E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Exploring Sports Surprises: College Football Rankings, NBA Trades, and NFL Scenarios
What if the early-season college football rankings are completely off? Join us this week on the Epic Podcast as we dissect the wild world of sports, from the thrilling return of basketball season and LeBron James' anticipated comeback to the surprising trade of Karl-Anthony Towns to the Knicks. We celebrate the Cincinnati Bengals' first victory and gear up for Ohio State's showdown with Iowa. As our live streaming ventures expand across Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube, we're eager to connect with our audience and express our heartfelt gratitude for your support.
Explore the dynamics of the WNBA playoffs, where the Liberty's unexpected dominance over the Aces has left fans buzzing. We dive into the specifics of Karl-Anthony Towns' trade and what it means for both the Timberwolves and Knicks moving forward. On the football front, we scrutinize early college rankings and envision potential 12-team playoff contenders like Texas and Alabama. NFL enthusiasts won't want to miss our hypothetical trade scenarios for star receiver Davante Adams and quarterback conundrums involving Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, sparking a lively debate on strategy and team-building.
Our NFL game predictions get a spotlight, filled with both bold calls and cautious skepticism, as we analyze team performances and discuss the highs and lows of player contracts and drafting strategies. We celebrate Caitlin Clark's impressive Rookie of the Year award in the WNBA, noting its positive impact on viewership despite her playoff exit. As the episode wraps up, we share our excitement for what's ahead and look forward to bringing even more engaging sports content your way.
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Speaker 2:Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast Coming to y'all today, on Thursday. Man, it's been a busy week, but we still gonna, you know, keep it live for y'all. Get y'all in there. Man, it's been a busy week, but we still going to keep it live for y'all. Get y'all in there, man, catch y'all up, even though Thursday night football is going on, right?
Speaker 2:now man, we're going to still talk sports every week, man, whether it's a bunch of us or just me and Jared, as it is today, how's your sports week been, man?
Speaker 3:Man, it's been cool, bro. Lebron James plays basketball tomorrow night, so I'm looking forward to it, no season out of season in season, man. Whenever I can get a chance to see LeBron play, I'm awfully excited for it. That kind of snuck up on me fast, man. Yeah, the season started in three weeks. Yeah, so I'm like, oh, he missed that. That's crazy. Yeah, man, and Bengals finally got the first win. Offense looked great again, Defense so-so, but I mean, we've been chilling. Ohio State got the win. We're playing Iowa this week. So, yeah, man, you know they still ain't got no offense, but you know who Iowa?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, man, I don't know what that's about, but I mean hey same here and, good man like, we're working on Facebook today, so that's a plus. So we're streaming live on Facebook. We're also on Instagram at Epic Sports Podcast. We're also live on YouTube at Epic Podcast. So check us out. Wherever y'all catch y'all podcasts at, man. I just want to throw that out there. But yeah, man, let's jump into it. We got a comment already Can't get the soup bowl 17. I don't know who this is. Somebody's tripping already, I don't know. So, yeah, nonetheless, we're going to keep up with a little WNBA, nothing crazy. We're putting this on the screen. Can y'all turn it? I don't know who this is. Somebody on, hey that's nuts.
Speaker 3:Hey, defund whoever that is, defund whoever that is.
Speaker 2:Defund whoever that is, we got another comment. Yo what's up? Premelody66. Shout out Appreciate you watching. We got 12 people on YouTube watching right now, so that's hot Shout out to y'all.
Speaker 3:Y'all are real MVPs, all 12 of y'all. We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2:Nonetheless, man WNBA definitely.
Speaker 2:I don't know who this is Wilder right now. I can't deal with it. So, WNBA news man Playoff, second round. Right now we got the Lynx tied with the Sun 1-1 and the Aces versus the Liberty. Liberty leads that series 2-0. With the Sun 1-1 and the Aces versus the Liberty, Liberty leads that series 2-0. Really been dominating the Liberty, really been dominating the Aces, man, I'm really surprised at this, Even though the Liberty record was better by a few games. Yeah, this is why Breonna Stewart averaging 28-3. Asia Wilson is averaging 26-11-3 in this right now. I don't see that. Hopefully the Aces don't get swept. Man, That'd be crazy to have MVP, one of the best players, trying to go back-to-back championships and get swept by Liberty. But Liberty ain't no slouches though.
Speaker 3:Nah shit, it look like it's getting ready to happen bro.
Speaker 2:Man, they really do. But the Lynx and the Suns are battling man. Lynx will be going for their fifth championship if they win this year. Aces will be going for their fifth also. I believe. No, not their fifth, their third. Liberty will be their first and I think it will be the Suns' first also, if they were either one of them. No, Liberty's second, Suns first. Forrest Championship Series tied. We got games, both games Tomorrow. Game three is tomorrow On both series. See how that go, man. We'll update y'all on the playoffs next week. Forrest to WNBA. These comments are getting wild.
Speaker 3:Are you?
Speaker 2:saved by Jesus Christ. I'm trying not to laugh, bro. This is funny. He's like he can't wait to get oh my gosh, what? And Papa?
Speaker 1:Man man.
Speaker 2:Where is Ike when we need him? We need him managing the comments.
Speaker 3:I'm like holding back tears, bro. That shit's crazy hey.
Speaker 2:I've been is crazy. Hey, I ain't cooked for no reason. I don't know what's going on, but uh, this is a sports podcast.
Speaker 3:If you don't know we just talk sports. Man, I ain't never got cooked like for no reason, like damn at least it's by the homies or something.
Speaker 2:But geez, but uh, nah man, we got uh. So car anthony towns trade man, you know. So of course everybody's heard by now about that trade Car Anthony Towns going from Minnesota to New York, for I think it was a three-team trade. I believe Nope, nope, just two-team.
Speaker 3:I actually heard it. I thought the.
Speaker 2:Hornets was in there.
Speaker 3:Nah, you might be right. I heard that too, but I don't know what. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just some draft rights and some cast considerations, so I don't think that was truly involved. But Timberwolves get I'm not going to slaughter this name Bates, Diop, DiVincenzo and Randolph in a first round pick via Detroit. So that would be a good pick from New York in exchange, just for Cargill City Towns. And I think they got. They wait for David Mooka. So, just looking at the transactions, who won that trade man? Do you think?
Speaker 3:I think the trade worked for both teams. Actually, I mean, I guess if you had to put uh like a, a grade on it, maybe, uh, maybe the timberwolves. If I just had to guess one or I had to say one, I guess it would be the timberwolves. I mean, they got more pieces because I mean, you just never know what you're gonna get from cat man like you. Just you just don't know, um. And you can say the same about Julius Randle too. But that's why I'm saying this you got Julius Randle, you got Dante whatever homeboy name, yeah, white Dante, only white boy named Dante I've ever encountered. You got him and you got that first-round pick. So I'm saying that, yeah, that might have did it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say Minnesota. Yeah, I definitely will say Minnesota too. Only, I mean Cronkney Towns. Is what? 32, even though it doesn't seem like it. Is he that old? No, he'll be 31 this season. My bad, he'll be 31 this season, but still I mean, but you put him with another scorer, you put him with Bronson Nick's already had a solid defensive lineup.
Speaker 3:Time out, bro. He's 28 years old, is he when?
Speaker 2:did I hear that he was 30? I don't know when you said that. I'm like Maybe they were talking like the end of his contract. He will be, or something.
Speaker 3:I don't know, that's crazy Okay 28.
Speaker 2:Never mind, he's 28. Never mind, he's 28. But yeah, I think, putting him with another score a defensive Knicks team where he's more of an option I think he was kind of fading out in Minnesota just because you had Reed, you had Edwards that was coming into his own and you know Gobert always clogging the paint, so it was kind of hard for him to go to work even though he developed a very good three-point shot for a big. I just think they have more options and more people developing in Minnesota and then, like you said, you bring in DiVincenzo Like that's another shooter. I think it's a way better fit in Minnesota just on the trajectory they're going.
Speaker 2:Don't know what's going to go on with their ownership because they're currently about to go to court. Next week Alex Rodriguez and his team is prepared to go to court over some documents and things that the Minnesota current owner is trying to renege on. But yeah, I definitely believe Minnesota wins that, just like you said, and that first-round pick who knows what that can be or who that can be that can come in and give them another young piece, because Gobert, I think he got like one year left and you lock up Reed, which was a sixth man, and Julius Randle only got one year left too. So you really don't even have to re-up these guys. You can have some money, you can go play in free agency and keep building around Carl Anthony I mean not Carl Anthony Around Edwards.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I definitely believe that I think Anthony Edwards had more of a solid two in. Like I said, you really don't know what you're going to get from either one, but I feel like Carl Anthony Towns is. I feel like carl anthony towns is. I thought carl anthony towns is a better player than than, uh, julius randall. Yes, no, most definitely. I feel like he's a. He's a more solid second option than julius randall's gonna be. But for all you got back. You know, I'm saying I think, I think you're good no, definitely, uh, I definitely think.
Speaker 2:Um, it's no, definitely, I definitely think it's like you said. For what you got back, I think you're good. I mean, the Knicks really need a lot. They were really riddled by injuries. Like I said, they have a solid team. I think Carl Anthony Towns coming in, he definitely helps. You know what I mean. So it didn't put the Knicks in a bad situation because I think if they're at full health they definitely give Indiana an even bigger run for their money than they already did. Probably win and definitely challenge Boston. So we'll see how that play out if everybody stays healthy, which Julius Randle has had a struggle with staying healthy. So, without having a huge financial commitment to him, getting that car Anthony Towns contract off your book so you can possibly continue to build around Edwards, and getting a first round pick, I definitely just look at that as a huge win, especially in the NBA and the way it's set up now so yes.
Speaker 2:All right, moving right along, we're going to jump into some NCAA college football man, let's see when should we start. Let's just start with the rankings real quick. So, with everything that went on last week, you got a new number one, alabama, right now number one. One jumping from five to one. You got texas at number two, ohio state at three, tennessee at four all undefeated. Uh, georgia dropped down to five at three and one, only three, and one team in, uh, the top nine.
Speaker 2:You got oregon undefeated at four and oh, penn state undefeated at four and oh, miami undefeated at 4-0, penn State undefeated at 4-0, miami undefeated at 4-0, and Missouri undefeated at 4-0. You got Michigan at number 10 at 4-1, ucla UCLA, not USC at 3-1, ole Miss at 4-1, lsu at 4-1, notre Dame at 4-1, clemson at 3-1, iowa State at 4-0, byu at 5-0, then Utah, oklahoma, kansas State, boise State, louisville, all those guys at 3-1, until you get your next undefeated Indiana cracks the top 25 at 5-0. Illinois is 4-1, texas A&M at 4-1. So that's the top 25 right now, very competitive right now at top 25. Everybody is really competing. You look at Indiana finally getting in there, notre Dame in a no-lose situation coming up this week. Ole Miss, usc and Michigan are all battling to try to stay in that playoff right there at 12, 11, and 10.
Speaker 2:But I think the undefeateds that's up there right now are pretty much the top dogs. I mean even Georgia taking the L and moving down only four spots. I think it just shows you still the potential that they have, because I don't see you dropping them down to 10 with a loss to Alabama, which that's the only team they've lost to in the past three years, I believe. So four of their last losses have all come to Alabama, but they pretty much dominated the rest of the college football scene. As far as those rankings, I know I went through them kind of fast. Anybody you, I would say, in the top 10 discrepancies, you see, anybody that's pretty much overrated, you believe, or may drop down after a couple weeks.
Speaker 3:It's still too early, man. I mean, a lot of teams still ain't really playing anybody. It's only a few teams that actually had any real competition. So it's still too early to tell. Yeah, I mean, I'm never too big on the rankings, you know what I'm saying this early in the season. So we'll see, We'll let some more games get in. Maybe week six or seven when they start releasing the college football polls is when, you know, my opinion starts forming about certain things. But it's still too early, still too small of a sample size to be able to say whether or not somebody deserves to. You know I'm saying be ranked whatever or not.
Speaker 2:so yeah, I ain't mad at it, yeah. So right now, um, they have this, they have this little thing that's called, as it's, a predictor of who will be the 12 in the 12 team playoff right now. So right now you got texas at 91 percent, alabama and 90, both at 91 percent, ohio state 85 percent, tennessee 79, georgia 72, uh, miami 61, with penn state also at 61, oregon at 60, notre dame at 46, old miss at 41, indiana at 40, boise state at 38. Everybody else is lower than 40% chance. But, yeah, it seems like those top dogs that they accept there right now. They're pretty much predicting them and I think it goes based on strength of schedule and things of that nature, to kind of help predict what teams could possibly make it on strength of schedule and things of that nature. So, um, so, what games coming up this week? Uh, so we got one game going on right now, which is Texas state and Troy, but of course nobody's really watching that. I was, I was like you watch it, okay, okay. Well, this week we got week, we got a pretty decent week going on.
Speaker 2:So you got Oregon at Michigan State, or Michigan State at Oregon I should have said that backwards Syracuse and UNLV, alabama plays Vanderbilt, ucla at Penn State. You get Missouri and Texas A&M. Those are top 25 teams both playing each other SMU and Louisville, iowa and Ohio State, which we just mentioned, auburn and Georgia. So that'll be a good comeback game but a tough game for Georgia. Ole Miss and South Carolina is going to be a great game. Looking forward to watching that. Indiana and Northwestern, finally Indiana getting into the Big Ten part of their schedule. Clemson and Florida State, which would have been a good game early on in the year. But I think Florida State truly fell off at one and four. That's nuts, that's crazy. From last year to this year, like completely have fallen off Utah State and Boise State, tennessee and Arkansas. Michigan goes to Washington. You got UCLA at Minnesota, baylor at Iowa State and Miami at Cal. So those are all the top 25 teams that's playing this week who they're playing at. So some decent games, not bad.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I definitely think that Auburn, georgia would be good. Ohio State and Iowa, ole Miss, south Carolina should be decent. Maybe even that Michigan and Washington should be good. Definitely some decent teams. Missouri and Texas A&M again two top 25 teams going at it. So not a slouch, not a slouch at all, then we're going to jump over to the grown man's league real quick. What's good, rattleman? Appreciate you watching man Share, like and subscribe, bro. Appreciate you, alright man. So first off, I mean what everybody's been talking about Devontae Adams. Let's start off with this trade scenarios, trade scenarios. I'll let you lead this one off man. Where do you think is the best situation for davante?
Speaker 3:man, the nfl, and their and their transactions, like we, like we always talk about, I don't understand them. I mean it's probably gonna go somewhere the opposite of where you think most needs them, like the teams that actually need receivers and could actually use them, won't get them. He'll probably end up on somebody who has more than enough weapons already. He'll probably end up on the 49ers or, you know, the Eagles or somebody who's already stacked offensively For some reason. That's just how the NFL works. All the good available, you know talents, go to teams who already are stacked full of people. So that's my prediction.
Speaker 3:I mean, as far as who needs them, I feel like the Colts could use them. I feel, like you know, the Jets will probably be a good spot because of the familiarity with A-Rod, same with Derek Carr down in New Orleans. But I mean I feel like it's going to be a team, like you know, houston, somebody who already has a full complement of receivers that's going to add him to that and that's how it's going to go. So I mean that's what history shows in my opinion. So, yeah, I feel like he's going to go somewhere. That's how it's going to go. So I mean that's what the that's what history shows, in my opinion. So, yeah, I feel like he's going to go somewhere. That's I won't say don't need him, cause I mean he's still one of the best. So wherever he goes, he's going to, he's going to be, he's going to make an impact Right, like, if not number one, so, but yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean I'd love to see him opposite of Justin Jefferson Minnesota, like that would be crazy. Yeah, that would be, that would be nuts, but like, I feel like it's a better chance of something like that happening than a team that actually needs a receiver picking him up.
Speaker 2:So no, I agree, Right now he's. He's spoken out that he wanted to go. There's only two places he wanted to be traded to. He has a no-trade clause, so only two places he wanted to be traded to is the Jets or New Orleans, of course, because he's familiar with the quarterback.
Speaker 3:And the thing I don't understand about these athletes is he made that big fuss two or three weeks ago when Deshaun Jackson came out and said that he's not happy in, you know, in Las Vegas and they, they try to give all these buffs. Oh, I never said that if, if, I was unhappy, I would say. And then two weeks later, you are requesting a trade like did you?
Speaker 2:did you catch that? I don't think he requested a trade, but I think it's just and this is what I heard today is just that it's it's been. He's seen these other receivers that he's better than beginning money at the beginning of the year and he didn't get any. Like they haven't restructured. He on the last deal, his contract, uh, last year of his contract, guaranteed year of his contract. The other two are not guaranteed. So, um, which he gets like 30, 36 mil and 35 mil and 36 mil through 2026 if, uh, they choose to pick up the options on them. Uh, I had all this see, yeah, so he, his cap hit this year is it's 13 and a half, but next year is 26 mil and 26 mil, nine guaranteed. And as far as cap space, because I mean you've got to trade him somewhere that he wants a new contract. So, of course, anywhere. You send him the Lions, the Commanders, dallas Jets, and that's really it, because you've got to be able to pick up the 13.5 this year and then you've got to be able to work something else out long term based on what he wants. So what you don't want to do is trade for him, give up possibly a second or third round pick and losing. So a lot of teams are going to be out on him for that reason, because it's like you got to make sure that before we, before we even make the deal, that hey, look you're going, you have a contract worked out with his agent, so that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:Um, but I think he ended up going to the jets, bro. I mean, it just makes sense to me. Uh, you're familiar with the, with the offense, you're familiar with the quarterback. You've had some of your most productive years with this quarterback and you know what I mean. Like, why not? They're struggling to score points. You put him opposite, I know you put, but you put him opposite of wilson. You throw lazard in a slot. So I mean that's tough in itself. Um, yeah, I definitely uh think that's probably the best situation for him right now and they have the money to work out a long deal, long-term contract. Only other thing is on the back end of that, like, what do you do with lewis riddick? Because now, if you do that for davante adams, then you don't you don't have the money there to pay him mean hassan hassan, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Yes, hassan, riddick, my bad. So you don't have the money for uh, I ain't messing up uh, but yeah, so I don't know how you work that out, but I say you give him a two, three-year contract. You know what I mean? 100 mil guaranteed. I don't think that's crazy and yeah, it puts him right there with the other receivers. As far as that timeline, in the next three years, as far as money, and that's what I think anyway, because you look at a team like Kansas City, they can't afford them in the next three years. As far as money, that's what I think anyway.
Speaker 2:Because you look at a team like Kansas City, they can't afford them. You know what I mean. Like you say, you've got to work out the contract part of it. Another team, buffalo Bills, even work out good there, but again you don't have the money for it. And if you don't have the money, like you say, nobody wants a one-year rental. The Char but again you don't have the money for it. And if you don't have the money, like you say, nobody wants a one-year rental. The chargers you don't want a one-year rental. You know I mean, even though you've been like the steelers, you don't want a one-year rental. You know I mean, like you, they couldn't even pull, they couldn't even get iuk. You know what I mean and they have the commodity to get him. So it's like you know, somewhere, like the Ravens I'm looking at these teams that just need quarterbacks to Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2:They just put Amari Cooper's on the on the block. So, like you know, do you, do you go out and reach for for Adams? You keep bringing in other people? Problems in Cleveland, and you know currently y'all problem, y'allself the Cowboys you just gave too much money to CeeDee Lamb and Dak Prescott. Do you now throw another bag at another receiver? I think it would help.
Speaker 3:But man, these owners, I just think they just be doing it wrong. Man, like bro, I think they and it's almost like I don't know if the agents are requesting for these guys to be the highest paid or whatever, but like I would even almost be okay with giving a fully guaranteed contract. Hey bro, I got three years, $90 million, like that's $30 million a season. Is that not good enough for you? You got to get, you know, the four years and it's just like I don't know, man, but you, you know no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I I agree in some situations, like with adams. You look at him now. I do believe he will be 32, uh, before the end of the season, um, but still he's still one of the most productive. I mean he's, I mean he's still a top you. You can really say top five receiver yeah, yeah, yeah like I mean.
Speaker 2:So I just think when you look at, do you pay him the same money Michael Pittman get paid, like clearly I believe he's better, yeah, so I mean he got 90 mil for the next three years. So you got to kind of bump it above that. I don't think you give him Jefferson CD Lamb money and I don't even think CD Lamb really should have been in like to that extent. But like I think, right under CD Lamb I think, like he said, like 70 mil for the next two years was on the books already with Las Vegas. So do you not? Hey, we give you again maybe just 100 for the next three years, right, and that breaks down to 34 a year and that doubles your salary for this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just don't see how that's not reasonable for some of these receivers. You know what I'm saying? I don't know, bro.
Speaker 2:I don't know. We got a question. He said Sam Mason. He said could the Steelers give Oakland Russell Wilson in a 25 first overall for number 17? 25? I think they're talking about the draft pick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Number one overall. Oh, you mean the first, that pick number, you know who no?
Speaker 2:the year 2025.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't see them saying no. See, I don't see them saying no. I don't see Oakland saying no, because for a 32 year old receiver you don't take a starting quarterback and a number one pick a starting quarterback determined by who. I'm just saying Russell Wilson. I mean, do you not start him over Gardner Mitchell?
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, but I mean like starter by default, not necessarily starter by talent, I mean we don't.
Speaker 2:Well, he was named a starter at the beginning of the year and I think if he wouldn't have gotten injured, he probably would have started the season as the starter for I don't think Gardner Mitchell is that bad, Like I don't think that he's the reason why they're not having success.
Speaker 3:I mean, I haven't looked. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that, I'm not saying a starter to downplay meant you, but I'm just saying I think Russell Wilson, I just think we agreed that Russell Wilson is better. But if I was the Steelers, I don't give up a first-round pick for a 32-year-old receiver. I don't do that. I probably like I said a third, I think I would?
Speaker 3:It depends.
Speaker 2:For a 30?.
Speaker 3:It depends on how close we are to winning. Do we have another receiver opposite him to eliminate teams being able to load up on him? Pause, do we have a running back to where we don't? We're not just only success coming from the passing game, like it depends on how we're three, but we're three and one right now.
Speaker 2:Like we've been winning without you know. I mean we've been winning by running the ball and playing great defense. So you know, our passing game ain't been spectacular.
Speaker 1:Who is this.
Speaker 2:We're talking about the Steelers.
Speaker 3:Oh no, they need them. Yeah, no they don't.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying. I'm not saying I don't think they need them, I think they use him.
Speaker 3:They're a team that. Yeah, I will give up a first round pick for Devontae, For sure.
Speaker 2:And Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3:I mean, he's not even starting right now. So like he's bro, that's nothing. So yeah, I do.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think right now. Just how we talked about draft picks in the league and how you've also said that how now guys are coming out of college more prepared, as far as the right receiver, to give up a first-round pick and a starting quarterback not your starting quarterback, but a starting quarterback for a 32-year-old receiver. I just don't think that you're going to have to pay.
Speaker 3:You said he's still going to get a play.
Speaker 2:No no, but I'm just saying that you're also going to have to pay 100 mil to. I don't think that's the play. That's just to me. Like now, I would give up up, like you said. Now, if you want russell wilson, I'll say, okay, we'll give you russell wilson, a third for him, because now, because I also got to take on that kind, I also got to take on, like I said, I got to pay him also for the next three years. I have to give him a new contract.
Speaker 3:So with that, I can't give you a first and give him new money, because he, because I mean, if you, you can, if your quarterback ain't making 95 million dollars a year, which which ain't when I only got it and like and now, if this court, if we do have a good year now, I'm gonna have to pay.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to pay my quarterback too, because he's only on a one-year deal he's not getting 60 mil, though I'm not saying I'm not saying 60 mil a year, but I'm gonna have to pay him.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have to pay him at least. Let's say, if the Steelers make it to the playoffs and win a playoff game, which that's more than they done, done in the past three years Make it to the playoffs and win a playoff game. They haven't done that since Roethlisberger. So in the past three years let's say that Justin Fields do that three years, let's say that Justin Fields do that then I'm going to have to pay him $49,000.
Speaker 3:No, you're not, though I think, regardless of how the Pittsburgh Steelers finish this year, if you offer Justin two years $40,000, two years $50,000, he takes it, especially with the Steelers. That's what I don't understand about these owners with this money. If the Steelers say, hey, justin Fields, we like what you did this year, here's two years, $50 million, fully guaranteed, you think he says no to that. I think he signs that shit quick as hell. I don't think. I just don't see it Now.
Speaker 2:I could be wrong, but two years I think you were saying two years $50 million, so $25 million a year. You're paying me less than a, so you're going to pay me less than you're about to pay this receiver.
Speaker 3:But you're not the cream of the crop quarterback. So yes, I am.
Speaker 2:Bro, you're paying me less than backups.
Speaker 3:Who makes $25 million a season, as a backup. I'm just saying, bro, like I could go and get. That's exactly my point. You're not good enough for me to say, oh no, we can't lose you. No, absolutely, we have to have you or we're not a successful team. You're not that, but you haven't.
Speaker 2:you've not a successful team. You're not that, but you haven't. You've been, you've been a non-losing team. So you haven't had a losing record, but you haven't been a winning team.
Speaker 3:Get that. But Justin Fields is not the make or break to the success in the future for the organization. I think we can both agree.
Speaker 2:Okay then. So if he's not, so, if he's not right now, I have the leverage. Because you can't tell me who is, it don't matter.
Speaker 3:We'll keep trying. If I know for a fact that you're not it, then I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 2:You can't say I'm not if I just took you to the playoffs and won you a playoff game, and if I do that I probably won.
Speaker 3:To the playoffs and won a playoff game against the Steelers. That does not necessarily make you that guy. That does not necessarily make you the guy for the spot.
Speaker 2:But if yes, but if you got a potential to get a paint Manny, then that's a different conversation. The Steelers don't have that.
Speaker 3:That possibility is not going to be available so you give him 50 60 million dollars a season I said.
Speaker 2:I said I said close to 49. That's below all those guys getting 56, 57 he's not getting 49 million dollars. Listen, I'm just saying for as young as he is, he's still stupid young. So that's like a number one pick that you have right here at quarterback Nah.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:Even if, like Sam said, he said you sign Phil to a two-year deal and he said you draft a QB that two years you look at two years for a quarterback. You got to at least make that at least 40.
Speaker 3:Hell, no, they're not going to do that. They're not going to do that.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's do this then. Is he better than? Do you believe he's better than the Giants?
Speaker 3:You talking about Daniel Jones? Daniel Jones, off the top of my head, I would say yes, but I could be biased. Okay then, I think Daniel Jones stinks. Okay then, cool.
Speaker 2:He may. Okay, cool and he got what he got.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he got $40 million a season and we all said that was crazy. And it's proven that it was crazy.
Speaker 2:But his numbers okay. Okay, is he better than uh uh trevor lawrence?
Speaker 3:who is daniel jones?
Speaker 2:better than trevor, no it's justin fields better than trevor I would say no, okay, he just got, he just got, he just got 56 but we just remember we was talking about daniel jones and trevor lawrence's numbers, and win record is the same.
Speaker 3:I don't think winning losses is just not. It's not.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying numbers, I didn't say I'm not talking about just wins and losses, I'm talking about touchdowns, I'm talking about like all that stuff is the same across the board.
Speaker 3:Trevor Lawrence is having a rough season.
Speaker 2:Like I never said, no, no, I'm not talking about prior to this season I'm not this season aside, up until this year. Like they both got paid and neither one of them we're saying daniel jones isn't that good, trevor lawrence on paper is the same exact qb what, yes, you mean to tell me?
Speaker 2:so they threw for the same amount of touchdowns the year bro, I'm not, hey, I'm not lying bro, I swear, I swear. That's that's why I was saying like when we talk about Daniel Jones and we're saying he ain't worth his money and then we allow Trevor Lawrence to get it, I'm like, wow, like all that stuff is very close. I mean, it's within man, it's dangerously close. Just like that Prex Scott they could compare his numbers to Patrick Mahomes. Numbers are there Now. Championships and all that stuff ain't there, mvps ain't there, but number-wise, as far as their individual production, it's damn near identical. And you look at that and you say such and such ain't worth it, but such and such is. I look at it like if we're saying Daniel Jones isn't worth it, trevor Lawrence definitely ain't worth it, and then to say that Fields came from a bad situation, came into a good situation, took a very good team to the playoffs.
Speaker 3:I'm about to stop you right now, bro.
Speaker 2:Okay stop it.
Speaker 3:He had 15 touchdowns in 2022. For a starting quarterback that's terrible. He had 10 touchdowns in 2021. For a starting QB that's fucking terrible. In 2020, he had 11 touchdowns For a starting QB that's fucking terrible. The year before that, he had 24 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. That's okay, that's solid for a starting quarterback, but he hasn't done anything since then, bro, Let me pull up Trevor Lawrence's. I guarantee you he had more than 15, 10, and 11 touchdowns the last three seasons respectively. Hang tight, Because that's crazy. That's pretty nuts, bro. Daniel Jones is true, and it's really proving my point even more, because I'm not saying that Trevor Lawrence is even worth that bread. There's only a couple guys and I keep saying that that are riding shit. Patrick Mahomes really ain't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sam, I agree it is too early to tell if Philers should get paid. We're just saying, if he wins, the division and he takes the Steelers, of course, to the playoffs and win a playoff game, which the Steelers haven't done in a while. If he does that, you're telling me that he should get paid less than Justin Jefferson. That's what we're saying right now.
Speaker 3:Bro, I'm not saying I can't really say that that doesn't mean anything, because I'm not saying that any of these other guys don't deserve what they got. I'm talking about him. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The Steelers are not going to offer Justin Fields $50 million a season. He's not.
Speaker 2:I have, that's why I put.
Speaker 3:That's why.
Speaker 2:I specifically said Because 40. I said 49 because I look at that as a ceiling. I don't see 20. I don't see 25.
Speaker 3:If they put two years 50 million contract on the table tomorrow, I guarantee Justin Fields signs that and don't even think Twice about it. Guarantee Guarantee, especially just for two years. That gives you Two more years to Prove that you are that 60 million Guy. That, because we still don't Even if they go Nine and seven this year, ten and seven, nine and Whatever the breakdown is, and they win a playoff game, that still I don't think proves to anybody, including the Steelers, that he's the solution going forward long term. The way the Steelers are built, they run the ball, they play good defense, they're coached very well. Even the games that they're winning this season, bro, they're not just I know, I know they're winning like 10 to 6, 16 to 12.
Speaker 2:Like bro, look at how they're doing, I know, but when you're one of the most winningest franchises in NFL history and you haven't had stability and that's the thing that I think we tend to forget Every NFL team wants stability in at least one position and if they can pick, it's going to be the quarterback position. Like if they can say, hey look, if we can have stability at any other position on the field, pick one, all 32 teams are going to say quarterback position. That's where they want the most stability. So that's the reason why they're outrageously overpaid.
Speaker 3:I take a consistency defense bro.
Speaker 2:I'm saying one position that they can pick, not a whole child at all.
Speaker 3:Of course, that's the most important one position.
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm saying that's the one thing that the Steelers have been missing. After having ben roethlisberger for 14 years like, and having the success that they had multiple super bowls and constantly competing for championships, like to now have that instability there and to find a young guy that you went out and got you traded for, to bring him in and him show you at least back to the playoffs, where you haven't been. I think you would look at that as like okay, we're heading in the right direction and I think that's the reason why Tua gets this money. These young guys Tua's in you. Give the Trevor Lawrences this money.
Speaker 3:Tua is just goofy, they just feel like.
Speaker 2:And look, I don't agree with them topping Mahomes or topping the Allens and, you know, the Lamars I don't believe they should have. But you do that because you want stability at that position and you feel like you're heading in the right direction and in the future you feel like these are the guys that can get you there. Now, do we know right now if Justin Fields is a guy? I don't know and I'm not saying he is, but I think when we're talking about trading and we're talking about, in the future, having to pay somebody like you, bring in a Devante Adams to get back to you know, bring it full circle.
Speaker 2:You bring in Devontae Adams and you pay him 35 mil a year for the next three or four years and then you, you know you have a quarterback. You get rid of, you know, russell Wilson in that trade if we're doing what you know Sam was talking about and and you give up a first round pick. So now you can't even potentially draft Justin's backup. If he's not the guy, then you're stuck with an old receiver and you got a bunch of younger receivers on your team, like Johnson and them other guys that you can't not Johnson I forgot his name but the other young guys and stuff that you can't pay, young running backs that are playing well, that you can't pay. Defenders that you can't pay. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I do want to say this, though you do realize the Steelers have been in the playoffs three out of the last four years, right?
Speaker 2:But I mean I'm talking about success in the playoffs, like not getting bounced in the wild card. I mean I get that. I think you probably shouldn't lose One of those organizations.
Speaker 3:whatason rudolph was their starter last year. Yeah, and they didn't make the playoffs. They did make the playoffs last year, bro. They lost to the bills in the first round I thought they didn't make. I thought they were just uh, yeah, they've made it three years. They made it three out of the last four years yes, but is that good enough for the steelers?
Speaker 2:I mean it's better than most teams but if we but the steelers aren't most teams like, is that good enough for their all?
Speaker 3:I'm saying is the Steelers aren't going to be moved by him making the playoffs, bro, okay, that's, that's not going to move them. Like they're not about to, they're not about to give that boy 50 million dollars and I'm not saying 50 million, let's just stop saying 50 million. But I feel like 49 is 50, bro, I'll say 30.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I said 59.
Speaker 2:I said 49 being the ceiling, Like if he 49. I'm just saying I'm just saying that's the ceiling, Like if he dominated this year.
Speaker 3:He's not, though it's already a quarter of the season over with bro. Justin Fields is not that Like, and I'm one of his biggest fans. I have his autographed jersey on the wall, like. But, like we've seen enough to know, did I think that pittsburgh was going to be a good place for him? Yes, because the team is disciplined, they play good defense, they can run the ball, they're just notoriously a solid organization. So, yeah, it would be a right place for somebody who's not that guy to come in and kind of be able to keep that team afloat, like. That's a. That's a perfect situation for a guy like him. But I still stand on it. If they offer, if they say, hey, we want to extend you two years, 25 million dollars a season, 25 million dollars a season, he takes that deal. What was it?
Speaker 2:what was his fifth year option on his rookie deal?
Speaker 3:uh, imagine it had to have been 20-something. I can look that up, though. Like 21, probably that would be my guess. Maybe even a little more, because I know some of the receivers. I think Chase's fifth year option is 20. I'm thinking of T Higgins' franchise. Hold on a second. Who are we talking about, justin?
Speaker 2:Fields. I just don't believe that and it's, like I said, just the going rates for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right. They declined his fifth-year option, so he don't get a fifth-year option.
Speaker 2:No, I know, I was just saying what it would have been.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it looks like it would have been 25.
Speaker 2:So 25.
Speaker 3:So 25.
Speaker 2:So they declined to give you 25 now, and then you turn around and accept it a year later. You're going to have to at least give him 30.
Speaker 3:I think the Bears declined his option bro.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying period. I'm just saying period, yes.
Speaker 3:No, they didn't.
Speaker 2:They didn't decline it because they traded for him.
Speaker 1:So, the.
Speaker 3:Steelers have to decline it Hold on a second, because if they had declined it he would have been a free agent, they wouldn't have to trade for him. Okay, yeah, it does say pittsburgh declined his 25 million dollar option, yeah, yeah. So yeah, if they, if they said hey yo, we don't really want to pay you this 25 million off the rip, we want to give you a, a test drive, and they say all right, I think you worth 25 for two. Yeah, of course he's taking it like there's no, this is gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 2:I want to see, I can't wait to see how this end of the year, just this play out. I just I think he'll get more than 25 it, depending on how the rest of the season go, even if he just stays on par of what the first they.
Speaker 3:They would offer him 25 million. He would take it.
Speaker 2:So, um, how this all started. We were just talking about, not Justin Fields. We were talking about places that Devontae Adams should go or could go, and Sam was just proposing different trade scenarios. I'm guessing he's a Steeler fan, for if they were to give up Russell Wilson in the first round pick in 2025, would that be enough to get Devontae Adams? We both agree that would. I don't agree that they should give up that much for a 32-year-old receiver that they're going to have to give another contract to, especially when they have other people they got to pay Like. Eventually they will have to pay fields that they choose to keep him and other people on the offense and defense.
Speaker 3:So you don't want to give up too much commodity, especially when you got to resign that would be the team that could do it, though, because they don't have a lot of money tied up to a quarterback.
Speaker 2:That's like, yeah, but they got another a lot of money tied up in their defense. You got a lot of money tied up in tj watt. You got a lot of. I have a lot of money tied up in tj watt you got a lot of.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of money tied up. There's. None of those guys are making quarterback money. No, I'm in. The game is to not have if you can, if you can win and be successful without having 50 to 60 million dollars tied up in your quarterback. That's the cheat code. The cheat code is to have young guys, have some veterans that you know are nice, like devontae Adams, and then have young guys around them, like if you can't have a Justin Fields for, say, 25 million dollars a season, then you can pay Devontae Adams, you can keep JJ Watt, you can keep uh Minka Fitzpatrick, you can pay uh Najee Harris, some, if you want so so TJ Watt's cap number is 30 million, mika Fitzpatrick is 21.
Speaker 2:Larry Alginobi is 13. So like they got money tied up in the defense.
Speaker 3:There's guys, yeah, they're over the cap actually they have teams that have money tied up in the quarterbacks receivers, running backs and defense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're actually. They're over the cap right now. They only got 10, but they couldn't get him anyway. They don't have enough money.
Speaker 3:Man, they could definitely cut somebody and free that up. I mean To send somebody's salary until you To find a bonus. No, no, they Like any team. I feel like could do it if they wanted to yeah, but they have money cap Like you.
Speaker 2:look at someone like Cameron Hayward 22 million. You can't get rid of him with that cap hit you can restructure his contract, though. But his cap hit is only $12 million right now.
Speaker 3:We're going to give you more money up front to bring in Devontae Adams.
Speaker 2:These cap hits are crazy.
Speaker 3:He signs off on that.
Speaker 2:Alex Highsmith. These cap hits are ridiculous. They would, I don't know as long as you're taking your money from these guys.
Speaker 3:They're gonna be rolling bro.
Speaker 2:I'm just, I'm just saying but then you would have to get davante to take a kind of like a like a hit on the front end, because those, when you restructure laura, like you turn them into bonuses, those hit for that year current, you know that, that current year. But nonetheless, man, yeah, I think if they couldn't really get Brandon Ayuk, I think, which is a younger, better receiver, I don't think they're going to be willing to give up what the Raiders would want for him. And they sent the first for Mika Fitzpatrick you know what I mean back in 2019. So, like I don't know, and they sent the first for Mika Fitzpatrick you know what I mean back in 2019. So, like I don't know, like I don't know, that would be tough. But yeah, it could happen, man, we don't know. Anything could happen. I'm not going to put it past them, but I just think it would be a tough fit and, like you said, it would be a lot of contract restructuring.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like any team can make that shit happen, bro, I've seen way crazier shit.
Speaker 2:Like if a team wanted to make that happen, they could make it happen. No, I agree, I agree. I mean, like you say you got to do some gymnastics and you know somebody ain't going to be happy. I but I mean, I agree, but I think at this point in davante's career he just want to go somewhere where he's comfortable. Like I think he's shown that. Like if it wasn't for you know, the situation in in vegas him being a raider fan and uh uh car being there he probably wouldn't went to vegas, he probably would have stayed in green bay with uh, aaron rogers. So he's definitely quarterback driven. Like he'll go where the quarterback is he wants to play with.
Speaker 3:So um, if at this point in his career I mean I feel like he has that, that, that right no, no, absolutely that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like I think he'll hit, that's that will be. You know what he'll do. Like there's no reason to go and start over. Like to go to the Steelers and start over with a brand-new, basically rookie, quarterback you know what I mean Trying to learn each other in the middle of the season. Like I don't think that's what's best for him and I think, with him having that no-trade clause, he's going to do what's best for him and that's probably to goal to one of the teams with the quarterback he wants, which sounds like it's going to be the.
Speaker 3:Jets. Like I said, I wish they had the money to do everything that he wants, which would be a good fit.
Speaker 2:Then you got Gary Wilson on the other side. That's what I said, Gary Wilson. You got Lazard in the slot, which Lazard is comfortable with him too. So I mean, it'll be Green Bay all over again, nonetheless With a better defense Well, I can't even say with a better defense, because their defense was pretty good then too. So, yeah, man, let's jump into this Pickles man and we're going to get out of here. Got the updated records right now. So things have switched a little bit. Last week I went 9-7. I'm 34 and 30 overall. You went six and ten last week, um, but you still 36 and 28 overall. Uh, ike went eight and eight. He's 40 and 24. And justin went 11 and five, which boosts him up to 35 and 29 overall.
Speaker 2:So but I think you also missed the game last week too. Yeah, I tend to miss the thursday nights every week yeah, it's two games that I just smoked.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sometimes I try to go back and honestly say who I would have picked last week. I that dallas and giants was last week, right? Yeah, I would have picked dallas yeah, I think the week before I I didn't wouldn't have known who I would have picked.
Speaker 2:So I mean, that's me, yeah, but so like no, yeah, I'd be like man, come, I would have picked.
Speaker 3:So I mean, that's neither here nor there, yeah. So like, yeah, I'd be like man, I would have, but I honestly didn't even know, so whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so last week we didn't really have no universal. Nobody was universal, except for we all picked the Niners. That's the only team we were all in on, but it was great Like you didn't. Of course course you didn't have a Thursday night pick, but we all picked the Jets and lost on that. We all picked the Eagles and lost on that. Those are the only two we were all in on.
Speaker 3:Man. The Eagles Were bad bro.
Speaker 2:They look rough bro, they look really rough right now.
Speaker 3:I was trying to tell, I was trying to tell y'all bro, I was trying to say Niggas was telling me all type of haters, because you remember I kept talking about the season before or the Super Bowl season, their record.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, we were talking about it. Yeah, we were talking about it. Yeah, last year we were talking about it, not even y'all it was just other people.
Speaker 3:Are you hating? They this and that, or they it? They play their schedule. I get it, bro, but I just did not see it. And it's starting to show Just like I wouldn't have paid Hertz all that money and I just don't know if the Well, I can't even really say but that hasn't changed anything.
Speaker 2:really.
Speaker 3:I don't think the value is really there for a lot of guys. Honestly, there's a lot of guys that are playing well underneath their contracts. But that's where it goes back to my initial statement is. I don't understand why these owners feel like they have to have to keep just jumping the bar Like because the thing is, if somebody will, then that's, that's totally fine.
Speaker 2:But like I, just like I know, I know how you keep him.
Speaker 3:I get that. You, joe burrow, you gotta keep him. Justin jefferson, I mean you okay, like you, all right, I get that. But like everybody, your best position player does not have to be the highest paid player at that position.
Speaker 2:Like, just because he's your number one receiver, I mean he has to be the highest paid receiver in the history no, but if he, but if he's the most productive receiver in the league, why shouldn't his salary compete, just like if you're the best at your position, at your job, and you see other work like that no no, just just just hear me like, like, let's just say, if there's a way to gauge your talent at your position, at your job, and there's somebody at another company, you're like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Like our company is way better than them. Like I make them way more profitable, and you know, whatever you do, you know what I mean. Leave, then Right, and then. But that's what I'm saying. Like, but if they want to keep you and you sit down negotiation table, you're like, hey, like hey, look, like this is where I want to be, like I want to be here for y'all. You know what I mean. Such and such is making this.
Speaker 3:I feel like I deserve, you know, a thousand more dollars more than whatever you know in the real world, bro, they're gonna tell you to kick rocks and then but?
Speaker 2:but then you have the option to go over there and get paid and that's exactly how I would just run the my team like. But you kind of but if you look at it, you're, you're, you look at it, you look at it. That's kind of what the Bengals do, and you stick around and complain about them not having talent all the time. It's not the same, bro.
Speaker 3:They don't draft, though, you gotta replace the people that you're letting go. We talked about this already.
Speaker 2:But the draft is not guaranteed either.
Speaker 3:It's not a gamble, but every team. Eventually you draft somebody who turns out to be something. Yeah, and I'm not talking about first-rounders. The draft is won in rounds three to six. That's where the draft is.
Speaker 2:I agree with that also.
Speaker 3:Everybody I can't even say everybody. We don't even draft well in the first and second round. Outside of Jamar Chase, joe Burrow and Tee Higgins, every single other first and second round pick that I can remember has been a bust, every single one. Carson Palmer, whatever. He didn't win anything.
Speaker 3:Andy Dalton was a pretty decent. I think he was second or third round. That's a pretty solid pick. I think he played to the standards of a second or a third rounder for his career. I'll give him that. You know I hate Andy Dalton, but yeah, I think he played well for a second or third rounder. But like, that's not the same bro, that's literally not the same. And I'm not even the one that says do I think that the Bengals is mandatory that we make Jamar Chase the highest paid receiver in NFL history? Fuck, no, hell, no, no, hell, no. Just when T Higgins was requesting a trade, I said trade him, get a pick. Get a young lockdown corner. So Cam Taylor Britton out there getting burnt every single game. Like get a lockdown, a hard-hitting safety, so we're not just getting gashed up, just like we're not missing anything. Get a middle linebacker that's going to stop the run, that's going to play on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2:That's what you're supposed to do, but I think the type of talent that you're looking for and just from hearing how you critique your team on a regular the type of talent that you're looking for, like those guys aren't everywhere, Like there's not a bunch of those type- of talent.
Speaker 3:Every team has a couple stud defenders, bro. Every single team except for us.
Speaker 2:Please name the couple stud defenders that we have.
Speaker 3:Bro, I'm definitely, definitely, taking Kenny Moore Over fucking Mike Hilton. I'm definitely taking EJ Speed and Zaire over fucking, over fucking Jermaine Pratt and Davis Gaither.
Speaker 2:Yes, bro, abso-fucking-lutely, yes Bro we're ranked, our defense is ranked.
Speaker 3:DeForest Buckner.
Speaker 2:Glory to y'all.
Speaker 3:I'm taking Buddy over anybody on our defensive line. I'm sorry, bro. Yes.
Speaker 1:Wow, yes, no, no, yeah, easily, bro.
Speaker 3:It's like hey, I'll let you have it for your team because you probably watch all their snaps. I watch all our snaps Like team, because you probably watch all their snaps. I watch all our snaps. Our guys suck, bro, they suck. I literally will send you videos of us having four guys around the ball carrier in some kind of way. Nobody touches him and he gains 15 yards and he should have been tackled in the backfield. Check my Facebook page, bro. I literally post videos. I stop, take out my cell phone and record these niggas out here sucking Like. No, bro, it's not.
Speaker 2:Our defense speaks for itself. It's been, everybody's talked about it, so I already know where ours is staying. Like we got three. The crazy part about our defense is that, like Zaire Franklin, EJ Spade, and Nick. Kroff are the top tacklers in the league right now, but we can't stop the run. How is that?
Speaker 3:It may maybe scheme, maybe defensive line. Like I said, I don't watch all y'all, no, I'm just saying like to me that's mind-blowing.
Speaker 2:That's a few things.
Speaker 3:At least your linebackers can tackle bro. Watch Jermaine Pratt, number 57.
Speaker 2:Maybe they tackle in space, maybe they're good zone linebackers where they're tackling receivers because they're not tackling running backs.
Speaker 3:We can't tackle period, bro. We'll have a guy wrapped up, we'll have a quarterback wrapped up in the backfield and let this man escape. We're a terrible tackling football team. So like I don't even really even want to talk about the bengals, bro. I don't even know how we got there, but like I would just.
Speaker 1:We were just talking about like just players like I, just I don't, I don't know like I like I said, I just some players are elite.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you just want okay players, then yeah, you can just throw anybody in and you'll have maybe an okay team.
Speaker 3:If a nigga hasn't watched Dax Hill play football like bro, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. I'm just going to say I can't. I don't even know what else to say. Until you've watched Dax and Hill play an entire football game, there's nothing I can really say. We can't even really have a conversation. We just can't, because that boy is booty cheeks.
Speaker 2:Look Terrible, we're watching ARDBs. If you want to make Kenny Moore the outlier, then fine. He ain't even made no plays this season, but our secondary is gone, none of our niggas had. We only run two linebackers. So I can't even tell you nothing else.
Speaker 3:All it is is EJC and Franklin, we do too. We only play two.
Speaker 2:We run a 4-2-5 all year. You know what we're doing.
Speaker 3:Cover 3-4-2-5. I don't know about y'all, but we're in a base. I don't know about y'all, but we're in a base. Four, two, two. So it's not even like it's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no.
Speaker 3:No, that's all day. We actually can't apply. We can't blitz Like our guys, don't? Nope?
Speaker 2:Our linebackers never blitz. We depend on our front four, ours do.
Speaker 3:sometimes they send six guys against their five. It's going to be blocked like we got three. We blitz corners, man, we don't even do.
Speaker 1:Nothing works bro, that's all we can do.
Speaker 3:None of that shit works for us. Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 2:We just it don't work for us either.
Speaker 3:We're a different type of situation, bro. What's his name? Trey Henderson. I'm cool, bro.
Speaker 2:What's his name? Trey Henderson, I'm cool bro he's saying to always be around the quarterback.
Speaker 3:At least it's my impression. You can have him, bro, you can have him.
Speaker 2:We got three number one picks on our D-line and nobody can get to the quarterback.
Speaker 3:How's Lachu doing Nothing I?
Speaker 2:think he got one sack and like that's better than what Sam Hubbard got.
Speaker 3:Sam Hubbard's the captain and he's probably in like year seven. I don't even think Sam Hubbard has. I don't think he has pressure this year, bro.
Speaker 2:Could he pay Nothing? Damn Buckner Buckner, he's a run stopper, so very sad, I mean I think he may have won one or two sacks on the season.
Speaker 3:We don't have pass rushers, we don't have run stoppers, we don't have anything.
Speaker 2:We gave up a number one for him.
Speaker 3:so Trey Hendrickson I'll give him. He holds it down. But I mean, but he don't really get home a lot, he's okay. Could we replace him? Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. We need some replacing Dan. Like I said, it could be scheme or whatever.
Speaker 3:It could be that too. Like I said, I don't watch all you guys' games. I can't sit here and say the Colts need to do X, y, z, blah, blah, blah. I can't say that I ain't seen enough. I ain't watched enough. But my guys, I've seen too much. I've seen too much, bro. I'm burnt out already, like burnt out. We need a new strategy. As far as who we pick man, we got to start drafting better. Let me say this and I'm done I think I said since.
Speaker 3:since we went to the super bowl, bro, we have not drafted. It's been, it's been what? Three drafts since then, we have not drafted one impact player, bro, not one. Not one pro bowl worthy. Not one Pro Bowl-worthy Pro Bowl-fringe definite, he's going to start for us in the future. We have not drafted one guy, and that's why we haven't been back, bro, when you still had Burrow, you had Burrow, you had Chase, you had Higgins still all in their rookie contracts. You didn't bring in no big-dollar veteran to hold us down. You also didn't draft anybody that could help, bro, not one person. We didn't draft a tight end. Instead of drafting like Michael Mayer or somebody like that, we picked up Miles Murphy Trash. Bro Trash Hasn't done anything. So it's just like we can't win. Like that Just can't win like that.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I feel like we just we've been riding the boat of mediocre for a very long time, so I feel your pain.
Speaker 1:I feel your pain.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man, that's it. Man, I have nothing else. We did pick them. Oh well, I guess we no, we got one more thing, we got.
Speaker 3:I definitely have a final thought though, so whenever you, we gonna do a.
Speaker 2:I guess we're just gonna talk about who we picked On this week coming up.
Speaker 2:So I gotta bring up the question my I think I was the last one to put my put my teams in All right. So this week, on Pick'ems man, I picked Atlanta to win this game, which they're only down a touchdown right now. Pick them, man. I picked Atlanta to win this game, which they don't need to have a touchdown right now. Jets and the Vikings I picked the Jets. I just think that the Vikings' luck is coming right now. I don't want to say it's luck, because they've really been playing very good. I agree, though, but I think Rodgers is familiar with the Vikings and I think the Jets turn around. They need this game, if nothing else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they got a couple tough games coming up. I think they play the Bills after that, yeah, and they play somebody else tough. So like, yeah, they got to start. They definitely need this game. We need our game too, which we're not going to get, but we definitely need it If we go. Our game too, which we're not going to get, but we definitely need it If we go one and four bro, it's over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Panthers and the Bears. I think the Panthers get the Bears Again.
Speaker 3:I just see the Panthers beating the Bears. More solid quarterback play. Yeah, they've been playing very well, even though they lost their last game like they were battling throughout that game as much as andy dar erks me, I can say that he's a solid quarterback.
Speaker 3:He's solid like he's like when I say solid, like middle of the pack, like can win you some, can lose you some, but just like you know he's, he's, he's more, he's more even killed than like super extreme or super low, like you're pretty much you can bet on getting, uh, a middle of the middle of the ground. Uh, andy dalton, you know so do what. I take andy dalton over. You know a rookie that's still trying to figure things out. Yeah, I take him to win me a championship? Absolutely not, or?
Speaker 2:even a playoff game.
Speaker 3:I'm not even giving Andy Dalton a playoff game, but to win just a regular game.
Speaker 2:I think he's good to show him how to run the offense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just a regular regular season game against a team who shows that they're not like scoring a crazy amount of points. Absolutely, he's playing with house money. Really he's on his last, you know legs. I mean there's no pressure, I mean he's playing free football. Give me Andy Dalton that one yeah.
Speaker 2:So you picked Carolina too. So next game Bengals Ravens. I picked who that. I picked Baltimore. Just the Bengals struggle with stopping the run, so I really I picked the Ravens as well.
Speaker 3:Only way I think we have a chance is if we If we get the passing game going Outscore them If we turn it into a shootout, but if we only talking about scoring 21,. But then again, we always play well against better competition and that kind of stuttered on this game.
Speaker 2:When I was picking too, I was kind of like if the Ravens can run the ball, I think they can win, but if the Bengals can pass the ball, Baltimore has not been good against the pass. So if the Bengals can pass the ball you know what I mean which they can.
Speaker 1:Let's go start up front, man, if successfully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, if they're successful in the pass game and get Higgins and Chase going, get those guys going early, then I think they'll win the game.
Speaker 3:If we can block it up up front. I mean I think Joe Burrow can do his thing. I mean he got Higgins healthy. He got Chase healthy. Yoshi Foss is coming along. Chase Brown has actually looked good on the ground and that's what I've been looking for. Maybe he can be that one person since we went to the Super Bowl that actually has an effect as far as like a draft in those years after the Super Bowl. So like he looked good. I would actually, if it was up to me, I would name Chase Brown the starter to get that psychological advantage. Get that young guy, get that young guy the keys. Bro, zach Moss. You could tell zach moss don't care bro. You could look at him in his face and tell that he cool, whatever, like he's not tripping. I would name name chase brown the starter. I will keep using him in in in zach, it looks good.
Speaker 2:The offenses the last two weeks offenses look good but I think you keep that formula up and, like I said, if you could push the ball down the field for the Ravens, then I think y'all win and I wouldn't be mad about being wrong about that either. Of course I wouldn't.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying like I think, but the Bengals.
Speaker 2:Usually, once they do get going, they get going. Yeah for sure, like I said, I think they can get it going. Yeah for sure, like I said, I think they can get it going. They can beat Baltimore, not saying that they will, but they can.
Speaker 3:Yeah, anything can happen. That's one of them games where if we got blowed out, I wouldn't be surprised. If we somehow blew them out, I wouldn't be surprised. If it was a close game, low scoring, I wouldn't be surprised. If it was a close game, high scoring, I wouldn't be surprised. If it was a close game, high scoring, I wouldn't be surprised. So I that game could go a multitude of different directions for sure uh, buffalo and texas, both three and one, both teams playing very well.
Speaker 2:It's actually a good game, it is. I picked buffalo just because I want the texans to lose, to give us a chance to get closer, and wrong.
Speaker 3:I picked that game actually, I think I don't know, you picked you picked houston okay.
Speaker 2:So um, Colts and Jaguars, I'm definitely going with the Colts. We need to win in Jacksonville for once in the past. So anyone that says 2024? I mean not 2024, 2014, my bad.
Speaker 3:You see what I put on my pick there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see, you said, if Flacco plays, you pick him.
Speaker 3:If Flacco starts that game, I think you guys win. If AR starts it but I'm not a believer in Anthony Richardson at all, like not even a little bit. So if Joe Flacco starts that game, I feel like y'all finally going to break that and win. But if AR is back and he's the starter, I don't know man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we always struggle down there, but, like I said I just I don't care who starts.
Speaker 3:The streak's got to end at some point Like why not?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's going to end at some point Like my vote just started now.
Speaker 2:Dolphins and Patriots, I think. Who did I pick? It's crazy, yeah, you picked. Did you pick on this game?
Speaker 3:We're only five, yeah, we're only five weeks into the season and we already oh, you picked, yeah you picked New England. We already got shitter ball games.
Speaker 2:Man, I picked Miami.
Speaker 3:And we got all these irrelevant-ass games. Like it's crazy bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crazy. Yeah, I picked Miami just because I won't pick the Patriots. I know, I know, I know y'all going to talk about it, I've already.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I'm not I ain't talking about that, I'm just talking about that game, like the game is.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a tough game to watch, but yeah, I definitely picked. I picked the Dolphins, you picked the Patriots, which they're Patriots at home. The Patriots are tough, so I wouldn't be surprised if they win. I just won't pick them.
Speaker 3:Dolphins are built on scoring points and getting up and down the field, whereas I feel like New. England can win just one of them ugly games and I feel like they can dictate it and make it be ugly and it'll turn out in their favor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, browns and Commanders, who the fuck cares?
Speaker 3:Yeah, who did you? I think Washington.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you pick Washington. I think I pick Washington too. Washington just been on a high streak right now. Well, they punted one time over the last One time in four games. Like yeah, they're playing amazing and the Browns has not been, hasn't shown me anything. But Like yeah, they're playing amazing and the Browns has not been, hasn't shown me anything. But this could be a game that I could see the Commanders might lose, Like if they lost, I wouldn't be like what Wouldn't surprise you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised, because that is a veteran defense and whatnot. But the Commanders, I think they've just been playing too good for the Browns to really catch them. Slipping Raiders and Broncos, I'd pick the Broncos on this one, irrelevant, yeah, irrelevant game.
Speaker 2:I mean they're both 2-2, but irrelevant game. But I'd definitely I mean decide who's second in the division. But I would definitely pick. I'd pick the Broncos, especially after what they did to the Jets last week. The Raiders aren't too much better, especially with everything that's going on in their organization right now. I say this is a game that the Broncos can get them on and you picked. Who did you pick? You picked the Raiders but again, like I said, said this is a throwaway game.
Speaker 2:Cardinals and niners uh, definitely pick the niners. Um, they're very familiar with each other, but niners definitely would be too much. Packers and rams uh, you pick green bay. This was kind of tough for me. I picked green bay. Normally. Normally in a game like this, I would go with the Rams because this just looks like one of them games that the Rams would just come out and win, especially after a loss. Very seldom does Matt Stafford just lose back-to-back games, especially close ones anyway, and that last game was close, but with the injuries I could see the Packers winning this game, especially if they keep it on the ground, because the Rams' defense is decimated, especially on the front line. Giants and Seahawks definitely pick the Seahawks.
Speaker 3:Giants has just been the Giants.
Speaker 2:Is that in?
Speaker 3:Seattle, or is that in New York? It is in Seattle. It's over for the Giants. I don't know, bro, I can't call it. I'm going to just shut up.
Speaker 2:Cowboys and Steelers. Good game. I think you picked Dallas. I picked Dallas also. I don't know why I picked Dallas, I don't. Steelers are 3-1. Cowboys are 2-2. It's in Pittsburgh. I don't know why I picked Dallas, but maybe the Dallas get back on track after last week. I don't know. I don't know. I have nothing for that game and Saints and.
Speaker 2:Chiefs. This is probably going to be probably the best game. It's Monday night. This is probably going to be the best game of the slew, outside of that Buffalo Texans game, saints been playing well, even though they're only two and two, two hard-powered offenses. It's in Kansas City, so definitely gave Kansas City the nod. I think they go to five and no, but the Saints could have still this game. This is the game that, one of those games that the Saints would just come through and dominate. You know what I mean. Like I can see that I wouldn't be surprised if they offense, get back on track as they have been in the first couple weeks. But, um, yeah, and that is it you picked. Uh, yeah, you pick casey and dallas too. So, yeah, teams that's on the body eagles are on the by this week, the titans are on the by this week, chargers on the by this week and lions on the by this week.
Speaker 3:And final thoughts man hey, so we all seen that caitlin clark got rookie of the year right. She got 66 out of 67. Uh, first place votes, bro. All you people on twitter, social media heads, please find out who didn't vote for Kaitlyn Clark Rookie of the Year. The world needs to know. Run, whoever that individual is. Shout out to Angel Reese. All respect to her. She didn't even finish the season healthy, which is not her problem. This has nothing to do with Angel Reese, but come on, bro.
Speaker 2:And I just seen an article when I was just looking through the WNBA. And I just seen an article when I was just looking through the WNBA. Just, I go through and look through articles for stuff to talk about. But looking through there, since Kaitlyn Clark got put out the playoffs viewership has plummeted. Yep, nobody's watching that. I'm not watching it, so I haven't either.
Speaker 3:So like yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:So like yeah, it is what it is, bro, it is what it is. Man.
Speaker 3:See y'all next season man for the wmba, but uh, for for someone to actually not vote her first place to. Come on, man, get over yourself, like any, any kind of reputation or credentials that you have.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. Just one person. One person she could have been unanimous, almost unanimous. That's wild.
Speaker 3:Out of 67, first place votes somebody. One person out there, whoever it was, voted for Angel Reese and, like I said, mad, mad, shout out to Angel Reese.
Speaker 2:We might have to do some research on that. We could probably figure that out, it'll drop on. It's going to pop on the internet. Somebody's going to find out.
Speaker 3:Probably Elle Duncan or somebody.
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