E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Unveiling the Hidden Keys to NBA and WNBA Coaching Strategies, MVP Race Insights, and Controversial College Football Rankings
What if the key to the Lakers' success is hidden in plain sight? Join us as we unravel the mystery behind the NBA's most compelling coaching strategies and spotlight the unexpected coaching shake-ups making waves in the WNBA. We'll dive headfirst into the dynamics that make a respected coach indispensable, using the Lakers and Miami Heat as our prime examples, and explore the surprising dismissal of successful WNBA coaches like Stephanie White. Plus, you'll hear all about my exciting weekend with the Colts, adding a personal twist to our rich sports narrative.
The race for the NBA MVP is heating up, and we're here to break it down. Who stands out among Luka Doncic, Anthony Edwards, and sleeper pick Victor Wembanyama? We’ll share our thoughts and predictions for this season's biggest awards, from Defensive Player of the Year to Sixth Man of the Year, all while dissecting the ongoing evolution and potential of young talents like Jalen Brown and OG Anunoby. Dive into a comprehensive analysis to understand who might emerge as the season's shining star and what could tip the scales in this closely contested race.
Our sports talk doesn’t stop there—college football fans, this one's for you. We take on the controversial rankings, questioning whether traditional powerhouses are overshadowing emerging teams like Indiana University. With a critical eye, we analyze potential playoff scenarios and quarterback development in the NFL, debating the strategies behind benching young talents like Anthony Richardson. From the trade impact on the Baltimore Ravens to the Bengals' strategic woes, prepare for an engaging and thought-provoking discussion that challenges the norms and stirs the pot in the world of sports.
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Speaker 2:Yo yo yo. Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast. Joined again, once again, my guy, jared Justin. She'll be joining us here shortly, so it will be three of us in the house tonight. It was your sports weekend.
Speaker 3:It was cool. Glad NBA is back Lakers off to a good start for the first time In I don't know how long. They look like a real team. I guess coaching does matter. They literally got the same team as last year. They added Dalton Connect Same team. I guess coaching does matter. I mean, they literally got the same team as last year. They added, you know, dalton Connect, but I mean same team and it's just playing exponentially better. So that's all I've been saying. I think we both were saying that yeah, yeah, coaching. You know people want to act like we don't know what we're talking about or so thirsty to blame LeBron and all this other crap. You know you've got to have a coach that's respected. You know you got to have a coach with some kind of game plan. You got, you just got to have that stuff, man. So they got that knows what they're talking about man.
Speaker 2:you know what I mean. So, like you said, somebody who knows the game you know what I mean who can teach the game and help the other guys understand, like this is our goal. This is what we're trying to do. You know what I mean. Xyz play or just as a team and have an identity Facts, and I think you know Not that complicated of a you know no and just to start off too.
Speaker 2:Like I mean, seem like they're. You know what I mean, that's what they're instilling and that's what builds a culture. You know what I mean? Like it's crazy that, no matter who Miami gets, or you know what the lineup is, like, miami has a culture. Yep and I think you hear that pretty much all over the league is that, hey, look, you go to Miami, this is how it is, this is how it's been, and they're constantly competing in the playoffs. You know what I mean, right, but nonetheless, man, my weekend, my sports weekend, has been interesting, you know, with everything that's going on with the Colts now. Yeah, we're going to talk about it anyway. We're going to talk about it anyway.
Speaker 3:Nonetheless, we're going to talk about it anyway, it's all good man, it'll get better. We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 2:We'll catch Justin up as we jump in. We'll start with a little razzle-dazzle, a little quick WNBA news. I'm going to start with a little razzle-dazzle, a little quick WNBA news. There's seven coaching openings in the WNBA right now.
Speaker 3:Really, yes, there's only five I've seen that that's right.
Speaker 2:When I seen that I was like dang seven, that's a lot. So I looked into them. Which this is crazy. Connecticut Suns has a coaching vacancy. Their record last year, well, their coach's record for the past two years is 62-32. Wow, I don't know why that. Stephanie White was their coach the past two seasons 62 and 32, includes 7 and 7 In the postseason. One coach of the year Last year. Don't understand why she's fired After this year. Like they were in the playoffs. They lost, I think, to the Liberty, but they were in the playoffs. But I don't understand. You obviously Got a competitive roster. I don't see why wmba is weird, man.
Speaker 3:I mean it's you. You gotta think we're talking about a league where first round rookies don't make the team like it's. It's different w. Wmbnba is a different breed of sports. So like things like this happens. You know, often, unfortunately, I mean, and then you got to think the money ain't all that great. You might you know what I'm saying you might win a whole bunch of games and if you just don't want to live there, I mean nothing is like nothing's holding you. It ain't like you're making. You know five, seven million dollars to live there. I mean nothing is like nothing's holding you. It ain't like you make them. You know five, seven million dollars to live in connecticut. You're probably making a hundred, you know I don't know what the right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't see the coaching so like, if I don't want to live in connecticut anymore, nah, we can. You know, we can separate and I can just go somewhere else. I can't just say it, but the coach, probably she might want to get a job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not Stephanie White.
Speaker 3:No, she'll be back coaching. But I'm just saying, yeah, she'll be back coaching. She could have. I'm about to accept the CFO position at XYZ. I ain't coaching no more because I mean I'm sure they're not making a whole lot of money.
Speaker 2:So you know, um. So yeah, Indiana the fever fired their coach after two seasons. She was 33 and 44. Uh, Christy size, including a 20 and 20 record this season and led the fever to the first playoff since 2016. Washington Mystics their coach was 33 and 47. Eric Tibbott I don't know who that is, but the Mystics has been bad for a while. They were 14 and 26 this season. The rest of these are kind of you could say it's kind of justifiable. They went nine. Dallas Wings they went nine and 31 this season.
Speaker 3:She needs to go, because that was terrible. You shouldn't lose that many terrible, yeah, yeah. For a while. You shouldn't lose that many games, Not that many Atlanta Dream 48-36 the past three seasons.
Speaker 2:Tanisha Wright they did go to the playoffs last year and this year but I guess the playoffs is just not enough. In the WNBA Chicago Sky, teresa Weatherspoon, which is crazy. After her first season 13-27, she got a really good team. They had a lot of injuries this year and they just got rid of her, which the team was very upset about that. Last but not least, the Los Angeles Sparks, kurt Miller. He was 25 and 55 the past two seasons.
Speaker 2:The league worse 8 and 32 this past year, that'll do it, but again a bunch of injuries, and their number one draft pick, cameron Brink, was also hurt. Yeah, I think that's pretty wild.
Speaker 3:WNBA can be a strange place bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm definitely starting to see that In other news we're going to jump over to WNBA Grown Man's League. I mean the NBA, the Grown Man's League. We've got a couple games on tonight Dallas and Minnesota is on right now and Denver and Brooklyn is on right now. Denver and Brooklyn is on right now. You got Sacramento and Utah coming on later, new Orleans and Golden State after that. But Rudy Gay finally retires after 17 seasons. I don't think he played anywhere last year.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm not sure. I'm trying to think, I don't think he played anywhere last year.
Speaker 2:So, but he did. A solid veteran, played well, let me. I think I had his, I think I had his stats pulled too. Yeah, he last played 22-23 season for the Utah Jazz. Had signed a contract with Golden State last summer but was waived, I mean, went to UConn number eight pick over on 2006. Played for the Rockets, the Grizzlies mainly. He's one of four players to average 10 or more points in the 0-6-0-7 season. Oh, okay, along with all the rookies this season. But yeah, he averaged 15 points, five rebounds, over, you know, over 1,000 career games, over 700 starts. Yeah, man, just a solid vet worthy of mentioning. Don't know if he a Hall of Famer. I don't think he won any rings anymore.
Speaker 3:No, Nah, he's not going to.
Speaker 2:Hall of Fame. Yeah, not a solid season, you know. And last but not least, I wanted to talk about some early predictions on some of the NBA awards. Just early in, just looking Most valuable player, defensive rookie six-man, most important coach of the year. As far as MVP, just thinking about I know we got a small sample size, probably not even looking at this year, but just who you think is going to be in the running. It's not necessarily who.
Speaker 3:MVP of the league this year NBA.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just who you think will be in the running. It's not necessarily who.
Speaker 3:I definitely think Luka, although he got a lot of offense around him. Now I don't even know if he's going to even get up enough shots to really score that much, but I think Luka has a shot. Anthony Edwards has a shot. Shea Gildress Alexander has a shot. I'm not I don't even know how to say this, but I'm not that crazy about Shea Gildress Alexander. I wish I saw what everybody else saw.
Speaker 3:I just don't see it I know that's an unpopular opinion and that's just me wiling. I get that. So if you're listening, you think I'm crazy. I'll fully accept it, but I just I don't know. Like people say, he should have been the one MVP last year.
Speaker 2:His ongoing. I would expect a result at some point.
Speaker 3:I don't know how, but I mean, that's just me. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, didn't he lead the league in scoring? No, Luka led the league in scoring last year.
Speaker 3:I mean he definitely scored a lot, I mean, his team had first place. But you know how I am about wins.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I mean just leading his team in scoring. I mean leading his team in scoring, I mean led his team to the best record in the West. I mean I just think that puts him in contention. Usually the best player, especially usually the best player on the best teams, usually get that consideration. So I don't I see why he was considered. I don't think he played that bad in the playoffs, I mean on the big stage, but I don't think he played that bad in the playoffs, I mean on the big stage.
Speaker 3:But you know, yeah, I guess I'm not going to argue.
Speaker 2:What do you think, Justin, as far as just who has the possibility of winning MVP this year? In the NBA. Sorry, I mean just who you think. I mean I'll be in the running. Not necessarily who you think.
Speaker 4:I'm going, I think, team wise. Uh, sga, he'll definitely be there. Um, you probably. If I had to guess you probably I mean, I guess it's hard to say Joker won't be there just because of how good he is.
Speaker 2:Because of how he played yeah. He's always there.
Speaker 4:I probably would say Anthony Edwards. He's probably going to have some crazy numbers this year, especially with Cat being gone, but Julius Randle could eat into some of that. You know what I mean, but he going to get his numbers. I think I saw tonight he had 24 in the first. So I ain't watching none of the game yet, but I'll probably say two sleepers would be, though I think Wimby, just depending on how good San Antonio is, he's probably going to have some.
Speaker 2:I think they're healthy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's probably going to have some, they say healthy. Yeah, he's probably going to have some statistics. And I actually now Jared probably going to get on me for this, because he didn't like it when I brought him up last season my man, paulo Ben-Carol, is a dog man.
Speaker 3:He gave.
Speaker 2:Indiana the business the other night.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:MVP, though no way.
Speaker 3:What did you say? I said, for MVP, though, no way.
Speaker 4:That's why I said probably a long shot, because I mean, the reality is, if Orlando's good, and let's just say he's averaging 27 and 12, you can't say he ain't going to get no looks In the conversation. Yeah, you're going to have to be in the conversations if you're one of the best teams in the East, and they could be.
Speaker 3:I mean, I guess I don't see that. But obviously yeah if they got like a top two and he's over 28 points a game and is also rebounding too, I mean I guess yeah, but I don't see the first part of that happening.
Speaker 4:You don't see them finishing in like the top half of the East. No, top three, four teams, absolutely not. No. Okay.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if. I'm I mean, I'm just thinking about from last year.
Speaker 2:I mean, they surprised me last year. They didn't really. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We were talking about them last year being a surprise, so it's like did they get better? Yeah?
Speaker 4:I think they did. I think they did, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they did anything.
Speaker 4:I haven't heard anything about this year. I saw the little thing for the Apollo thing, so I can't speak on it I think the reason why I say they've gotten better I don't know if they've had any additions off the top of my head, but just because of how young they were they got better because of that.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, okay, more experience Another year of experience With Apollo, with Wagner, you know what I mean Even with Wendell Carter and some of those guys I think Jalen Suggs, like, I think guys just naturally hopefully got better, which would make them better.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, no, that makes sense. That makes sense. So I agree with everybody I've been saying for the most part. But Jalen Brunson, I mean I think he should get a nine. I mean, if he keeps Playing at that level, of course the Yokes Tatum, with the way he started the season off, he's going to be right there, especially If Austin you know what I mean has one of the top Records in the East, he'll be right there, as usual.
Speaker 2:Curry, he's going to be taking more shots, I think you know, without Clay, even though they've been spreading the ball around a lot and playing a lot of these guys off the bench, I think if Curry get back up close to that 30 point range on the season, then I think he could be right there. And I mean, of course, my sleeper will probably be Jai, if he stay healthy. I think he, I think he got something to prove. You know, with all the young guys I think we was talking about this early on a couple weeks ago, but a lot of the young guys have been talking about who the face of the league is. You know, with Edwards and Tatum and all these guys, it's like Jai used to be in that conversation and with these injuries and just off-the-court stuff. Nobody's really talking about him anymore. So I think this will be a proven year, like to come back, you know, kind of with a vengeance.
Speaker 4:I'll say this hey, byron, let me ask you this with that, because I thought about the Jai thing. But then it kind of went into what Jared just said about Orlando. I just can't see them finishing high enough in the West for him to get consideration. That was the reason I kind of I don't, I didn't think they were going to be. I don't think they're going to be like good, good, like that this year. So I was like, eh, I don't know that they'll be good enough for him to get the consideration. And then my thing with the Steph was is he going to play enough? Yeah, I mean Not even like you can say that.
Speaker 4:Not the injuries, but I almost feel like to your point. I forgot it wasn't the last game that they played, I think it was the game before that. It almost feels like they're going back to where. Like Steph didn't even play the whole fourth quarter. He had like 30-something going into the fourth and didn't play the fourth because they may not need him to play like that this year. They may have enough depth at the guard position where Steph don't have to do that. So I don't know if he'll be inconsiderate. I don't know that he's going to have to be that Steph Right Other than in the playoffs you know what I mean. Like I don't know in the regular season they're going to need him to be that.
Speaker 2:No, that makes sense. I was just, I'm just looking at Memphis, just looking at their schedule. I mean not their schedule but their roster right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, they got what Des together, but they're rostered right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, desmond Bain Jaron.
Speaker 2:Jackson Bain, jackson Jackson Edie's coming on. He's playing pretty good, marcus.
Speaker 4:Smart, I forgot they got him. Is he any good anymore?
Speaker 3:I don't know Defense hustle, He'll knock down some shots. I would take him.
Speaker 4:He looked a little chubby when I seen him. So that's why I asked. He looked a little chubby when I seen him, so that's why I asked Like he looked like he was a little out of shape or something. Now I could, you know. I know some guys got to play themselves back in the you know game shape to a degree.
Speaker 2:But he just didn't look the same as he did like in Because he was hurt.
Speaker 4:last year too, he got hurt yeah, he got hurt yeah.
Speaker 2:So I look back to the year before last. Like a healthy Memphis team is tough.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean especially defensively, mm-hmm, if nothing else, they're going to play good defense. You get Edie in there, edie, then Scottie Pippen Jr is on the team, so they definitely got defenders, if nothing else. So we know when it comes down to playoff time and play-in time, I guess defense is a key in winning games. So if they can hang around and hover around, you know what I mean, that 8-9 spot, you know what I mean. Who knows what they can do? But if Ja, like I said, if Ja's up there averaging, you know, north of 25, I don't see him not being in a conversation, at least as a sleeper.
Speaker 3:It also just depends on how well the team does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3:I noticed he didn't play last night. I don't know if he's injured or what the deal is with that, but he has some, he has a thigh soreness. I looked that up too.
Speaker 2:I seen that the other day, cause I was wondering too I.
Speaker 1:I looked that up too. I seen that the other day because I was wondering too. I was like, why didn't he?
Speaker 2:get that. He had a thigh soreness To be expected with, you know, coming back from injury. Like you were saying keep playing. Oh, go ahead, my bad. No, no, you're good, you're good. I was just saying, with him having that injury last year, like you still got to get back into shape and play your way back into shape.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I don't know what kind of injury it was either off the top of my head, so I was just going to say they probably got to make sure too, if they're going to. Since they signed Scottie Pippen, they got to keep his moms away from the players. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 4:I had to say it you were horrible.
Speaker 2:I had to say it. What about defensive player of the year man? I'm going to say somebody like Herb Jones, anobi, jerry Jackson Jr.
Speaker 2:Bam, anthony Davis, yep, anthony Davis, definitely he's yeah, and Victor Wambayano, and maybe a sleeper Chad home, yeah, you know, as a sleeper pick I would say Rudy, but he's always in there just because of you know his blocks, he's going to block, he's going to rebound. That's what I'm saying. I think that just by default, but I definitely some of these other guys, I think. Like you said, victor, if nobody else, I think he definitely makes that list and a healthy Jaron Jackson. He's usually up there too, so that would be my pick. Nobody else. Anybody you no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean you got everybody. Like I said, I added Anthony Davis. I mean he's always got a shot. Jaron Jackson Jr has a shot, gobert has a shot again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's usually the same guy. I just wish they put more emphasis on steals, on give some of these guards a shot, like OG I think he should definitely be in the running. People like Brown, Jalen Brown, people who really play good on-ball defense. I don't know how they would track that as a stat, but nonetheless.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's subjective, people vote on it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's kind of subjective on what you want to put an emphasis on. I would say rookie of the year, but I don't really know any of these rookies like that Rookie class yeah, that's what I'm saying Like outside of Zach Eady, I don't know, I'm not even sure what rookies are even playing? I know, Dalton.
Speaker 3:Canucks a couple minutes. Dalton Canucks in a couple minutes. Guy, last name, dunn, that plays for Phoenix, he's out there a lot.
Speaker 2:The forward for Atlanta Hawks was Rishi.
Speaker 3:I can't even say his name, man Rishi Shar or Rishi Shar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3:Alex.
Speaker 2:Sar for the Wizards.
Speaker 3:That might be the worst one-twos in history, bro. Green Shepard for the Rockets. He might have a chance, depending on how much play he gets.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's literally I have no idea, I'm just pulling knees out of thin air. Sixth man of the year? That's a tough one, maybe Like Monk, he been hooping yeah Up the pine For the Kings, mathering For the Pacers. He been playing Real well off the bench Nas Reed, nas Reed, yup. Oh well, he's starting now, ain't he? He's?
Speaker 3:starting Ain't he With Cat being moved? No, yeah, they're still starting. They're still starting. Gobert and Reid Yep. Oh well, he's starting now, ain't he? He's starting, ain't he, with Cat being moved?
Speaker 2:No, yeah, they're still starting Gobert.
Speaker 3:They're still starting, gobert and Javier Javier Randall and who's that?
Speaker 4:Edward's at the three Is Vincenzo playing? Is he? Starting.
Speaker 3:No, he's not.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, he's just coming off the bench.
Speaker 3:I think they're starting either Nikhil or what's the other wing they have.
Speaker 2:I don't know, that's a great question.
Speaker 4:So Conley Edwards, One of them wings.
Speaker 3:I'm about to pull it up now. Oh, it's old boy.
Speaker 4:The long dude. What's his?
Speaker 2:Oh, I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 3:He was hooking in the playoffs too, McDaniels.
Speaker 4:McDaniels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, no, that makes sense. Shoot Deke Ficenzo could be in the mix too, then Six man yeah, he could definitely be in the mix, especially if he keeps shooting like he was shooting in New York. So he'll definitely be in there. So, yeah, maybe Trey Murphy for the Pelicans and maybe Alex Caruso for the Thunder.
Speaker 3:Possibly.
Speaker 2:Possibly if he stayed healthy.
Speaker 4:I don't think he's the type of numbers you need for that, compared to the other guys, that's probably true too, he probably wouldn't get a lot of clock either. No, I was going to say Matherin's probably going to average 20. So you know what I mean. Like Cruz ain't putting up them kind of numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because he's usually the first person off the bench. Yeah.
Speaker 4:I like that pick, though I like the Matherin pick. I can see that. I can see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've just been, of course, been watching the Pacer games and he's been balling. Yeah, coming back from that injury, he's been balling, so he's definitely missed in the playoffs. Most improved Probably Nemar for the Pacers. Probably Nemar for the Pacers. Victor, of course, victor Remy, I think, if he keeps trending up you think he's going to get most improved, not most improved, I think if he make a huge leap.
Speaker 4:Nah, I don't think most.
Speaker 2:You don't think so.
Speaker 4:Not for most improved. Nah, that's usually somebody yeah.
Speaker 3:Nah, he wouldn't get most improved. I can't think this one's a hard one, because you really got to. You really got to think. You got to think of somebody who had a down year.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'll just say like, what about?
Speaker 2:Kaminga for Golden.
Speaker 4:State. I can see that Most improved.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I can see that.
Speaker 3:He can make a he kind of struggled last year, but he got a more prominent role now.
Speaker 4:Like I say, he's got a better role, getting more minutes, so I can see that. I can see that, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, josh Giddey for the Bulls. Not a lot of people there, not a lot of scoring options. I mean he can kind of, you know, kind of show up yeah.
Speaker 4:Um, what is a boy's name? Um, what's a boy? Young Buck that came out of Purdue Guard that played for the Pistons.
Speaker 3:Jalen Ivey.
Speaker 4:Jalen Ivey One of them. Maybe somebody like that, maybe, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's just a tough one. That's real tough and I wouldn't do that Coach of the Year. I think Greg Popovich probably could win it If the Spurs play up to their potential after what they was last year. Yeah, I mean based upon the wins, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, like the win differential. Yeah, I can see Pop probably being in that uh, in that uh conversation, but I don't know. That's probably about it, um, I don't know who else. I mean, I don't see nobody else making a big leap like shit.
Speaker 3:I know if uh jj reddick can keep people or jay, yeah different than they've looked for a decade.
Speaker 2:He got a chance. I think if the Lakers are not in the play-in he could definitely win.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if they finish like 20 games above .500, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I definitely think he could win it.
Speaker 3:I didn't even think about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, definitely Because.
Speaker 3:I feel like you figure coaches like OKC's coach. Granted, he overachieved last year, but I think that kind of took him out of the running for me.
Speaker 2:That penalizes him Granted?
Speaker 3:did he get who got coached last year? He should have gotten it. If he didn't, I guess you could have Chris Finch, he probably did Let me see Chris Finch no, no, no, he didn't.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, he didn't.
Speaker 3:Was it Mike Brown? No, I think he might have got it the year before Because the Kings did the Kings make the playoffs last year.
Speaker 2:I think they missed it.
Speaker 3:Did they miss it? I think so. So I don they missed it. Did they miss it? I think so. I don't think it was. I think Mike Brown might have been a year before. Are you looking it up?
Speaker 2:Brian Uh-huh.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Okay, Seascoach got it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, he won it. Yeah, so yeah, like you. Okay, Cease coach got it. Okay, I don't know it just yeah, yeah, he won it. Yeah, so yeah, like you said. I mean definitely not going to win it back-to-back years.
Speaker 4:You know what Jamal Mosley could win it? That's Orlando's coach. He was in the final runs last year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can see that too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But would it probably be a team that didn't make the playoffs last year who make it this year? That's usually the direction they go in, not necessarily. Or a team that like super overachieves.
Speaker 4:I just think, even with Orlando, the progress you saw last year, let's just say they get in the playoffs and they're a fifth seed For a coach to get that organization back to If they miss the play-in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:Okay, no, I just think. Yeah, I think that would give him an opportunity to get that award. Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes sense Because I think I think missing the play-in is a key. You know what I mean, because you can't count a playoff berth as a play-in. You know what I mean you go into the play-in, that's so. Yeah, no, definitely missing the play-in, like you said, up there in that top five in the East, because it's going to be very competitive.
Speaker 2:No that definitely will put him in the running too. I agree with that. That's it, man. Let's jump over to something a little more controversial. Bang on college football. So we've been trying to figure it. I'm glad you're here, Justin. So what do you think about the AP poll? We know they're not accurate. We know that, you know there's different way systems for the college football playoff or what not, but as it is now. What do you? What would you change based on the top 25 teams?
Speaker 4:From what I've seen to me, I still don't understand how IU ain't the top 10 team.
Speaker 4:Okay, so I struggle with that to a degree, I think, strength of schedule, but nonetheless I get it, but again, just watching how they play, how they're winning I mean they dominated Washington this past weekend with their backup quarterback in Defense is playing well, it's just how they're playing. Again, I'm not saying they're the best team in the country or anything, but like, for example, how is Georgia 2? And I know everybody always goes back to oh conference, like man, you can miss me with that. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but come on now. Like they lost to Bama, right, right, okay, and Bama has lost. What? Two games now? Something like that yes, you know what I'm saying Like let's, I don't get how Georgia's two and then, for example, ohio State is four, but Ohio State lost to Oregon, which is the number one.
Speaker 3:You got to add some subjectivity to it. Do you think that if IU lined up against Georgia, do you think that IU will win that football game? Just based on what?
Speaker 4:you think. I don't know that they would win, but I think it would be competitive. That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3:I don't think any of the coaches, I don't think anybody who votes on the AP. I don't think anybody thinks that they would do that. I mean because you look at the losses but you also got to look at the wins too. Georgia went to Texas and beat the number one ranked team. Iu doesn't have a win, that's even a 20th of that.
Speaker 4:Here's the only thing, and just help me understand this. Then I understand that. But IU last year wouldn't. No one's gonna put them on their schedule anyway. You only got so many out of conference games anyway, right so it's not like IU.
Speaker 4:Was Gary be able to go? Man, I'm gonna go play the top. You know some top 10, top 15 teams and they're not getting that anyway. So we're kind of holding that against them To me. Like I had this conversation, I said this. I said to your point if people don't think they're going to be competitive, hopefully their quarterback gets back from I think it was a thumb injury or whatever If they go ahead and beat Michigan State and then Michigan and they're undefeated going in against Ohio State I'm not saying Ohio State is great, but according to most, Ohio State's one of the top five teams in the country, right, let's say they go out there and beat Ohio State. Are we still saying they can't compete with Georgia? Nah, Well, I mean, are we still saying they can't compete with those teams? I don't, I think.
Speaker 3:I probably still. I would still say, pick Alabama and Georgia over over IU regardless, but a lot of this is based on history, though, so I'm not saying that what, how I feel, is right by any means, because they have to know. So, like I don't want you to think that I'm saying that you're wrong. That's totally not what I'm saying. But if I was a betting man, I'm a. I'm a. I'm a lean towards like tradition, I'm a betting man, I'm going to lean towards tradition, I'm going to lean towards history. I'm going to throw all of that into the fact I cannot see in a million years, a million years, are you going into Texas, georgia, alabama and winning? I can't see that. Possibly because I've never seen it before. That could play a part in it, but I can't see it.
Speaker 4:I'll say this though, jake One I hate that some people get in based upon name. I hate that. I hate college football when they do that. I understand it, but I'm not a huge fan of it, because guess what, when you go based upon that, you're potentially robbing fans of the game. Uh-oh, that's Cinderella's story.
Speaker 3:Look, that's facts.
Speaker 2:But I think that's the reason why they expanded it to 12, though yeah building a program is part of college football.
Speaker 3:Like, you have to build a program, it's just like you aren't going to get the benefit of the doubt. You know, without having built a program, and you know we can see guys coming in and coming out. You know, without having built a program, and you know we can see guys coming in and coming out. You know this, that and the other. So I mean you're, you're right. Nothing you said is wrong, like at all. But I also see it from you know, the other side.
Speaker 3:It's just like all right, yeah, let let prove yourselves first, because, I mean, some people can say the same thing about, like, uh, army, I think they were undefeated. I don't know if they still are. I know Navy finally got the Army. Army, yeah, army is still undefeated. People can say that about them too. Like, oh well, army should be top five. Yeah, they're undefeated. But you know, let's just pump the brakes on it, and I think that's what the people that are voting for the polls are doing currently. But I tell you this, though Let me finish this though but if IU runs the table, iu controls it, they're going to be top ten.
Speaker 2:If they beat Ohio State, they will jump into the top ten.
Speaker 3:I think that's another reason why there is no rush to put them in the top ten, top five. If IU wins all their games, they will be in the playoff. If they lose one game, they're probably going to be in the playoff, Like so, if they beat us, go against Oregon in the conference championship and don't get obliterated. They'll probably still make that. So they have their chances. Everything is a clean slate for IU. Iu literally controls their destiny, and I mean, that's just that.
Speaker 4:But let me ask you this Everything is a clean slate for IU. Iu literally controls their destiny, and I mean that's just that. But let me ask you this though so like, even with that being said and I'm sorry to only say IU, just because you know, obviously home team you know you root for them to do well, but, for example, notre Dame is higher than them and they lost to what?
Speaker 4:was it? Northern Illinois, or whatever, right, mm-hmm? Okay, don't get me wrong. Notre Dame's strength of schedule is always pretty tough. They usually play a pretty good schedule, but they can do that because they're independent. Now, with that being said, though, I still don't see how you let's say, iu loses to Ohio.
Speaker 2:State they got. How do you keep them out? I mean, but Notre Dame also has three ranked wins.
Speaker 4:I just said, they got a tough. They always have a tough schedule.
Speaker 2:Oh, they have a tougher schedule that's what I'm saying With being Texas, a&m, louisville and Navy. I think that's the reason why they stay where they were, because they dropped, like when they lost to Northern Illinois. They dropped to like 22nd like and they were like eighth starting the season. So I mean they penalized them for it, but they really grinded back. I mean they blew out purdue, whatever miami, ohio, they beat by double digits. They, you know they barely beat louisville. But then they come back and dominate stanford, dominate Georgia Tech and dominate Navy.
Speaker 4:Like. I mean it's going to play itself out.
Speaker 2:No, I was going to say they just have to build themselves back. They just have to show that, hey look, we're better than what we showed against. You know Northern Illinois, and I think they did that.
Speaker 4:Because Bama has not looked impressive. Penn State has not looked impressive to me. I'll be honest. Miami has had some very shaky moments and I like them. They've had some very shaky moments, and Tennessee just looked bad.
Speaker 2:They had to really run up the score in the fourth quarter against what you call it, because that game was way closer than it is yep, they made it like you said.
Speaker 4:They made it look like florida state.
Speaker 2:They made it like a blowout, but like it wasn't, it wasn't, they were, it was 20. It was like 20 to 14 and going into the fourth quarter they scored all them touchdowns in the fourth quarter in garbage time, bro, and even like with like two minutes left, they were still breaking long runs and throwing the ball. Bro. They had to put up some points on Florida State because if they had won 20-14 against Florida State, they probably would have dropped at least two or three spots in the AP poll.
Speaker 4:And even Tennessee. Like I said, they started off hot.
Speaker 2:Then recently they do not look impressive.
Speaker 4:They don't look impressive anymore. Florida they started off hot, Then recently, I don't know. They do not look impressive. They don't look impressive anymore.
Speaker 2:Florida, they won 23-17. Arkansas that loss to Arkansas should really hurt them even more. I don't see how the Vanderbilt loss, how our Vanderbilt loss, is worse than their loss to Arkansas, nonetheless. But like, yeah, I don't know, that's tough. They have, like you said, since that first couple, three games against Chattanooga, nc State and Kent State. After that everything's been within ten points.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they haven't looked nearly like this jogger night that they were looking at in the first couple weeks, so I'll be curious. I'm going to be patient on that, jerry. Like you said, I'm going to wait to see how it plays out, that I'm going to be patient on that, Jared.
Speaker 2:like you said, I'm going to wait to see how it plays out.
Speaker 3:That's what we were saying last week too. They're in full control of it. Man, this ain't this, that new school.
Speaker 2:They're in full control of their and you know what Really everybody is, because Tennessee still gets Georgia and Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:So we'll see where they really are compared to Alabama Playing the same teams. Let's see how they stack up. You look at, we was talking about Penn State. You look at Penn State. They get Ohio State this weekend, so that will be their test. We've been saying we don't know how they are. Ohio State is the test and for a lot of these Big Ten teams, ohio State is going to be the test. Now, jerryerry, you've been talking about how state like, yeah, like they can lose any one of these games, but they're the test right now in the big 10 and they have been for the few for the past couple years. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, actually ohio state. They scare me. I'm I'm not sold on them, it's. It's that that was another team where I don't and I team where, I'll be honest with you, I don't even know what it is, but it's almost like they wait to start playing. You know what I'm saying. I've watched them a couple times. I look and I'm like what are y'all doing? Y'all have opportunities to take control of the game and they don't. I don't know, I can't say I sit and watch every week of Ohio State just because a lot of the schools. I'll be honest, the first couple of weeks I don't watch none of them because they don't play nobody. You know there's a few teams this year who had some good games earlier in the year that I started off watching but, like Ohio State, I'm just now starting to watch. So you know, I don't know if I may have missed something in those first couple of weeks when they were playing. You know, North central on him, or whatever, but like, but, yeah, like, but they just got talent.
Speaker 2:Up into the Oregon game. They dominated everybody.
Speaker 4:Jared, what game was that where Ohio State they were playing and it was shoot, was it? The might have been like a Marshall game or something Y'all were playing around for like two quarters or something, bro, and I'm like what are y'all doing? You know what I'm saying that's what I'm talking about. What are they doing? Come on, y'all doing. You know what I'm saying. That's what I'm talking about. What are they doing? Come on y'all.
Speaker 4:Y'all too talented for this. You know what I'm saying. Again, in score it looked a lot worse, but, like I said, I think it was the first quarter and a half or something, if I ain't mistaken, that I watched them. They let them stick around, but again they get Penn State this weekend.
Speaker 2:So this will really be. This will really show us In the big team. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3:I don't think Penn State's any good. Penn State's not any good man.
Speaker 4:If we go for a dog Penn State.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to feel any more confident about Nah. But see, I'm also not a. If you win the game, bro, you want like bro. It's a lot more than that. Because, like, my thing is this Say the Oregon game, say we don't fuck it up in the last second. If we don't field goal, we win the game.
Speaker 3:Am I going to feel any more confident about that team because we won by what? We won by two, instead of losing by one? No, it's the same game. That's why I don't get so caught up in the wins and losses. Obviously you've got to win games to keep advancing, but how did they play? It just doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:So that one-point loss that doesn't make me feel any worse or better about the team than it is. Like I don't think we're tough, we're not mentally strong, our coaching is terrible, like I don't know what, like we don't use our running backs, like I mean it's a whole lot of, it's a list. It goes on and on, and on, and on, and on, and and hell, if we had got that kickoff and beat Oregon, I wouldn't have felt any different. Maybe I'm just oddball, like, maybe I'm just odd, but the way I look at teams and the way I look at my team's performances like you lose by one, but you play horribly. You win by two, you play horrible. It's the same game. It's the same game, so I don't really put too much into it. I don't really take enough. You know a whole lot from it either, so I don't know. That's just me.
Speaker 2:I say, keep his school name. How y'all mouth is real smooth.
Speaker 3:We can't talk about sports subjectively because, like You're talking about India, we're just talking sports.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've been giving them props.
Speaker 3:Nobody said anything bad. That's what I'm saying. It's all right.
Speaker 2:Nobody said anything he's being.
Speaker 4:Can I ask you all a question? This is for either one of y'all, absolutely and I'm not saying this because I'm a fan of them or any of that but I'm just curious because I saw in that AP poll where now they're ranked. Is there any way they find a way to get Colorado in that playoff? Because all their games, these last four games, are all winnable, so they would end like 10-2.
Speaker 2:I guess it depends on, I think, if they, they will have to win the Big 12 championship.
Speaker 4:Yeah, if they win that, then you guys think there could be a shot for them to get in. If they win that, they're in, they're in it for sure if they win the conference.
Speaker 3:For sure, if they win the conference, they're in.
Speaker 2:That's an automatic bid yeah. That's an automatic bid. All the conference championship winners are automatic.
Speaker 3:Well, not all of them, Just the top five. Well, top five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah the tops, yeah the Big Ten.
Speaker 3:The SEC, the ACC and the Big 12. Yeah, so that's their key.
Speaker 4:I didn't know. The Big 12 was one of the automatic boys. Okay, yep, no. The Big 12 was one of the automatic boys.
Speaker 2:Okay, yep, okay, no if they run the table, which that Utah game will be tough, yeah. And now Oklahoma State, yeah, no, definitely winnable, but Utah, oh, they're not at Utah. So they made, yeah, they definitely got, a chance there. They're not going to Utah so, yeah, no, because Utah plays different at home. They got one of the best home workers in college every year. Oklahoma State is, you know, last game of the season, but they another just tough team in the Big 12. So, nah, absolutely, but they'll have to. They'll end up having to play BYU, though, if BYU but BYU schedule again is the same thing Utah, kansas, arizona State and Houston, so it may come down to Colorado and BYU.
Speaker 4:Which BYU's top ten right now? Right, Mm-hmm, BYU's ninth? Damn are they? Mm-hmm, they're like nine or something. I think they're like nine or something.
Speaker 2:They're ninth yeah.
Speaker 4:God damn, I didn't know that yeah, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But then it, oh, you know what, you know what may be the you know, what may nope Iowa State. Are they good? Yeah, they undefeated too.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So Iowa State right now is 11th they big two of also. Oh, still a winnable game, though.
Speaker 3:But they don't play. Oh okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying BYU, don't play Iowa State.
Speaker 4:Or Colorado.
Speaker 2:Neither one of them play. They don't play each other, so nobody can get the upper hand. And right now, with Colorado having two losses, you need You're going to need some help to get into that championship game.
Speaker 4:So they're not going to get in the championship game. That's what that sounds like. Unless one of them teams loses the game Well.
Speaker 3:Nebraska wasn't a conference game, so they only have one conference loss, Right Well?
Speaker 2:I know, oh, Kansas State. So you got BYU ahead of them Right now in the Big 12 ranking standards. You got BYU first, Iowa State second, Kansas State is 4-1, and Colorado is 4-1. That's all. Conference play Overall records BYU 8-0, Iowa State 8-0, Kansas State 7-1, and Colorado 6-2. They need some losses ahead. Kansas State needs to at least lose one more. We'll see. They already lost to Kansas State. No, that wouldn't even. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be hard for them to get in the Big 12 championship.
Speaker 4:That don't sound like they're going to win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Iowa State or Kansas State will have to lose three games and they will have to win out. That's the only way. Although I will say this, unless they make it in at 12.
Speaker 4:Well, kansas State plays Iowa State, so one of them, so one of them, so they play, and if I'm not mistaken, here Iowa State plays Texas Tech, which that's always awkward to play, and then they also play Cincinnati. Who ain't bad?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they would need those three. That would have to be their three losses.
Speaker 4:And they play Utah matter of fact, and if I ain't mistaken, it's at Utah Yep, so okay. Iowa State got some hurdles ahead of them, but BYU not so much Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Kansas State. Like I said, they will still need maybe a loss to Cincinnati, okay, okay, okay. So if they lose to Cincinnati and, like I said, lose to Iowa State and then Iowa State loses to Cincinnati and Utah, then if Buffalo, I'm Buffalo. If the Buffaloes win out, that's the only way I see them getting in. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:It's a long shot but, it is impossible, it's a very long shot.
Speaker 2:No, it's not impossible at all, with them already having two losses. If they went out, you got a 7-1 Texas A&M team. We've got a tough schedule ahead of them. Tennessee got a tough schedule ahead of them at 6-2. Notre Dame they can't lose no more. Clemson at 6-1. Yep, they get pit. They got some tough. They got pit. They got South Carolina. They got pit. They got South Carolina. They got Louisville coming up this weekend. So if they lose two more games, any of them teams get three losses and the Colorado stay at two, they can easily jump up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Clemson got a jump up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Clemson got a jump up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like a lot of these teams that's ahead of them, they got one loss, got some tough schedules ahead of. Uh, they would also probably need, like you know, the army to lose some of these other seven and one teams and stuff to lose.
Speaker 4:Texas, texas play too, don't they? At the end of the year?
Speaker 2:yep. So these smus and the armies and the pits and stuff, they don't have to have some some, some random bad losses in order for Colorado to jump up there, because Colorado's 23rd right now. And then you've got a 6-2 Bama team too, who got a tough schedule. So, yeah, there's going to be some cards shuffling, but they need some of these pretenders to leave out the top 10 to jump up some Games to watch. This week, man, we got a couple of them. Of course, the Ohio State-Penn State game Supposed to be good, hopefully good Oregon-Michigan. I don't want to sleep on Michigan, michigan's Michigan, even though they're 5-3 and 2-2 in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3:Them versus Oregon. Where is that at? Is that in Michigan or is that in Oregon? That is at the Big.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's at Michigan, michigan. So again another element to that.
Speaker 3:They got a chance.
Speaker 2:Oregon is not that good, that's what I'm saying, I mean, and Michigan is tough. Michigan is, I mean, even though they're not ranked and they haven't had the best season.
Speaker 3:Well, a tough defense gets Oregon out of there. And this is not me hating, this is me being completely subjective, like I just have. If somebody can point to the victory that just like, oh yeah, they're a real deal, then I'm all ears. But I haven't seen it. I just haven't seen it. I just haven't seen it. I agree with that and I think the fact that I've seen all their games is just I just 35 to nothing. I mean, against Purdue was kind of under. That was underwhelming. It's like man y'all supposed to put 50 on them. You know Notre Dame did so that's is my opinion. I think that's a winnable game for Michigan.
Speaker 2:I agree Michigan's going to run the ball.
Speaker 3:They're going to play tough defense and it's like a lot of it is just being tough because a lot of people say Ohio State's a finesse team, which we are. We have no toughness whatsoever. Oregon is not one of them teams that's tough either. They're finessed, they're fast, they're quick, but if you can run the ball and be physical with them on the line of scrimmage, you got a chance against Oregon. So I'm just going to put that out there. We'll see how it unfolds.
Speaker 2:Yep, we were just talking about that Texas Tech-Iowa State game. It's in Iowa, texas A&M in South Carolina. That's going to be an important game. Texas Tech has to win that Louisville and Clemson.
Speaker 4:Don't sleep on that Miami and Duke game.
Speaker 2:Fucking football. Well, Duke is 6-2. Is Duke beat? Miami that's going to have some ramifications down the line. Ole Miss and Arkansas there's a lot of tough games out here Louisville and Clemson that's an important game Tennessee and Kentucky. Even though Kentucky's been sucking, tennessee needs to dominate that game.
Speaker 4:Ole Miss and Arkansas Yep.
Speaker 2:And then Pitt and SMU for the ACC SMU 7-1, Pitt 7-0. Again, that may decide who's going to compete in the ACC for the ACC championship too.
Speaker 4:Jared, check out a couple minutes of that Duke-Miami game. I'm just curious to see your thoughts. Duke got a I think he's a sophomore, a true sophomore quarterback, malik Murphy. Okay, check him out. Who are their losses to? Who did they lose to?
Speaker 2:I can let you know right now.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They lost to Georgia Tech and SMU, and SMU was in overtime by one point.
Speaker 4:Yeah, SMU's deep. That was an overtime loss and Georgia.
Speaker 2:Tech is.
Speaker 4:That's an overtime loss by one point you that was an overtime loss and Georgia Tech is that was an overtime loss at one point. You know they different, so that can give you some issues with Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But yeah, no, I'll check it out.
Speaker 2:That's going to be. I mean they are competing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, malik Murphy, yeah, he's nice, he's not.
Speaker 2:Almost 60% completion rate 17 TDs to five interceptions.
Speaker 4:Physically. When you see him you're like okay, you like what you see. It's that next step that you see with a lot of talented kids, of like all right, let's see how you get through these progressions, let's see how you start to understand and get that feel for it. But again, like I said, he's a sophomore, so continue to see him develop. Yeah, I'll be very curious If I'm Duke, I'm not tripping. I see why. You know, if they can recruit which I know they can't for football they just can't ever get it right but if they can get a little bit of talent in there, they got to take advantage. When they get kids like that you know quarterbacks like that in today's system they got to take advantage of that.
Speaker 2:I agree. Okay, all right. So, last but not least, grown man league.
Speaker 3:Boo. I'm so over. The NFL dog Shut up. I can't even. It's hard. The NFL dog Shut up, it's hard to watch, man.
Speaker 2:All right, man, let's just get this out the way. So, coach.
Speaker 3:Bench Richardson. All right To the surprise, of Surprise To the surprise of Surprise.
Speaker 2:I'm not surprised Only because I've never seen a QB tap his cell phone.
Speaker 3:Or I've never seen that. I've never seen that Like even in Little League, when the quarterback runs all the way to the sideline and get the play, then runs to the huddle, run the play Run to. Like I've never seen a quarterback tap out of the game, never seen that and then gives the excuse that he's tired.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was an excuse. I think he was just too honest. No, no, and that's it Like.
Speaker 3:At that point you lie In that situation, bro, just like just take a seat, like grab something, bro Just lie. Or you just muscle through it, Like if they call a throw like a passing play, Just run it, just check it. But the next play, when Flecko went in, they didn't hear them. Bro, but they ran the ball Because the quarterback wasn't warm.
Speaker 2:You don't expect your quarterback to be warm. Yeah, no, I'm just saying. I'm like just Back up, Get set You're on the ball Get set, you're right. Right.
Speaker 3:Because nobody's ever seen that, bro, nobody's ever seen that.
Speaker 4:Can I say this, though, I'm just being real I think that Anthony Richardson, mentally, is struggling. I think that with the struggles that were happening this game, last game and even throughout the year, he's struggling. I'll be honest, I think it's unfair to him the way that he's been portrayed and put out there. I know a lot of Colts fans and I always ask them so what changed from last year, before he got hurt, to now? I said you guys got so hype about a small sample size, about a kid. I said he's still the youngest quarterback in the NFL and I blame franchises like the Colts for ruining these guys, because you got to hope you can get this dude's confidence back, because they're probably ruining him, unfortunately. I get the benching, but let's just be real coming out with his history. He should it should have been a green bay approach two years sitting, watching, learning and getting through that, so that that kid had time to develop.
Speaker 4:He hadn't played I mean, he didn't play much football, bro. So what are people expecting? Like it's the nfl. For a reason, bro, you ain't coming straight out of high school and starting a quarterback in the nfl man, and he didn't play much football, bro. So what are people expecting, like it's the NFL. For a reason, bro, you ain't coming straight out of high school and starting a quarterback in the NFL, man, and that's.
Speaker 3:You're not a killer in college Like yeah, that part.
Speaker 2:So so.
Speaker 4:Dave Daniels was a killer, joe.
Speaker 3:Burrow was a killer.
Speaker 4:And they had experience.
Speaker 3:They had starts Like they were top of the like cream of the crop in college. Yeah, they had starts.
Speaker 3:I think it was unfair and Justin, we talked about this I think it was unfair to draft him that high. We kept trying to say it. He is not number four or number whatever, number five overall. There's no way you picked that guy that high. And I think for this city it wasn't a match because he was behind. Let's be real, he was behind the eight ball immediately yeah, immediately when they called his name. You were already back, whereas if you were you know anywhere, if you would have went to the, not saying the Chargers needed a quarterback, but if you would have went somewhere where there ain't a whole lot of expectation because, like, contrary to popular belief, there expectation because, like, contrary to popular belief, there's expectation for the coast. People here want to win.
Speaker 2:They expect to win every year, regardless because we've been, we've been spoiled, we've been spoiled. We're now one of those spoiled fan bases because we had 20 years of great quarterback play exactly this just was not the place for anthony richardson, it just wasn't and I and I think what's?
Speaker 2:I think like, I think you because he, if nothing else, because he took yourself out. You have to bench him because you gave up on your team and as professional players, they don't care if it's for one play. They don't care if it's for one play. Everybody else is out there fighting and you gave up for one play. You can't do that, bro, In a game that could have tied you for the division lead. You got everybody's hurting, injured people fighting back from injuries, Buckner, Taylor, all these guys are getting back because of the potential of you and what this team could do. We done paid everybody. So everybody who's a veteran that's been on the team, that's proven their worth, has gotten paid. And now we bring you in to try to push, to try to get a playoff spot and you tap yourself out. Nonetheless, Never seen that before, bro. Nonetheless, like Ryan Kelly said, the best is like dude, like we're all out here fighting.
Speaker 3:Damn Ryan, Like everybody's tired the center.
Speaker 2:Then we're all out here fighting bro, that just can't happen. And we understand, hey, we all get tired, you know. So on and so forth. I don't think it was a physical tire. It wasn't a physical tire, no no, I know what you're saying, because everything you said has been correct. I think you got to. He's behind the ball nonetheless, because last year again, he's still a rookie technically. Yeah, technically he's still a rookie, oh.
Speaker 3:Grand Slam Yankees. Sorry y'all who hit it.
Speaker 4:Did Judge finally get a hit?
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on Hold on Hold on Anthony Yankee Price Stanton.
Speaker 4:I was going to say Price, stanton or somebody.
Speaker 3:Man, they need it that bad, bro. They need it that bad. They're a 5- or somebody man they need it that bad, bro. They need it. That bad. They're a 5-2 now, Sorry y'all, Nah you good, Nah you good.
Speaker 4:Hey, because my man came out and hit another home run today for the Dodgers. Freddie Freeman, freddie Freeman, every game. I said every game bro. I said man at this game, walk that man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for real Walk that man For real, every game.
Speaker 2:If he has a man on walk him Please, man man man.
Speaker 4:But I think it's that mental I think.
Speaker 2:I think right now, while you got a competent quarterback, it's time to learn. We've given we, we, we try to. We've tried to just use your ability to to to get us through, but we're seeing that we need more than just your ability. Your ability is just not going to be enough. Your god-given talent is just not enough, right? So what you need to do now is to learn how to play quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4:That's what you need to learn how to do. Your problem is you're going backwards. Now I don't think he can come back as a Colt and be an effective quarterback.
Speaker 3:I think the slope is slipperier.
Speaker 2:I know that's not a word, it's going to be tough, think it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough, but this will show Either you are or you're not, because Right now you're only Year two out of four year contract as a rookie contract With a fifth year option. It's the psychology I know and I get psychologically. But psychologically you've already checked out. So you need to sit on the bench.
Speaker 3:You can say the same thing about the guys.
Speaker 2:You better not have checked out. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3:Don't reflect. You're checking out my nigga Exactly.
Speaker 2:Somebody has to somebody has to teach him how how to play quarterback like he has to learn.
Speaker 3:He has to learn how to play in the on the nfl level that was gonna be my next point, because, like, who in indianapolis is working with him?
Speaker 2:like, I mean, you got stiking exactly, but you got to bring in somebody who specializes in arm talent and like who knows the game, somebody, an Oloski, somebody who just knows quarterbacks Right and who can just show him how to read progressions, how to make the first read, how to, you know, set his feet quicker to make the easy throws. You know what I mean? Like all that stuff, just the little nuances that he's just missing on, and it's the separation between us beating the Texans twice and leading the AFC South right now, and us now possibly could be on the outs of a wild card.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. See, but here was the thing. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying that you. That's what should have happened when they drafted him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you had nothing else though, yes, you did.
Speaker 4:You could have started Minshew. Minshew went back.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, minshew basically started all year.
Speaker 3:So you should have started him from the beginning, but that don't mean you waste a top five pick On a guy who's not proven.
Speaker 4:Yes, Mentally they killed the young man and I'll even go as far as saying this If you were going to reach the way they reached for Anthony Richardson, there is not no one quarterback guru that you bring in. I'm going to be real, from my understanding with some of that, I don't care which person you brought in. I always said this with the Colts as far as when they took the kid, you got to get somebody who's played the position and physically would understand what it is for someone like that. Physically I know they wouldn't do it, but I said they should have probably brought in I know it sounds crazy Cam Newton, not to play, but to bring Cam Newton in because Cam understood it.
Speaker 4:Number one pick, the pressure that comes physically very similar. It would have helped Anthony Richardson. No, I agree, they think, oh, like you said, we're just going to try to win off his talent. Everybody can't do that. And all these guys that we talk about, whether it's from the Mahomes, the Lamars, any of these kids, joe Burrows, they played, they had a lot of starts in college, we're not talking about guys who had 13 games in college.
Speaker 4:No, these guys played and were successful.
Speaker 2:Like jerry said, they were killers in college elite and another and another thing also like and I put this on the coaching staff I think they try to make richardson play their style of football instead of catering to what he does Because we don't run the ball nearly enough. No, you don't.
Speaker 4:You don't Nearly enough, nearly as much as you should.
Speaker 3:Fast, nearly enough.
Speaker 4:Fast, yep Fast.
Speaker 2:So, like, the strength of our team is our offensive line and our run game, and we don't run it enough. Nope, Like at all. Like. There's no reason why Taylor shouldn't be. He just paid me. There's no reason why he shouldn't be getting 25 carries a game. You see, where Henry get Like Baltimore.
Speaker 3:Mainly a running team that's another thing you need to talk about, justin. He ain't getting what he need to get either. No, no, no. He ain't getting what he need to get either. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm just saying In general, your best player on offense is your running back Running ball. And you got one of the best offensive linemen In the league Running the ball.
Speaker 3:And you can also run your quarterback and do it right.
Speaker 2:Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3:Gets a lot of runs and he's soft as shit he ain't taking no hits.
Speaker 4:I mean, he don't even run, he don't even run.
Speaker 3:Jalen Hurts. But he gets it. He gets it in so you can design runs for your quarterback that he ain't just exposed to, you know, the strong safety just going to go by his head. I mean, look at it, look first. Now quarterback that he ain't just exposed to the strong safety just going up by his head.
Speaker 2:Look on first down. I don't even care if you know what we're doing. First down, we're running the ball over Taylor. Based on the situation, the next player is going to be an RPO quarterback run option. Either I can hand it off to Taylor, I can run it myself, or I can throw a quick pass and then on third down. We will Third down play If it's third and long. Whatever, we'll play third down, based on the situation too, how close we are to the first down.
Speaker 3:How are teams playing y'all? Are they keeping a lot in the box? I didn't really pay too much attention.
Speaker 2:But we got five tight bro big package our formation, like there's a lot of creative ways to run the ball no and we've seen they selling out against the run.
Speaker 3:You can't just run it if they selling out against it, like with as bad as as nobody's putting eight in the box.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen eight in the box In a long time in the NFL.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure the safeties aren't just Super deep. They're not playing too high Against the Colts. I haven't even really Watched that much. I know teams.
Speaker 2:With the way Alex Pierce been stretching the field.
Speaker 3:You got to. I mean, if you say they are, then you got it, but I can't. I wouldn't play too high against the Colts.
Speaker 2:But when you're not afraid of them running the ball because they don't run it enough, you can run it too high Point. So, yeah, that's just my whole thing.
Speaker 3:If y'all aren't running the ball then. But I don't see how a team could come out against the Colts and just be like forcing the run, Like when I would definitely try to make him read defenses and pass, but I'm just, I'm on the couch, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Don't y'all just hate that. Yeah, you're on the couch, you don't know Like bro, if everybody that knows about football was coaching.
Speaker 3:We wouldn't have no teachers, we wouldn't have no doctors, we wouldn't have no accountant, we wouldn't have anything? No, nothing, just because you don't know football. Like I wish people would just get that out of their head. But I digress on that too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you ain't.
Speaker 2:All right but moving right along, man Ravens trade for Deontay Johnson. What you think, man, justin, is that a good trade for y'all? Let me start.
Speaker 3:Shout out to a team that's doing well and actually trying to continue to get better must be nice. You got other teams out here that fucking suck and ain't doing shit. Go ahead, justin, my bad da, da hey.
Speaker 2:Um, I'll say this for what they gave up for him um, just a just a fifth pick next year, but they get a sixth-round pick back.
Speaker 4:They get a sixth back and that's the case. I'll say this I like the pickup because Nelson Aguilar's hands is terrible. I'll be honest, because Jared was already at this. Anybody who's watched Baltimore this year will see. For whatever reason and the numbers are so skew people don't want to hear it. They don't give Derrick Henry carries. Don't get it twisted. Last game I think he had 10 or 11 every game, like the first 2 weeks or 3 weeks he wasn't getting carries. He would break a long run and it made it. It's very deceptive. Again, I told you guys this last season and I'll say it again Todd Munkin's offense is going to doom them again in the playoffs because he loves passing the ball.
Speaker 4:You don't have those type of receivers. You don't have those type of receivers. You don't have that type of those pass catchers to do it. You don't even utilize Isaiah likely, so it's like you don't even know how to truly utilize the weapons. You do have hats off, because I think this helps them, cause I think Zay flowers gets better from this, because now you're not able to just key in on him and he's able to do a little bit more and you can move him around a little bit, move him around a little bit more like they want to. So I think that this is a good move for what they gave up and it's going to help their offense. Only a Todd monkeying starts being smarter about how to yeah, like you got, stop.
Speaker 4:You have Derrick Henry. You're not going to run him into the ground, bro, Like he should be a game in which Derrick Henry's not at least getting 15 carries At least. At least I would say 20. Hold on. That's why I said I'm going to be conservative, jer, 15 to 17. I'm going to say 15 to 17. That's crazy. And your game plan is flawed. Period period. I'm gonna say like that period.
Speaker 3:Yeah, buddy's having a great season, like I said, statistically. But y'all, y'all could be applying way more pressure on folk. If y'all, if y'all, go 100, it's like even with us, like until that, until that overtime, that long run, he probably had like 40-something yards, but he only had ran the ball, I think what 10, 11, 12 times and of course he's got a long one.
Speaker 3:at the end he ends up with, you know, 90-something, 100 yards or whatever he had. But like man, y'all could be applying way more pressure if y'all would hand home me the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, because our defense is suspect. I've been telling y'all that I mean I asked you. I told you yeah y'all can't really stop the pass. Yeah, y'all are the defense.
Speaker 4:I don't know it's like we don't have much of a defense. Like you said, we're decent against the rim, we're pretty solid, don't get me wrong. We've done a pretty good job with that. It trips me out because stop putting Roquan Smith one-on-one with these daggone quick running backs. Stop, he's not that, he's not that. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 4:They didn't address what needed to be addressed in the secondary. They're going to continue to have problems. Guess what they're still going to. You're just like this past weekend where you're gonna be like how the heck did they lose again? It's Baltimore. That's how they lost. That's what they do under with Todd Munkin, which is why people said you crazy for saying, if I said John Harbaugh just may have kind of wore himself out in Baltimore, you might have just needed to get a, get somebody else in there. He might have just maximized what he could do with that team. And I'm not saying like he's a bad coach, I'm just saying he may have just peaked with that team because I still don't see them doing any damage in the playoffs. Because of how they call the plays. I don't see it. I mean Lamar is still dropping back like what, 30, 40 times a game. Like what are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that. Like I said, that pass defense is going to have to pump up and, like you said, you're going to have to run the ball more.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you ain't going nowhere. I don't think he's going to get to where he really would need to be running the ball, unfortunately. So I mean, I think the trade helps. It does give you a good pass catcher, he's a good route runner, all that. But anybody who's watched Baltimore they still depend on Lamar to be special week in, week out. Recipe for disaster come playoff time when the games matter, because I don't care how special you are, ain't one player going to win the game by itself. Got to have other guys show up as well. So that's part of my thing where I say I hate how they critique Lamar in the playoffs, not saying he's been this, that or the third, but you tell me somebody who's done it and showed her what he's had to and been successful by themselves throughout the playoffs. You're just not going to find it. We got to stop listening to these personalities, talk about these teams.
Speaker 3:I don't know if y'all listen to Shannon Sharp, but he's the worst talking about. The only thing he looks at is wins and losses, like I mean, bro, so the quarterback got to play defense too. Yeah, that part, that part, the quarterback kicking too, the quarterback calling plays on defense Quarterback.
Speaker 4:Got that holding that. You know that holding.
Speaker 3:Like the quarterback muffled the punt. He's just an idiot. A lot of these guys on TV are just. I don't even understand why or how they you know, that's why I can't watch it.
Speaker 4:I told you I can't watch none of the national media because they're so bad. Oh, jaden Daniels outplayed.
Speaker 3:Joe Burrow. Really, how is he supposed to win if the team doesn't get one stop? We didn't get one stop, we didn't stop them from scoring one possession, the entire game, bro. How? How is any quarterback in the history of the game supposed to win that game? How? It's not possible, bro, it's just not possible. Like it's just, you know, and he be talking about Lamar they lost. Like, bro, lamar is not playing corner, bro.
Speaker 4:No, I don't. And here's the thing Lamar didn't drop those five passes that they just dropped. Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 3:Lamar didn't miss one for eight on the last 50-yard plus, or whatever Justin Tucker was, which is crazy, that's crazy, that is crazy. I think Bucker took over the number one spot. He don't miss shit, he don't miss man.
Speaker 2:He's another kid from Dallas.
Speaker 4:Yeah, aubrey, aubrey's nice too yeah he's really nice. Yeah, he's nice. He's nice that joker got a boot on him. Boy, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, we're forced to watch Dallas Cowboy in proud time every season. So I see it. Yeah, nah him, he nice he's next.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah he's definitely next.
Speaker 2:Last but not least, man Diggs out with a torn ACL man, Unfortunate man, Unfortunate, After eight games. Yeah, Another injury boy. I know. Luckily Texans got a million receivers.
Speaker 3:But is Nico Collins still out though?
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's going to be out in a little minute, man, you know them hamstrings, man, that soft tissue stuff, boy, ain't no joke.
Speaker 3:You can't rush that back, I'm about to go buy some Tank Dell cards right now.
Speaker 2:I was about to say you get Tank Dell, you got John Meachie, robert Woods, like they still got some guys out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it ain't the same, though.
Speaker 2:No, no, not the same, I'm just saying, I mean, they still got some guys.
Speaker 4:They're not naked. But the problem is they don't have that guy, and their main problem in Houston has been their offensive line has been bad. Their offensive line hasn't given CJ no time to do anything, so he be getting pounded paused.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like y'all actually do a good job of nothing. He takes some of the hardest hits and tackles and pressures against y'all. Y'all be fucking CJ, stroud up.
Speaker 4:I'll be like yeah, yeah, colts, get at him. I don't know why or how, and even his past game.
Speaker 2:The reason why the score was close is because our defense showed up that game.
Speaker 4:They definitely showed up, but it was just like I said, now, vernon, I'm going to tell you this. That goes to show you how important freaking Buckner is for that defense.
Speaker 2:No, oh, absolutely. Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 4:Absolutely that dude, yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2:That dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely no, no A healthy Buckner is still a problem. Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I 1,000% agree with that I don't know Nothing about nobody being a problem on defense. I can't relate.
Speaker 4:According to the national media, jared Hendrickson. Is it Hendrickstray? Hendrickstray? Yeah, he's a problem. According to them.
Speaker 3:And it's crazy because I think he was first-team All-Pro. But my thing is this this is Hendrickson.
Speaker 4:Hendrickson. Hendrickson, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:First-team All-Pro. My thing is this he just doesn't bring the heat consistently. He'll get his sack a game, but like bro that's the only positive thing that he's done. Like he doesn't control it, he don't play the run he don't play the run at all, Like he's not going to get any tackles for losses. He actually whiffs on a lot of sacks and tackles behind the line.
Speaker 2:He gets too far. I've noticed with him he gets too far outfield on run. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Also that too. Also he had, I already had 13, because let's see Hurts only dropped back. I want to say 20 times. It might have been less than that. He might have been 12 for 16 or 16 for 20, I think he was.
Speaker 3:So he had 13 opportunities one-on-one against the backup left tackle and he had one pressure, no sacks. One pressure, Bro, that's not good, that's not good. Like that's not good, that's not good, like that's not good. At least out of those 13 one-on-one opportunities, I mean you should have maybe five or six pressures and at least a sack. Like you didn't catch him slipping that one time and you're a veteran, that's not good. So, like I don't know what you know, he'll get 16 sacks over the course of the season. But he had 20 good reps, 16 of those. He probably had four additional, like you know, maybe back downs or that's it. Though like so I, I don't know, man, I, I don't know, I don't know, I just I can't call it. But yeah, he gets upfield a lot and it'll just the lanes will just be wide open. I mean I can't. I don't know how many times we'll have somebody dead to rights in the backfield and then let them escape four or five yards. It's the sickest shit ever. Yet we're just deciding not to make any moves.
Speaker 3:It's just man, like I said earlier, I'm like man. The NFL they got to come up with a competition committee. They got to have somebody. They look at everything else. They need to have somebody looking into why these teams consistently underperform. You know you should. You should have to spend a certain amount of money. You should have to like or sell a team. Bro, we're not trying to take anything from you, but if you're not going to do what it takes to put a competitive roster on a field, you should not be able to own NFL team, just like you've got to have a minimum amount of money to own an NFL team. You got to have certain things to be an NFL owner. You should have to compete, you should have to be willing to pay players to win games or you can't own an NFL team.
Speaker 4:I think they do have to have a certain percentage of their cap used up each year man, I the shit, I but use it.
Speaker 3:Then we got cap and we're losing and I can even see if we're under if we don't have the, you know, with Joe Burrow. Somebody said this I was talking to my homeboy Race and he's just like well, yeah, you know, joe Burrow got the same you know resume as Jalen Hurst and I'm just like hold up, man, if you put Joe Burrow on the fucking Eagles, bro, you're the best team ever. Like, come on, man. Like you know I was. Just I had to think about it Cause it didn't hit me immediately, but I'm just like wait a minute, as of now, y'all got y'all got eight.
Speaker 2:Y'all got 8.9 million in cash.
Speaker 3:Bro, and then nobody told y'all to pay Hendrickson and Hubbard, nobody told them to do that. Nobody told them to draft Miles Murphy, which is doing nothing. Nobody told them to draft any of the guys we've drafted the last three years. They're all doing nothing. We have zero production from anybody we've drafted since we went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4:You can't miss on draft picks, year in, year out.
Speaker 3:We constantly miss, bro, constantly miss. I mean you can't even get first rounders right. I can even see if you got your first rounder right every year and then everybody else all right, whatever. At least that's three positions that we're locked up in Like we got. You know, we good, you know, if we draft one first round, you know first round every year and they turn out, we got one position sold up every year by now. We should be good. We have no defensive threats, none. I mean it's like they just put Chase Higgins and Burrow out there and just shit, whatever. Go crazy, I got to go win it, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's our strategy. Yeah, just go crazy. Then they did something else, and I don't want this to turn into a Bengals podcast, so I'm going to end it here. They did something crazy. So it was a fourth and two. We were in our territory, it was towards the end of the game. We needed to school, we needed to, we needed a score bad. So they do this little thing with chase. Granted, there's no t higgins, so chase is number one, number one, number one, number one, number one. They do this little motion where he goes and he kind of does a zigzag behind joe burrow, like, like, like he's gonna get lost in coverage. Bro, you're the number one receiver. How are you going to diddle-daddle with the number one receiver? Like the defense is just going to lose track of where he is. So I'm like I'm knowing, okay, he's doing all that. They're going to go the opposite way. Of course he goes to the flat. They just throw it to him. He's just going to be wide open in the flat. Number one receiver. On sports media.
Speaker 3:Our own territory. I'm just like bro. And another thing, one more thing. This is another thing that drives me crazy.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we got Charlie Jones out of Purdue he was the leading receiver in the country, somewhere like that, coming out of college so we draft him. Okay, so we have him returning punts and kickoffs right. So that means he's a wide receiver. He returns punts and kickoffs right. So that means he's a wide receiver. He returns punts to kick off.
Speaker 3:So I'm thinking, okay, somebody thinks on the bingles, thinks, okay, well, he's fast, he's shifty, you know he, he has good acceleration. You have to have all those qualities to return punts and kicks right. You would think, right, yeah, we can't, we can't, we can't get a package on, he can't get on the field. He ain ain't had one offensive snap, I don't think all year. What are we doing? How are you putting a wide receiver? You're saying, okay, we trust this guy to catch punts, so that means his hands are pure, he's got to be shifty, he's got to be fast, he's got to have good acceleration, but he can't get any opportunities in open field on offense. Good acceleration, but he can't get any opportunities in open field on offense. What are we doing, bro, what are we doing? Next topic, that's it man.
Speaker 4:We just pick them, man. Hey, not to mention though, vernon I know you heard this too All the hype that the National League was putting around your man, jermaine Burton. You would have thought he was the second coming.
Speaker 3:We've probably thrown the ball to him like three times all year bro. We've probably thrown the ball to him like three times bro.
Speaker 4:It's just funny how they play up those things. That's all bro.
Speaker 3:He hasn't even had any opportunities, though that's another thing.
Speaker 4:More.
Speaker 2:So to my point I'm like the same thing with what you call it an indie.
Speaker 4:Who? Adnan Mitchell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same thing. Oh man, he got great training camp, great mini camp. Oh man, he look like he could definitely be on with this receiver group. And this man drops the ball more than anybody. It's scary.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he got to get that jug machine. He got to hit that a little bit more, yeah, he needs to get hit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what jug machine he got to hit that a little bit more.
Speaker 2:He needs to get hit, because any time a defender is anywhere remotely in the area, bro, he's not catching it. He hears footsteps and on Mitchell, and on Mitchell.
Speaker 3:I'm tapped in, sorry y'all. Yeah, nah you good.
Speaker 4:Talented, Talented dude.
Speaker 2:He's dropped too many passes that he shouldn't have this year so far, but yeah yeah, but no, man, let's jump into these pick-em records real quick and get out of here. Man, I had a horrible week Six and ten last week. Jeez, Jerry, you went 12 and four. Ike went 13-3. Justin 11-5. Overall records, man, I'm 66-57. Jerry you are 76-47. Justin 75-48.
Speaker 2:I mean Ike is 81-43. That's what's up. I already put my picks in for this week. I just heard of and do it. I didn't do it. Let me just go and get these things in here because, yeah, I've been sucking it up. No hold on, but yeah. So I don't know, man, if y'all want to get ready to put y'alls in man we can go through these games real quick.
Speaker 4:Hold on, let me get to the chat real quick.
Speaker 3:Alright, I'm ready, I'm in.
Speaker 2:So Thursday night we got Texans at the Jets.
Speaker 3:Texans.
Speaker 2:I'm not even going to say who I picked, because it don't even matter now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going Texans, defund the freaking Jets. I'm not even going to say who I pick, because it don't even matter now. Yeah, I'm going Texans, defund the freaking Jets. I'm tired, get them out of here.
Speaker 3:Out of here, bro. I don't want to hear nothing. I bet Wilson is like, hmm, yep. My house is full of guys, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Colts and Vikings.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, vikings, Sorry bro.
Speaker 2:That's okay, no need to be sorry. Cowboys Falcons.
Speaker 4:Boy, don't mention Cowboys either boy.
Speaker 3:I don't wear them, they do. I'm a go Dallas, bro, they do.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing. The problem with that game is, if you tell me Micah Parsons is playing, I can get on board. No Parsons, no Demarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 3:Yes, I see.
Speaker 4:It's just I can't like. My pick is dependent upon them playing, so I have to go Falcons, and if I find out that they playing I could switch that, but I go Falcons for now.
Speaker 2:Dolphins.
Speaker 3:Bills, bills. The two is back. I mean, at least they scored.
Speaker 2:It's in.
Speaker 3:Buffalo. Yeah, I'm going to go Bills.
Speaker 4:Nice, it's in Buffalo. Yep, you know what I'm going to go against the grain? I'm going to go Miami, just because if they lose this, their season's done.
Speaker 2:They literally have.
Speaker 3:They can't lose this divisional game Raiders-Bengals and Cincy, we 0-4,. So that don't matter, we 0-4 at the crib.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 3:I'm going Cincy, man, that shit's tough. I'm going to go Cincy too because, like same, like you said with Miami, bro, we don't win this.
Speaker 4:Bro, it's over. Yeah, your season's over. Yeah, real talk, your season's over it really is damn near over, unless something miraculous happens. I'll say this though, bro, about the division Look out, because Jameis Winston don't get me going on my Jameis train again If they had to put him in the game after his homeboy got hurt.
Speaker 3:We would have lost.
Speaker 4:Yep, but their season's totally different. They should have benched Deshaun, even when he's healthy. I'm not going to go down that anyway because, jameis, I don't even know why my man ain't had no starting gig. He's one. I said the Colts should have went after like two, three years ago, vernon. I said one thing about Jameis Duke can throw the ball. He's one of them, guys.
Speaker 3:He's one of them cats, that's going to turn it over, but he's going to score. Though he's going to score. He's going to throw three or four touchdowns a game. He might throw a pick or two might be a fumble, but at least you give yourself a chance, like depending on your defense. Jameis gives he's going to score some points.
Speaker 4:But I only say that to say this though, jerry the season, our division's not, that division's not over, because Pittsburgh ain't really played nobody.
Speaker 3:And you know they play that whole.
Speaker 4:they already go through where they play Cincy Ravens Browns. They already go through some stuff.
Speaker 2:They about to go through the NFC. New York Gauntlet.
Speaker 4:They about to go through that gauntlet? They already go through that gauntlet. They're going to go through that gauntlet. Yep, they're going to go through that gauntlet, and I don't think I'm going to call them out. I don't think they are what people are thinking right now. I don't think they still got the Chiefs, though, too, don't they? Yeah, they still got. Yep, they still got to get the Chiefs too.
Speaker 3:They still got the Chargers. Well, the Chargers ain't shit, but they still got to play the Chargers, chargers-browns, next game Ooh that might actually be low-key. Good, that's going to be a good game. I'm going to go Browns Low-key. I'm going to go Browns too.
Speaker 4:That game before that you did say that was the Cincy Raiders game. Right, Cincy Raiders yeah, okay All right. So I got Bengals and I got Browns, all right.
Speaker 1:Ain't nobody watching that game man give me the Give me the Patriots.
Speaker 3:That's disgusting oh.
Speaker 4:Shout out to the Lions.
Speaker 3:For dropping 52 points on like 200 yards of total offense.
Speaker 4:Man, jared Goff, had three touchdowns. He was like 87 yards or something. Bro, what offense man. Jared Goff had three touchdowns. He was like 16 with 87 yards or something, bro what?
Speaker 3:52 points and your team had 225 yards total offense Crazy.
Speaker 2:Commanders Giants.
Speaker 3:Commanders. I don't know.
Speaker 4:That offense is the real deal. Cliff is OC of the year right now, if you ask me.
Speaker 3:But go ahead, he can have a job next year for sure. I hope we find our coach and get somebody. He's going to be a head coach again next year for sure, saints Panthers, I'm going to go.
Speaker 4:Saints, but yuck.
Speaker 3:Man, I want to see Bryce do good. So bad bro, you ain't got to be a Hall of Famer, but like, come on, my guy, I do but I just can't believe it because I think they ruined the kid.
Speaker 4:I think they ruined the kid. You brought him in and gave him nothing. Now he has no confidence and he's just out there.
Speaker 3:Nothing, bro. He has nothing, jonathan, you know he's your number one receiver.
Speaker 4:You are in trouble, buddy, your first year. I'm sorry, no, but people don't even know who that is.
Speaker 3:That's true, I only know who he is because he went to school, because of cards. But who did you say, bro? He went to Ole, miss Broncos.
Speaker 2:Raiders. Oh boy, That'd be a good game.
Speaker 3:I'm not drinking the.
Speaker 4:Broncos Kool-Aid bro. Only problem is the Broncos have.
Speaker 2:They both got the same record it's not that.
Speaker 3:No, but I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid.
Speaker 4:I worry about the game playing time Munkin's going to have, and then I worry that they're going to make Bo Nix look like freaking Steve Young because our secondary is so bad.
Speaker 3:Man that shit's bad.
Speaker 4:That's my problem. That shit is real.
Speaker 3:That secondary is terrible. I know all about making guys look like Brady, but that shit sucks. I hate it.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go Ravens, because they got to have it. They got to have it Jaguars and Eagles, eagles, bears and Cardinals.
Speaker 3:Ooh, that might be a sneaky good game.
Speaker 4:Yep it's going to be good, but I'm going to have to go Bears, because that division is too good. They can't lose this week. Bears is only three on the road.
Speaker 3:Yep, they can't they do for one. Yeah, let me get the Bears on that.
Speaker 2:Lions Packers. Ooh Ooh, is that Sunday night? Nope, that is 425.
Speaker 4:Nah, they need to flex that to the night game they need to flex that. They got.
Speaker 2:Bucks and Chiefs. No, they got Colts and Vikings at night. Nobody wants to see that, are you?
Speaker 3:fucking serious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you better. Colts and Vikings is primetime.
Speaker 4:I didn't schedule it. I didn't schedule it Put the Colts on Friday night.
Speaker 3:Hey, don't do them like that, bro, Because if Chicago plays, I mean shit. It could be a competitive game. Yeah, man, it's that nigga AR bro.
Speaker 4:Are they going to run the ball Are? They going to give JT the ball. If you say no, they're losing. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:So what was the game after the Bears game? Was that the Cubs game?
Speaker 2:The Lions-Packers game.
Speaker 4:That's going to be good. We don't know if Jordan Love is out, do we? Yeah, that's right, he did get hurt. I don't know if he's going to be back this week. Let me see he's throwing some picks too, ain't it? What'd you say?
Speaker 3:I said he be throwing some picks too, ain't it?
Speaker 4:Not playing with the Packers. He had that joke up in that boy be, he didn't get three picks the other game.
Speaker 2:Malik Williams. Let me see no damage.
Speaker 4:Oh, love, love, yeah, love likes throwing them picks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they haven't said anything. I'll just check the website. They haven't said nothing about him, whether he's playing or not. Usually you don't hear that by Wednesday they have to report man. So they got to have certain days of practice in, so we'll see.
Speaker 4:I want to go Lions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't be true.
Speaker 4:This is in Green Bay. It is in Green. Bay. I'm going Packers.
Speaker 2:Lions undefeated on the road.
Speaker 4:It's not that, I just want to put that out there when we're talking about where it's at. Yeah, no, it's not that. Honestly, I just feel like sometimes with some of these teams, you come off a win, like the Lions just did, and then you're going against a team that you don't know who the quarterback is going to be. They play totally different with Malik Willis than they do Jordan Love. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Packers are 3-1 at home yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go Packers.
Speaker 2:Rams and Seahawks. That may be for the NFC West.
Speaker 4:Yikes.
Speaker 2:No, I think the Cardinals are first right now I think the Cardinals are fourth. They're tied with the Seahawks, they have the same record and the Rams are three and four and the Niners are on the bye this week.
Speaker 4:Where's it at?
Speaker 2:It's in. Seattle.
Speaker 4:I'm going Seattle.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm going Rams on that.
Speaker 2:I went Rams just because their receivers are bad. I don't know why, but I got the Rams on it.
Speaker 3:I like their offense when they're healthy. I went Rams just because their receivers are bad.
Speaker 2:I got the Rams on it. I like their offense when they're healthy. Monday night you get Bucks and Chiefs, so we just going to skip over the Coast game. We already called the Coast game oh we did.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the second game, yeah, the second game.
Speaker 4:Oh my bad bro.
Speaker 3:My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Who's the Monday night again?
Speaker 2:Buccaneers and Chiefs.
Speaker 3:You know what? I don't know how they keep winning bro.
Speaker 4:I don't either.
Speaker 3:I'm going to pick against them again because, they're going to have to lose. That shit is damn good, baloney bro. But that defense is hard, man. That defense is elite, real elite, it's elite.
Speaker 2:And the Steelers and the Niners are with Bonds this week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that defense is real deal. That defense is elite.
Speaker 4:That defense is elite.
Speaker 3:Man, they play no games.
Speaker 4:Man, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3:Like I said a few episodes ago, they dare was carrying the chiefs right now. I mean them guys tackle. They just they don't. They don't make mistakes, they don't give up big plays, they don't like get penalties like man, they just bro At all three levels. Solid. Chris Jones, carloptis, be calling the corners, tackle, they will knock you out. They tackle.
Speaker 4:Trick McDuffie is solid Nick. Boulden is solid, justin Reed is solid.
Speaker 2:All, everybody, bro, all the way across the board Nick Boulden, them guys are good Now.
Speaker 4:With that being said, their offense has been garbino yeah.
Speaker 3:What's going on with the offense?
Speaker 4:You know what I'm going against the grain again, I'm going to go Temple. God damn it. I hope you right. I'm going to go Temple To give Kansas City their first loss and no more undefeated teams in the league. Them I'm going to go with 10. To give Kansas City their first loss and no more undefeated teams in the league them dudes is tough they are. They are so well. Let me see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. So 15 games. Think I counted that right. All right, all right there we go.
Speaker 2:All right, man. Well, any final thoughts, man, before we get out of here. Man we only an hour and 40 minutes? Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 4:Nah, I only think I will.
Speaker 2:Oh, we got going on boxing this weekend. Man Been missing it Anything good.
Speaker 4:No, I don't think. This weekend, november, the hold on November 9th you usually leave it. November 9th is the next one that I'm tuning into and that's Abdullah Mason, young up-and-comer, fun, exciting fighter, exciting fighter, good speed, good power. Check him out, check him out, check him out. That'll be one. He's with ESPN, so I'm sure he's going to be on one of ESPN fight cards or whatever that night. So I don't think he's headlining it, but I'm not sure. But Abdullah Mason, yeah, abdullah Mason. So check that one out. Unfortunately, with the boxing game and the rest of it is. I'll let y'all know when more of that's been confirmed, but I will. I was going to say this, though Sad to hear today saw where Javarius Ward's daughter passed away cornerback for the oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Who am.
Speaker 3:I to say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah she was For the Niners, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yep, she was going to be two in November, man, she was born with Down syndrome and, I guess, battled some heart problems. So just wanted to say, you know, that's condolences, man, and that's a sad situation, man. No, not losing a child, bro. So that's all I got. That's all I got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no man. And unfortunately, thinking about that, trying not to think about that, uh, ayana's brother on her mother's side, he just passed away. Damn, uh, younger, he was only five, he was outside playing. Next thing, you know, found him unresponsive. He know, found him unresponsive. So saturday, saturday night, yo wow, that's crazy, crazy, crazy. Yeah. Nah. So yeah, it was just yeah, yeah, man. So I didn't ask a lot of questions, but from what I got out of it, it was just just he had some asthma issues and stuff like that. Jesus, I couldn't imagine losing no kid at all, even though me and her mom don't see eye to eye.
Speaker 2:Losing a kid is losing a kid. Yeah, losing a kid is losing a kid. I wouldn't put that on nobody Ever.
Speaker 4:Man.
Speaker 2:Losing a kid is losing a kid. Yeah losing a kid is losing a kid.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't put that on nobody.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't hear that man. Yeah no, all right man, all right, all right, all right man. Enough of the doom and gloom. We appreciate y'all kicking it with us, man. I guess that's it, man. We're going to leave it on that note.
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