E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Stepping Out of Shadows: Bronny James’ Path, WNBA Coaching Shifts, and Juicy NFL Debates
Could Bronny James truly step out of his father's enormous shadow? We tackle this question head-on as the Lakers make the surprising decision to assign him to their G League affiliate, the South Bay Lakers. Our discussion examines the pressures and potential pathways for Bronny in defining his own basketball career. Meanwhile, Ohio State’s recent nail-biting win has us on the edge of our seats, sparking a spirited debate over their strategic play balance as they gear up for upcoming games against Northwestern and Purdue. The tension between passing and running plays has never been more compelling, and we break down what it might take for them to secure high-scoring victories.
Switching gears, we dive into the dynamic world of WNBA coaching, spotlighting Stephanie White’s move to the Indiana Fever and Tyler Marsh taking the helm at the Chicago Sky. With Marsh's NBA experience, could this be a game-changer for the team? We also touch on the financial inequalities within the league, as player earnings often lag behind those of coaches. On the gridiron, college football rankings flare up with intensity as we dissect Colorado's potential path to the Big 12 Championship amid fierce competition and conference realignment. The stakes have never been higher with the expanded playoff structure, making victory all the more vital.
Our NFL segment is a treat for football fanatics, featuring heated debates over midseason awards and player contracts. From potential Coach of the Year candidates to the evaluation of top-tier receiver salaries, we cover it all. The quarterback salary debate is particularly juicy, with contrasting views on the financial strategies employed by teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Cincinnati Bengals. We wrap up with a colorful discussion on player performances, particularly spotlighting Lamar Jackson and Jared Goff, while joking about the seemingly rampant ankle injuries plaguing the league this season. Join us for an episode packed with lively debates, sports insights, and personal anecdotes—fueling your passion for the game.
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Speaker 2:Yo yo yo. Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast Joined in the house today with Jared and Fitz. What's good, my guys, chillin' man, man Living the dream, chilling, chilling, chilling. How was y'all's sports weekend, man? I'll start with you, fitz. How was yours, man?
Speaker 4:It was cool Ohio.
Speaker 2:State won.
Speaker 4:Ohio State won. Yeah, they did, they pulled it out against Penn State. Early.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, Win is a win man. What I'm gonna say right now, I mean we at a point now that, hey, look, you just got hey.
Speaker 3:Might as well lose. If you're gonna play trash Like I don't know, I ain't with that, win is a win crap. Look like ultimate trash again Like yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, hey, y'all doing enough To get the job done? I look like Ultimate Trash again.
Speaker 4:I mean hey y'all doing enough to get the job done.
Speaker 3:Definitely got some work to do for sure these next two weeks we better go crazy. Northwestern and Purdue we better go. Yeah, you got to run it up on them. If we don't beat each team 50 to 5, I'm nothing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, that's real talk.
Speaker 3:Really 50 is an understatement. We need to put up like 65 on each team.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of pressure and I'm dead ass, I'm dead ass.
Speaker 4:We really need to run it up, I agree with you, no. I'm joking, for sure 100%.
Speaker 3:I need 65-7 each game I need. I need 65 to 7 each game I need.
Speaker 2:Bama was off this week so I wasn't really tripping.
Speaker 4:I need one of the running backs to have like a 5, 6 TD game something crazy I need.
Speaker 3:I need 350 yards on the ground. That's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying Like I don't think y'all throw it enough to score that many points.
Speaker 4:No, we throw it too much. We throw it too much, we need to run it. I mean, I'm just talking about.
Speaker 2:If you're trying to put up that many points like I mean very similar to a running game. You get six, seven, eight.
Speaker 3:I mean if you're getting big gashes how we should be able to get. I mean, we should be able to run all over Northwestern and Purdue.
Speaker 2:So like we should have 1, I don't think that's in question.
Speaker 4:Well, West may even got a stadium like this. I know we better not have no problems there. It's not a lot though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all should be able to handle that single-handedly.
Speaker 4:Man.
Speaker 2:But nonetheless, you know I ain't going to hold y'all. Let's jump in and up, okay. Anyway, we're going to start off with a little WNBA Nothing too crazy. We was talking about the coaches that got fired last week and we got a couple hires. We got Stephanie White for the Fever and then we got Tyler Marsh for the Chicago Sky. I didn't I mean, of course, we talked about Stephanie White last week leaving Connecticut Sun, but I didn't know much about Tyler Marsh. But apparently he won the championship with the Toronto Raptors in 2018 and 19 as an assistant video coordinator, didn't spend two seasons as player development with the Pacers, so somebody been around some protein, got some winning pedigree bring into Chicago Sky.
Speaker 3:Around some protein.
Speaker 2:Around some proteins. Oh, okay, I was going to say that, Not protein. I don't know what you're talking about right there. But yeah, man Was with the Toronto Raptors, was with the Pacers, so I mean we'll see what he can do in the WNBA.
Speaker 3:I wonder how his tech compares to that of you know other situations.
Speaker 2:Hmm, that's, that's interesting. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know. They don't really release contracts like that in WNBA. You don't really release contracts like that in WNBA. You don't really hear what people make, especially like coaches. You just hear somebody got hired. They don't really put the money out there like they do, like in college, or even the pros and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:I mean, the players is making $75,000, $80,000. Buddy probably making $45,000.
Speaker 4:They don't get paid like they do so that's probably why they don't put the information out like that, because they don't get paid like that there. So that's probably why they don't put the information out like that, because they don't really get paid.
Speaker 2:I mean, but to leave. I mean, what was he making as a player development coach with the Pacers?
Speaker 3:Right, I don't know. Hopefully more than 45.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. To leave that to go to, I mean somewhere less, unless you're just trying to get your foot in the door.
Speaker 3:I'm capping. Wnba coaches make like half a million and up. They make more than players.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool, glad we figured that out. Now, that was a great question, because you never hear about the money. Really, you don't hear about nobody's money in WNBA, I guess when it's not that much.
Speaker 3:it ain't really much to talk about Nate Tibbitt, highest paid WNBA coach of 2024 reported salary over a million dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that could be like 1.2,. You know what I mean. Yeah, that's decent. I mean not when you got like pro coaches making 13,. You know what I mean. Nba men like 13,. You know what I mean. Some crazy numbers. And we don't even want to talk NFL. They give ridiculous money. And of course, we talked about Stephanie White coming in now with the fever. I think that'd be a good fit. She played at Purdue, played for the fever early in her career, only winning coach to get fired To bring in a winning coach.
Speaker 2:They let her go. Oh wow. They brought her away October 28th. They just outed her. In two seasons she was 62 and 32. That's crazy. I think it would be great pulling somebody in, like I said, from the state, who's been a part of the team before and has a great coaching record right now.
Speaker 3:Did you notice? She used to coach the Fever too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's nuts, yeah, so I think it would be a good fit. I mean, like I said, somebody who's been in the league and been around the team before, and then a lot of adjustments going on, so yeah, but yeah, those are the only two right now. There's still five vacancies, so nobody else has filled any spots. A couple of GMs got hired Indiana Fever. They fired Lynn Dunn and brought in Amber Cox.
Speaker 3:Didn't know that either, how I live here and not know that Lynn Dunn got fired.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think she got fired, they just brought in someone else for the role. I think she's still around the team, because it was the same day, it wasn't like no space in between. So yeah, so she was Cox's the chief operating officer and GM, previously serving as a COO, as a Dallas Wings. So yeah, she moves from a GM to a Dallas Wings. So yeah, she moves from a GM to a senior advisor roles Dunn does. So it's not like she just got outed, but yeah. But yeah, man, that's all we got with WNBA. Little NBA news. Man. What do y'all think about Lakers sending Bronny to the G League affiliate?
Speaker 4:I thought it should have happened earlier. I mean it just started.
Speaker 3:John Jesus, there wasn't no G League a week ago. Last week it just started. Get a mask, baby.
Speaker 1:It's grace.
Speaker 2:It said he'll be on the team. He'll be on the roster for Friday game against Philly and then rejoin South Bay team. So I think he's just going to go back and right and it says he's only going to play in home games as he's shuttled between the Lakers and South Bay.
Speaker 3:No, but I think he's, I mean, clearly he's, I mean it's really. It's stressful watching him play, because I mean the guy doesn't even really look like he's trying. It's almost like he just gets the furthest away from the ball as possible. It's really weird, but I mean that's, I guess, what he needs. I mean, if he wants to get better and improve and actually kill for once in his life, I mean shit, it's the best option.
Speaker 2:And it's good to play against other guys in your age range. You know what I mean with NBA talent. You know what I mean who has that hunger and that fight to try to make it to the league too.
Speaker 3:So maybe it will. I just don't even really believe in the G League because it's just like if you're not good enough to be in the NBA, you need to go sell insurance or something, in my opinion, like.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but sometimes some guys need some more time to develop. What do you think?
Speaker 3:I guess you do get some killers out of the G League, but man not enough in my life.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think some guys just start. You know, some guys blossom late, Just like in the NFL. Some guys just blossom late, and I think the same thing can happen, you know, for guys in the NBA.
Speaker 4:I think it's a perfect time for Bronny to really make some distance between him and his father. What I mean by that is it's hard. It's been hard I don't care what anybody says Like. I've had this conversation with a couple other people and they were just like oh you know, bronny should just ride the coattail, he should. You know, he's with his dad and he shouldn't even have to, he shouldn't even worry about this, that and yada, yada, yada, yada.
Speaker 4:I was like at the end of the day, he's still a competitor. He's still going to want to make his own name eventually. You know, obviously LeBron's there, so obviously there's a big shadow there that you know in LA. But at the same time, I think this is a good opportunity for him to start making his own thing. If he's really that tough which I believe he can be this is the time to do it. Do it in the G League, literally ball out, be like hey man, why don't we see you to the G League man? Because you really like doing your thing, this is the time for you to make your name. It's harder to do that when you got LeBron shadowing over you in the LA Laker uniform.
Speaker 3:So I definitely agree with that I agree with that also.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just don't. I just don't even understand really what the objective for him is, because, I mean, he's not really big. Like, why is he playing off the ball? It's almost like with it's with. I ain't gonna say lack of skill, but just lack of what we've seen as great basketball from him. Like, why is he not like picking up the point guard on defense and trying to run the show on offense? I just don't understand. He hasn't shown that he can be that awesome two guard. I mean, he's not even aggressive enough to be a two guard.
Speaker 2:But I think the I think he's more of a 3 and D guy I look at like KCP and people like that. That's just why I see him right now.
Speaker 3:Because, like you said, you don't have to have the Boy.
Speaker 2:Flato Ronnie is not going to shoot unless, like the world is, coming to him, not like not this early in his career where he's just really just trying to figure it out. I don't see him just firing up shots.
Speaker 3:He didn't really do it in high school.
Speaker 1:He didn't do it in college.
Speaker 3:I've never seen him do it. So it's just like I don't understand what the vision is for Bronny. Like, when the coaching staff sits down and even LeBron sits down, it's just like what are you trying to? What is his like? I don't get it, because to be a 3 and D guy you got to shoot Like and he doesn't shoot the ball. So it's just like I mean, if I'm LeBron James Jr bro and I get on the court, that boy's going in the air.
Speaker 4:Oh for letting it fly. I have no reason to do that Immediately. It's going in the air. I have no reason to not let it fly, ronnie, he won't.
Speaker 2:He? Yeah, I don't know. So I mean, let's see. I mean all eyes are going to be on him, of course, forever and ever, amen, especially in the G League. And hey, sometimes, like you said, you got to take a step back to move forward. You know, and it's like I said, that shadow is huge, it's the biggest shadow in the league. I'm telling you, bro, so to be behind that, you know what I mean with that name. Like it's a confidence thing too. It's like do you really want to mess up? Like the headlines is ridiculous. Like everything you do is a headline. Your first two points was a headline. Like you know what I mean. Like everything.
Speaker 3:Right, Then go crazy in high school. Then he didn't go crazy in high school, either Like go crazy high school, then he didn't go crazy in high school either. Go crazy, but he just won't do it. So I mean, I don't really know. Of course everybody knows that more than anything, I want to see dudes succeed. I just don't see it. I don't even see the, I don't even see the effort. Really, it's just like I don't know man, I don't know man, I don't know. No, I agree.
Speaker 2:And it's early. Like I said, it's early. Let's just see, you know, as time goes on and maybe he'll develop a role. You know what I mean. Who knows? Because it's a new coach too. I mean it's JJ Reddick. He's a brand new coach too, so who knows what? He's still trying to figure everything out, yeah.
Speaker 3:To be a 3 and D guy, you got to be hunting threes 3 and D guys. They hunt threes. Yeah, they're out there seeking opportunities to shoot threes. So you can't even say that if you ain't, if that's not what you're doing, you can't even say you're a 3 and D guy. So I just don't know what the vision is. Yeah, I don't get it. We'll see Makes sense.
Speaker 2:Nonetheless, let's jump over to these power rankers. Right now, with it being early in the NFL, I mean NFL, ah, nba. Right now you got the Boston Celtics at one, don't laugh at me. Oklahoma City at two, timberwolves at three, knicks at four, dallas at five, 76ers at six, denver numbers at seven, milwaukee Bucks at eight, pacers at nine, Cleveland at ten. So that's the top ten. I'm not going to name all of these.
Speaker 4:Say that ten again.
Speaker 2:Cleveland Cavaliers they nine, and oh, right now.
Speaker 4:Well, I know that, but say the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 2:They 9-0 right now. Well, I know that but. Cleveland.
Speaker 4:Cavaliers yeah, one more time, I'm sorry. I feel like you.
Speaker 2:Nevermind Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 4:No, not the Cavaliers, I'm okay with them.
Speaker 2:Pacers at 9, milwaukee at 8, denver at 7. Philly at 6.
Speaker 4:Philly at six, philly at six. That's why I had to listen. I was like hold up what are?
Speaker 2:we doing. I didn't make this I don't know why. I don't know. That's what I'm like. That's why I was listening. I was just looking.
Speaker 4:That's why I was telling him to repeat it, jared, because I was like hold up Something's not. I was like we got a feeling in there but we ain't even got. Oh, I clicked on the wrong thing.
Speaker 2:This is the postseason, okay. Oh boy, I was going to say I was going to say, okay, okay, I see, I see I clicked on the wrong one.
Speaker 3:You got the best team in the league. My bad Phoenix Oklahoma what are we doing?
Speaker 2:Boston number one, 7-1. Oklahoma City Thunder 7-0. Cleveland 3 at 8-0. This isn't updated, by the way. Phoenix at 6-1. Golden State at 6-1. Dallas at 4-3. New York at 3-3. Timberwolves at 4-3. Lakers at 4-3. Memphis at 4-4. So that's the top ten.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see the Lakers is 4-4. Don't get me started.
Speaker 4:Warriors is 7-1 now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Warriors haven't played no damn body though, bro, but Boston, that's their first real game.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's true, but they got Cleveland coming up tomorrow. They got OKC coming up November 10th. They got Dallas coming up. Their next four games are going to be tough, so that'll really see if that separates them, see what they'll fail. Yeah, shoot the Lakers. I mean they got some push-ups. I mean they got Philly and Toronto coming up so they should win both of those games Now with them. They're every starter on the Sixers being hurt right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just seen that Maxie's out a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:He's going to be out a few weeks too. Yeah, I just seen that Maxie's out a couple weeks. Yeah, he's going to be out a few weeks too. Yeah, with a hamstring. So, yeah, jump over to college football man, week 11. This man, huh, okay. So last week we were talking I almost want to start it off like this. Last week we were talking about Colorado. Want to start it off like this. Last week we were talking About Colorado possibilities and how they could get in, and we were talking about who had to lose In order for this to happen. And I'll be John Brown. What freaking happened. We were literally sitting here. We probably took a good 10 minutes, solid 10 minutes, discussing on how Colorado could make it, and then it started falling into place as far as the Big 12. We were talking about Kansas State how they had to lose. We were talking about who else we were talking about had to lose Utah, so like, and Iowa State, what would have to happen. So right now, colorado is third in the conference.
Speaker 4:They're 4-1. You caught that one didn't you?
Speaker 2:They're right behind BYU and Iowa State. That's funny, Especially with like. I said Kansas State losing. Yeah, so they're right there to get in. Man, they're 20th right now. Yep, Like I said, second in the Big 12. It's going to be tough. They got Texas Tech coming up, Utah, Kansas State and Oklahoma State. If they win out, they could be in, especially when Iowa and Kansas State have to play each other. If Kansas State wins, puts Iowa at 4-2 and Colorado ends the season undefeated, then they definitely will make it in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they just need a conference championship. They get that day off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they will play. Because BYU, they got a pushover schedule, I mean outside of Utah this week, just because Utah and it's at Utah and Utah usually play tough at home. But outside of that they got Kansas, arizona State and Houston to finish out the season. They could very well go undefeated, even with a one loss. If them and Colorado play for the Big 12 championship, I think of course the winner is automatically in. But a two loss colorado um with already, with already beaten kansas state, I think they could still get in possibly at a 12.
Speaker 4:It's gonna be tough, it's gonna be. I think there's gonna be a lot of two lost teams. Um, that's dangerous ground, man. Like one loss. You could, you, you can, you can pretty much kind of be like yeah, I'm probably set, but that's two losses.
Speaker 3:They say you can get in with two, but you know what's the crazy part about it, John. I think what affected that is the conference realignment. Yeah, yeah, it's like Yep, because it's like one loss will get you in, because you only plan you might play one. Keep it real. Ohio State has went through some seasons where we ain't played nobody the whole entire season.
Speaker 2:That's true, because the Big Ten was just it just wasn't what it was.
Speaker 3:That's not the case anymore. So it's almost like, yeah, one loss would kill you, but now two losses. If we lose again, we're in trouble.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying, because there's so many one-loss Big Ten teams. That's what I'm saying. There's too many decisions to make, at that, you know. One and two loss mark.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking oh yeah, previous years I mean, if we could get like two losses. I mean, are we in there. Because I mean we could lose two garbage games and still make it. But now it's like with the conference, like it is two games you're probably done. So they expanded it to 12, and you're still on the ropes, even with two losses.
Speaker 4:Because it's just too many choices.
Speaker 3:It's just too many teams and the conference is just too big, Like we might play the number one team twice in the season and then might have to play them again in the next time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely and they might have to play them again in the time it's crucial?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm trying to pull it. Okay, here we go Right now. That's not it. No, I had this pulled up. They were just talking about teams. That was on the bubble, just with a lot of the two-loss teams and things of that nature. Gosh, I had this. I had this pulled up, but nonetheless, just looking at the, just looking at the culture poll, I don't think that two-loss thing y'all was talking about is going to fly, because if you look, the top two loss team right now is Alabama. They at 11 right now. But you look at Texas A&M who they play coming up?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They get Texas at the end of the year and they just lost to South Carolina. How many losses they got? They got two, like I said, one of them being a South carolina who isn't ranked and one of them being the notre dame. Of course, notre dame is ranked seven and they're gonna lose texas anyway, so that's what I'm saying they're probably gonna lose to texas.
Speaker 2:And then you look at another two loss. The next two loss team after that is lsu, which they play alabama this week. So if alab wins that, this is almost an elimination game, whoever loses this game will not be in the playoff. So, yeah, they get Alabama, but then they get Florida, vanderbilt and Oklahoma, and they could very well lose to.
Speaker 2:Vanderbilt the way they've been playing Two loss team after that Ole Miss. Like I said, they got Georgia next. So they got Georgia Saturday. But if they beat Georgia, put Georgia at two losses. If Georgia has an Ole Miss loss and an Alabama loss, where does that put them? Y'all think?
Speaker 3:Ole Miss loss and Alabama loss. It's tough man.
Speaker 2:Now you're not going to be the top seed in the SEC.
Speaker 4:This is what I said the 12 teams. It just made it. It's nice because you get to have more football, obviously, but it's really tough for that committee. I feel like they've made it harder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because you lose the Ole Miss. That puts, let's say, because right now at the top of the SEC you got Georgia at 7-1, Texas A&M at 7-2, Tennessee at 7-1, Texas at 7-1, LSU at 6-2. So if you lose to Georgia, if Georgia loses, that puts them at 7-2. Let's say Texas A&M lose to Texas, that had them at three losses, so that bumps them down. And Tennessee, let's see who they play left. They play Georgia in two weeks. So let's say Georgia wins, that that puts them at seven and two Texas it'd be probably the only one-loss team. So that puts them at the top of the SEC. And who plays them for the championship? If you got all these SEC teams with two losses that's what I'm saying you can't put Alabama there. I mean you can't put Georgia there because they lost to Alabama and Ole Miss. That's two conference losses, so they won't be there. I mean you can't put Georgia there because they lost to Alabama and Ole Miss. That's two conference losses, so you can't, they won't be there.
Speaker 4:If it came down between those two, they would probably put Georgia on, because Georgia was the one to beat Alabama, even though they may have both lost. And what I think they're going to do, though, is y'all got to remember, because that's how they're going to start scoring, they're just going to start seeing the head-to-head at that point, right, but that's what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying you don't think they would just take the highest-rated team, because that's the thing about rankings Once you rank a set of teams, it's no longer subjective, it is what it is, you got a two-loss. Sec team that's ranked number three.
Speaker 4:You got a two-loss SEC't. I just really don't know how much weight it holds. I feel like they they care more about the wins, the losses, the like, the how you loss they definitely score that for sure. The how you wins, and then also the schedule too. I don't know if the rating is strong enough, because I even know even in past years, even with Ohio State, we've had higher rankings but we've got shifted because, well, this team had this, that and the other.
Speaker 3:We've came out of one a few years. We've probably had the most number one rank overall. What am I trying to say? We've had the most number one rankings to fall without losing, probably in the history of rankings. We know all about that they used to try to. Even before the college football playoff, they used to seek out reasons to drop ohio state.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm like. I don't really know how much the way.
Speaker 3:It's really all the way yeah, it ain't been wrong though we've been getting. I mean, that's true that you can't really even know, that that's true.
Speaker 4:That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3:And maybe they know something.
Speaker 2:Nah absolutely.
Speaker 3:I feel like any other team that would have had the quarterbacks that we had, bro, they'd have more chips.
Speaker 4:Bro easily.
Speaker 3:Like Braxton Miller, bro JT Barrett, like Haskins Stroud Justin Fields. We have had. We got one, bro JT Barrett, like Haskins Stroud Justin Fields.
Speaker 4:We have had.
Speaker 3:We got one First ring One ring and none of those guys that I mentioned were the actual quarterback 100%, 100%.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I just look at this SEC man.
Speaker 2:It's just a gauntlet though, bro. Like, all these teams are good teams that's been ranked and are ranked right now. Like you look at Alabama, ole Miss, lsu, Texas, tennessee, texas, a&m and Georgia. Like all of them ranked. Like, if they start beating each other towards the end of the season. Like, and you sitting there with five SEC two-loss teams and they all unbeat each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's going to get spooky, but then at that point it's just going to go to whose ranked eyes that's probably true too.
Speaker 2:Like you said, strength of schedule. And then, because they count points too in the AP, the points may separate them. All right, cool. How much have you been putting up? You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:It's got to be something, because those records ain't going to matter too much longer. I mean, you got it.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying y'all, we still got the playoff committee that's still going to rank these teams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we're going to know. It's not going to be a ranking order, just like always, so yeah but I'm thinking, but I think I'm talking about that ranking order, like, like you said, how the committee is gonna look at that and be like they're gonna look at the same way.
Speaker 3:They have been like strength of schedule, oh, strength of schedule, uh, who you be, who you lost to, um, what like were your losses on the road? Like who they against, things like that. I mean same stuff.
Speaker 3:It's just gonna be 12, 12 teams now yeah I actually don't like the idea of the maybe the automatic bid for the conference winner, but I don't like the automatic buy in the home game, like that's trash. Yeah, because like, for instance, we're ranked number two in the polls, but in the terms of the college, if the college football season ended today, we'd be like six or something like that, because the first will like five or something like that, because the first four go to conference champion winner, championship winner. I don't really like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we would play well according. To.
Speaker 2:But I think that kind of puts, I mean, because we're talking about the champ, the conference championships not matter. I think that kind of makes them matter. They're trying to make. Yeah, yeah, that's because then that gives you a guaranteed bid and it gives you a home game and that I actually thought about.
Speaker 3:I can't remember what I was doing earlier, but I, when I was thinking about the show, I thought about that and I was like I, because I remember I was on the whole, I mean to hell with it. But I mean, I still knew that it was a first-round buy, but I guess it just didn't hit like I thought it would. I'm just like, well, damn, ah, bye, thanks, man.
Speaker 2:So I uh, so I look, I mean because again like in the Big Ten, like if Indiana and Oregon go undefeated, like that's a Big Ten championship right there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, you know what I mean. So.
Speaker 2:Ohio State, like you said, automatically gets bumped to like fifth.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's without another loss you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:The only saving grace for us is that if IU beats us, IU's going to be top four or five, so we're going to be sitting there with two losses. I think we'll be the first at-large two-loss team at that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, no, absolutely. Just because strength is good. I mean, like you said just.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll probably be the very first them and Alabama.
Speaker 2:If Alabama wins out, they'll be yeah, no, absolutely, Like you said, just going against Oregon and Indiana, like if those are your two losses and those are the undefeated teams.
Speaker 3:Yeah, especially if that Big Ten championship game is crazy, like yeah, we got to be IU bro.
Speaker 2:That's what's going to get y'all in the playoffs. I mean not in the playoffs, but in the championship.
Speaker 4:I was going to finish saying it. I was going to finish saying it.
Speaker 1:I'm not even going to deal with it.
Speaker 3:I'm not even joking, I'm not even going to be able to deal with it. That shit might be worse than this, never mind.
Speaker 2:Do not start that Do not start. Do not start. We're good. We're good. He ain't lying. What's understood does not have to be explained.
Speaker 4:He's not lying. He's not lying, not at all.
Speaker 2:Not at all, but let's just leave that where it is. That's crazy. That's crazy, yeah, because chances are Oregon's going to win out. They have a week schedule. Penn State's schedule is weak the rest of its week.
Speaker 3:That's another reason why I'm not so excited about that win, because they're fraudulent man. We knew going into that game that they were weak. I did.
Speaker 4:I did too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again, I mean, this is what you got to go through, unfortunately, in the Big Ten right now. But let's see, I think we already talked about the Big 12. We talked about the Big Ten, we talked about the SEC. Shoot, that's really it, man. Notre Dame is going to be an outlier. They're automatically probably going to get in if they don't lose another game. But they got Army coming up second to last game and USC.
Speaker 3:Didn't they just beat Army? No?
Speaker 2:they just beat Navy, they destroyed Navy.
Speaker 3:They always play on both of these. Yeah, navy, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially with them being independent. They don't have that conference championship, so there's no way they can even get a bye ever. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:You know they wish they had won that game against Northern Illinois, because they were top five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they would for sure be top five. Oh yeah, no, and they're 10th right now. So I mean they're still hovering around, but I don't think you can outside of them, getting another loss like they're going to. You just keep them in that bottom 10 because there's no way they can get a conference championship, even being top five, or even two and one, like they still wouldn't get a bye, because you still have to win a conference championship.
Speaker 3:Definitely taking a two-loss SEC team over Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:Absolutely With their schedule. Their schedule is like One-loss Notre Dame school.
Speaker 3:Let me clarify.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Even one loss, I would take a two-loss Texas A&M. I would take a two-loss LSU or a two loss Ole Miss. So yeah, no, I'm with you on that. Um, but yeah, man, everything else is pretty bad. College football um, let's talk about the games coming up this week. Man, like I said, the Alabama LSU game is night game. Um, like I said, the Alabama LSU game is night game. Like I said, that's probably an elimination game. Whoever loses that is not going to be in the playoff and definitely not going to compete for the championship. Ohio State to take care of business against Purdue. Miami should beat Georgia Tech, but Georgia Tech been playing tough.
Speaker 4:I want you to look out for that Texas-Florida game. Yeah, Florida. I'm you to look out for that Texas-Florida game. Yeah, florida. I'm going to tell you why Because those are the only teams that like. Because if you even see last week when they played, because Florida played, who did they play last week?
Speaker 2:Who did Florida play last week?
Speaker 4:I can tell you right now they played Georgia, they played Georgia, but they played them tough for a little while. Obviously, georgia took off eventually and they be taking off boy.
Speaker 2:In the second half.
Speaker 3:It'll be like 10-13 with like six minutes to go in the first and then they'll just end the game. They took off, they took off.
Speaker 2:Florida was up at halftime 13-6. And then Georgia scored 14 in the third and 14 in the fourth, florida didn't 14 in the third and 14 in the fourth. Florida didn't score in the third and they only scored a touchdown in it, but Georgia is top tier. Obviously that's like putting them over to the side, but Carson Beck threw three picks Like there's no way you shouldn't be able to win that game. No way, Three picks.
Speaker 4:But that just shows how tough Georgia is. Florida Texas yeah, no, I'm saying Texas is not Georgia, that's my point, okay, so I think that would be a good one to watch as well too.
Speaker 2:Okay, respect that. Georgia, ole Miss. This is going to be an important game too, with Ole Miss at 16, georgia at three. Georgia just can't afford to lose right now, like that's really gonna put them, make them questionable for the SEC championship. If they want that, buy in their home game like they gotta. They gotta take care of business. But again, ole Miss has been playing very well. I mean Dart, one of the top QBs in the nation, that running back, one of the top running backs in, they've been playing very good. I predict Indiana take care of Michigan, iowa State and Kansas. Iowa should take care of that. Clemson and Virginia Tech Another thing Clemson's trying to get in that ACC championship game. They got to beat Virginia Tech Army and North Texas Colorado, texas Tech. Colorado can't lose any more games. If our prediction comes true, they gotta win out. Because we were saying, did we think that they're trying to get Colorado into the playoff and their path just completely just
Speaker 1:opened up.
Speaker 4:You know the NCAA people trying to make that happen. It's funny boy.
Speaker 2:But like the odds of Kansas State losing, like that was just crazy. Oregon and Maryland, tennessee and Mississippi nothing to really talk about there. Notre Dame, florida State, that should be easy. Missouri, oklahoma, penn State and Washington Easy work. Like I said, easy work. Boise State and Nevada. Byu and Utah. Like I said, that's probably another game to look out for, just because, like I said, utah is at home but BYU can't. They can lose because they're undefeated right now. So one loss to BYU. I think they still make it in as far as the Big 12 championship. And then you got Washington State at Utah State. But yeah, those top games, the Texas-Florida, miami-georgia Tech, alabama-lsu, those are the important games. I think that's going to start separating Miami, georgia Tech, alabama LSU.
Speaker 2:Those are the important games.
Speaker 3:I think that's going to start separating Alabama and LSU.
Speaker 2:That's the only nation.
Speaker 3:Whoever loses, that is done.
Speaker 2:But that's also a night game and that's in the bayou, so we already know how tough it is to play them at night. So Alabama got to really put their best foot forward. All right, yeah, man. Anything else about college football, man? Anything that we missed?
Speaker 4:I just know we better not have no trouble.
Speaker 3:We got two warm-up, two layups, two warm-up games. Man, we out there like trying to go crazy.
Speaker 4:We better not have no problems at 12 o'clock on Saturday.
Speaker 3:I don't want to see no three and outs.
Speaker 4:By 1230,. We better be up Exactly by 20, plus Easy.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, man that look like a hole man.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2:Damn that look like a hole. Alright, well, let's jump over to the, to the grown man's league real quick. Talk a little NFL. I just want to. I mean, ain't nothing too crazy going on In NFL right now, but I just want to talk about Some mid-season NFL right now. But I just want to talk about some midseason awards right now. Who do y'all think is just really standing out right now?
Speaker 4:I know y'all talked about AR last week. Right, we did talk about AR.
Speaker 2:That's what happens when you skip weeks. John, you could just be here every week.
Speaker 4:I could, man, but I got other stuff going on. I'm trying to get there, I'm trying to get there. We, I could man, but I got other stuff going on, I'm trying to get there.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to get there. All right, man, look man, hey look, we got a lot of season left. Man, I'm trying to get there. But yeah, we talked about AR being benched last week. That's crazy to me, yeah, but again, it's what direction do you want to go? Like we said, he kind of he gave up on the team, even though it was one play, it don't matter, and then he's not particularly playing well. And, like I said, do you want to waste the talent that you've paid on the team to try to, for a developmental year, an AR, or do you want to try to at least make the playoffs this year?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can make the playoffs with the South. I said at least try.
Speaker 2:I mean you ain't got to win the South to make it. I mean really you're chasing probably Pittsburgh Shoot. That's really it right now, if I pull up the standings right now you got Buffalo winning the AFC East. You got the Steelers and the Ravens tied right now. Well, you got the Steelers numberings right now. You got Buffalo winning the AFC East. You got the Steelers and the Ravens tied right. Well, you got the Steelers number one right now. Baltimore six and three. I mean we have four and five Like Houston six and three. Kansas.
Speaker 4:City eight and oh, you have a path. That's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying I mean there's a path there. Why is it we chasing the Chargers or the Broncos right now? Yeah, and our schedule is not crazy coming up. I mean the next couple games are we get the Bills, the Jets and the Lions, but after that I mean Patriots. I mean hopefully we can beat the Jets, hopefully they just don't catch their stride. If we can beat the Jets, the Lions and, like I said, the Lions and the Bills would be tough but Patriots, broncos, titans, giants and Jaguars to finish out the season, there's definitely a path there. We just got to rally right now. But again, midseason awards, man Coach of the year right now. Who do y'all see as coach of the year?
Speaker 3:Stan Quinn.
Speaker 2:What about you, fitz I?
Speaker 4:would agree with that. I would definitely agree with that, either him or Freaking oh boy from Kansas City, because they undefeated still.
Speaker 3:Sandy Reed. Yeah, I mean, you could even look at Dan Campbell, you know.
Speaker 2:I look at Kevin O'Connell With the Vikings too. That's a good one too, yeah, because they I mean the way he's done with just you know, with just like I said, just dropping quarterbacks in, and even if you look back to last year how he performed with like four different quarterbacks um, take that too. And mike tomlin, yeah, the steelers, I mean switching quarterbacks, like the way that defense is playing the offense, starting to kind of pick it up and figure it out.
Speaker 4:I don't think he really gets the respect that he deserves.
Speaker 2:No, because he's just been good for so long.
Speaker 4:It's hard to kind of put him in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy Defensive rookie.
Speaker 3:Well, we know it's not anybody from the Bengals. What?
Speaker 2:about Mitchell from the Eagles.
Speaker 3:Mitchell from the Eagles.
Speaker 2:Cornerback Quinn Young Mitchell.
Speaker 3:Where did he go to college?
Speaker 2:Where did he go to college? That is a great question. I'll find that out right now. He went to college. Where did he go to college? That is a great question, I'll find that out right now.
Speaker 3:He went to college in Toledo. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do remember. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a dog. You know what? I didn't really watch too much of him to know. Really, I'd have to Sick past offended.
Speaker 2:Pretty much locked down. Nobody really throws his away from what I'm have to Six pass defended. Pretty much locked down. Nobody really throws his away from what I'm looking at. You got any picks, no picks, no picks, no forced fumbles. But again, when the ball ain't coming your way that often especially, as a rookie most of the time rookies get tried a lot. True statement, so True statement. Jared Verse From the Rams. He's an edge rusher.
Speaker 3:I haven't heard too much about any of the defensive rookies, so yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:I don't know 33 tackles as an edge rusher.
Speaker 4:That's good numbers.
Speaker 2:Like I said, especially for an edge and then a corner From Bishop Junior, from the Steelers.
Speaker 1:He got three.
Speaker 2:He got three picks. He's tied for six in the league in picks.
Speaker 3:Man who's first if he got three in the six?
Speaker 2:Find that out too. Thanks, damn, if it'll let me Find that out too. Thanks.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:If it'll let me, it won't, let me it won't, let me click on it.
Speaker 3:Who got more than three picks in the league. That's nuts as well.
Speaker 2:Let's see Interceptions right now. Xavier McKinney at Green Bay has six.
Speaker 3:Damn.
Speaker 1:Kirby.
Speaker 2:Joseph from Detroit has six, Marlon Humphries has four he got two in one game. Jalen McCullough, he got four. And Brian Branch from Detroit has four Damn. So you got two people tied for first and then three people tied for third. Technically All right, Shit Shoot. I mean Deion Jackson, he got from Pitt, he got three. Imani Hooker there's a lot of people with three.
Speaker 3:I don't think anybody from the Bengals has more than one. I don't think.
Speaker 2:Nope, I don't see nobody in the top 35 for the Bengals. No, but yeah, so Nah. 35 for the Bengals.
Speaker 3:No, but yeah, so nah, man they out here how you getting snagged on by a tight end. I mean, come on, bro, when your corners can't cover a tight end, bro, there's something wrong. He did just. You can't go on it, but that's also.
Speaker 4:Mark Andrews probably one.
Speaker 2:There's something wrong. He did just. He did just like no, that's a tight, you can't guard it. But that's also Mark Andrews probably one of the top 10.
Speaker 3:You don't care what, I do not care, bro, you can't put a corner on.
Speaker 2:That's like putting a corner on like Travis Kelsey or like Bosa.
Speaker 3:Do you have to lock him down Corners? Do you have to lock him down too? No, they too big bro. Yeah right, no, but no, if you saw the play, it wasn't about.
Speaker 2:No, I seen it. I seen it was across.
Speaker 4:First off, it was across the route he got snagged on Like why are you that faster than the tight end? Yeah, he just outran him. That's how that was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bro.
Speaker 2:That's a defense. The route is hard to cover Like come on, bro, it's just not any tight end.
Speaker 3:Is he like a blazer out there? Like is he? No, but he's a top tight end in the league. He's not fast though, bro. You shouldn't be able to outrun a damn DB. Oh my god, you shouldn't be able to outrun a damn DB and be outran by Mark Andrews. I don't give a shit how good he is, how many passes he catch. You can't get outran by Mark Andrews. That's ridiculous, bro.
Speaker 4:What a run.
Speaker 2:All right, man, Offensive rookies man.
Speaker 4:Brock Byers. I got Brock Byers, no, no.
Speaker 2:I take that back. No, not for me.
Speaker 4:I got J Daniels. Yeah, I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like hold up I think J Daniels, I to have a bad line by far.
Speaker 2:A bad line we don't have to put. But Brock Byers is having a good. What is 55 doing?
Speaker 3:I can't deal, you can't deal, I can't.
Speaker 2:See, this is why we can't do the game on Thursday. I understand, because we all watching today.
Speaker 3:We all usually be chilling during these games, but I mean my guys is on, so that kind of makes it a little different for these guys.
Speaker 2:What about defensive player of the year? This is something you could talk about. What about Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3:You don't think he should be in the running? Nah, he's ass.
Speaker 2:This man got 11 sacks.
Speaker 3:What the fuck. If you got 11 sacks and you have 12 positive plays all year, then what? That's funny, dang Wow.
Speaker 4:You say defensive player of the year.
Speaker 3:If you got 11 sacks but you have 12 positive reps all year, then what? What are you doing in the run game?
Speaker 2:He has 22 Qb hits.
Speaker 3:That's five more than anybody what are you doing in the run game?
Speaker 2:he's. He's tied for 11 tackles for loss, which is second, and win rate like I mean, what do you want from an edge rusher?
Speaker 3:I want him to play, I want him to get good reps, I want to be able to see him dominating that's not, I don't know. Yes or no? Are you watching the Bengals games or no? Yes or no? Just answer that, yes or no?
Speaker 4:I don't watch them all. They're not all of them. I can't say nothing about it. Watch one and get back to me, that man does have a lot of sex, though Watch a game and get back to me that man does have 11 sacks, though.
Speaker 3:Watch a game and get back to me.
Speaker 2:I put it like this the games I have watched, that man was impacting the game. Okay, I don't know what you're looking at. Maybe because he doesn't stop to run enough, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Maybe he should be doing more. Is that the issue, jared?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought you'd get some third down sacks.
Speaker 2:Because I mean, I look at TJ Watt.
Speaker 3:TJ Watt is going to get the sacks when they need them.
Speaker 2:In eight games he only got six and a half.
Speaker 3:But that's because they're also shifting the people. He gets a lot of one-on-ones, bro, because if you look at the game, I can't remember which game it was. I talked about it last week, well that's because Alex Hyde Hold on hold on hold on when he had 13 one-on-ones against a backup left tackle.
Speaker 3:What'd he do? He got one pressure. So like if you're not watching the games you can't like bro like he got four attacks against the Raiders when we were up 30. Congratulations. Get the sacks when they matter, bro. Against a backup tackle. You know what I'm saying. In a game that we're losing, when we need to get stops, where are you? Where are you when the Bengals need to get stops? We had two games where we pretty much didn't force a punt all game Two. How are you a dominant edge? And at no point in the game your defense that you're the best player on can get a stop. You can't stop a rookie. The commanders didn't get stopped at all. There is nobody on that defense that needs to say anything about anything Like I don't want to hear anything.
Speaker 3:It is what it is, bro, Like watch the games.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. You watch them all, son. I can't even speculate.
Speaker 3:I'm watching all of them. That's all I'm going to say. Watch the games.
Speaker 4:But I would have to agree with Vernon too. The ones that I did saw he was impactful. Which ones are those?
Speaker 2:I mean they have to be primetime.
Speaker 4:I'm not in.
Speaker 2:Cincinnati. So I don't have league pass, so I'm not just cooking on Cincinnati.
Speaker 3:I'm watching all those games I ain't going to tell y'all how, but I see them all.
Speaker 2:You're not going to tell Okay.
Speaker 4:I got it too. I just don't watch them all.
Speaker 3:So too, I just don't watch them all. So yeah, I got it, because I mean, that's the same thing, john, that's the same thing, like somebody could say oh man, ohio State defense only gave up this amount of points.
Speaker 4:No, I totally understand.
Speaker 3:I get it, but we watch every down, so we know those corners suck.
Speaker 1:Is it going to look?
Speaker 4:like it with the stats?
Speaker 3:No, but we know every time a team challenges those corners, that team, said team, wins, yep. And it's been like that for years. Yeah, for years, all these number one, all these first round corners, we didn't put into the league.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Only one that's still kind of hanging on is homeboy in Cleveland.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 3:They've been garbage, but the stats say that these guys have been locking shit up.
Speaker 4:And they really haven't.
Speaker 3:Jeffrey Okuda, damon Arnett, them guys suck, but to everybody else that's not watching all these downs oh, these guys are great, we're going to draft them first round. Oh these guys are great. Garyon Conley, sean Wade. Do we need to go on and on, and on?
Speaker 4:I mean I get it.
Speaker 3:All these guys that was on these dominant-ass defenses that didn't give up any points, but they suck.
Speaker 4:They suck.
Speaker 3:Next up.
Speaker 2:So look at that. So the Kansas City game he had two sacks. Y'all lost by one. He had one sack. Against Washington Y'all lost by five. Y'all dominated Carolina he didn't have any. Y'all lost an OT to Baltimore, he didn't have any. The Giants y'all won 17-7. He had two. Cleveland y'all won 21-14. He had two Y'all lost to Philly. Y'all lost to Philly by 20. He didn't have any, and then y'all beat the Raiders and he had four.
Speaker 3:So I mean he's been productive in the games I won. Why are we still talking about this?
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to understand.
Speaker 3:I laid out the perfect scenario to kill this whole theory. You're still trying to prove me wrong.
Speaker 2:I just don't understand what you just said.
Speaker 3:I literally just said I gave the very perfect analogy, the perfect, perfect, perfect analogy.
Speaker 2:But that doesn't mean I just have to let it go. I'm putting it in the bed. Perfect analogy for your team, it is. But when I talk about the Colts, y'all don't just be like you got it because you watched the games. Y'all be like coach, like y'all don't just be like all right man, you got it because you watch the games, like y'all be like oh man no man, y'all quick to challenge me, are you?
Speaker 3:Say you swear to God. I don't say that's your team, you got it. I don't watch the games. Say you swear to God or swear to whoever.
Speaker 2:I swear to whoever.
Speaker 3:I always say that shit.
Speaker 2:What are you to? Whoever like so many debates?
Speaker 3:about the receivers, about the quarterback, about the defense, so many. I always say at the end of it but you, I don't watch them all. I even said that earlier in this conversation. Anything I don't watch, uh, like a lot of I ain't. When you said who's the defensive rookie of the year, what I say I don't really. I ain't really seen a whole lot of you know whatever. Well, I say that. So like don't, don't. Like I ain't really seen a whole lot of you know whatever. Well, I say that. So like don't like.
Speaker 2:Come on man, I'm just talking about when we're talking team to team. I get that, and I'm talking about my team and you're talking about your team when we're talking about?
Speaker 3:does Indianapolis Colts have a number one right receiver? They don't.
Speaker 2:They haven't in a minute. That's to you. They don't. That's to everybody. You don't even think Chase is the number one on your team, that's literally to everybody, like they don't have one. Okay, so who's again? Then, when I say what's the qualification of number one, nobody can tell me and we just throw out Justin Jefferson. He's the only solid number one in the league. Who said that? Because when we talk about chase, you say chase ain't worth number one money.
Speaker 3:I ain't said bro I've never said he wasn't worth number one money. So when he said he won a dollar more than justin jefferson, you say that was crazy, like yeah, but he number one money is not the number one ever. That's not the same thing like a number paid, like a number one receiver, and being paid the most ever is two completely different things, dog.
Speaker 2:The most ever by a receiver?
Speaker 3:I don't think he needs to have. Do I think he's the best receiver ever? Do I think he needs to be paid more than any receiver ever?
Speaker 2:No, so what does he deserve? So what's number one money then? Because right now $31 million, $30 million is number one money $25? $27?. Right there my point. You just said he doesn't deserve number one money. Right now, number one money is $30 million.
Speaker 3:So every team that has. So how much does the number one receiver for the Coast make then, Vernon?
Speaker 2:$30 million. Who makes $30? Million Mike Pittman just got read up.
Speaker 3:He don't make no fucking $30 million a season. Go look at.
Speaker 2:He just got 90 for three years man hell nah. Look, go check his contract. He just got an extension. Look at his total contract.
Speaker 3:I'm looking. Hold on, bro. Do you think he deserves that? While I'm looking this up.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying what number one money is.
Speaker 3:We're not talking about deserving, we're talking about what number one money is Every number one receiver in the league, on each individual team, is making 30 million is. We're not talking about deserving, we're talking about what number one money is. Every number one receiver in the league, on each individual team, is making $30 million. Is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:I'm saying when you re-up a number one, look at old boy in Philly, what he got at number one AJ Brown. When you're talking about these number one elite receivers, what are they doing? He?
Speaker 3:got three years $70 million. You don't even know your own team. Okay, but what's the year?
Speaker 2:That's not $30 million.
Speaker 3:That's not $30 million, vernon, look at the extension. I'm looking at it, bro. He just signed a three-year $70 million contract. Okay, what's the breakdown? That's a $20 million difference, like overall contract, bro. Okay, you're not looking at the details of the contract. I know for a fact that I knew he wasn't making no $30 million.
Speaker 2:Come on, bro. What's he making this year? He's making $18. And then what's he making the year after that?
Speaker 3:$23.
Speaker 2:And then what? And then he makes $29. Okay, so at no point he's making $30. No point he's making $30. So you just said Chase is worth $ 25, so he's not worth more than michael pitman. This nigga.
Speaker 3:Michael pitman's not worth this.
Speaker 2:Okay, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a season, okay so yeah, so number one money is 30 million again, unless you want to count, okay says who like that's not a fact, you're the league.
Speaker 3:You're making it up, says the league, every receiver on, like bro. There's not that many wide receivers making $30 million. That's not the standard, okay, but when you're talking about, but the highest paid is what like $34? What is CD making $34 a season?
Speaker 4:You said who.
Speaker 3:CD. Isn't he the highest paid receiver ever?
Speaker 4:I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I know he ain't making 40. And we've been said that, like I don't give a fuck if Michael Pittman Jr was making 20 a season, he ain't worth it. He ain't doing shit.
Speaker 2:That ain't even your legitimate number one receiver, and so Chase isn't, so Chase isn't worth it.
Speaker 3:Worth. How much Are we talking? I already said Justin Jefferson, right now is number one.
Speaker 1:Justin Jefferson is $110 million.
Speaker 2:CeeDee Lamb is $100 million. Aj Brown is $84 million. Aj Brown is $84 million. Dj Moore is worth it $81 million.
Speaker 3:No, I'm just saying I never mentioned DJ Moore. Okay, I don't even understand, Like I've never mentioned DJ Moore. No, I'm just and you know why I'm still a lot of these guys I'm going to say not worth it. I don't think CD Lamb is worth it. What is he doing? It's a bad example.
Speaker 2:It's just number one money. Like I said, number one money right now is roughly $30 million.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, how many receivers are making $30 million, vernon? If that's the standard, how?
Speaker 2:many receivers are making 30 million? Vernon, if that's, if that's number, that's the standard. How many? How many? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, cooper, I don't think that's a full amount. Tyreek uh, does the signing?
Speaker 4:bonus does the signing bonus count within a person's contract?
Speaker 3:I'm, yeah, I'm talking average. I'm talking about take the contract divided by the years, who's making an average of $30 million.
Speaker 4:But just the strict contract, not the signing bonus. Yeah, I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:He's just talking about average salary. So right now you look, Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4:If you're counting the signing bonus, then technically Pittman would be making $30 million a year, or $30 million a year Because he got like a $10 million. I'm talking about average contract. You're talking about the salary itself. He said that, michael.
Speaker 3:Pittman signed $90 million. I said no fucking way that he signed three years $90 million contract and I was right. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:No fucking way. So we got 10 receivers, making 30 plus. Probably DJ Mac can have two. How many?
Speaker 3:receivers. There's what, 32 teams yeah. But you would say the other 12 teams don't have a number one.
Speaker 2:I mean by your standards.
Speaker 3:no, no, but I'm talking about yours. You said number one money for number one, and by number one to be clear, number one means number one receiver on the team, right? That's what I'm talking about. So there should be. If 30 million is number one money, there should be 30 million dollar receiver on every single team, or at least three quarters of the team. There's not even 30 million dollar receiver on half the teams.
Speaker 2:So 30 million dollars a season is not the standard, but a lot of these, but a lot, but a lot of these guys are on on rookie deals and getting extensions. So we're not talking about we're talking about full contracts. So again like, even though don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3:I am acknowledging that stuff is just going up. But, yeah, people are just going to keep paying all this money. They just keep losing, like the Dallas Cowboys and I'm not even a Dallas Cowboys hater. I actually want to see Dallas Cowboys win because I think they get a lot more hate than they deserve. I personally don't ever hear Dallas Cowboys fans talking crazy. I've never heard a Dallas Cowboys, never, ever, ever seen an obnoxious Dallas Cowboys fan. So never, ever, ever seen an obnoxious dallas cowboy fan.
Speaker 2:So I don't I don't even know where the hate comes from, but they've made they talk more crazy about themselves.
Speaker 3:They've made two stupid financial decisions. Am I paying back 50 million cd bro, y'all can go. I'll go to lsu, get me a receiver from there. I'll rock with cooper rush or I'm not going. And even if we, if y'all like, oh well, cooper Rush, and if you got a rookie out of, or if you was to get Brian Thomas Jr out of LSU, you would still lose, nigga. They losing now Paying niggas a billion dollars, like I'd rather lose with hungry guys that's making a little bit of nothing, than losing with guys that are making a billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2:That's a bingo's mindset, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:All right, move on, man, just say it so you'd rather lose with paying guys crazy money than lose with hungry guys that are on lower salaries.
Speaker 2:It depends. What do you consider?
Speaker 3:That. That's not a Google's mindset, nigga.
Speaker 2:That's an economic mindset. What do you consider winning? Winning a championship, winning a division At least?
Speaker 3:the playoffs. They're like 3-6, 3-5. At least the play.
Speaker 2:Can we get 500? Did the Cowboys make the playoffs last year? Yes, they did.
Speaker 3:And did they sign these guys to contracts after that to do what they're doing now? Yes, they did.
Speaker 2:But Dak had already got money before the playoffs. I get that, I mean before they're here too, right?
Speaker 3:No, he just signed again.
Speaker 2:I know he just got another extension.
Speaker 3:He just got another contract before the first game of the season. I'm talking about that. There's no way I would have paid him $50 million If you would have cool. It's not a Bengals mindset, it's an economic mindset. That's just like if you're an entrepreneur, you want to have this high-ass payroll and your company sucks. Or if you have to suck, would you rather have a low payroll so you can turn Like this is what I do for a living, bro.
Speaker 2:Oh, I understand, this is what I do. It's just different when you're dealing with billions versus you know. It's an economic week, Well just from your complaints about the Bengals and how they don't go out and get nobody. You don't want them to pay nobody. You don't feel like anybody deserves it.
Speaker 3:I've never complained about Joe Burrow's contract. I've never one time have I complained about his contract. I just want other guys. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm saying you usually complain about them not going and getting nobody paying to go get nobody. Because, your thing is you feel like you can throw money at people and pull them in, but that ain't something y'all do. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying that there's levels to it, bro. I'm not paying Dak Prescott $55, $60 million a season. It's just not smart.
Speaker 2:But money isn't conducive to winning either.
Speaker 3:I got $32 million, so why are you throwing it around?
Speaker 2:Because it's about, because you pay for production. That's how the NFL is.
Speaker 3:Bro, it depends what kind of production you're talking about. We're talking about Dak Prescott production, bro, I ain't saying I won't pay you nothing, bro. You can get four years 120, bro, I got you. But I'm not giving you 55, 60 million dollars in a season to do what you're capable of doing. I'm nothing on that, I'm cool, bro, just like cam newton said, he's a, he's a game manager, nah, I don't, I wouldn't go that far like that, but do I feel?
Speaker 3:confident in that he's gonna to take us to the promised land. Bro, I'm cool Like I just nah bro.
Speaker 2:Nah, but can we say, if you don't have that guy, the chances that you make it into the promised land nowadays is highly unlikely, shit.
Speaker 1:You have to have a productive quarterback.
Speaker 2:If nothing else Productive Like yeah.
Speaker 3:Productive. You don't have to have you know what I'm saying, because actually the key to doing it is to win while your guy is up. Oh, stop him, stop him, stop him, stop him. The object is to win while your guy is on the rookie contract. That's why the 49ers kind of screwed it.
Speaker 2:They should have attacked it but that's a gamble in itself, because you got to hit on that person Like you got to know that person. That would be nice, but it happens, though it happens, but it don't work.
Speaker 3:The Warriors won while Steph Kirkton's basketball granted, I switched up. They won while he was making pennies. Kansas City won while Homeboy was not making a whole lot of money. That's the cheat code.
Speaker 2:But then they've been winning, and winning with money too. We win, we win. Other teams are winning with paying guys too. Like who, though who?
Speaker 3:Who's winning, who's paying? Except for Mahomes who was doing it even before Kansas City.
Speaker 2:Philly's always competing. They pay their guys. Buffalo just got rid of a bunch of guys that they had been paying. I mean, like these guys are competing every year it is pretty much the same guy.
Speaker 1:It is San Francisco in that same situation. That's what you're cool with.
Speaker 2:They pay a lot of guys and they're winning Like the Baltimore, same thing they pay guys.
Speaker 3:Winning. What though? There's only one?
Speaker 2:champion.
Speaker 3:But, you just said, winning is winning.
Speaker 1:The division getting to the playoffs and that's the negative.
Speaker 3:But you're missing what I'm saying, though. I'm saying for me to pay you $55, $60 million a season. You're going to have to be championship worthy.
Speaker 1:You're going to have to be having either done it or close.
Speaker 2:So consistent playoffs versus and this is a question is that worthy of payment? It?
Speaker 3:depends. There's a lot of variables that go into it. Is your team sad? Is your defense? Can your defense not stop a rookie? There's a lot of things that go into. You can't do it on your own. But if you're producing and we can see that your team only goes if you go, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I clearly think the.
Speaker 2:Cowboys fall into that scenario.
Speaker 4:That team does go with that Cresco. I would say I feel that about that.
Speaker 3:Go look up their record when Cooper Rush was the quarterback, either last year or the year before.
Speaker 2:Go look it up, yeah, but then look at the weapons they had too Like they had way more receivers. Look. Go look it up, yeah, but then look at the weapons they had too Like they had way more receivers. Look at that.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm saying that you don't have to pay CeeDee Lamb the most ever. That's exactly what I'm saying, bro, like I think you do based on his production. Cooper Rush was like 4-0 when Drake went, when Dak was out that season, Right.
Speaker 2:but then you also say it's not about wins and losses. They don't pay people based on wins and losses.
Speaker 3:You got to find a medium, bro.
Speaker 2:You got to all right, right, no, no, but that's what If?
Speaker 3:you want to pay Dak $60 million a season, you go right ahead. No, I'm not. Dallas get it and Dallas is getting what they're getting. They're not even well they're defensive.
Speaker 2:But look at Detroit.
Speaker 3:We talked about what you call it and bro's, not even Jared Goff's not the highest paid nigga ever.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm just saying like he's got a reasonable ass contract. He's top. He's up there. He's top five. He's top five paid quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3:And he just damn near changed his whole trajectory around bro Right, but last year y'all was yelling.
Speaker 2:He didn't deserve it.
Speaker 3:Nah, bro, right, but last year y'all was yelling. He didn't deserve it, bro, he's not making 60, bro, nobody is 50. 55? That is the only one, and he's damn near the only one. That one of the ones that shouldn't.
Speaker 2:Guess what, Next year somebody else is gonna make 60.
Speaker 3:And that's what I'm saying, and that's the trajectory of it, and that's what I don't agree with. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. I'm personally not doing that, bro. And from the niggas who are from the outside looking in, shit ain't going too hot. I think Philly kind of came back up, but last year towards the end it was spooky for them. I don't know if everybody's forgotten, but yeah, but you don't say oh man, I paid these guys.
Speaker 2:That's the reason why.
Speaker 3:You just got to draft well, bro. You got to draft well, you got to scout. It's a lot more than that.
Speaker 2:It's a lot that goes into it, but when you? Got guys that are producing at a certain level. You don't just let those guys walk. I ain't. Are producing at a certain level. You don't just let those guys walk.
Speaker 1:I ain't saying you got to give them the money to compete, Because if not somebody?
Speaker 3:Hey, that's the same thing you was saying. That's the same kind of ideology you had about Anthony Richardson you need a quarterback, so you got to take him high.
Speaker 2:But then if I'm just saying, if it hits, there's not.
Speaker 3:You never should be forced into anything, bro. There's always a better option, always, always, even what the Bengals like. Everything is a show when we draft a guy that we can probably be four and five with without paying Burrow. A billion dollars a year, bro, yeah Right, but at the beginning of the season. We can be four and five with some other cats, bro. We can probably be five and four with some other. You just don't know, bro.
Speaker 2:But then do you with that, though, at the beginning of the season, when you're thinking about a fresh season, you're not looking at the Bengals and just knowing how they've been, with Burrell saying you know what chances are, nine games in, we're going to be four and five. That ain't what you're thinking.
Speaker 3:I definitely thought that we didn't do it, we didn't bolster it all. I've been saying that since we went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:Right, but I'm just saying we have not done enough to improve the roster Right, but we're talking about Burrow and when we're talking about paying guys, especially your quarterback, and you're looking at the future as far as the season ahead of you, you're not looking at like you know what, before we play a game that was a bad investment. On paying burl, you're not thinking.
Speaker 3:I mean, maybe you're not thinking about burl, but I definitely look at it like that every time I watch the cowboys. Only thing I can think of these two niggas is making 100 million dollars a season and they fucking suck.
Speaker 2:But you look at but they're constantly making playoff berths and they're top stat-wise. When you're looking at individual production, they're both top five every year.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying I wouldn't have paid them nothing, but I'm nothing on them being the highest-paid niggas ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when you look at other guys and you say, all right, I'm producing more to him, I'm producing more to him, and I'm producing more to him, and they're more to him, and I'm producing more to him, and they're making this money, like, how do you not pay me, like again at your job? If you're better at what you do, then the next guy we're going to sit down and talk about it.
Speaker 3:I would have never started it and I would have been like, hey bro, hey, I feel you, but if I think that I can replace you, it's over. Right, but you got to get on the field with the football is different because you got to actually get on the field to replace me.
Speaker 2:You have to get on the cooper and wait a minute because look at, look, because in practice, hey, people get their jobs taken in practice every day. So if cooper rush is really that guy, even with his record and what you know about him, why ain't they? They could have moved on on from Dak Prescott before they paid him. They could have. But guess what? He was taking them to the playoffs and his stats and how he produced was better.
Speaker 3:Do I think that the Cowboys could have been at minimum three and five with Cooper Rush, yeah, yeah probably did Do. I think the Cowboys could have been five and three. Yes, possibility, right possibility. Right now their defense has been banged up. Michael parsons has been out.
Speaker 2:I think dexter lawrence has been out so kind of like what you say like there's a lot of things that affect the game, but when you get a player because you're not playing, you're not paying a defense. You're not saying, all right, here's five billion dollars to split up amongst the defense. You're saying, saying no, okay for your production, this is what you get paid against other players at your position, that's producing, that's how you get paid. So to say somebody ain't worth it, they're going to sit down and they're going to measure me against him.
Speaker 3:And when you put our numbers side to side, but you can't measure yourself against another nigga. That's not worth it.
Speaker 2:Right. But then if you say if Jamar Chase, if they say hey, jamar Chase we're not going to pay, Then I'm like that's not a good argument. But they're not going to sit here and say. They're going to say, jamar Chase, we're not going to pay you what Justin Jefferson is getting paid, because you have Burrow throwing you the ball. Justin Jefferson has whoever. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I mean, but if you who's better? That's a valid point.
Speaker 2:That's something that you have to listen to Because we have a better thrower. We're not going to pay You're going to say hell no, I still got to catch the ball.
Speaker 3:If this nigga's out here cooking with Sam Darnold and Jamar Chase wasn't getting it done with Joe Burrow, then bro we got to have a conversation.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, but when they both are, that's not an argument, because you got to compare me to my peers.
Speaker 3:Well, it is an argument, because right now ask people who you think is better between Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Niggas will look you right in the face and say Justin Jefferson. I will look you right in the face and tell you I think Justin Jefferson is a better receiver.
Speaker 2:Right. But then when you look at production, it's going to be like, hey look, we're right there in production.
Speaker 3:Yeah, buddy, jamar Chase is up there, but, like I said, you have Joe Burrow and you also have well have allegedly T Higgins. But yeah, bro, I mean.
Speaker 2:And then when you sit down at the table, you'd be like right now, who you going to replace me with? Because, right now, because you got to replace me right now.
Speaker 3:Shit bro.
Speaker 2:Hey, replace me, you can figure it out.
Speaker 3:See, my thing is this though Okay, so I got to replace you in three and five or four and five.
Speaker 2:No, you got to replace me in the beginning of the season, before we start talking.
Speaker 3:If we're eight and one, I'm like damn. I might not be able to replace that, but replacing you to still be four and five is something that I can probably do.
Speaker 2:Okay, so records do matter then.
Speaker 3:All of it matters, like nothing, like okay, okay, all right, like everything you know you just said some different things in the past.
Speaker 2:When we bring our records and you just be like that, don't?
Speaker 3:matter, man, that's a team, all of it. Bro, like you know, like I know, I'm just trying things like last week I was just going on a tangent about the uh, no, it wasn't last week, but when we were talking about the WNBA and I was saying how damn you could win a championship and play like absolute dog shit, but that championship is going to stay with you forever. So, yes, you know that I'm not saying that wins and losses tell the whole story because, like, if I'm somebody arguing against Sabrina Inescu hey, yeah, you got a ring, but one for 19, that's not. That's nothing to, that's good. Hey, yeah, you got a ring, but one for 19?, bro, that ain't, that's not that's nothing to like shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then if I, but then we look back a couple games and I say oh, remember this game, this key game that we needed to win, and I showed out. We probably wouldn't even be here if I didn't do what I did in this game or this game or this game.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. I could jump down that route too. They probably would have done better if she hadn't went out there and went one for 19.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:That's crucial, bro. That's just my reasoning for saying.
Speaker 2:Bro, you're talking about Hendricks is right there every time this dude is getting beasted.
Speaker 3:None of these are. I was just looking at this. They're just showing a this None of these are.
Speaker 2:I'm just showing a replay. That's the reason why I brought it up and I was literally thinking. I was like he's been close to tapping Jackson on the shoulder like five times.
Speaker 3:He's getting beasted, bro. These are not pressures, like he's getting his ass kicked. And here's another rep. Third and five. Look at this motherfucker. Oh my Good defense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look at that man, Good defense.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, yeah, you really haven't watched the Bengals.
Speaker 2:I'm just watching. You said 35.
Speaker 3:Those two corners very well might be the worst two corners in the NFL.
Speaker 2:Hey, they just made a stop, man. Y'all need stops, that's what you be talking about. They gotta stop, man. I mean yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm yeah, like I'm fucking with it, and a ball between Zay Flowers and Andrews.
Speaker 2:Right there, they get a stop. Look either one of them could have caught that.
Speaker 3:Look, hey, that's a good play. I'm a guy, bro, A real kid hey take the lockdown.
Speaker 1:Take the lockdown.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to nitpick everything, but what are you doing?
Speaker 2:You never could have caught it.
Speaker 1:Look, man, just take the stop, take the lockdown.
Speaker 3:I'm taking the stop, vernon, I got you. I hear you, I hear you bro.
Speaker 2:I hear you, Because then if he had caught it between the two, you'd be like look at these on there.
Speaker 3:You could have knocked it down. Nah, because Cam Taylor. I even said this on the show. When Cam Taylor made that one-handed grab against Kansas City, I was like, oh shit, oh Britt, I'm going to buy one of those niggas jerseys if he turns out to be. They even talk about his cards too. Yep, that too. He's been getting torched ever since. Ever since that, I'm like, hey bro, if he turns out to be, this lockdown. I do have a rookie auto of Cam Taylor, britt, like it's up, but he's been getting he's a toaster oven ever since.
Speaker 2:So All right, man, listen man. It is what it is, it is.
Speaker 1:Sorry, man, you got caught.
Speaker 3:Man, it happens If.
Speaker 2:John had watched. He'd know this happened.
Speaker 3:One in every, like I would say four or five episodes.
Speaker 1:Four or five shows.
Speaker 3:yeah, oh man.
Speaker 4:Y'all way more controlled than what my podcast was.
Speaker 2:I felt like we got into debates every week, so when there's more of us here, it tends to broaden the conversation, because then you can have some other people to bounce off of I hear y'all, I'm like, oh, this is right, this ain't the same.
Speaker 3:We ain't making a dime off this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:The fact I'm probably losing money. I'm losing time with the fam man man right now man, I do it because I love it. I still be banging on the door. I just like man. At any point, if I'm not having fun with it, it's a wrap.
Speaker 4:That's what's up, that's what's up.
Speaker 3:That was a good pass, oh wow, that's a good pass.
Speaker 2:So offensive player of the year, real quick Shit it might be fucking Jane Davis no for real, not for real I don't know, I think LeBron Derek, henry bro.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, yeah. Well, you were still an offensive rookie.
Speaker 2:You moved to offensive people oh, did I skip one? Yeah, no, no, no, I thought you were still an offensive rookie. No we did offensive rookie.
Speaker 4:Remember we said yeah yeah, yeah, we said we're going.
Speaker 2:Then now we defensive player. That's when we was talking about Hendricks.
Speaker 4:Okay, so now you're an offensive.
Speaker 2:Okay, for that, that would be Henry for me. I mean rookie-wise, I don't know. He's saying the running game is dead.
Speaker 3:I don't know bro, run him 25 times a game, bro, I just don't get it. But that's something me and Justin was talking about extensively. I don't understand it, because I mean even now. Derrick Henry hasn't done anything, bro. I think he had one nice run, the first drive. He hasn't done anything, bro. I think he had one nice run, the first drive, he hasn't done anything, but it's like he ain't getting a whole lot of opportunities.
Speaker 3:Run him, you kind of letting the Bengals off the hook too, granted we do do better against bigger running backs than smaller shifty guys, I think, because it's a bigger target a little easier to tackle.
Speaker 4:But think about that though. They haven't been using Derrick Henry like they should, and the man is still over 1,000 yards in the middle of the season. That's why I say he's offensive.
Speaker 3:Every day he breaks a crazy long run. That just solidifies his day, yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm just like bro.
Speaker 2:Like 80-somethinger against Tampa Bay. Just think of things he's only got the ball 20-plus times in four games yeah.
Speaker 3:He's got the ball in every game. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Man. He got an 81-yard long but he only touched the ball 15 times that game.
Speaker 1:He got an 87-yarder.
Speaker 2:He touched the ball 15 times that game.
Speaker 4:He got an 87-yarder he touched the ball 24 times, he got a 51-yarder. Yeah With that production, you ain't got to run it as much, no.
Speaker 2:Because at that game I mean you look at it like Shoot In those games, like where, like in the carries, like they were already up.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:A lot.
Speaker 3:Like all them games they won, like he didn't really have to touch the ball against, against us.
Speaker 2:Until the last round of the game he had probably 40 yards.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, 15, and he was at 15 for 92 yeah, he had like a 50 or 60 yarder in overtime last play before they kicked the field goals like yeah, I don't know, I don't know what but anytime he touched the ball over 20 times, he gives you two touchdowns. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So you got to kind of run with that formula. But I think they kind of like wait to the end of the game, like if they need to ice the game, like I don't think they want to put the ball in Lamar's hands to win the game if they can run it with him. That's crazy. He's a two-time MVP. They should, I agree, but we I agree, but we've seen what happened in the playoffs. We've seen what happened Sometimes.
Speaker 4:He just don't make the play yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you got somebody you can handle, especially with all they running backs being injured the past what four seasons? Now you got somebody back on the stage like hand the ball off. You've been kind of forced to do it. You know what I mean in the past. Hand the ball off G? Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2:Last but not least, man, mvp, man this is all the guys we were just talking about Jared Goff, jaden Daniels and Lamar. Like I think what Jaden Daniels been doing is just force him. At least you at least got to have him in the conversation. If nothing else I mean offensive rookie probably hands down, but at least what he's working with the commanders like nobody thought the commanders was going to be anything, nobody. So just the fact he got them in contention. I mean, of course, lamar Jackson, with fucking perfect QB games. He's averaging 10 yards a temp and he's also ran for what? 338 yards and two touchdowns over that time too. I mean I don't know. And then Jared Goff even though he's 14th in QBR, he's had a couple perfect games, since he's also averaging 10 yards a pass and 80% of his pass is like he's completing 82%.
Speaker 3:How many yards does he have this season bro?
Speaker 2:I can tell you that right now 18-40. With 14 touchdowns and four interceptions. So he's 17th in the league in passing as far as yards, but ninth in touchdowns and he only got four picks.
Speaker 3:They won that game where he dropped 50-something points but he had 85 passing yards.
Speaker 2:Yeah. He was 12 of 15, but he threw three touchdowns.
Speaker 3:His defense was playing, they were getting short fields, I think one game recently had had like a buck something and they scored a whole bunch of points.
Speaker 2:Not recently, no, everything else. His next lowest total is 145. That was week one against Green Bay. No no, no, no, I'm looking at the back of my bag. No, you're right, that was against Green Bay. This past week he was 18-22 for 145.
Speaker 3:That's crazy Getting nuts on the road.
Speaker 2:But again, like in short fields, the defense was just bro. He's definitely benefiting from the defense, but hey, if I ain't got to throw the ball 50 times or 40, you know what I mean I'll take it.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's his ankle.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was hoping it wasn't his knee off that initial.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he tweaked his ankle. Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3:He fell oh Ankle injuries.
Speaker 2:This is the year Y'all about to say. This is the year of ankle injuries.
Speaker 3:Sometimes an ankle injury will keep a guy out a night, and sometimes it'll keep a guy out seven weeks.
Speaker 2:Because you got low sprains high sprains.
Speaker 3:I've seen LeBron's ankle hit the ground and Buddy tie his shoes up and you never hear nothing else about it. I've also seen guys tweak their ankles and be out eight weeks. Trust me.
Speaker 2:Jonathan Taylor is the ankle king. The ankle king is crazy. I already know about ankles.
Speaker 4:Can't be no worse than Steph.
Speaker 2:No, no, steph is the by far worst.
Speaker 4:He had two the other three nights ago, and I thought he was done. That was it. He came back, though, but I was like what he's?
Speaker 2:a pickle monster man, he always get got All right, man Pickles, and we gone. Man, we are gone, we done dragged this out an hour and a half. So this week, pickle Records, I went 13-2. Last week, jerry, you went 9-6. Ike went 9-6. And Justin went 6-9.
Speaker 3:Who was you picking, bro? Because you probably could have went 14-1. You probably should have went 14-1.
Speaker 2:I missed the Patriots game. I picked the Patriots and the Colts. Those are the only two I lost, damn.
Speaker 3:Everything else, the Patriots and the Colts, those are the only two I lost.
Speaker 2:Damn. The Patriots played the Jaguars and you picked the. I picked the Patriots. The Jaguars are just as bad. I'm defeated, bro. They were just as bad. That's crazy. Everybody picked the Texans, I picked the Jets. So that separated me. Everybody who else? Everybody picked the Bears, I picked the Texans, I picked the Jets, so that separated me. Everybody who else? Everybody picked the Bears, I picked the Cardinals. That separated me. Everybody picked the Saints, I picked the Panthers. Everybody picked the Browns, I picked the Chargers, bro.
Speaker 3:you could have won yourself some money this week, bro Bro. I didn't win none of my bets With that Saints and Carolina joint. I didn't win none of my bets If you had to pick that one. If you had to pick that one.
Speaker 2:Most of the time it's money line dog Cardinals.
Speaker 3:I never hit the line. You would have got paid If you had put $100 on the Cardinals and the Panthers. You'd probably Do. You hear how absurd that sounds. That's what I'm, but you did it though. That's what I'm saying. Had that's what I'm saying had you bet $100 on that two-game parlay, I'm pretty sure you could have made a couple more.
Speaker 2:That's my betting budget and I usually get 10 bets out of that. Eight to 10 bets out of that.
Speaker 4:I can't drop that on one. It's the observed bets that wins man. That's the problem, Right.
Speaker 3:Right, come on, chase. I feel like Earl's getting ready to turn it over, but all right. You say you feel like about that.
Speaker 1:I feel like he's about to turn it over Free play, Ooh he almost caught that Nigga.
Speaker 3:this nigga's hands are booty. He got hands like my son bro.
Speaker 4:Like that's a ball, not like a kid.
Speaker 2:All right, man Final thoughts, man Final thoughts.
Speaker 3:Man Wimby better pick it up.
Speaker 1:Hey, he been in a slump 18 and a half a game is not, man.
Speaker 3:I got some rookie cards of his too. I need him to kill as soon as he has a 40-point game. I'm selling him Dang man. I got to get rid of them. But, yeah, that's all I got.
Speaker 2:What about you, fitz man? Final thoughts man.
Speaker 4:Well, I already said one throughout the show 12.30,. We better be up by 25.30. Easy, that's so much pressure we better not be starting no starters after the first half. I'm telling you that right now.
Speaker 3:Hey, what'd I say?
Speaker 4:I'm telling you that right now. You called it'd. I say, I'm telling you that right now.
Speaker 3:People really swear, I don't know what.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about.
Speaker 4:You called it. You said it was going to be a turnover, but that's the first and the second one. Ricky Watch for the NBA. If he gets the reps that he needs to do, it's going to be Zach Eadie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah but he going to be Zach.
Speaker 4:Eady yeah. Yeah, but he's fighting for time, though Duty's nice. I mean if he gets. That's what I said. If he gets the time like he's supposed to, he's going to be With Jared.
Speaker 2:What, Jared Jackson Jr, who else? They got somebody, they got man. They just a big team dude.
Speaker 4:Two nights ago that man put up 25 points easy. I watched that game. I was like, yeah, dude is nice. I went to see him play preseason Pacers I think the last preseason game or whatever they played. He played the majority of that game. I was like, yeah, dude is going to be nice.
Speaker 2:That's rookie watch. You can't keep your eyes and touch around the basket.
Speaker 4:He got it, he got it, he got it. Yeah, he got it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no, I agree with you. He just got to get some clock.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately hopefully not, but it may take an injury in order for him to get the clock. I don't wish that on nobody, but, like I said, they got a lot of big guys, they just have a big team. So oh yeah, 100 percent. So yeah, man, I don't have nothing, man. Final thoughts man, I appreciate y'all joining us, appreciate y'all listening to our rants. This is about to be a long edit, be a path in my editing, but I appreciate y'all, man, and'll see y'all next week with another episode of Epic Podcast. Man we out Peace.