who do you sit out? Hold on.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, Tennessee is probably going to be out. Okay, it is what it is. I mean, I get it. You look at it like who's going to be on the next level NFL. Of course they got some talent, I get that, but they playing a cannibalized conference the SEC.
Speaker 2:So even with them beating Alabama they're still the ones out.
Speaker 3:You got to be either in to get to the championship game, you got to beat you know what I'm saying? Somebody in your conference there's somebody in Alabama and Georgia and Tennessee only beat one of them and then they lost Hold on. They lost to somebody, I can tell, and then they lost Hold on.
Speaker 2:Who did they lose? I can't remember they lost to somebody. I know who they lost. I can tell you who they lost to. They lost to Arkansas and Georgia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had no. Well, they lost to Georgia, okay, okay, because Texas is going to make the playoffs and they lost to Georgia, right, okay, no man, I would still. I get it. Man, iu did Western Michigan, western Illinois I get it. Don't blow you away.
Speaker 2:Indiana State, definitely don't blow you away FIU, western Illinois, ucla, now that we know what they are Charlotte, maryland, northwestern Nebraska, washington, michigan State and Michigan yeah, but everybody else they?
Speaker 3:played, they blowed out. No.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying they didn't blow them out. And at one point USC was right, they played, they blowed out. No, I'm not saying they didn't blow them out.
Speaker 3:I'm just stating who they played. And at one point USC was ranked, at one point Michigan was. At one point Nebraska was ranked. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Not at the point that they played them, but yeah, at some point through the season they were there.
Speaker 3:I mean they were ranked in the top 25. All those schools technically still rank in the top 50, but I know we don't. You know what I'm saying. But their net rankings and their power conference, that USC, you know what I'm saying. I'm assuming that Michigan, even though Michigan, michigan, coming off a national championship game, you know what I'm saying? It's different paint on the you know what I'm saying on the card, but like that's still the power of the program, I, but like that's still the power of the program, I'll tell you what and I'll let somebody else talk.
Speaker 3:If Ohio State uses this game like saying we beat somebody so that they can up their seating because they lost to Oregon already. So they ain't looking at this game as like hey man, who are you? You didn't play. They're looking at another ranked opponent. And how can we beat this ranked opponent? Oh, you didn't play nobody. You know what I'm saying. They don't deserve to be a. They're going to try to. I would imagine they're just going to try to win the game right, ohio State, regardless of the point spread. And all that because they know that they in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah, I don't think point spread matters on this game.
Speaker 3:Like what you say. Sec team that you know what I'm saying is going to whine. Kirby Smart is going to whine Georgia. They already start whining. They already used the media to start whining. Paul Feinbaum is a whiner for the SEC.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, so, but but I just think, with them all having losses against each other. Like you look at the Georgia, the Texans lost to Georgia, but then you look at the Georgia lost to Alabama and Ole Miss, and then you look at the Ole Miss lost you know what I mean. Like I think they're there because they've all played each other and beaten each other and there's no reason why nobody should have lost to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3:Nobody. Nobody in that conversation just said and there's teams that lost to Vanderbilt, and I get it, vanderbilt won up, but it Vanderbilt won up. But like Vanderbilt got this dude from New Mexico State, that's a transfer Like there's bad tape on him. You couldn't beat that. You had a magical season. They tore down the you know what I'm saying, ole Miss. They blew out Georgia man. So like you have to win your game. The SEC, said they. You know what I'm saying? We the best conference.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm out of it. You can't use it. The fact that nobody came out, so okay then With that. Then would you put out Georgia? Then no, georgia, with their losses to Alabama and Ole Miss, georgia's not going to get out Georgia got too many Georgia's. What I'm just saying is if we're comparing, if we're saying that the Alabama-Vanderbilt loss is a really bad loss, and then you're saying then Bell loss is a really bad loss, and then you're saying, then wouldn't that make the Alabama loss to Georgia's?
Speaker 3:loss to Alabama even worse. Georgia's got punks in their preseason. They don't play no punks, they ain't got.
Speaker 2:They got the number one strength of schedule in the nation.
Speaker 3:Who got the best?
Speaker 2:No, Georgia does. Their strength of schedule is number one.
Speaker 3:So you know that's their calling card. When you say, you know what I'm saying, we got two losses here, we got two losses there, that's our natural blood-borne rivalry. Now what I go back into is like look at the conference in itself it's kind of in a flux. They added those two. Texas is the one that kind of shined through when it came from the Big 12, but Oklahoma took a dive right Vanderbilt. It's a nice story, but again, man, it's not national championship. They're not in the conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to be arrogant about their program.
Speaker 3:Ole Miss did level up this year, land Train brought out better defense finally. But then again, ole Miss, guess what? They didn't play nobody either in their preseason. So they can't. They can say you know what I'm saying. They can say they played in the quote-unquote best conference, arguably, but they didn't play nobody in their preseason. Furman, you can't count that man, don't count that.
Speaker 2:No, furman, mtsu, Wake Forest, georgia, southern Kentucky, and that's really I mean it got a little tougher After Kentucky With South Carolina. Yeah, that's what I mean. But then where do you even? I mean, okay, so what Do we put any weight On LSU then? Because they and Vanderbilt Got the same record. Lsu's out, I know they're out, but I'm just saying I'm talking about as far as Weight, as far as playing, they both Six and four, oh well, no, that's the thing, man, lsu remained.
Speaker 3:That's the crazy thing about it. That team remained ranked all year, so they might have started out top five. Won a couple games, maybe dropped down to ten. Lost. You know what I'm saying bad loss, whatever.
Speaker 2:Still got another win bounced back up and then by the time right now, like you know what, I guess we'll settle that next week. They lose to Texas A&M, of course. They lose to Alabama. They lose to USC in the beginning of the season, Then they lose to a bad Florida team.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and Florida just took Tennessee to overtime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:I tell you what Michigan had a similar, it's just the brand. Michigan had a similar pass to the championship last year and they didn't play a day. They played UNLV and a day at East Carolina and somebody else I can't forget, and then they played their Big Ten schedule and turned it on the Ohio State, and I get it. They played Alabama, but you know it wasn't.
Speaker 2:And I think they give Big Ten schedules a lot of weight too, like when you play a lot of Big Ten, when, a lot of weight too, when you play a lot of Big Ten, when you're in the Big Ten and you're playing, you know what I mean. If you dominate or win in the Big Ten, I think they give that weight too, along with the SEC.
Speaker 3:The way the Big Ten and SEC move, there's eventually going to be some type of radical breakthrough, but they really can't trust one another. How could they? You know what I'm saying. I don't want to get into the politics of college football or whatnot. As soon as if Clemson can get their act together you know what I'm saying if Florida State can get their act together, you know what I'm saying. And everybody's going to be wanting to argue well, why didn't two ACC schools in and why ain't one Big 12? The way I kind of look at it and I don't know if you're talking about Prime here or not you know what I'm saying, as I had some activity issues. Man, that's a great story. Prime took a bad loss against Nebraska, but again, nebraska was a ranked team at the time. You know what I'm saying. And they took another bad loss. I can't remember right now, but like now, he's got the team back as a state also yeah where everybody said that they.
Speaker 3:That's right. Where everybody said that you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Deion was going to be running to the NFL.
Speaker 3:This was just another stepping stone. Because I think if they went out and they play BYU in the, if they beat BYU in the championship, in the Big 12 championship, they in they in After one year of people doubting him and saying like, whatever, and I get it, man, he's a little bit too sensational with it, especially after the game.
Speaker 1:Dude, I ain't going after no fans man.
Speaker 3:Them's just kids man. Y'all already millionaires. You know what I mean. But no man Pride's got a team in a good position. Now who they can beat, I don't know. I don't think Colorado right now is good enough to beat anybody, or Georgia, or really even IU. They might give Notre Dame a good run, but I don't think they can beat Notre Dame.
Speaker 4:Hey man, people say I need you to stop making that face.
Speaker 2:This is not a bad face. That's like a thing to say when he's saying that he doesn't think Colorado could beat Indiana. I'm like, okay, like that makes sense Indiana in total.
Speaker 3:I didn't say if it's a no, I disagree. I'm going to pass Indiana's right, indiana's right, total defense. Number two is Ohio State. That's the truth, that's the statistics, and they all play like-minded opponents.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and I think once the, like you said, once the ACC and the Big 12 compete more, I think that the rankings of those teams will improve throughout the year.
Speaker 3:Eventually, they're going to have to go from 12 to 16. Like it really matters? To be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? I don't think it does. I think it's kind of it kind of spices up with 12, kind of like what we have right now.
Speaker 2:I think 12 keeps it more competitive, Because then you're going to start dribbling into that three loss situation which nobody wants, that there's not enough game for three loss teams to be in.
Speaker 2:So if you get down to 16, then you're going to be dancing with that, Especially as these teams at the top get more competitive, Like you said, with the Pac-12 and some of their teams jumping into the Big Ten. Like you said, if the ACC gets more competitive the SEC you're going to be dealing with three losses. I think that's too many to be competing for championships.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Brandon Brandon said and like I think that's too many to be competing for championships. I think it is Shout out to Brandon. Brandon said that Georgia did play the hardest schedule during this season. On Georgia's end. Yeah, I saw that when I had it on the screen, but I just wanted to make sure we saw it.
Speaker 2:No, and I think strength of schedule is reflected here and that's why, like I was asking when we were talking about the whole Indiana situation, like you said, even if they lose the let's just say it's one loss and it's to Ohio State, like one of those teams with that SEC schedule is going to have to get bumped. And that's where the strength of schedule comes from. With Georgia, like they're not playing a whole bunch of tough Big Ten teams, it's because they're playing all these ranked SEC schools. That's what gives them the toughest schedule. So which one of them do you bump out, with them having lost to these SEC schools that's ranked in the top 10?
Speaker 5:But again you're acting like the Vamas and them. Their loss came to Georgia, where it came. No, yeah, lost to Vanderbilt or Notre Dame. You lost to Northern.
Speaker 2:Illinois.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so let's stop acting like they're losing to the top 10. No, yeah, you. So let's stop acting like the SEC, like they're losing to the top. No, yeah, you beat Georgia and then lose to Vandy. Stop, stop Like. So you can't discredit IU for one loss to the number two team in the country.
Speaker 2:I'm not discrediting them. I'm saying who do they? I'm just saying we have to pick a team to bump out. Though. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that's easy, that's easy.
Speaker 5:There's a number of teams, like I said, you keep acting like Penn, like I don't even care who you say, like Miami or Ole Miss. I agree, I wouldn't do Georgia just because Georgia has been proven to have the toughest schedule. You know what I mean in the country. So I get that two loss. But there's several other teams where it's like no, my Unranked Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3:That's kind of unforgivable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like.
Speaker 3:They lost to unranked Georgia Tech. I mean, georgia Tech is on the rise but like yeah no.
Speaker 2:So Alabama will be your first team out then it sounds like they playing.
Speaker 3:bro. They going to be in the championship game, man.
Speaker 2:Ole Miss, then Okay, then you have to boil down to Ole Miss or Tennessee, then I don't want to say championship game.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean Tennessee would be out, Okay.
Speaker 2:That's all I was asking. Like one of them teams would have to be out. That's all.
Speaker 5:I'm asking One of them can be out for all I care, but Tennessee for sure. I mean, like I said, even if you look at how Tennessee's been playing, tennessee hasn't been playing good football. No, they started the year off hot and now I mean they have not been impressive.
Speaker 4:Brandon said that Burson's biggest issue was the bias for conference champs in the Big 12 ACC. You got a beef with those.
Speaker 3:Did he say I?
Speaker 4:got a bias.
Speaker 3:You got to be for those.
Speaker 2:Did he?
Speaker 3:say I got a bias.
Speaker 2:No, he said that you don't like the bias of the conference champs getting a bias in the conference playoff, I mean in the football playoff.
Speaker 3:That don't really make sense, man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You don't think they should have a bias?
Speaker 3:No, let's just get to it. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:I think that's the only way you get 12 in. Oh, so you're just saying a big old bracket. So everybody plays first-round games.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay, all right, come on man. But you know, I guess that would mess up the match.
Speaker 2:So like a 12-1, 2-11?.
Speaker 3:I don't think necessarily you can do that. So the way they got it built up, I guess it's okay. But now you're making somebody play an extra game. That's the only thing. That's kind of wacky. And then if these particular champions get in like man, okay, man, all right. Let's say Deion does. Now you open up a can of worms. Now Deion gets in, prime gets in, but the balls don't get in. You know what I'm saying? Prime gets a damn bye, or the ACC champ gets a bye.
Speaker 2:But if they beat a one-loss BYU who's been ranked top 10 all season, who's complaining?
Speaker 3:Well, BYU, that's this.
Speaker 2:And they had to battle back just to get into the championship game. They had to win out Still off Kansas State.
Speaker 3:I'm still off Nebraska, nebraska, nebraska.
Speaker 2:I agree, but Kansas State is now. No longer is Kansas State even ranked anymore. Kansas State has fell off, not in the top 25, no. Yeah, they fell off, but they was dominating at the beginning of the season. So like I think Colorado beat who they were supposed to beat, but then, like I think Colorado beat who they was supposed to beat, but then, like you said, with the Iowa States and all them, people have fallen off.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So why can't you take this approach with IU? Colorado beat who they supposed to beat, but IU what? All right.
Speaker 1:I'm done.
Speaker 5:I'm done until we get to a new subject. I know I ain't the only person hearing this. I know I'm not the only person hearing this.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? I haven't said nothing, bad about IU.
Speaker 3:He wants all the ACC teams in. I don't. That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4:The SEC tournament is what we headed to.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. All I ask is who we bumping out. And now I'm just team SEC, I guess.
Speaker 1:I don't know. That's exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Alright, cool, that's fine. Indiana should get in with Three losses, or whatever they should be in, no matter what, they only have three games left.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:I don't know, based on what y'all said Okay well, like I said. I don't know Based on what y'all saying Okay Well, like I said, I don't have a problem with the bias. I think if you win your conference, then you should be rewarded some kind of way. I don't know, what do y'all think about Boise State? I guess that's my only question up here. They only lost this to Oregon, but they haven't had the toughest schedule either.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, they play A predominantly West Coast schedule, so we don't necessarily get to see all those teams. Those teams aren't necessarily layered. You know what I'm saying With a whole lot of NFL talent or even a lot of high-impact college talent. When you talk about Boise, ashton Gentry is a dynamic running back.
Speaker 2:Because right now they got them at fourth.
Speaker 3:They do got a decent quarterback, but again, not like what we're talking about with Alabama or even in state, but like no man Boise State historically a solid football program. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. It ain't like it's probably one of the better mid-majors historically for the last 30 years. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So they got a history of, like, being upset. You know what I'm saying. So they got a history of being upset. You know what I'm saying. Like, you know, a one-time upset they might kick somebody off guard, but it's usually when they're playing like a smaller team. You know what I'm saying? Okay, to be honest with you, if they drew a Notre Dame or IU, there you go, that would be. They could be Ohio State see everything they got coming. Alabama see everything they got coming. Because if the first line don't get you, the second line is going to tear up whatever you got left and that's kind of how you can kind of, you know, assess the rate of boy state trying to move through the playoffs. Could they be a lesser opponent? Yes, you know what I'm saying, but not none of these people.
Speaker 3:And that's no little shade to Notre Dame because Notre Dame's got a pretty good defense this year too. I'm just saying Notre Dame's quarterback play he's good, yeah, they don't came around.
Speaker 2:Early in the year they were looking kind of shaky, but they don't came around.
Speaker 3:Yeah, their quarterback's a good athlete, not necessarily a good quarterback. You know what I'm saying. Notre Dame has to be careful, go through this playoff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean they have. I mean they're the only ones that really can't get a bye. They play Army next.
Speaker 3:I mean they're going to use it as a ranking. Hey man, it's another ranked opponent.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Like.
Speaker 2:I think if they dominate Army they should. They could probably move up.
Speaker 3:They're supporting the nation in defense man. So it might be a little hard at. You know what I'm saying at performances. You know what I'm saying until the second half. But you know what I'm saying Army might kind of keep it close, but I think Notre Dame's going to win.
Speaker 2:Okay, All right, I'm with that then. I mean, anybody else got any questions, comments? Emotional outbreaks.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 2:You good.
Speaker 4:Justin, my bad man, I didn't mean to. No, you don't. No, you're not your bad.
Speaker 2:This is what you do. This is what you do. Don't apologize for being you.
Speaker 4:It had to be sick.
Speaker 2:Look, I'm with it. I am super excited that we can even have these conversations, because we're normally not a college football show. But what's been going on in this 12-team playoff has really made it a lot more exciting to talk about and to invest in these games, because before, with it being four, you kind of was like all right, whatever, it was hard to judge. But now, with more teams having a chance, it sparks these conversations.
Speaker 5:I think it would be fun to watch genti play uh against uh one of them. So boys you can get in. I think it'd be fun to watch him play against you know these schools, um, because obviously I think he set himself apart, of course, I think, as far as being the best back in college football um, so I it.
Speaker 5:It would be fun to just kind of see how he would do. You know, whether it was against an Ohio State or whatever, regardless of if they win or not, how he is able to perform against a school like that, you know, knowing that he's obviously the focal point of that offense.
Speaker 3:I agree, he's just a junior, so I don't know if he's coming.
Speaker 5:He's probably coming out, oh yeah he's definitely coming out. Yeah, you know, running backs, unfortunately, with that position, you can't afford to stay an extra year.
Speaker 2:Mm-mm. You got to leave as early as you can. You definitely got to strike while the iron is hot with running back Put him to Texas for $2 million.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, you got to go will make it interesting though, but I don't think he. He don't seem like a kid that's just going up and leave boise though you know, for the money.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I would say what might work against him is the amount of carries he's getting, that like a lot of teams are going to back systems and you're not trying to get the running backs but it's much wear and tear. So I mean, yeah, you get out, get your money now. Yep, you go another year like that.
Speaker 2:They might not think you got much legs on you yep, yeah and yeah to get into the nfl and start getting established with a team too, like you said.
Speaker 5:Um, like you said, running backs are just, they're everywhere plus, I think you want to be young when you get to that second contract so they don't try to use your age against you that's why I like braylon allen with the jets as long as he has some kind of productivity, he's gonna get to that second contract by the time he's 24, 23 years old. So he'll have an opportunity to make some good money while he's young, versus getting that age thing used against him like a lot of the backs have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because once you get to I mean year six and seven chances are you're getting another contract outside of being just super elite.
Speaker 2:Probably ain't going to happen. So you definitely want to get that extension on your rookie contract while you're young. No, I agree with that, man. I think we touched on everything. Man, I don't see no other teams up here. That's really controversial, because the SMU and all that they'll take, all the ACC will take care of itself. Yeah, I mean, all right, man, that was a lot. Thanks, ike, god, yes, all right, so jump over to the NFL. Man Ike was yelling at me about this topic. He told me, man, the game just started. So I'm thinking about panic meters like right now, early on, like based on teams early in the season, their talent oh, nba, yeah NBA, my bad. Yes, this is a new topic, justin, you can jump back in. So I'm thinking like I'm looking at like teams that should panic right now Pelicans and Bucs, probably based on roster talent and being a playoff team last year, versus starting off four and 10 for the Pelicans and five and nine for the Bucs. I see you shaking your head, jonathan. What you thinking?
Speaker 3:The Bucs. That situation is horrible and you know what I'm saying. I guess you know what I'm saying. He's kind of blazed over Philadelphia, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Is that panic or is that just? I think Philly is on the edge. Okay, they fall into my on the edge teams. I look at the 76ers Mavericks T-Wolves they're on the edge. They should be almost into that next, that high panic area.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, it was kind of kooky. I thought when you mentioned Dallas man, they had just a kid kind of calling out the team. I'm like, damn dude, you're saying even week three. You know what I'm saying. You kind of called out the team but like man, it was needed. I guess you know what Iuka is man, it's not going to be great defensively ever, but like he does all the other things. So it's up to you you get your shots rebound and do all the little dirty work. It can't just be the one kid from Duke doing all the dirty work.
Speaker 3:I guess I'm picking on PJ Washington. Yeah, lively, yeah, a little bit, but, but you know what I'm saying. That's the other guy that they depend upon, and I know Kyrie was out. So if you're a championship team that want to get back, you know what I'm saying. You got to. You know what I'm saying. You got to the other ancillary parts of the team. As far as the superstars not being out there, you know what I'm saying. You got to perform, so, but like there was a slight panic. I just think with Milwaukee, that's just a mess man of their own that they created of their own. I don't know. We're going to know until Giannis is gone. It ain't going to happen this year. They're not going to trade him this year, okay, but we're going to know until he's gone. But like, did he ask them to trade Drew Holliday? You know what I'm saying. Did asked them to trade Drew Holliday? You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying Did he ask for all these changes? You know what? I'm saying yeah, because this is their worst 13 games starting in franchise history.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is the team that usually starts out winning 13 in a row, or they lose one and then win like seven in the world or something. Crazy man, they have changed up a lot of their pieces of their team and Damian Lillard, it's like man defense. It's not going to happen. Stay in front of your man, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they rank 19th defensively right now, which they're usually one of the best defensive teams in the league.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's a full panic mode. I don't foresee Doc Rivers turning that around anytime soon.
Speaker 5:He can't coach Gosh.
Speaker 2:I don't know why people think Doc Ripper is a terrible coach. He done had some of the most phenomenal rosters ever.
Speaker 3:It ain't been good, since Orlando had him. He had a good roster.
Speaker 2:Since he won you know in. Boston, like that was it.
Speaker 5:No, since those Vets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, but I mean that's what I'm saying, Like that was his calling card, but, like you said, after that, everywhere he's been he.
Speaker 5:I don't know how he keeps getting head coaching jobs. I'll just say it that way.
Speaker 2:I don't know I actually agree with that 110% Because I mean, like when they got rid of the I can't even remember his name, their other coach, who knows they weren't playing that bad Like, they were like number one in the East when they made the coaching switch.
Speaker 5:You're talking about the dude they fired midseason, right after, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:They was first in the East. I was like what do they got to do? But it was like Doc was available and it was just I don't know like they just wanted doc rivers for some reason doc got some dirt on somebody in the nba man adam silver or somebody like it.
Speaker 2:Gotta be somebody high up for him, like you said, to keep getting these jobs and not really being deserving of it. Like that's weird to me, really weird, yeah, what about? Okay? So what about? We mentioned Philly for a hot second 2-11. Granted, they haven't had their three stars on the court at the same time.
Speaker 3:They already had three meetings up.
Speaker 2:They already had two, which they should be. But again, if everybody was on the court and they were 2-11, I'd be like all right, we need to have a conversation. But with one night you're getting Maxie, one night you're getting Paul. Has it been B? B? You know what I mean? Two nights. He's not playing back-to-backs, you don't look, go ahead.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah. No, I was just going to ask you, vernon, on that one. Like I look at this and I say I don't necessarily look at these teams as panic meters because my expectation wasn't high for a lot of these teams that you even got listed. So I guess that's part of it. It's like no, it's not a panic, it's who I knew you were going to be anyway, like teams that build around Joel Embiid. Somebody help me understand that.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but Philly's been adamant about it for some reason, I know. They've been having the same problems year in and year out, same issue.
Speaker 4:The process this whole time.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, you just don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 5:You're right, you're right.
Speaker 4:Philly's a bad organization period.
Speaker 5:You've right, You're right, but I just like I don't like Philly's a bad organization period. I mean you got to think about it. They had Drew. Drew won Rookie of the Year Okay, let's trade him. We have Michael Carter-Williams he won Rookie of the Year. Let's trade him. Like they just done a lot of dumb stuff in that organization. Going back, I mean, we drafted just so much dumb stuff that that organization has done. I'm not surprised by Philly. It's wild. I'm not surprised by the Pelicans.
Speaker 3:Overpaid Paul Drew.
Speaker 5:Yep over Paul, and let's just be honest. Paul's a little bit older. He doesn't need a huge role anymore. He would be a great complimentary piece, which is why I'm not here. That's all he's ever been.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 5:A reunion with the Pacers. I thought would have been a great reunion.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on. Hold on Justin, One second. When has Paul George not been a supporting role?
Speaker 5:He had one year in OKC, where. I would say. And then he had a year with the Clippers, because, don't forget, the Clippers have Mr Glass himself.
Speaker 2:Right, but he even went there still to be a supporting role, like he's never went somewhere and said, all right, not with the expectation to be the man Yep, yep, not.
Speaker 5:With the expectation to be the man. Never, he's never went somewhere and said all right, paul George is the man Yep, yep, not with the expectation to be the man Never.
Speaker 2:He's never went anywhere. He's played that way. He's played like he could be the A guy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no one's ever signed him, but everywhere he's went.
Speaker 2:He's went there to be the B guy. Yeah, yeah, that's true, and I think he does. I don't want to say do it on purpose, but he gets paid a money to be B guy. I can't hate on him. No, not at all. You know, I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything Like. I'm just saying like he's never, like you said, really had that pressure of carrying a team and when he did in Indy he left, yep.
Speaker 5:Yep. So teams have a tendency to just hold on to guys because they're so afraid to take risk. I don't get that about a lot of these franchises either. The Pelicans, Zion Williamson should have been traded two years ago. Stop, Stop. When he can't stop eating them cheeseburgers and going to Whitecastle's Beignets, baby Beignets. Get him out. Get him out All right. Like Trae Young, he should have been gone.
Speaker 2:I think with the Pelicans, I think when he, like after last year he kind of rededicated himself or whatever, Like I think that's the reason why we're having this conversation, Like at 4-10, like that roster is too talented for them to be at this point.
Speaker 5:I don't need you being rededicated. At 23 years old already got your big money, if not?
Speaker 2:you need to be. You don't want to wait until 30 to try to rededicate, I'll take 23 rededication.
Speaker 5:I don't need to rededicate at all. Rededicate to a new city. I'm packing your bags.
Speaker 2:They had the chance they signed him back. They had a chance to get out of that contract and let him go.
Speaker 5:They're an organization that's scared to take risks, like a lot of these other organizations, which is why you see bad teams stay bad.
Speaker 2:I can't argue that, man. I cannot argue that I think the Timberwolves will be okay.
Speaker 5:They'll be fine.
Speaker 2:I think they'll be all right. Sacramento, I think they'll be all right. This is why I think this question was absurd by the way, listen, but I mean somebody like the Hawks at 7-8 in the East. I mean, what do you do? Like you said, trey Young should have been gone, but they got one of the youngest In the duration of a season that they made it to the Eastern Conference Championship.
Speaker 4:they ain't really being good at all Outside of that.
Speaker 2:And I don't really think they've been trying either. I mean seven and eight in the East, whatever, but I mean outside of Jalen Johnson. I mean they haven't really did nothing. They're trying to improve the roster, trying to get ready. Even the draft they've been drafting, even horribly, they got the one from New Orleans, Dyson Daniels.
Speaker 3:He's been pretty well for them. The Rich and Cher kid it's going to take a little time, you know what I'm saying. But the hold on to Trey Young, it's going to take a little time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But he got, but to hold on to Trey Young and it's like what else are we putting around him? Because I mean he's like you said, his time should have been up, but again, like you said, like getting rid of stars for what?
Speaker 3:You also got to know if you trade Trey Young, then your front office is going to tell you boss, we really you know what I'm saying, you know what I mean we really made a bad decision.
Speaker 5:See, but being so prideful that you can't admit. And here's the thing it's not even and I will even say this I don't even think it's necessarily admitting, but I'm not the biggest Luka fan either, so I can admit that, like Luka doesn't know what he's going to say I like Luka too. He don't hit the midnight burger, but he hitting burgers and stuff consistently. That's why his little chunky butt can't stay healthy. Look, I'm a Luka fan. That's why Luka can't move his feet on defense. He is a better player, though.
Speaker 3:He's a better player.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, he's a better player.
Speaker 3:I know, maybe Trae Young had more success early on A little bit, you know what I'm saying From points to points winning. But I would say, look, he's the better player. Nba owners are hoping that one day he has a Charles Broccoli come to Jesus moment, you know what I'm saying and loses, goes on Ozempic or something I don't know. No, you're right, you're right. Loses weight. Or Trae Young matures and instead of acting you know, oh man, I'm open. You know what I'm saying Like how he does and like get everybody. You know what I'm saying. And they kind of keep that around. Shame on me.
Speaker 3:I call it the Allen Iverson. You know what I'm saying. When they used to let you know what I'm saying, the first two years, yeah, lame shoe, I'm like what. You know what I'm saying. But by the time Larry Brown got there, he kind of made sense of it. But unfortunately we don't have King Carp and Larry Brown. Yeah, but that's kind of why they kind that's terrible man. The ceiling for him is incredible and he don't have no motivation to use it and that's the thing and it's still there.
Speaker 2:With him being so young, it's like you can still reach this ceiling if you just put the work in right. You think, and it's like, how do you not get the right type of training staff around there to pay him all this money? I would have the top. Somebody would there like to pay him all this money? Like I will have the top, like somebody will be elbow to elbow with him all day, watching everything he do and making sure that he's doing the right shit all day, every day. Don't matter if he don't want to do the work, I don't. Bro, there's somebody dragging. I've hired somebody to drag you out to bed every day to make sure that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing Hard to move 310 pounds at 5'11".
Speaker 2:Hey, either that or a shoe. You can stay at home if that's where you want to be.
Speaker 5:Yeah. But you see, you could have made that somebody else's problem a couple years ago and got a haul for Zion. You could have Imagine if you had moved in right somewhere like OKC, who had like a million draft picks.
Speaker 5:See the thing about the OKC. Okc is a smart enough organization. They wouldn't have done that. No, no, but there are plenty of teams that would have traded you I mean their future just to get the kid. Now you've probably missed that window, because now I think people are starting to realize who he is as a player and what he brings to the table.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I agree with that, clippers, of course we know what they are. What about the Grizzlies man? They'll be fine. You think they'd be fine. I think so too. They play a good defensive team. I think most good defensive teams will be okay. Good coach they're fine, yeah. So many, there'll be fines if we answer this thing, oh, anyway.
Speaker 4:Shut up, buddy, you ain't even 25% away through the season.
Speaker 2:What about the Pacers? Yeah, that's all I'm about to say. What about the Pacers? Get on them Pacers.
Speaker 3:man, I don't preach all offseason that you're going to fix the defense or you're going to commit to defense.
Speaker 2:They are playing the exact same way and I've watched every game this season.
Speaker 3:Playing the exact same way. The exact same way. I probably seen the OB tapping highlight the other night. You know what I'm saying. That's kind of what he's paid to do. He definitely paid to rebound because, like that's.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy you could jump out of the gym, but you would not rebound.
Speaker 3:Well, you got to have a know, you got to know the ball. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you got to have some type of instinct, but still like dude come on. You're too big and can jump too high, like not to be getting rebounds.
Speaker 3:And you let Poteet get 30 on y'all the other night.
Speaker 5:Man who you telling that's crazy man, See, See rebounding and playing defense requires you to have a desire to want to do it. That's not the sexy thing to do. So, therefore, most of these guys don't want to do it yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean because you got enough offense with Halliburton, neesmith, lambert, turner, you're getting enough offense. You're going to need two or three guys that just can sit in that seat on defense. I just think the Pacers Carlisle just don't preach it enough, which is crazy, because he used to be a defensive coach at one point, but now I think, with the NBA changing, and the only way he could stay in the league and stay relevant, you know, was to, you know, focus on the offense.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, pacers at 6-8, like right now, like I think of course in the East they're still playoff worthy and things of that nature. But if they don't fix that defense and people are kind of keying in on what?
Speaker 3:they do offensively. Now it's going to Well with their big man going down.
Speaker 5:That's, that's what I was going to say Bert. It hurt me to see why it's been teared at Achilles man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a legit concern. I at Achilles man yeah, that's a legit concern. I did thought. I did thought that's Terrence Benacka who was. I thought he would step up and be a more you know what I'm saying, kind of like you know what's the homie down there playing Like Jackson. I thought he'd kind of be like.
Speaker 2:It ain't necessarily turn out just like that. Nah, nah, not yet Nah, but, like you said, like to have a Thompson, a Toppin, like dude. You got to step up.
Speaker 3:Like you just have to.
Speaker 5:Or he's going to step out, but Ovi is being who he's being you just gave him a couple dollars, though, so it's like he's being who he's being this whole time.
Speaker 2:I agree. I'm not arguing that.
Speaker 4:I'm not arguing that I don't think I've ever seen that man get a rebound no, not even in college.
Speaker 2:I'm from baby, yeah yeah, he's, he's, yeah, he's averaging three rebounds right now, like you can't, that's terrible, that's terrible you don't have a desire to do. We have. We have between pascal, mather and turner, like they're leading our team and rebounding. They're each averaging a little over, a little around six and a half. Horrible, absolutely terrible. Like that's not gonna get it done. As a team we're averaging less than 40 rebounds a game. You're not going to win deep in the playoffs with that.
Speaker 4:You know what's crazy? Ain't you got to get a rebound to get out and run, play defense, make somebody miss a shot to get out and run. You see how those things work together. Yep, that's wild. I'm with you. It's a crazy concept.
Speaker 2:I am 100% with you. Until, like you said, the Pacers fix that man, I think we can be calm about them, just because offense is the offense, but it's always coming down to the end with them. Like it's always coming down to fourth quarter, like tight games, like at some point they need to get a stop and like a lot of these losses, they haven't Going to OT losing you know what I mean the last two, three minutes of the game just fucking blowing the game away, like. So, like I said, I think playoff-wise I mean it's early on and it's a long season. I think they'll be okay in the long run, but they got to fix that defense at some point so I didn't get blown out by the Hornets. That game pissed me off.
Speaker 1:But, nonetheless.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what Brandon say? Oh, never mind, that was something else. I got the comments. Last but not least, man, NFL man. I want to just talk a little bit about rookie quarterbacks and their grades so far this year. I want to start with, of course, Caleb. Right now he's sitting at 2,000 passing yards, 9 TDs, 5 interceptions, 306 rushing yards. Of course, the most notable thing is this loss against this most recent one against Green Bay.
Speaker 2:They missed the last second field goal. What do you all think about his? If you had to grade him A, B, C, what do you think so far? Justin, I know you're a hard grader, so I wanted to start with you first.
Speaker 5:I would probably give him a c minus c to c minus okay I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2:I'm with you on that yeah, c to c minus.
Speaker 5:I mean I can go into detail as to why, but I mean I the reality is. And to say it and keep it short to be, he's shown some quote-unquote flashes where you see why teams like the talent but he's still too um and I don't know if it was the coaching. He plays too safe and that's not what made him great in college and things like that. He understood. He just needed to understand when to take chances, and they it's almost like they fully took that away from him. So now he.
Speaker 5:So now he's playing not to make mistakes and therefore it doesn't look like he has chemistry with any of his receivers, if I'm being honest with you. Or I mean even his tight end, like it, just it's not meshing well. So I don't think it's all on him, which is why I say it probably like a C, I don't think it's all on him. But at the same time, he has to be better too, make smarter decisions, because I also think, as bad as people are saying their offensive line is, I also think he's the reason he's taking a lot of those sacks too, holding on to the ball too long, not getting it out quick, not just go ahead and settle for your check down when it's there things like that that you just got to be willing to do, you know, just to keep the change moving.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely. And speaking on his offensive line, he and since 2020, he's eighth in sack to pressure rate. So 32% of the time he's either under pressure or sacked. So that's, that's a lot. So at least once, at least once a series, he's under pressure.
Speaker 5:Some of that's his own doing, though I will say that, no, I agree.
Speaker 4:A lot of it's his own doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So 38% of his dropbacks is above average, but not exceptional. But 33 unblocked pressures and 15 extended pressures, 59 quick pressures this season under two and a half seconds. So I will say that's offensive line, the the quick pressures. But like you, like you said, that's going. That goes back to not taking what the defense is giving you, not taking the check downs. Like, everybody has a check down, everybody has a quick out, everybody has a slant, everybody has that, a quick out. Everybody has a slant, everybody has that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:If you're under pressure, where to go and again, I think, trying to make a play, trying to, you know, overextend the play, when it's like, okay, let's just live for another down, kind of like what AR did too some you know what I mean Like, hey, just take a check down, let's move on. You know what I mean. Or run Like, if you're going to run, run Like scrambling behind the line, don't do nothing. Like, if you have the ability to run, if your first or second read ain't there, run Like, make a positive play out of it. But, like you said, a lot of them just want to sit back in the pocket because I don't know, I don't know, can somebody answer that question for me? Why do these very afflated quarterbacks just tend to just sit back there and you have the ability?
Speaker 5:Because the national media kills them when they run and they disrespect them as being quarterbacks. It's what they've done to them. That's what you see with all of them, whether it's Little Mars or whoever you want to say. That's all.
Speaker 2:Outside of Josh Allen.
Speaker 5:Josh is different. Different though, because but Buffalo they, they do a lot of design, qb runs yeah, so um. So he's a little bit different. You know what I mean With that Um, but yeah, I'm going to jump in here real quick.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, this is not the time for this. Uh yeah, no, I I need to subtract you real quick. Oh my gosh, this is not the time for this Ike. Yeah, no, I need to distract you real quick.
Speaker 4:Brandon asked questions. Just do the Steelers own Lamar and Baltimore?
Speaker 5:They got their number. I mean it's the truth, I mean they got their number. But the question I would ask the only team?
Speaker 2:that they have a losing record against is the Steelers. They won it for against the Steelers. I mean Lamar has terrible numbers. They got a losing record against the Steelers.
Speaker 5:It's not always a Lamar thing. I hate football and national media anyway because it's like you know, even like this week, and that's why I loved even like Josh Allen's comment Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes they didn't play against each other. Josh Allen wasn't defending Mahomes Like let's stop making it out to be that. But I will say the Steelers have, for whatever reason they have Baltimore's number when it comes to defending them. The funny thing is they do. But the other funny thing is when's the last time Pittsburgh's done anything? So if you're happy about beating Baltimore, I mean you're a pretty sad Steelers fan. And let's just be honest about the game this weekend, mr Reef, baltimore probably had 100 yards in penalty. It was the worst. I don't know what they were doing as far as like with the penalties and stuff. And then I'm going to say this defund Justin Tucker. He's a bum this year.
Speaker 2:He is a bum, he probably just needs to hang it up now. Like you got all the records you done, did it all Like there's no reason. When Vinatieri had that bad season with the Colts, he was like all right, cool.
Speaker 5:I'm done, I'm good. I actually said this this weekend and I said if you took his name off and he was anybody other than Justin Tucker, we would be hearing about Baltimore potentially signing a kicker this week, or probably even before now, because he's missed so many kicks this year. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:He was lights out last year. Mm-hmm. Yep, which is crazy.
Speaker 4:It's just like a year turn around.
Speaker 5:Every year until this year. Yeah, so mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that.
Speaker 5:But yeah, baltimore struggles against Pittsburgh, no questions there. Look, I'm not that naive guy, like I don't. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. We'll see in a couple weeks if they can fix it. But at the same time, anybody on this outside of me does it make any sense to run Derrick?
Speaker 2:Henry 11 times Raven's. Got to be more disciplined. I don't know why you took I'll take Johnson. He's a bum.
Speaker 5:Oh, I agree. I agree, brandon, like I don't understand the trade, especially when he's not even part of the offense. What did you go get him for if you're not going to? If?
Speaker 2:you're not going to use him If you're not going to strip anything and use him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like it made no sense. I don't get that trade. But go get Mike Williams and get a big body receiver to have another big body threat to compliment what Zay Flowers does, then Deontay because they're not using Deontay.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that too. Back to the topic. What about Jaden Daniels? He's 2,300 passing yards, 10 TDs, only three interceptions. 482 rushing yards. Early on man, they was talking MVP. He has kind of teetered off these past three games, but still solid showing. I mean, I would say after the rib injury, but still a solid showing for a rookie, probably one of the best rookie seasons, I guess since last year.
Speaker 5:I'll let somebody else answer that. I would just say this I don't think he ever was to me an MVP candidate though. Okay, yeah, like for one. They're too run-dominant with the running backs, they're gobbling up all the touchdowns and we all know you got as a quarterback, you got to put up some passing touchdowns to be considered or have a ton of rushing touchdowns. Passing touchdowns to be considered or have a ton of rushing touchdowns and he doesn't get in the end zone.
Speaker 2:He's done a fantastic job he does get stopped closest.
Speaker 5:He does a good job, a great job of protecting the ball for a rookie, but he doesn't put the ball in the end zone enough for that to even have been in consideration. People ain't going to want to hear it, but I'll say it Lamar is still probably the front runner for MVP.
Speaker 2:Let's just be real. Yeah, because he has. Let me see how many rushing touchdowns Four, so, with 10 passing touchdowns. Yeah it's not enough 14 touchdowns total touchdowns Nah, yeah, but I mean definitely an offensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 5:I don't know Bo Nix is Bo Nix is yeah no yeah yeah, that's who we hey actually who's next?
Speaker 2:Yeah, bo Nix came all the way back around.
Speaker 5:Bo Nix is making a strong case, what about his?
Speaker 2:What would you grade him, though, I guess, given Jaden Daniels a grade on that same scale, jonathan?
Speaker 3:As he's in it because he's got the Guardians command. I said Guardians Because he's got the Command. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. With hope and a winning feeling I would give him a solid B you know what I'm saying. All these quarterbacks still young, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I kind of take what Tom Brady said about a month ago. He said some people consider him the GOAT. He didn't start his first, he had the backup. We didn't kind of fast track quarterbacks out there already exotic defenses, everybody ain't got the same defense. We all know this right. And then they kind of want them to learn on the fly. And sometimes you know what I'm saying learn on the fly, you're going to get a couple of bruises. That's kind of where you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Williams is at in Chicago, but you don't want him offensive coordinator coach, all that. But as far as Jake Daniels' turn man, you know it's up or trending, but you point out, a great one. His first four weeks or so he couldn't get in the end zone. You know what I'm saying. Other than you know what I'm saying. If they tiptoed in there he couldn't throw it in the end zone. You know what I'm saying so. He's shown some durability as well, being you know what Slim frame and whatnot he seems to be. That place apart, I would give Jake Daniels a solid B minus.
Speaker 2:Okay, I agree with that. What about Drake May right now? Of course he hasn't started the whole year, but just in his last few starts 1,200 yards, nine TDs, six interceptions, with 260 rushing yards. New England's not doing anything. I mean, nobody's worried about that, but just his play and all in all, just from what you've seen, what y'all think about him.
Speaker 5:Think he'll be a solid starter, I guess.
Speaker 4:What's a solid starter in New England.
Speaker 2:I mean just for the NFL, I don't just say just in new england, I mean because new england's hasn't been, hasn't been good here lately anyway, but with new everything um, just in his few couple stars do we think he's the guy? Should they stay drafting quarterbacks?
Speaker 5:I mean at some point you gotta three and two quarterbacks because you can't fix, you gotta fix everything else before you get the quarterback. Quarterback, to me, is the last thing you need to put in place. You need to get your lines together. You got to get weapons.
Speaker 2:They're always starting to trench yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:So like I mean, if you're putting a grade on him, I guess probably like a c minus or something like that, I mean he's been okay. But with all these young quarterbacks I don't care if you're talking about from the Jaden Dennings or whoever a lot of this is going. We're going to see come year two and three what they're about.
Speaker 5:This first year people ain't got the tape on you either. You know what I'm saying and know where your weaknesses are. So I wasn't a Drake May believer when he came out. That hasn't changed just because of some you know, some decent outings. I still don't, yeah, I mean, I'm not a big, I'm not a Drake May guy.
Speaker 3:I would ask again I don't have an environment. What is this? What is this? How many, how many times has he been sacked this year? And that kind of point to you. Know what I'm saying? Should they invest in the offensive line? Well, obviously they do, but I just want to tell you, you know what I'm saying six interceptions, over 70% of May's passing yardage wind pressure.
Speaker 2:This season has come after the catch, so he hasn't really been not really much.
Speaker 3:Okay so.
Speaker 2:Scramble rate yeah no. Her drop back yeah no.
Speaker 4:Six interceptions.
Speaker 3:Six interceptions. Yeah, he got to get that connectivity going with that team. I'm pretty sure New England is probably middle of the road in their rushing game as far as running back is concerned. So again, that would be another weapon that can support him once that gets set in place. But don't lose your mind if New England draft a guard or something crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's only averaging seven yards, seven air yards per attempt.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:And only 22% of his dropbacks are throws behind the line of scrimmage. Most of the time he's going on a run, which so yeah. But again with that receiver room, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would probably put him in that B area, just because you don't know and, like you said, without the offensive line and the weapons, who knows what he could be you grading on the curve. I mean, if we just grading him, I mean he's playing okay, but can he be better with better weapons? I think he would be.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but we're not even like, we ain't going into that. No, no, just based upon his performance, though.
Speaker 1:You're saying he deserves a B.
Speaker 4:In all honesty, other than Sutton, I mean, and Sutton is hit or miss. Who does Bo Dix have?
Speaker 2:They don't even know who the running back is back there. So they still got.
Speaker 5:Williams yeah, oh, he's still there. He's there, but yeah, two games ago he had one carry. I think it was.
Speaker 2:Estimate who had the carries that game. Well, bo Dix right now is 2,200 passing yards, 14 touchdowns, only six interceptions and 295 rushing. Um, I yeah, I think he's probably. He's definitely playing the best out of everybody um, I wouldn't.
Speaker 5:I still don't think he's playing better than jayden you don't think so right now no no, they, they, they, they, they, they put these.
Speaker 3:he's real. I'm not saying saying coddled, is that the right word. They put him in a controlled situation, very controlled, very.
Speaker 3:He's not put in no situation where he got to go out there, and you know what I'm saying. Try to say the word like Hulk Hogan, you know what I'm saying 1984. You know what I'm saying. But he's not terrible because he's mature. Hell, he can play college football. You know what I'm saying. So, hell, he done seen a lot, but, like no man, it's a good story for him. It's good you know what I mean. Going forward, he's probably definitely going to be that starter. I couldn't.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have a lot of negative plays. Give him a break.
Speaker 3:He's a big. He's in that B minus. I mean he's an FB question.
Speaker 2:I think he I mean he doesn't have a bunch of negative plays, he doesn't. He scrambles, he's not scared to get out the pocket and scramble, so he doesn't. He's not one of them QBs that just sits back there regardless of the situation. Yeah, I'm okay with a B, you know, and.
Speaker 1:I put him right there.
Speaker 2:I mean, like I said, I put him right there with Jayden Daniels. I mean because, Jayden Daniels, you look at him, we say the same thing. The situation is very controlled, Like you said, with the runs, the design runs and how they use him as an extra running back.
Speaker 5:No, jayden Daniels no I wouldn't say that no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:So you think they just let Jayden Daniel's loose with the full playbook and he has that much control.
Speaker 3:You forget about the Hail Mary.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, a Hail Mary is a Hail Mary.
Speaker 5:I'll put it to you this way, that's not control, that's just a. Hail Mary. If you look at yeah, if you look at Jaden Daniels' completion percentage and you look at how good he's been throwing the ball downfield, specifically, and how he I mean, think about it McLaurin Noah Brown like.
Speaker 5:McLaurin like he's making guys better. He's that quarterback where he I mean look at Zach Ertz. Zach Ertz is having a freaking, very productive year because of what Jaden Daniels is doing. He understands how to manipulate the pocket. It's more to it than just the numbers with Jaden Daniels. Like I said, his numbers from a touchdown standpoint aren't great, but if you're watching, no, I would definitely say Bo's playing good, don't get me wrong One. He has Sean Payton back there who understands offensively how to control those type of situations, help control the flow of the game for his quarterbacks and not that. Uh, the commanders haven't done a good job with jayden, but jayden, to me, if you watch those games, he has a little bit more flexibility and command of that offense and what he does and the type of plays that he's making out there. So I I would definitely have to give the edge to jayden and again, it's not that bo's playing bad?
Speaker 2:no, I'm not. I'm not saying Nix is better, but I'm just saying like he hasn't even been playing like again.
Speaker 5:I don't even right now. If you did a, if you did a redraft, you're not going to get one person to say I'm taking Bo Nix over Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm not think. Neither one of them offenses is just this super complicated offense that teams can't figure out.
Speaker 4:So, molly, what is an added benefit that like the Broncos defense I mean the fantasy defense is good, but the Broncos defense Elite, yeah, their top five defense Broncos defense is elite.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that. I definitely agree with that, and definitely better than the commander's defense.
Speaker 5:Oh, no question, yeah, so no, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. That makes sense. All right, man. Well shoot, that's all I got, man. I ain't got nothing else, man, unless y'all want to talk about these Pick'em records, that pretty much I mean.
Speaker 3:I know anybody watch the fight.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I guess I wanted to talk to Justin.
Speaker 5:You watch the UFC. This weekend I got to see a little bit of the John Jones. I was mad. I actually missed the fight live. I was mad about that. But from everything I've seen what a heck of a performance, though, by him. Man, I don't care what nobody says. Pound for pound, in terms of the fight, game's the best. He's the best to do it, man. I that dude is so freaking smart as a fighter man. He is so smart and it's just like I was.
Speaker 2:I was almost kind of like nervous because like how they were hyping up old boy. But I was like once they started talking about him because I didn't know who he really was, once they started talking about him because I didn't know who he really was, once they started talking about him, they're like man, he ain't fallen in a few years. I'm like what. I'm like okay. But it was like okay, former two-time champ. I'm like okay, he used to be that guy. I'm like okay, let's see man. This man was moving like he had bricks in his pockets, john.
Speaker 4:Donald just picked that man apart.
Speaker 5:Boy, don't even talk about that. That WWE event that took place.
Speaker 3:I had to tell the kids that the wife said it was fake. They was like Mr. Jonathan, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5:I said no, that's fake. It's fake, it's WWE. There's no way.
Speaker 2:Thank you, there's no way, thank you, thank you, there's no way. Like the way, like, because they was showing replays, like people you know, of course the whole internet is going to analyze the whole fight man, they was showing stuff. I'm like, yeah, tyson could have hit him in, like it was like three, four, five, like four, five, like each round he had knockout shots.
Speaker 3:I didn't like it. I didn't like it going into like a barstool guy got on a prayer time. He had put $100,000 on Jake Paul. I'm like, are you for real? Yeah, then you come find out. It was like the gloves were smaller. You know what I'm saying? How many minutes? Two-minute rounds? I'm like, yeah, don King rolling over his grave man, he made $40 million. Jay Park made $40 million. There's no history. He ain't no movie star. He ain't fight nobody. He didn't fight Buster Douglas, he ain't fought nobody.
Speaker 4:He fought. Who was his age? He lost it.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's what I was saying, and the person he lost to wasn't even a good fighter. No, I'm like you fought somebody who halfway knew what they were doing in the ring and you lost.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's why, I laugh at this.
Speaker 2:Imagine if you goes up against one of these guys that really know what they're doing, bro, you would get demolished.
Speaker 5:I said this I don't knock his hustle, he's smart about what he does. But like, why you think he calls out a yeah, why you think he calls out a Conor McGregor after a fight like that. Like, really, dude, at some point people are going to stop tuning in because they're going to realize you're just putting on a circus act and that's only going to be appealing for so long. And people are only watching because they want you to lose, but as long as they watch, he don't care why. He don't care why.
Speaker 2:Somebody wants to see you get knocked out.
Speaker 5:But, you're really paying people to not knock?
Speaker 2:you out.
Speaker 5:As you were saying, that won't happen until he actually fights in a real fight, which he would never do.
Speaker 2:Right Until somebody else's team is promoting, until it's on the even playing field, bro.
Speaker 5:I don't care what promotion it is but there was a rumor that he said eventually he wanted to fight Canelo. I said Canelo killed that young man in the ring and I mean that and I'm not like I ain't even trying to be funny Canelo would hurt that boy bad. Yeah that was a rumor that I was hearing that I saw he needs to stay right in the promotional lane.
Speaker 2:He in.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he better stick to these exhibitions because you start messing with real fighters. It's crazy. I think I saw something where they said Gervonta Davis said look, I'll fight you.
Speaker 3:I've seen that one. Jake Paul ain't doing that. No, he's not doing that.
Speaker 5:He ain't Jake.
Speaker 1:Paul ain't going to do that.
Speaker 5:Tank is half his size and we'll get in there and hurt him Because he's not ready for people who can actually box Like. I actually saw Devin Haney do an interview with a guy who was a bodybuilder. Y'all know Devin Haney had a big dude. His bodybuilder had to be 100 pounds heavier than Devin Haney and he was so convinced he would beat Devin Haney in a boxing match fight.
Speaker 1:And Devin.
Speaker 5:Haney could do nothing but laugh. He said man, you know, I do this for a living. I know how to punch Like. It's like. I don't care how big you are. Guys don't understand these guys. They do this for a living. I don't care Like your average Joe on the street, you're not getting in with the smallest boxer that you can think of and beating them. I'm going to tell you that right now they're going to tear your tail up?
Speaker 3:Period, that's it, I mean that's just the reality of itself. Know where to hit you. Know how to hit you. Practice hitting, practice setting up hits.
Speaker 2:Dude, like from footwork to setting up hits to their vision, like timing, like it's so much to go into it, bro, I don't think Jake Paul is nowhere near any of these guys.
Speaker 3:He's a workout warrior. You know what I'm saying. He knows how to. You know what I'm saying. Look good, say all the right things or whatever. Or say all the controversial things to get people to watch or whatever. He's a genius. He was in WWE about a year ago, you know what I'm saying. Doing all kinds of emotional things with them. That's kind of like how I see this man. So fighting a 60-year-old Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson didn't. Mike Tyson literally pulled back the punch when his chin was too cold, like no man. That's faker than you know.
Speaker 5:A $3 bill, so you know, one of my guys tried to tell me he goes, man Mike Tyson, he don't need this for the money. I said why else would Mike Tyson be doing this, brother?
Speaker 3:No, mike Tyson, unfortunately it do, kind of again not to go political, but it kind of feel like man. Mike Tyson, are you broke?
Speaker 2:You that broke, and I don't think he that broke, because he owned one of the biggest weed farms in the country. He's been doing this way. He's been doing it way. He's one of the first people that got into it.
Speaker 3:This dude's getting $40 million to fight real fighters.
Speaker 4:That don't mean he kept that money. Thank you.
Speaker 5:Here's the thing People forget it don't matter how much you make, how much is he spending, what is his lifestyle?
Speaker 3:Different.
Speaker 5:It's different Tigers. Yeah, I don't know the man's pocketbook, but I'm just saying to me you don't go into that fight if it ain't anything else other than for the money, because it doesn't help your legacy. If you're Mike Tyson and honestly it didn't help boxing at all that night that did nothing for boxing.
Speaker 3:That didn't help boxing at all.
Speaker 5:No, so again, it makes you say well, ESPN didn't want to run it.
Speaker 3:They all bashed it.
Speaker 5:Yep, it was terrible. The most entertaining fight on there was probably I like the Mario Barrios fight. The Barrios fight was a real good fight. Yeah, that was a real good fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were not strong enough. He done made a lot of money in his life too.
Speaker 5:He has, but he went bankrupt already once in a while.
Speaker 2:No 2003,. He fell for it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so I mean you can't count none of that bread he made before that yeah, before that right. Yeah, he's made a lot, but he's lost a whole lot too.
Speaker 2:Nobody's showing exactly.
Speaker 5:Don't get me wrong. I'm sure his dispensary.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5:He ain't worth that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's saying his net worth was like right around prior to that fight 11 million. Exactly, brother, Exactly brother 11 million dollars yeah.
Speaker 3:Nintendo owe Mike Tyson 11 million dollars.
Speaker 4:Mike Tyson's punchline was the crazy hey he wouldn't do bad if he re-released it.
Speaker 5:Hey, they need to remaster that boy and put it out again.
Speaker 2:Hey, yeah, that's terrible.
Speaker 3:That's my guilty life dollars appearing at Hangover. 3. Or 2, whichever one it was, 2. Man, that's horrible $11 million.
Speaker 5:Yep. Damn Mike, Don't tell me he couldn't use the bread hey sound like he could man so I ain't knocking him shoot. I can give him 20 mils you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:Let's see if you paying me to lose.
Speaker 5:I can do that. You give me 20 mils, I'm in there. What's up?
Speaker 2:yeah, we gonna make it look good yeah. I give you everything I got.
Speaker 5:That's it, Especially if somebody is going to be pulling back their punches Right right, we're good, we're good.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, no man Talking about these pick-em records, I don't know what we're doing. Ike said it's over, man.
Speaker 4:It's over. I mean you're the only person that's close. You don't remember the dunk contest that Vince was in.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, that's what you're saying. That's it. It's over, bro, it's done. I'll lock in for these last. What do we got Seven games left, seven weeks. Seven weeks. I'll lock in for these last seven.
Speaker 2:We'll be talking about the miracle on ice, because Jarrett was close too, but then he didn't pick none of the games this week. Yeah he said he was.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he said he was, and then he never did.
Speaker 4:I'm at the Center of Mind on Sunday morning, but I got busy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, like I said, I saw Ike just falling flat on his face.
Speaker 5:No, man, it don't even take that I'll continue to beat Ike, like I did this week. Each week, that's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 4:You beat me by a game, bro. Even if you beat me by a game every week, the math don't matter.
Speaker 5:I'll start beating you by two games.
Speaker 4:You know what's crazy. You know why y'all ain't going to win? Because both of y I'll pick with your hearts and not your heads. Vernon picks against an entire conference every week?
Speaker 5:Yes, he does.
Speaker 4:And you just pick against people you hate. That's why you didn't pick the Bears. You pick against people you hate. You pick against the Niners almost every week. Don't think I don't see this stuff. No, no, no I don't.
Speaker 5:I pick the Niners most of the time, but I told you I'll be transparent. I pick them just because of our back and forth with the Seahawks.
Speaker 4:Yes, I know that you do. See it, patty, I absolutely know that you do, and that's what you do you pick with your heart. You can pick Josh Allen almost every week too, just because you don't like Josh Allen.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not sold on Buffalo. Man flow man, you know, it's just hard to pick them.
Speaker 2:It's the same way I feel about the Chargers, bro. It's hard for me to be sold on Chargers anymore. They're playing really good this season, but again.
Speaker 5:I'm sold on Jim Harbaugh, so I can pick the Chargers.
Speaker 4:Exactly right, you're not going to catch me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, that's what. I said I'll just start picking the right way, moving forward and then I'll be honest for about two weeks, ike, because I think you had a little bit bigger lead. I was like I'm going to just try to go opposite of you on a few games that I know you would.
Speaker 2:Try to sneak a one or two in. Try to sneak and close that gap a little bit too.
Speaker 5:So I went a little bit more aggressive for like probably the last two or three weeks, just to try to see.
Speaker 4:Hey, it's been paying off man, I mean a little bit you went 11-3 this past week.
Speaker 5:so yeah, but the week before that I dug myself a hole because I went too crazy aggressive that week. So yeah, I'll just be smart about it going forward. But you know we'll see.
Speaker 2:We'll see. Hey, man, we can pick right now, man, y'all want to go ahead and get out the way?
Speaker 5:That's fine, I can do that real quick.
Speaker 4:We did have a comment from Ryu, something about the Boston game. I guess Darius Garland was big trash. It was 3-21. However, I took the under on Darius Garland on 19 points, hit my parlay, so thank you.
Speaker 2:Comes back to money.
Speaker 4:Hey, getting paid, getting paid.
Speaker 2:Alright, so Thursday, man, we got Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Man.
Speaker 4:Yikes, Just like I took them last week. It was great.
Speaker 5:And they should have lost, should have Did not that part right there. That was such a messy game, but yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, the 49ers should have won too. They didn't.
Speaker 5:No, they lost to Geno Keep that in mind, Geno baby.
Speaker 4:They lost to Geno for the first time in five games.
Speaker 5:No matter.
Speaker 4:What are y'all?
Speaker 5:third or fourth in the division. Win a game the bums.
Speaker 4:Last in the division. Everybody still has the same record. It's so annoying.
Speaker 2:Minnesota and Chicago. Minnesota has the line at negative three and a half.
Speaker 4:Is that close?
Speaker 2:Yes, indiana, detroit, detroit. Go ahead and pick Andy.
Speaker 5:I am, I am, I know you I am. To your point. That's why he loses, that's fine.
Speaker 2:I'll take mine. You're a breezed up deaf guy. You're never going to catch me. New England, miami, miami.
Speaker 5:Miami.
Speaker 2:Really oh okay, I can't pick the Patriots Tampa Bay and the Giants Tampa Bay.
Speaker 5:Yeah, danny DeVito, back there quarterback, oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Danny DeVito had a couple games man Bucks, he might pop off.
Speaker 2:Tampa Bay line is negative five and a half.
Speaker 5:Has Tampa got Mike Evans back this week?
Speaker 4:That's a good question.
Speaker 2:That's a great question I think he was so close to the last half, but I don't know.
Speaker 4:Okay, I don't care, we barely beat him. He wasn't there.
Speaker 2:True, they're not saying nothing. Okay, just curious Injuries. Let's see Questionable Everybody's questionable, mike Evans. Questionable Jamel Dean he's on IR still. Tykee Smith, my bad Questionable Everybody's questionable right now, and that's as of yesterday.
Speaker 5:I'm going to go with the Bucs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go with the Bucs too. Next game Dallas and Washington.
Speaker 5:I ain't picking Dallas for nothing.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 5:Dallas and the Jets. You said, bernie you picked Dallas last week.
Speaker 2:I did Because I was just trying to go against the grain on that. So that's the reason why I picked that. I was like, all right, man, I'm going to go against the grain on this, on that. So that's the reason why I picked that. I was like, alright, I'm going to go against the grain on this. Kansas City and Carolina.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Cooper Rush picked up and worked out for you.
Speaker 2:You said he did, he did.
Speaker 5:Hey, the one week he checked his roster I looked, I said I said he changed his roster.
Speaker 1:Hey no, no no, hey no, no no.
Speaker 2:Talk about wait, wait, Justin.
Speaker 4:Wait, justin, I checked his roster. I hated on you so hard, I hated on you so bad, he hit me up, he's like hey, bro, are you just throwing?
Speaker 2:games in the fantasy. I'm like man, I be forgetting. I be trying to get my bets in on Sunday. I'd be forgetting to do my fantasy lineup. He was like, hey, man, you need to go pick up Cooper Rush this week because Justin needs to lose. I was like, all right, so I jumped in. I'm like Cooper Rush boop, boop, boop boop.
Speaker 4:Hey, that's my payback for Seattle.
Speaker 2:Wow that is Okay, All right. Next game Tennessee and Houston.
Speaker 4:Houston. Houston Pick Houston. Houston Pick Tennessee. That's because it's the Texans.
Speaker 2:I know Denver and Las Vegas Denver.
Speaker 3:Yep, it's got to go down.
Speaker 2:San Fran and Green Bay.
Speaker 4:Green Bay, I'm still taking 49ers, I don't care. I also think that Green Bay, green Bay, I'm still taking 49ers, I don't care. I also think that Green Bay has not been that great.
Speaker 2:They haven't been playing good lately either. Like you lose to the Bears in that field goal Right.
Speaker 5:Just so you know. I said Green Bay and I typed the Niners no, green Bay, they beat the Bears.
Speaker 4:Barely on a field goal Right right right, I thought you said they lost to the.
Speaker 2:Bears. They beat the Bears Barely On a field goal. Right, right, right.
Speaker 4:I thought you said they lost to the Bears. No, on a block.
Speaker 2:I said the Bears would have won.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're 100% right. They ain't look good in a couple weeks now. So, nah, I can't go with that Arizona and.
Speaker 2:Seattle.
Speaker 4:Cardinals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go Cardinals as. Yeah, I'm going to go Cardinals as much as I want both of them I would love for them to get in at the top.
Speaker 4:That would be the perfect scenario for y'all.
Speaker 2:They play each other twice in the next three weeks too, so maybe one win one and the other one win one Two times.
Speaker 4:I need two times, two times.
Speaker 2:Both of those games Philly and the Rams, I know, and the Rams they just so up and down Like this would be one of the games they win Sunday night.
Speaker 5:That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pick the Rams, but I don't know if they stopped Saquon.
Speaker 5:That's why I had to pick them that part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then does Philly stop. You see what Puka, Nakua and Cub just did last week like do they stop that In?
Speaker 5:addition to Philly's defense.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man, that's secondary.
Speaker 5:Secondary is looking. Yeah, like legit.
Speaker 2:Baltimore and Chargers.
Speaker 5:Chargers.
Speaker 2:I Chargers. I'm going to go Baltimore on that.
Speaker 4:I need Chargers. Are y'all going to get a ball today, gary?
Speaker 5:Yeah, what did you say? He said are y'all going to get a ball today, Gary? That's the thing, though I told you, I don't trust that they're going to tie a monkey.
Speaker 2:But you know what, after they have a game where they give him low carries, usually the next game they end up giving him fucking 30 carries. I'm going to take the Ravens.
Speaker 4:I'm going to take the Ravens too.
Speaker 2:I just want.
Speaker 4:Derrick Henry to go crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take the Ravens too. We got Atlanta on the bye, Buffalo on the bye, Cincinnati on the bye, New Orleans on the bye, the Jets on the bye and Jacksonville all on the bye. Dang oh is that the whole thing? Yeah, that's it, that's it. We got six teams on the bye this week.
Speaker 5:You know what, though I wonder if Khalil Mack is still going to be out for the Chargers.
Speaker 2:Let me check Injuries. He's questionable as of today.
Speaker 4:Up to mid. Anyway, all right If he doesn't play.
Speaker 5:That's actually going to change some things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to take the Ravens, just record-wise.
Speaker 5:You know what? I'm going to switch one of my games real quick just because I can't have me and I can't have as many similar games. Oh, look at that. So let me change. Let me change that one.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you got to post it because.
Speaker 4:I'm the one. Yeah, I was about to say you got to post it.
Speaker 5:I was about to say no, no, no, I'm just going through it in my head, so I changed. So I'm going to pick Cleveland against the Steelers and then yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm going with my man, james oh, against Pitt.
Speaker 5:Against Pittsburgh? Yep, and then who did we say? Who's the Vikings playing the Bears?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Nah, I can't name that.
Speaker 4:I can't do that.
Speaker 2:What did you pick? Miami and a new way I did my flipper?
Speaker 4:No, it's not.
Speaker 5:No no no.
Speaker 2:There's too many games that I can't really Out of all the guys. If you're going to do another, that's probably the only other one to do.
Speaker 5:I don't see the Seattle, Seattle and the Arizona game is the other one that I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Honestly that one could be a tough one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably the next one. All right, who'd you pick?
Speaker 5:You went with the Cardinals. I said the Cardinals All right, seahawks winning would be better for me. Yeah, yes, because the Cardinals are number one with six and four. I think, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and everybody else is five and five.
Speaker 5:I hate it because me and you were on the same page on all these games, so I just had to do something different, though Otherwise I can't gain no traction. So we'll go Browns and we'll go Se and we'll go Seahawks. There we go. All right, got it in All, right Cool.
Speaker 2:Well, that's it, man. We appreciate Jonathan joining us Crossroads Sports. Make sure we tag y'all. Make sure y'all check them out on Wednesday nights at 8. Hey, we defund anything Any closing arguments. We got any good fights coming up, justin.
Speaker 5:I don't think you got nothing really coming up fight-wise that I can think of.
Speaker 5:Let me see yeah, let's see, I don't even know if the tank fight is still taking place. That was supposed to take place on december 14th, uh, but I don't know that that's still taking place or not. There's been some, some talks about that might not be going through anymore, so I don't. You know. With boxing, unfortunately, you just you never know. You know how that's gonna play out, but if, if so, I think the next big fight is, uh, de December 14th. Tank will be back in the ring, supposedly.
Speaker 2:December 7th, emmanuel. I don't even want to mess up his last name, Oscar Valdez.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Valdez, that might be him.
Speaker 2:Junior lightweight title Saudi Arabia. You got Tyson Fury supposed to be fighting. That's December 21st. They don't have nothing about December 14th on here.
Speaker 5:They may have removed that one. He was supposed to be fighting, though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, in England, liverpool, yeah, no, they don't have it on there, no more.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was supposed to be fighting. I think, if I am mistaken, the Tyson Fury is the rematch against Usyk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess, that's on the plan first. Yeah, but I'm not, eh. Eh, I will say this I'm defunding a lot of NFL kickers this week, so Justin Tucker's at the top of that list.
Speaker 4:Man, I ain't going to lie to you. Jake Moody ain't been my favorite guy, so I get it.
Speaker 5:Shoot. What's his name? Kool from the Falcons. Kool from the Falcons.
Speaker 2:He's another one that would have been super consistent and just fell off.
Speaker 5:There's a lot of kickers right now that I'm going to have to defund this week. I'm sorry, alright.
Speaker 2:I'm with that man. With that said, this has been Epic Podcast. We see y'all next week, man Peace.