E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Surprise Surge in the NBA Playoffs, Defending Female Athletes, and NFL Draft Strategies Unveiled
Ever wondered how the Eastern Conference's underdogs have been turning heads with their unexpected rise? Join us as we, alongside Brandon from Crossroads, dissect the NBA playoff landscape, where surprises are the new norm and the Bulls' ascent proves the game's unpredictability. Feel the palpable excitement as we also share insights on the Purdue Boilermakers' commendable journey, the hype around WrestleMania, and the buzz of golf season teeing off. Plus, don't miss Jeremy's take on the Ohio State spring football game - a harbinger of what's yet to unfold for the Buckeyes.
As the Western Conference braces for impact, we scrutinize the T-Wolves' internal struggles and their playoff prospects - a conversation that's more twisty than a mystery novel. We also dare to question if the Bucks can maintain their edge without the towering presence of Giannis. Leaping from court to field, we rally for female athletes facing unwarranted criticism like Kaitlin Clark, comparing the backlash they face to that of their male counterparts. It's a defense of skill, grit, and the right to rise above the noise that no sports fan should miss.
Wrapping things up, we don't just toss the pigskin around; we dissect the contentious NFL draft and trade decisions, going beyond the playbook into the strategies that shape teams' futures. It's a quarterback carousel, and we're not shy to question the market value of names like Kyler Murray, peering into the economics of the sport and what it takes to build a championship-caliber team. From NFL drafts that echo déjà vu to weighing a player's worth, this episode isn't just a game changer – it's your front-row ticket to the ever-swirling world of sports strategy.
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Speaker 2:Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast, parting the Tardy Start. We was trying to get Brandon in here. The Lynx was acting up, but we here, we here, man. We got Brandon from Crossroads joining us today, along with the the sturdy and, uh hang fast, uh jared here every week, man. Um, how's y'all sports weekend been? I'm gonna start with you, brandon man, because, uh, we got some things to talk about on your end yeah, man, it was, uh, it was.
Speaker 3:it was good. It was an overall good weekend. Bulletmakers, yeah, won the big game on Saturday night, went to the championship. We just got done with our show and a lot of people were wanting my thoughts and I said, listen, you lose to the best team. They had a valid effort. Uconn's just a juggernaut on another level, but overall I was proud of the team, proud of the run that they made. So over that I thought it was a great, great weekend. We didn't win it, but it's all good. I watched WrestleMania. That was amazing over the weekend.
Speaker 2:I've seen some of the highlights.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. Then we got golf this week. So, yeah, it doesn't get any better right.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright. What about you, Jeremy? Anything interesting happening in your sports week?
Speaker 4:Nothing at all. I'll have more for you. Next weekend I'm going to the Ohio State spring game on Saturday.
Speaker 2:That's supposed to be sold out, ain't it?
Speaker 4:I don't know I got my tickets a while ago, so I didn't really pay attention to it, but it is going to be on national TV though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 4:It is. This is a big one for us. This is like make or break for Ohio State football. So if we don't figure it out and find a way to win it this year, I don't know. It's going to be tough, so trying to see who's going to be the starter. So this is actually going to be a real good spring game. Like they're actually going to be doing stuff trying to figure out you know who's what. So we'll see.
Speaker 2:All right, man, sounds good, sounds good. Somebody say what a family. You didn't allow Facebook to put your name on the show. So what a family. We don't know who this is. So please, if you want to do comments, please, if you're on Facebook, allow the EVMUX program to sync with your Facebook so we can get your name on here so we can address you properly. But what up, fam? We appreciate y'all chiming in. We're going to jump into it. We're going to do a little playoff basketball first and go from there. Go from there. We're going to start with the Eastern Conference. Nothing's really changed in the Eastern Conference. The seating is still the same. I think the Knicks and Cavaliers switched places. Now they're the third seed and Cavaliers are the fifth seed right now. Outside of that, the seating is pretty same. Pretty much the same. If we will start today, you got the Hawks at 10, you got the Bulls at 9, sixers at 8, and the Heat at 7. Huh, what'd you say?
Speaker 4:I can't believe the Bulls are actually in the playoff picture. That's nuts. I thought maybe they had been eliminated months ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah man, for a minute it looked like they were dying. They don. Yeah man, for a minute it looked like they were dying. But I mean they done battled back. I mean the Hawks, they have a losing record and they're in there. Actually, I think the Bulls and the. Hawks both have losing records and they're in the playoffs in the East. The 10th spot in the West. The 9th spot, yeah 10 games over 500.
Speaker 2:Almost, yeah, yeah. So it just shows you like there's a bit of a power dynamic between the East and the West and it just seems like it's been that way ever since LeBron has left. I don't know, but yeah, you got Sixers at eight, you got Heat at seven, you still got Celtics as your number one seed, bucs as your number two seed Right now, you got the Knicks and Pacers at three and six and Magics and Cavaliers at 4-5. So that's how your playoff picture will look today if the playoffs started today. But we've got a few more games.
Speaker 2:Some of this could change, especially in the Western Conference, where we have the Warriors and Lakers still at 10-9. I don't think the Warriors can get caught by the Rockets, no more. I think they're mathematically eliminated now. You got the Kings and Suns at eight and seven, which they just switched spots, and you got your Nuggets at number one. Still, you got T-Wolves at number two, thunder versus Pelicans at three and six and you got the Clippers and Mavs at four and five right now in the West. But all of those are extremely close, they're within a couple games. So a lot of that can change over the next week or so before the playoffs start.
Speaker 3:Hey, I called my shot with Jonathan earlier. I think the T-Wolves get upset in round one.
Speaker 2:Ooh, by who, though, phoenix?
Speaker 3:Okay, phoenix. Actually, give me the Lakers, give me the Kings, give me Phoenix, give me the Warriors. Any of those four teams, I can see them upset Minnesota. There is so much turmoil right now up in Minnesota. I know they're waiting for Cat to get back from injury, but it came out today that Alex Rodriguez.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're about to say Alex Rodriguez is about to sue the owner over the contract that he was supposed to be buying a portion of it. He was supposed to eventually become the majority owner and he already unpaid for 40% of the team and the second half of the payment was supposed to go through this March. It was supposed to go through in March and now that they're in the playoff team and like their popularity and skyrocketed, which means their value on skyrocketed Now the owner is trying to renege on that. And yeah, no, I heard about that brand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they're going to have to cut. The word is they're going to have to cut a salary.
Speaker 3:So you got three max player contracts and they're going to trade that down. They paid this year over $27 million in luxury tax. The previous four years they only paid combined 21 mil. So one year is worth four years of it. That's not sustainable. This is the last run for that Minnesota team, so not what you want. Going on with your franchise getting ready to go into the playoffs as a two seed, even possibly as a one. So I think they're right there picking.
Speaker 2:I agree, I agree, especially when there's turmoil at the top, it tends to trickle down. Somehow it gets to the locker room. But yeah, I just think that's kind of shitty as an owner Like you agreed to sell and you got this group. You know, especially with someone like Alec Rodriguez, this ain't like some random group or something, you know what I mean. Like, this is a very known, some custom group or something.
Speaker 2:Right. And now you got this man invested 40% in your team, and you know what I mean. It was, from what I heard, the money was there, it was ready to go through. I think it was like a day later or something like that. It was something on the back end and he was trying to pull out of the whole deal. And it's like dude, we know what you're trying to do. He was trying to buy in at like $1.1 billion. Now I think they're worth like $2.8. You know what I mean? It's something crazy like that. And now he's trying to pull out because he's trying to keep the majority, because it's going to be worth a lot more. Right, and it's like dude, come on, come on, you agreed to sell, sell. If there's paperwork, alec Rodriguez is going to win that. Yeah, no, I agree, you definitely don't want that going into the playoffs, especially in the West where it's so close.
Speaker 3:How much do you think Milwaukee's right for the picking right now, with Giannis going to be out At least, even if he's come back after those three games left in the season the playoffs? All it takes is one little tweak.
Speaker 2:I agree with that. But you look at the. I mean Miami has had their number the past two years. So if they're that 7th seed, that's going to be a tough out. Especially, you know what I mean. You got Embiid back but I think they got some injuries elsewhere. But if Miami come out as a 7 seed, I definitely see Miami definitely giving them a run for their money. The Bucs yes. If Giannis is going to be out for you know which, I think he is going to be out.
Speaker 3:At least for the first round. Yeah, yeah, so I think he is going to be out At least for the first round. Yeah, yeah, so I think it's right for the picking. I think Philly, Miami or Indiana Obviously Indiana's with Giannis, They've had their number.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they beat them all. What? Three out of four times this year.
Speaker 3:Four out of five.
Speaker 2:Oh, four out of five. Okay, yeah, they played more than they're playing as well.
Speaker 3:But this could be the year both two seeds go down, if it goes away. But you know, I kid with Jonathan that the heart and soul of Milwaukee is Pat Bev and when Pat Bev got hurt they went on a losing streak four or five games. They just reinserted him in the starting lineup. They got that dub against Boston, so I listened to his podcast.
Speaker 2:I wasn't a big fan. Oh yeah, the Bad Pop is solid.
Speaker 3:I started listening to him and that's the type of player that you need on a team that veteran leadership, that support. Hey, get your ass in the gym. It's 4 am. I'm going to the gym, where are you at Right, and support, support, hey, get your ass in the gym. It's 4 am. I'm going to the gym, where are you at right, and support. When, when he was having a surgery, pat bev was right there in the hospital at the waiting room checking on him. No other player was. There's coaches that felt that pat bev was just quote too much for them and over like the coach mentality and it wasn't listening to him. Nick Nurse is the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay.
Speaker 3:So getting rid of him, but that's the type of guy you need in the locker room to lead your team. This is a perfect fit for Milwaukee and what they need in that locker room.
Speaker 2:That's why Doc Rivers went and got him and see him and Dame had some issues in the past and day one, hey, they went out to dinner, talked about it, squashed it. Move forward. You know what I mean. Like to also, you know what I mean to have somebody like that. You know, um, a man, a man. You know what I mean. Like somebody who is a super competitor on the court. Numbers are not amazing, but impact is way bigger. You know what I mean. Then, the numbers he put up. I agree, playoff run. He's been there before with multiple teams.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I put that on Twitter a couple weeks ago just the type of player he is and what that means to your organization the playoffs. Hey, I got a nice little shout, he got a little light tweet from it, so I'll take that, okay, cool, cool, cool, let's jump into.
Speaker 2:let's jump into this march madness, uh, the ncaa championships. So we're gonna start with the men because we got a little little drama on the women's side. But uh, purdue, of course, you know, by 1560 to 75. I watched that game. Purdue was hanging. It's just they couldn't get any shots off, like they kind of let Edie do what he do and they shooters couldn't get no shots off. Man, did you watch that game, jer?
Speaker 4:Of course. Yeah, absolutely, I find something interesting, like I guess maybe I don't really have the eye for watching how I used to, so I definitely wanted to ask Brandon about this but the strategy from UConn was to limit the three-point shooters. How is that done? What exactly is the scheme for eliminating three-point shooters?
Speaker 3:You keep a solo man on Edie you don't double down.
Speaker 3:You don't do. Help side UConn with their athletic guards and the size of their guards, the wingspan of those guys. It's easier for them when they don't to be able to guard you at that three-point line. I told John I thought the game plan was great, that they let Edie get his, but you're not going to let the other three or four guys beat you, and that's what their strengths are, because in the end, if you look at your national champions in the past years, it hasn't just been one man as a big man winning the title, right that perimeter shooting. That's why Hurley called that timeout after the Boilers hit their first three. When Braden Smith hit it, they called a timeout because they had a lapse of judgment there. So but yeah, it's just honing in. Let Edie get his and Klingin he. There's people talking about this man saying that he's a defensive stopper. He's a defensive machine. This guy's a top 15 lottery. Pick my ass this guy at 8.6 rebounds.
Speaker 3:I told John did not impress me. Once he gave up what 30 and 14 against Edie and they're like well, he'll be a top 15 pick, while Edie maybe a second rounder. Edie can't play defense, I said hello, you tell me an NBA team right now that plays defense.
Speaker 4:I watched that. Yeah, I was watching they play defense.
Speaker 3:Pacers just scored 140-some points.
Speaker 4:Who's playing?
Speaker 3:defense. There ain't nobody Edie can compete, but yeah Klingin.
Speaker 2:Only thing that Klingin really did that I've seen was effective was taking away his left shoulder, because edie liked to turn to that left shoulder, a lot like that's his hook shot. He always turns to the left right, but then, once edie figured that out, he started faking to the left, going back to his right up and unders so he kind of figured it out, but he loves going to that left like early on, yeah, he was stopping that. But again it really came down to limiting produce, uh, perimeter shooters like that was really good.
Speaker 3:And you gotta get crazy. You gotta get bench points.
Speaker 2:You didn't yes, no bench points.
Speaker 3:That that was crazy too that was about the only highlight. But that's two out of three games where the bench did not uh show up. Uh, fletcher lawyer, it looked like the moment was too big for him out there. Lance jones had the and one to start the game and that's all you really heard from him. He wasn't even looking to shoot as like a green light type. That was frustrating there. Braden people lumped the guards, braden Smith, into the rest of the guards. But Braden had an okay game he did. He won 14, 15 points, but by that point it was almost too late. Mason Gillis I was really shocked how ineffective he was. But like I told John during the season, purdue's demise will be bigger athletic, more guards, faster guards that's what Fairleigh Dickinson had last year. These guys are bigger boys and it's no slouch man. Purdue was the number one team in the country Purdue was the second best team this year.
Speaker 3:Any other year they probably could have won the title.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing, after getting eliminated by a 16th seed last year and just such that disappointing season, to actually deliver and make it to the championship. That's your expectations. Like Purdue, like you have the potential, you have the team, you have everything you need to compete for a championship and that's what you did this year. So I mean, you know, being from Indy, and you know I mean of course a fan of Purdue, not a major fan, but I root for them. I mean I can't be mad at them, like you could beat it, but it just I think they just got out coached. So let's jump over to the women's side. This is interesting, of course, south Carolina beats Iowa. It was a battle for a while. Then, come that fourth quarter, south Carolina started to separate themselves and Iowa couldn't get a shot to drop After. The game is what made it more interesting. Of course, don Staley know Kaitlyn all her props.
Speaker 2:A lot of people were giving Kaitlyn her props just for what she's did, knowing that she's gonna. She's, uh, entering the WNBA draft, which is next week, I believe, um, which she'll be in the Indiana Fever, which that'd be great. We'd be able to watch her every day, all day, you know, I mean for the summer. Some of the women in the WNBA, especially Diana Taurasi, was saying to hey look, her game is not going to translate right away. She can. You know, it's probably going to take a year or two for her to get acclimated to the WNBA.
Speaker 2:She dominated college just because they wasn't as big and physical as they are in the WNBA. But it's going to be a different world for Kaitlyn, which I can see that. But her being a shooter, do we really think If nothing translates to pro-pro ball, it is shooting, maybe defense? It may take a while, it may be tick-and-tack, like you said, the girls are bigger and faster. You know they're training more. But shooting especially from where she shoots from, I find that hard. But go ahead, jerry, you had like a lot to say about this earlier. We was kind of pre-talking.
Speaker 4:I really just don't understand the hate you know for Kaitlyn Clark and it's like some people. So I was watching Shannon Sharp and Ocho earlier, their show from Monday night, and he was saying how you know, when a player is critiqued and it's not in favor of what somebody wants to hear, they call it hating. That's not exactly it. The difference is, when have we ever heard Diana Taurasi come out about any other rookie and just out of nowhere, oh, she's going to have it hard or her game isn't going to translate? That's hating, because this Kaitlin Clark is the leading scorer in the history of college basketball. So now, all of a sudden, you know I want to single out a rookie. Did she say anything about Aaliyah Boston last year? Nope, I didn't hear anything about, you know, aaliyah Boston and how it's going to take her X amount of time to translate, and Aaliyah Boston did start off kind of slow last year but she got to go on that rookie of the year.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. So it's just like that's what makes it hate when you pick who you give that energy to. That's what separates it from just giving an analysis of what you think.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. And if she had to generalize it and say, hey, look rookies coming into the WNBA we've seen in the past.
Speaker 4:They've struggled translating their game from college to pro ball At this particular time, if you haven't said it the other 95 years you've been in the WNBA it has to come, she's one of the oldest players.
Speaker 2:She's been around a long time, I think she's almost. Is she in her 40s? Almost she's got to be up there.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. She may be in her 40s.
Speaker 4:I was in high school.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:De'Rozzie's been around a while, she has to be up there and the fact that she's cutting down Clayton Clark and the things that this girl has done to promote women's, women's sports you saw the ratings for there and for you to cut that down, I thought Rebecca Lobo, who also was a Yukon Husky.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Had the perfect statement. She goes what the hell are you doing, Like we should be raising women up and you're sitting here trying to cut them down when we're trying to get. This is what the whole goal was to get more attention on women's sports and you're cutting down. What are you doing? I thought that was when she called that out. It's almost I agree.
Speaker 4:I think maybe you know they're jealous of the, the, um, the notoriety lights that are surrounding kaylin clark right now and it's like, hey man, she's bringing eyes to the sports. I can honestly say I watched more women's ball this year than I've probably watched combined my entire life.
Speaker 2:Me too.
Speaker 4:Let alone comparing it to how much men's ball I watched this year outside of University of Cincinnati. I probably didn't see a whole lot. You know what I'm saying. But I actually was tuned in to certain regular season games to see what was going on, and not even really so much all Kaitlin Clark Like. I watched the LSU-South Carolina game like every second of it.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. So I've seen some of the high-profile games and it's like it all centers around Kaitlin Clark and the excitement that she has brought to the sport. Why are others trying to tear it? Like Brandon said, cut that down. It makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2:And now guess what? All it makes no sense to me. And now guess what? All her games are probably going to be nationally televised.
Speaker 4:It just came out that the Pacers have 36 out of their 40 games nationally televised.
Speaker 2:Love it. So, like now, that's multiple teams, because there's only what? 10 teams in the WNBA? Yeah, somewhere like that. So now all y'all going to get shined because of this. You know what I mean. She probably going to, and I hope that she becomes like the LeBron James of the WNBA and start changing things as far as contracts, players getting more money, endorsements. If she does that and bring all that type of attention, Making a profit Exactly Ticket prices for her games, even when she's going to visit other teams, it's going to be high. You know what I mean? She's a ticket draw. That's revenue. When you're making more revenue, now you can ask for more money because you're saying, hey look, I'm bringing eyes and putting butts in the seats.
Speaker 3:And she also went after Angel Reese.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I didn't see that. What did she say?
Speaker 3:She said you're going to be waving bye-bye to your career, or something like that. Like it's, it's really odd.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she says a lot of weird things.
Speaker 2:But she sounds like one of those old gatekeepers of the game who just who's been around too long, who don't want to see change, who used to be the exciting thing in the WNBA. That's now not anymore. She's been hurt the past couple years in the WNBA. That's now not anymore. She's been hurt the past couple years. See, I don't think she's played a full season in the past two seasons. You know what I mean. And for somebody like her, after seeing what Brittany Griner went through like getting locked up, all the things you know that was going through with one of your teammates you should be the biggest advocate for women's basketball and women's sports and the positivity that surrounds the game.
Speaker 4:And then she went as far as to saying you know well, she dominated a whole bunch of 18-year-olds.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:What are we talking about? When has college basketball ever been, you know? Oh well, he's 18 and he's 20. When has that ever been a thing? College basketball is college basketball, Right? When has that ever been a thing? College basketball is college basketball, right? Somebody who won three you know college national championships as diana tarazi did you? If anybody should know that the competition is what it is right and we should and could we say that about you?
Speaker 2:then what if we start diminishing your championships? Oh, you won three championships over 18 year olds 18 and give you a slow clap you know what I I mean Like come on. It's so odd and she done won a couple WNBA championships. I think she at least got two.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she has, I think two. I think she got two. I think she got some league MVPs too. Yeah, a couple MVPs.
Speaker 2:Like come on.
Speaker 4:Very odd. I think it's just all jealousy, man. And it's crazy that you mentioned LeBron. Being a LeBron fan, it kind of irks me the same way.
Speaker 4:It's almost like LeBron has done what he's done, but you hate him and then you hate Caitlyn. What are these people doing except being great? All they've done is be great, but they have the most haters. That, and I hate even using that word, but they have the most haters that you know, and I hate even using that word, but they have the most people that dislike them. Just just. I don't.
Speaker 4:I don't understand it I don't get it and it's just very similar like and I guess that's why I keep the caitlin clark thing is kind of like you know, pinching a nerve, because I've experienced this my whole entire life, like you know.
Speaker 3:I I think they're also like you said. I think it's just jealousy, because I asked, I was talking to my wife and I said I wonder because during the women's final four especially South Carolina fans the national championship game, you're, you're winning that national title. Obviously it shows that one person who shoots lights out or whatever pressing you can't beat a team, a team effort, right, south Carolina team, effort pressing.
Speaker 3:You can't beat a team, a team effort, right, south Carolina team effort but like right after the game is over or even during the game, like commercials. What's one of the first commercials you see? Kaitlin Clark and State Farm. If that don't put jealousy on a lot of people, why is she getting it? Why is it like? Why is it Angel Reese getting a commercial for this? Why has it got to be Kaitlin Clark? You know, I hate to say it, I I hate to say it. I hope it's not as anything to do with race, but I feel like there's some jealousy at those type of things and, unfortunately, why is she getting the credit but this one's not? Why is this team getting credit for for that?
Speaker 4:And unfortunately, I think that's where a lot of it comes off of as well, unfortunately, I agree but I won't even go as far as to say it is even race, because Jake from State Farm is a black guy. People can't even use that. I don't.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying, brandon, and I think, with this being the entry level kind of endorsement gateway for women's as far as basketball and things of that nature, okay, look, caitlyn, get in there. Let's see who next can get in there. Tarazi, you could be in there. You're that good If you would play along. But if this is the attitude you bring in, we see why you're not a part of it. Angel Reese, I guarantee you when she gets drafted she will be. They'll probably do a commercial together. She can. Kaitlyn Clark can start bringing people in. Hey, I want to do something with her. Hey, let's do something.
Speaker 3:Don Staley had more commercials this year too.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it's like Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers they were doing State Farm commercials together.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're really limiting your opportunities by spreading that hate Instead of just embracing the situation, and it's pushing something you're doing forward. That's it.
Speaker 2:I don't understand. That's it. And Tarazi, unfortunately there wasn't NILs and you couldn't make this large bag of money when you were at UConn and you were doing your thing, and even as a rookie in the WNBA, you know in your early years and stuff like that. But you've been around for 20 years, almost like you've made enough money to where you shouldn't have this type of hate. You shouldn't have this type of hate and, if anything, you should be trying to get close to her and be a part of the team, part of the uplifting, and be given her guidance to help her, you know, navigate this landscape of the WNBA that she's going to be brand new to Like I just like said I don't get the hate from, like I said, the OGs. And that's one thing I can say about LeBron. Like a lot of people say, oh, he's trying to be friends with everybody. He's trying to help everybody, not only make a bag, but move the game forward, lebron has never torn anyone or any entity apart.
Speaker 4:I've never seen it.
Speaker 2:As far as basketball goes.
Speaker 4:I mean, he's misspoke on a few occasions. It's just like whoa, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:His personal opinion is his, but it's never been aimed at a person negatively like unless you know what I mean, or definitely not the game of basketball. It's always been a huge advocate for people and contracts and them getting their money and moving the game of basketball forward for everybody, not just himself. And I feel like tarazi is kind of being selfish in a sense yeah, she's been a little brat which is like you said earlier she's 41.
Speaker 4:I just looked it up. Come on.
Speaker 2:You've been in this game for 20 years.
Speaker 4:You're old enough to be Kayla Clark's mom. Come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 2:But you're making. You got a $5 million network and she made this in college. Yeah, right, yeah. So if anybody was trying to get close, I would be trying to get close to hey look, let's do some stuff together, like I'm trying to like hey look, I didn't put 20 years in it and I done made what? Half a million a year, that, like that's really it.
Speaker 4:Hey, I get some of these cool pe's from lebron.
Speaker 2:Hey, here's a couple like, come on, like here's a couple if anything I would be trying to you know know what I mean. Like I said, build a union of women to get endorsements, to move the game forward. And if Kaitlin Clark can spearhead that, come on, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3:I don't see why this is an issue. She's certainly pushing the game forward.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they're just going to not to get over it. Hopefully.
Speaker 2:So, oh man, we are moving quick. Man, this is, this is probably one of the fastest episodes, but we got draft news. So, man, um, this is one of the most recent uh mock drafts I could find. So, uh, this is just the top 10, but we can get. We, we can go even further. Um, do we agree? Chicago should take caleb williams?
Speaker 4:let's just start here man got you now I like you right, you got to now. But I'm starting to think that the quarterback position is starting to ruin the sport a little bit, like I talked about last week. I think it's too centered around and it's like almost teams are just picking quarterbacks because they feel that they have to. I don't know, I mean, they've clearly seen more than I do. Like Brandon said, they have to pick Caleb Williams, I guess. I mean I mean, a quarterback Does it have to be Caleb Williams? I trade back and get Michael Penix.
Speaker 3:I think they're gun shy on Drake May. They've already had a white quarterback from North Carolina with Trubisky, so I don't think they're going to go that way.
Speaker 4:I don't understand why the whole entire NFL is not, you know, gunshot on. I don't see it. Y'all like J May, him. I feel like him and Sam Howell are the same exact person and I feel like you can sprinkle a little Daniel Jones, like they're all the same person.
Speaker 2:I mean Sam Howell was top five in passing this year, yeah, but he's not getting it done.
Speaker 4:But you know I am a big stats guy so I do respect that Like that's a respectable, you know comment there, but he's just not that guy. He's just not that guy. And I just can't see what they really see in Drake May. But Vernon, you know I'm super, super critical of you know, you are Not that I mean to Like you know, it's just I don't know. I can't even really explain it.
Speaker 2:No, I understand, Like you wanted him, like hey look, I believe it when I see it, and you got to prove it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like even Jaden Daniels. Like I'm not really sure. Like I said, I personally think that Michael Penix Jr is the best quarterback in the draft. That's who I would be trying, especially if I can trade out a number one. Move down a little bit. You still got your number four overall. Move down a little bit, maybe get two number ones or early, I don't know Maybe an early second in a later first round. I don't know. But I thinkael pennix jr is the most nfl ready.
Speaker 2:You know quarterback, but that's I think I think the only thing with pennix you just can't ignore his medical history. So I think that's the only thing that really, even though he's had two healthy seasons in washington, like pretty much injury free since he he messed up his knees in Indiana yeah, both of them, but he's had two healthy seasons, you know what I mean played in the national championship.
Speaker 4:I watched him cook Ohio State when he was at IU, so he really has three seasons. But IU being IU, you know they can never put together the full package Like. I've watched them countless times where they just can't. They never have all the right pieces at the same time. But he cooked on us.
Speaker 2:So I think that's just. I think that's just always scary Scare teams away or pushes a quarterback down in the draft. I think the one I seen he was at like mid-first round.
Speaker 4:Somebody's going to pick him up and somebody would do well.
Speaker 2:I think they had him going to the Raiders.
Speaker 4:I've also watched a lot of Caleb Williams. I think his success is predicated on something that NFL teams don't necessarily do. I don't think his style of play is really I don't know. I've been wrong before. I'm going to be wrong some more.
Speaker 3:I'm nervous about that coaching staff with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what they say that more quarterbacks, more top quarterbacks, fail in the NFL not because of their talent or what their ability is, because of the situation they're placed in. So if we look back to last year and you look at Bryce Young, like, look what he was dropped into. Just a terrible situation. I don't think that Bryce Young can't play quarterback or he can't be good, but you got to have the right GM to put the pieces around. You got to have the right coach who has the you know what I mean that can tailor their offense to. You know his strengths, you know you got to have the right quarterback coach who's talking in his ear and preparing him. You know every week the right way. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:That's completely correct and guys and teams aren't like the Carolina Panthers. At no point did they try to improve that team. Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2:If anything, they got worse.
Speaker 4:Right, just like the years with Justin Fields in Chicago. At no point did they go all in and try to revamp and make that roster good. They never did it. You know this is the best Outside of who they pick at number one. This is the best bears team we've seen in years. Like I can't remember the last time we've seen this solid of a roster. But then you just wasted four. Was it three or four years with justin fields? Three I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, brandon. What you think man like when quarterbacks you. What do you think man Like when quarterbacks you know what do you? How do you think these college quarterbacks have success in the NFL?
Speaker 3:Obviously, I kind of go off of what you said. I think you have to be placed in the right system for it to be. No matter what your talent level is not where you're coming from. Draft. Like you said, bryce Young put in a horrible situation there. Frank Wright, your coach for one, has not an up-and-coming coach. Offensive coordinator is gone. You traded your number one wide receiver away, so you didn't give him any pieces there to work with you already traded your running back away.
Speaker 3:So I look at that and then sorry, jared, I look at my. Pittsburgh Steelers when they drafted Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger wasn't a great quarterback coming out of Miami, Ohio. He came in. They went 15-1 his first year when he first came in System. That's the coach. He had a great quarterback coach there, with Foll there and the surrounding pieces around with an offensive line so I think, if you break it down by percentages, I I think it's like coaching and system probably. I'm gonna say 65, 65, 35, maybe, if not, 70, 30, even.
Speaker 2:Because I look at it too, like you're not drafting this guy this high if he doesn't have the talent or even the potential to play quarterback in the NFL. You're not using these top picks on him. You know what I mean. You're probably not drafting a QB period. That's probably one of the most sure positions, uh, when you're scouting that you want to be, you know pretty precise on when drafting, whether even in the late rounds, you know what I mean. Like when you pick a quarterback, you're like okay, we believe this guy at some point may be able to help us and how much pressure are these top teams feel?
Speaker 3:pressured into picking a quarterback? Well, they may not want to, but they're pressured into taking a chance and doing it.
Speaker 4:Andy Jarrett says that it's ruining a lot of these teams' chances and they don't even realize it, unless you have a Pat Mahomes or a Joe Burrow or you know. I'm still on the Herbert train. I still think he can get it done. I'm still on the Herbert train, I still think he can get it done. But unless you got that top-tier guy like the Giants, what did they just do? They literally just what did you do? I hear they might be in the running for a quarterback. You just pay this guy. I don't know. I can't remember how many dollars were guaranteed, but you gave Daniel Jones four years, 140, 160?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right now the mock draft has them grabbing neighbors who told you to do that.
Speaker 4:Like whose idea was that it's?
Speaker 2:crazy, but you also look at it too, like, and you look at the teams that are successful. You look at the Kansas City's, you look at the Phillies, you look at the San Fran's.
Speaker 4:Who the Eagles?
Speaker 2:I said the Philly's.
Speaker 4:That's a baseball team bro.
Speaker 2:No, I mean Philly like Philadelphia.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Not the Philly's, I mean Philly's, I'm like man that just Sorry, no Real quick. Sorry, no, the Eagles. You look at these teams, the Buffaloes you look at these teams that have the top tier QBs and they're normally perennial playoff teams, you know what I mean. Like they're usually winning games, like they're usually quarterback driven. And you look back to the 90s, like you look at those top teams, you had good quarterbacks and great running games and usually solid defenses yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like now, it's just unturned to where you look at where somebody like payton can come in and affect the game so much, you're like, oh shoot, that's the turn. Like okay, look what he's doing, we need somebody like payton. Then you look at the tom brady you're like, oh shoot, look at all these championships he's winning and they're giving it all to Peyton.
Speaker 4:I mean they're giving it all to Tom Brady, you can keep your team together. It's to a point where you pay the quarterback so much money you can't even keep. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:you can't even keep your stars but they look at it like okay, cool if we have. They look at somebody like Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City is just, they could be the outlier, they could be the exception to the rule or they can be the rule, patrick.
Speaker 4:Mahomes is the anomaly.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. But when you're winning, that's the model, it's copycat league. That's the model right now.
Speaker 4:But you can't model, even being a Cincinnati Joe Burrow fan, like you can't model Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2:Right, but if you look at, okay, we have our quote. Unquote Patrick Mahomes in Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying but this is how teams look when they're looking at the QB position. They're like, hey look, we have the most important position in sports. We have that cover.
Speaker 4:You got Joe Burrow, I think anybody will say, look, if we had joe burrow, we're okay at qb, that gives us a chance for sure. So now, what else do we need? Not, if you can't keep t higgins, you can't pay anybody. You can't pay the line, you can't get, you literally can't buy the, the best player at any position on the field but you got to be willing to.
Speaker 2:Also when you have that qb, are you willing to be willing to also when you have that QB, are you willing to pay that QB and kick that money down the road? You know what I mean. A lot of teams aren't willing because teams like the Rams are going to pay for it on the back end. Eventually it's going to catch up with Kansas City, like, eventually, this money you know, philly, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Jerry Snead goal it's just like he's potentially going to be an all-pro corner. Had to let him go because they can't pay him, that's crazy yeah and it's like okay, can we let him go because we can't pay him, because we gave Joe Burrow the whole franchise.
Speaker 2:Yep, but then you see these younger guys coming in and participating. And Brandon, what do you think? I mean, especially being a Pittsburgh fan. Brandon, look at what y'all are doing. Y'all bringing in a bunch of young guys. They're just getting younger and it's just like, hey, look at some point. Hey, we got to bring in somebody young. Still got a hell of a deal man, it's crazy.
Speaker 4:Hell of a deal.
Speaker 3:It's also like wide receivers and running backs. We're not going to pay that big contract. We can, we'll go out, find somebody either. This is what you're worth if you want to come back. If not, no sweat. How many years was it the Steelers could find a wide receiver in the draft?
Speaker 2:a lot.
Speaker 3:It's. It's like damn, we lost Antonio Holmes. Well, or yeah, plexiglas Bam gone. So Tony Holmes coming in, manuel Sanders coming in. Uh, you know cats like that so yeah, and it's like you said, you spend all this money on that quarterback. Well, guess what? Damn that offensive line. Somebody gets through that offensive line, sacks you, gets that guy hurt, Then what? Then it's all for nothing, yep.
Speaker 2:But you look at some of the best teams in the NFL. They usually always start in the trenches. You always start drafting in the trenches and and get that together first, because if you can get to the quarterback or you can stop people from getting to your quarterback, that's ultimately decides the game.
Speaker 4:So um, it's like the bingos are paying joe burr all this money but we're only getting, you know, rejects from other teams. Guys, nobody else want to play line? Oh yeah, bring them to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2:But that also was like I don't know Cincinnati's process to scouting and drafting and all that we don't have scouts, because it's like you gotta go out here.
Speaker 4:I think we have like 20% of the amount of scouts as all the rest of the NFL teams have. I think we have like one or two the amount of scouts as all the rest of the NFL teams have, I think we have like one or two scouts. Everybody else has like five to ten.
Speaker 2:I mean, I just think that eventually, like you said, you got to invest in the offensive line, defensive line, and then you just work your way back.
Speaker 4:I mean, and you got to draft. Well, if you're not going to open up the checkbook, you have to be elite when it comes to drafting. And it's just like we're drafting the same positions every year. I was watching ESPN yesterday on my lunch. I came home and they're like the needs are running back wide receiver. We just drafted two wide receivers last year, but we're so idiotic of an organization that we don't even understand. Hey, let's let these guys get some reps to see what we actually have, so next season we can go into it.
Speaker 4:Hey, is Charlie Jones going to be a number one? Can he be a number one? Yes, no, maybe no. Is Isova? I haven't nailed his name down right, it's the guy from Princeton. Can he be a legit number two? Is he a number three? Is he just a special teams guy? What do we have? And it's like, if you're going to pay your quarterback, all that money to where, you got to keep drafting, like Kansas City, you got to be able to find the talent to make it work, and we can't figure it out.
Speaker 2:And that's why, like with the Colts, I have faith in Chris Ballard, like a lot of people are like oh man, we don't never sign no big free agents. We don't never do this Like we've got to even this point through drafting Some of our best years, you know, even with Andrew Luck and you know post-Andrew Luck, you know what I mean. Any success we done had it's always been through the draft. We never pay big-time players, we never go and grab huge free agents. We just never been that team and we never been a huge destination for free agents.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. Was that Gilmore? Was he a trade?
Speaker 2:or no he was a free agency sign, but we it was only a, it was only a two year deal. Like that's not. You know, to me that's not big, unless you know it's somebody young, know somebody that's um top, five, top. You know what I mean at their position. You know what I mean like to me that's big, you know. I mean you give them that contract, like you said, like a snee he goes to the titans, he gets that money like hey, ballard's also struck out quite a bit yeah, yeah, but you look, you look at the pillars of our team.
Speaker 4:They're all drafted I mean, but they haven't had a whole lot of success either, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we haven't nailed down the main position, which is JV.
Speaker 4:I don't even think the quarterback is the main, it is, but I think the NFL is turning towards. I mean, then you get in a situation like the Buffalo Bills, like yeah, you got your guy that you think is going to Where's the rest of the team. Like bills, like yeah, you got, you got your guy that you you know things gone. But like you you can't like where, where's the rest of the team? Like where you gotta put a team around the quarterback as well, and it's just like I think teams are going towards this patrick mahomes model. Oh, as long as I got patrick mahomes, I can just get anybody from anywhere and we're going to go to the Super Bowl. That's not reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah. For every team no I agree, I mean it's not but it's like, like you said, you got to draft. Well, that's the number. One thing is like people not drafting well, like I mean everybody's not going to be a hit and it's hard to find them. We don't even give Dallas chances.
Speaker 4:Like we still haven't even gave Chris Evans out of Michigan a chance to really see what he's capable of. We just don't give people chances and then we just keep drafting the same positions. When I was telling y'all I was watching SportsCenter yesterday, they were talking about we need running back too. We just took one last year. Why are we needing the same positions? Defensive tackle we took one in the first round last year. The guy didn't even start Like why are we drafting the same positions over and over, and over and over and over again?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Speaking of the draft, you're paying your quarterback a billion dollars a year, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:Speaking of the draft, so I guess to get back to the draft. I mean, we've been talking draft.
Speaker 3:I got to say your Ballard thing real quick. My last thing on Ballard there is only and I've got a, somebody did a spreadsheet here I'm looking at From the 2017, 2018, and 2019 drafts where Ballard had several picks. They had 20-something pick, 24 total picks. There's only three that are in the league still Damn Okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's not good.
Speaker 3:That's not good.
Speaker 2:Over three In five years From five years ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah, damn, what three are they?
Speaker 2:What three are they? Grover Stewart Okay, let's see Quver.
Speaker 3:Stewart. Okay, let's see Quentin Nelson.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I mean you could say Darius, I guess he has him as a no right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean he was hurt, but before you know what I mean he was, these are all I was about to say. These are all some of the top players that they position.
Speaker 3:It's like six EJ Speed and Bobby Okereke. Speed's still with the team.
Speaker 2:He has his own one here.
Speaker 3:I know that's a.
Speaker 2:But Speed just started, I mean he just moved up from backup. And Okereke, I mean up until last year he was with us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a bunch of he does draft grades. There's draft grades how they did for each year. Okay, they gave him a D a D, an F, a D, f and a C. Jeez, okay yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, anyways, go on. So do Washington go QB at number two with Drake May. No, I mean, you say he's just like Sam Howell, I mean why you already got Sam Howell there. That's what I think, too, I like.
Speaker 4:If anything, if I was Washington I would probably change that. So I don't know who they have now. Yeah, that's true. So I mean I think that's another situation. Like you said, Brandon, with the Bears, I mean I guess you have to take one now. I mean I don't know where else you go.
Speaker 2:What about New England? Do New England have three? Is that what they have to have?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what it's looking like.
Speaker 2:Because I mean you do got Marvin Harrison. I mean I guess that would be at Arizona the first non-quarterback. They're saying he'd go to Arizona.
Speaker 4:But shit, arizona might be looking for a quarterback.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard they may, it may be a, but I mean, who wants Murray, like with all the slander they done't put behind Murray like who? Who takes Murray, like who trades you know what I mean Like who trades into that that number? I mean, would you trade the number four and Murray? Or do you? I mean trade Murray for like what Another first rounder Like do you trade back to like Denver, maybe Denver?
Speaker 4:See, that's the type. That's the type of player I would take at 20 million dollars a season and I would build a decent little team around it. You could still have one, even two top wide receivers, you could have a running back, you could have a defense. That's, that's the type of player. If I'm running the team, that's the type of player that that that I.
Speaker 4:Who Kyla Murray I would take him at $45 million a season, but at $17, $20,. If he can take a two-year $40, two-year $50 million contract, I'd give that to him. Like, all right, cool, we're going to go out and get a top five receiver. Whether we got to draft him, whether we got to because we can afford him, you're not getting $60, $70 million a season. We can afford that. Devontae Adams, we can afford that T Higgins.
Speaker 2:We can afford these guys, so let's go out. Yeah, but you have to. I mean the thing, and I know I hear what you're saying and to just say, hey, look, this is who we want. We're going to go get them. Like, first off, do they want to leave? They have to be available Everybody's available, Vernon, Everybody's available.
Speaker 4:We see all pro guys get traded for six-round picks every month. It seems like Everybody's available.
Speaker 2:But Stephon Diggs was an issue Like what would you think? Okay, so I'm going to take that issue? No, I'm just saying like that's the reason why he got out of Buffalo and Minnesota. You look at somebody like Devontae Adams who wants to be in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4:No, he doesn't. Who said that he wanted to be with his buddy? He don't care nothing about Las Vegas.
Speaker 2:He could have left. Why didn't he live there? He could have Derek Cole. Okay, so they have to be available. You just said everybody's available.
Speaker 4:He can be traded for. But he can't just say, oh, I'm out of here, I'm gone, okay, so what you're saying.
Speaker 2:you would trade to go get him. Yeah, what are you willing to give up for somebody who don't want to leave?
Speaker 4:Who says he don't want to and it's not even up to him for one, and then two who says he don't want to leave, he wanted to go to Las Vegas for Derek Carr. Derek Carr's gone. So if somebody came, if the Bears wanted Devontae Adams, and they say, hey, here, here's the number four overall pick, you don't think that that trade's going to happen.
Speaker 2:No, they would ask for a lot more Shit. No, they're not For a proven number one like Devontae Adams For a bag of chips. See, you're saying they're equal, these teams? Wait a minute. You're saying they're equal. You're saying Stephon Diggs and Devontae Adams are equal.
Speaker 1:They're in the same tier?
Speaker 2:yes, Okay, I guess I'll be saying some crazy stuff.
Speaker 4:That's not crazy. I don't think Devontae Adams and Stephon Diggs are in the same team have had more production than Stephon Diggs the last five years. Devontae Adams, oh, okay, okay, now you might have to look that up. Look it up first. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 2:I don't need to look that up.
Speaker 4:I'm going to do it for you. I don't think nobody's had more catches than Stephon Diggs the last five years.
Speaker 2:bro Are we just talking catches or are we talking production? Because catches is one thing, going touchdowns is another thing.
Speaker 4:And yards. Are catches, not production.
Speaker 2:Bernie. No, I mean, but you can have a. I look at somebody like you. Look at somebody like Michael Pittman. He had over 100 catches but he didn't have a ton of yards and he only had like four touchdowns. So is that production?
Speaker 4:yeah he had a lot of catches. He scores touchdowns too, so that's let's not.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying like I'm well, I'm just saying we don't. You just said catches. I just want to make sure we're looking at the totality.
Speaker 4:One point like I didn't run through all of them. But yeah, stefan diggs is not a scrub, I'm not saying he'll scrub. What players do you see go for fourth overall picks? Has that, has that ever even happened?
Speaker 2:No, but it would have to be somebody like Justin Jefferson, like that's, if you're giving away the number four, or like those top five picks, like you got to be the best of the best for that.
Speaker 4:Nobody's giving those up, period bro. Like nobody's giving like no. So that takes me back to like everybody. You're in that number four, pick for, for, for what's the name? And you're gonna have to pay him, when you could just draft marvin harrison and then gotta pay him really nothing for four or five years okay.
Speaker 2:So everybody's not available, and just because you want somebody, don't mean you can go get them stefan diggis had four straight 100 plus catch seasons, all 1,000 yards.
Speaker 4:Come on, man.
Speaker 2:Touchdown. And what have Devontae Adams done?
Speaker 4:Look it up, then Look it up. You're arguing with me, I'm not arguing with you.
Speaker 1:Look it up.
Speaker 4:You see, why is he not still with the Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 2:Everybody's, because he wanted out.
Speaker 4:He was a free agent. Everybody is available. Why is he not still with the Green Bay Packers?
Speaker 2:Everybody's Because he wanted out. That's what I said. He was a free agent. What do?
Speaker 4:you mean Everybody is available. Like what do you what? He's a free agent Everybody's available bro. That's not the same. It's very much so the same sir.
Speaker 2:So being a free agent and being traded is the same.
Speaker 4:That's what you're saying at this point. Yeah, if you can just say, oh, I want to leave or I'm gonna get into an argument with the coach and you're gonna trade me for a bag of chips and in a pack of starbursts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Tyreek hill wanted out. Did he not leave? Did he not get gone? He got traded too so you can, if you can force yourself out of a place that you can.
Speaker 4:But if okay, so that to your point, you're saying that he doesn't want to be there, then why is he not forcing himself out?
Speaker 2:I'm saying that literally just backfires everything. No, but you were talking about hey look, when you get a cheap quarterback, you can just go after the top-tier players, and I'm just saying they're not that easy to acquire. You have to pay them.
Speaker 4:So you mean to tell me, if the Cardinals called the Bengals right now and was like, hey, I got a first-round pick this year and a first-round pick next year, it wouldn't even take that much for T Higgins. You don't think T Higgins is going to have to pack his bags and go out to Arizona? He's gone.
Speaker 2:Yes for T Higgins. Yes, but T Higgins is not that good I wouldn't give that up for T Higgins is not that good. I wouldn't give that up for T Higgins, Ever, Ever. That's semantics. No right For Devontae Adams, yes. For Justin Jefferson, yes, but for T Higgins you're not giving up two first rounds. That was just an example.
Speaker 4:Vernon, it was just an example.
Speaker 2:Okay. All right Literally just an example Devontae Adams had 103 catches.
Speaker 4:It proves my point that everybody can go.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm trying to say. Yes, I'm not saying what guys are worth and what guys will be traded for.
Speaker 2:But when we're talking about building a team, yes.
Speaker 4:What I'm saying is if Arizona really wanted to say, hey, I'm going to take the approach, I'm just going to take this $20 million quarterback and I'm going to go get me a receiver that's available. Yes, they can make a trade for davante adams, okay a receiver, that's available for t higgins happen.
Speaker 2:Yes, they can go get one of these receivers if, if they are available, like you just said, if they're available when I said for the price, everybody's available.
Speaker 4:Okay, just like I live in the house, is my house for sale? No, but could it be for sale, absolutely, absolutely, for the right price. You can buy it. Tomorrow we'll leave, we'll find somewhere else to live. So, yes, everything, every everybody's available. Bro, there's very few people that are untouchable patrick mahomes, joe burrow, burrow, some of your quarterbacks, but as far as these position players, they clearly don't even want to pay the guys.
Speaker 2:By the way, devontae Adams, the past four years has had over 100 catches dimmed near 1,500 yards every year.
Speaker 4:I'm looking at it, last year, okay, no, no 1144 every year.
Speaker 2:Two out of the four years he had 1500 the year he didn't wait a minute 13, 1374 one year. With the green bay packers he had 83, 997.
Speaker 4:The year before that he had 11, uh, 111 catches for 1386 around the point he had 13 touchdowns that year, 18 11 14 adams versus stefan diggs that was never never, never I know the conversation was availability of top tier players exactly, and davante adams, in my opinion, would be available absolutely okay, for two first round picks per year per year that was just an example. We're arguing availability, bro. Yeah, right, but available. But I'm trying to okay, I'm trying to make is if a team wanted to go get him, they could go get him yes yes, so, yes, so you agree with that.
Speaker 2:I agree with that.
Speaker 4:That's all I was saying.
Speaker 2:That's it. So let's go back to the original conversation. When you say you're building a team and you're just going to go after somebody because everybody's available, you're willing to raid your future and overpay for somebody just to get somebody.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. We saw the Los Angeles Rams do it and they won a championship.
Speaker 2:We saw the Los Angeles Rams do it, and they won a championship, did they not?
Speaker 4:All they got was Matt Stafford. What are you talking about? They went and got homeboy from Jacksonville. God damn, jalen Ramsey, they got him. They end up picking him.
Speaker 2:They won the Super Bowl when they got him. Yes, that same year?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it wasn't the same year, it was a couple years after.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they got him and they formed a team. That's why they're gonna be probably. You just said it that it's gonna end up catching up to them. You literally just said that.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, their salary cap, their salary cap problems have been horrible, but they went all in and they got a championship.
Speaker 4:They got the pieces together that they needed.
Speaker 2:Once they got a QB, they got a championship.
Speaker 4:They won a Super Bowl. That's part of it. Okay, they got them together, they won a Super Bowl, but he wasn't getting $75 million a season. He wasn't getting $230 million fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2:He was one of the top paid cornerbacks in the league and Matt Stafford was one of the top paid quarterbacks Well, not at that time, once he got to them. But he restructured his contract.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm just saying he was a 50-40, 50 million.
Speaker 2:He was close to 40.
Speaker 4:Did nobody really think that he was going to come in. I didn't think he was going to come in and win a Super Bowl that quick. I mean he was the same Matt Stafford in Detroit. But, like I said, you got to put a team around these quarterbacks you can't just have outside of. If your name is not Patrick Mahomes II. You can't just put a quarterback out here and expect them to win with just anybody. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Speaker 2:Does Dak Prescott have an excuse? Then who Dak Prescott?
Speaker 4:Does he have an excuse for what? Yeah, for not winning.
Speaker 2:They got a team around him Nothing to do with it and they're paying him a stupid amount of money.
Speaker 4:And it's crazy. I feel like if they hadn't paid him so much, maybe they probably could have kept some guys, but I mean they got rid of Zeke. Not saying Zeke had a whole lot left, but I mean, you know you got rid of Zeke. They're talking about CD Lamb might hold out Like that's the kind of crap that happens when you overpay your quarterback.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Okay, deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Deshaun.
Speaker 3:Watson 63 mil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they still getting guys. That's the kind of shit, and they still have a team around him.
Speaker 4:But we'll see if they're going to win. I mean tough-ass division. Yeah, we'll see what happens. They could either win it or finish last, and that's for every team in the NFC North. So if you finish last and you have a guaranteed quarterback making 230, all fully guaranteed, that's on you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's something you got to do. But to get Cooper to get, they just got old boy from Denver. I don't know how they're still. They still got a good offensive line On defense. They keep Garrett. They still are getting guys in. They're putting young guys with it.
Speaker 4:There's tricks to it and they figured it out, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's ways to do it and pay your quarterback. Which do we? Is the quarterbacks not deserve it?
Speaker 4:I'm asking that's a real question uh, only only a couple, only a few like who, who do you, who, who do you think? Okay, we're getting away from. You know, we're getting away from talking Okay cool, so F5, back to the draft.
Speaker 2:I think this is pretty accurate Chargers offensive linemen.
Speaker 4:Shit, I'm taking it. Yeah, I think they got to go receiver there.
Speaker 3:You don't have no receivers.
Speaker 4:Marvin Harrison yeah, you got to go. Marvin Harrison, or neighbors you almost have to, especially with Herbert Now. Now, if you had a quarterback that was maybe kind of younger and a little bit more inexperienced where you're, you know, but like Herbert, this is, this is time that the time is now like you have to win. Now it's like I understand that offensive linemen, you know vital, but he has no receivers. They let them all go. Keenan Allen he was available. Somebody went and got him. They just discarded Mike Williams like he was nothing.
Speaker 2:Somebody picked him up. So you don't think none of the young guys like Palmer, quentin Johnston, yeah, some of them, young guys. That they already got, do they get a chance? I mean, we were just talking about giving young guys on the roster a shot.
Speaker 4:Do I think they're legitimate number ones?
Speaker 2:No, Well, we don't know yet. They haven't played enough.
Speaker 4:That's why I said I don't think you asked me, did I think?
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying they ain't played enough, so do they need to draft?
Speaker 4:another young guy. I can tell you, I'm assuming that the number one receiver bro.
Speaker 2:They had two number ones and they couldn't really make no noise.
Speaker 4:That's a problem, but now they have none, that's not going to make their situation better. Sounds a little worse to me. Keenan Allen is a stud. They've had injuries too, bro. They've been banged up They've been unlucky. Very seldom are they both on the team. They had that idiot coach in there, so I think their results from the past two or three years have been a little skewed, just based on bullshit.
Speaker 2:But I mean, you look at Jim Harbaugh. Even when he was at San Francisco he did a lot with a little.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe he don't need to make that. We got somebody else listen. Dave's probably got more catches, but his yards and touchdown are better than avante no, that's, that's cement like we're.
Speaker 4:We're getting off time no, that's just somebody.
Speaker 2:I just I just didn't click on it that's, that's not what like that has, that.
Speaker 4:That's irrelevant to the the subject matter.
Speaker 2:Like sure, like okay um, giants, they're okay, so they're looking receiver. They I think they sticking the subject matter. Sure, giants, they're looking receiver. I think they're sticking with your boy. They're looking at neighbors instead of Look Again. Maybe it's just a chance you paid your quarterback. Put some weapons around him.
Speaker 3:I don't think they believe in that quarterback either.
Speaker 2:I mean, but then who you? I mean like again, like it's not a lot of elite quarterbacks. Hey, how?
Speaker 4:do you? You know what I would have done. I would have let whatever happened to Daniel Jones and we would have just ran with Terod Taylor until we could figure out something else Like. I just think the teams are just jumping on having to make moves and it's just like, bro, if it ain't you it ain't it. If that's not the guy, it's not Hold on.
Speaker 3:What'd you say, Brandon? They're better off just putting Tommy DeVito back in there.
Speaker 2:Hey, devito did not play bad. Certainly cheaper, right, certainly cheaper. I think you put him in it like hey look, you give him an offseason. You know what I mean? A little more depth in the playbook. I mean again.
Speaker 3:They didn't trade for Mac Jones, to be honest, just because maybe he could have been a little better in New York. Who is this person?
Speaker 4:Let me figure out who this person is. Who? Mac Jones? No, the person that's writing these comments, let me figure out who. Did they watch the whole like I'm not sure who that is.
Speaker 3:Did you watch the?
Speaker 4:whole conversation or did you just come in on a part?
Speaker 2:of it. They probably didn't hear the whole thing, but I mean whatever. Yeah, I mean there was some decent quarterbacks out there that you could have maybe brought in to compete. I don't think QB competition is ever a bad thing in the NFL. So I think I mean you bring somebody in and even if you don't keep Matt Jones, it's like all right, let's see if maybe he catch on to the playbook better, maybe he make better decisions. I think Daniel Jones' ability to run I think they like that. I mean.
Speaker 4:Matt Jones is not taking on. That's tough.
Speaker 2:I mean, but it's guaranteed you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I can't remember either.
Speaker 2:But I mean still like at that time he wasn't playing awful. They made the playoffs.
Speaker 4:Like 82 million is guaranteed. Yeah, it sucks yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 4:I mean, I guess after this season they could cut him, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But like again, like that year they made the playoffs. Like, didn't they beat? Did they beat Minnesota? Did they? Yeah, they beat they beat Minnesota, did they? Yeah, they beat Minnesota that year in the playoffs. So like in the first round, because I think Minnesota had a super good record and we were just talking about they got bounced in the first round. So, yeah, I think the Giants beat them. I watched that game and he has a playoff win, like so.
Speaker 4:I mean, bro, if that's how you I Like.
Speaker 2:So I mean, bro, if that's how you, if that's how I mean I'm just saying, like when you justifying like to just kick somebody out and bring in somebody new, it's like what? Like are you sure you're getting better?
Speaker 4:I would. I mean I didn't necessarily say you had to kick him out, I just wouldn't have paid him that much. Like bro, you can take this two for 35, or I you can go. I mean I don't even think that was there even a market for for daniel jones. I'm not sure anybody would have even been on his trail like that. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean I agree, I don't know, Like maybe now in hindsight you're looking back, you're like, okay, maybe he wasn't worth that much, but when he's winning games for you and, like I said, you're getting you to the playoffs, I mean that's the first step of taking that next step. And a lot of QBs can't say they've done it. I mean you, look at you. We could jump back to Herbert. We're still waiting on a playoff win from this man. He got all the monies so. But Tennessee at seven, they look in the offensive line, I think with you know a young quarterback. Of course you want to protect him. They got weapons. That's one thing. They're not short on on the offensive end is weapons. I don't think they need to go after any more weapons. That's one thing. They're not short on on the offensive end is weapons. I don't think they need to go after any more weapons. Maybe defense.
Speaker 4:Some pass rushers Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Tennessee at seven.
Speaker 4:You said they're loaded with weapons.
Speaker 2:On offense. They don't have offensive weapons. I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about. They have Hopkins. Who else they got at receiver? They just grabbed somebody else at receiver. They still got Traylon Burks. No, who else they just get? They just lost him. We was talking about who was opposite.
Speaker 3:They got Ridley, ridley, calvin. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then they got Pollard at running back from Dallas. I mean, when compared to Derrick Henry, no, but I mean Snead, yeah. So I mean I'm just saying maybe sure up the offensive line.
Speaker 4:Of course that's not all that they need to do when you've got a rookie. I'm not sure if they are either, but I mean that's.
Speaker 2:Not sold on who?
Speaker 4:Levis, that's the quarterback. They haven't did nothing else. I think they're rolling with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no that's what I'm saying
Speaker 3:I don't think anybody would be like.
Speaker 2:They picked up Mason, yeah, but I mean, of course everybody wants a solid backup. I don't think you. I mean because Tannehill's not there. He's a free agent, so you didn't bring him back.
Speaker 4:Where is he going to go?
Speaker 2:I don't know. He's a free agent, that's what I'm saying. So you don't bring him back. So it's not a competition now.
Speaker 3:Should have been up here over Joe Flacco. I'm just going to say that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he probably wanted.
Speaker 2:Joe Flacco is probably like hey, you can just pay me whatever. I mean, you can pay me in ding dongs, I'm cool, I mean. But the NFL is also. What have you done for me lately? League and Tannehill hasn't done anything lately. You got benched for a rookie.
Speaker 3:What did Joe Flacco do in the playoffs, besides get stomped?
Speaker 2:He got him, he kept him in playoff contention.
Speaker 3:Okay, but once you got there, you gotta do something with it.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know, I can't answer. Okay, but once you got there, you got to do something with it. I mean I don't know, I mean I can't answer. For that that's like saying hey, Purdue went 33-1.
Speaker 3:They go to the NCAA tournament as number one seed. They get beat by the 16. I mean Terrible.
Speaker 2:Right. And then, like you look back at this year and you're like, okay, expectations are high. We know the pressure. There's more pressure on it. I don't feel like I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's a hard comparison, to put that in.
Speaker 2:No, no, I mean I think they're the same. I don't think they're that different talent-wise, like I don't think Joe Flacco and Tannehill is like this far apart, right. But I mean you look at Flacco, you can, you can say, okay, he did this lately, like tannahill. You're like, okay, the last thing you remember about tannahill, he's been hurt and he got benched for a rookie even when he was healthy. They didn't bring him back in and will livers didn't play. I don't think he played good enough to to we. I think we agree, like you said, they're running with him, but I don't think he played that well enough to where you don't put Tannehill back in.
Speaker 3:No, I think they're just going off what it could be.
Speaker 2:Yes, and potential, yeah, and, like I said, I think Tannehill, like I wouldn't have been angry if we'd have got Tannehill, I mean, like I said, anybody who could help, anthony Richardson, you know in his second year practice, his rookie season.
Speaker 3:I don't see it.
Speaker 2:That one may be a lost cause.
Speaker 4:Man, that's crazy. These guys don't even be getting realistic chances, and that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think I've seen enough. You've seen enough of Willis. No, no, not Willis, we're talking about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say if you haven't seen enough of Zach Wilson man, I don't know what you've been watching.
Speaker 4:I've seen too much of Zach Wilson. Okay, all right, cool, cool. I'm glad we agree on that. I don't know why I thought you were talking about.
Speaker 3:Willis from Tennessee. He was with Tennessee. Yeah, I mean he got a real short leash there, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so moving on, we got Atlanta at eight. They're going to edge rusher D Turner, so like I said, I don't think that's bad.
Speaker 4:They still got a young, nice offensive line. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think their offense is relatively young. They're going there. You got Kyle Pitts. A lot of them guys are still on rookie contracts, I believe yeah yeah, yeah, they got some pieces. So I'm not angry with defense going that way. You got Chicago again at nine Another weapon, I don't know why. I thought they had one at four.
Speaker 4:I'm tripping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you kept saying Chicago at four. Yeah, it was Arizona at four.
Speaker 3:I love that wide receiver. I wish he'd be a stealer instead, but I don't think he's going to land it, yeah, a Dune.
Speaker 2:Was it a Dune? Yet A Dune's out. I mean again, you bring in a young quarterback, you just load him up with weapons. I don't see that being a bad situation at all, but you could have did this with Fields also and kind of traded back and got more. Look, I'm just saying, I think the Steelers is a better situation for Fields.
Speaker 4:I think what it came down to with Fields in Chicago is just like okay, do we think Caleb Williams can do what Justin Fields can do? Yeah, caleb is going to be a lot cheaper, let's go with Caleb.
Speaker 2:I think that's what it came down to, because that fifth-year option is going to be a doozy. I think that's when the real money kick in for rookies Exactly.
Speaker 4:Well, that's where it kind of for quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:That's when it yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, yeah, for first round players, I should say Dealers may still draft in the second and third round. They may still go out and get Bo Nix. So you have Wilson Fields and Bo Nix.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which, like I said, I think you just cover your, I mean just cover your butt, especially in the AFC North. Like if you got two quarterbacks you got no quarterbacks. Like especially with the way the league has been played this year, and like the injuries to QBs and how significant it's been, like it was like 83 or something, like different quarterbacks started last year we had three last year and we had none. No, that's what I'm saying. Like it's just like between injuries and just you know.
Speaker 4:You. I'm saying like it's just like between injuries and just you know you guys still put together a decent season. Yes, I'm saying Like I say you put, you know, you got a Justin Fields and you, you know you put a Russell Wilson in there and like with that team there's just I would play them both, I would make up a package for Justin Fields, at least in the red zone. It's like it ain't costing you anything and there's no pressure. There's no pressure on the stewards right now. I play them both Free money.
Speaker 2:And the coach. He really liked him If he would have failed to the Steelers. He was talking about what Chicago was talking about drafting him, and I don't know why I cannot say y'all coach's name right now Tomlin, tomlin, tomlin was super high on field so when he got a chance to get him out, I don't see why. Yeah, like it ain't perfect, like I think morale plays a part in the two like of how players play, especially at the qb position, when you got somebody who believe in you and want you there, and like, like you said again, jared, all the pressure's not on him, right? Like you said, give him a couple packages, especially goal line. You run some RPOs, you know what I mean. Get him a few easy touchdowns, damn.
Speaker 4:Confidence better.
Speaker 2:Again. And last but not least, man, Denver. Man, they got JJ McCartney going to Denver.
Speaker 3:That's who the Giants should take. You think so, absolutely. We just talked about Daniel Jones man, dick JJ.
Speaker 2:We talk about the same players, same type of players. We just recycling the same type of guys. No, no, no, no he's. I mean, what do you see different? I mean, I'm asking, I don't know One at all.
Speaker 3:I don't know Michigan Whole different scheme, pro system. Daniel Jones was not in a pro system. I don't care what they say down there with that head coach Peyton Manning's friend or whatnot.
Speaker 2:Cut cliff Proven winner.
Speaker 3:What did Duke do in football Besides the one year they could? But I don't think they were anything when Daniel Jones was there.
Speaker 4:No, Same thing with Drake May, though. That's why I feel the same way.
Speaker 2:I don't think they won an ACC championship with him. That's not saying anything, I mean, I'm just that's not saying anything. I just don't want to. I mean, I wouldn't Outside of.
Speaker 4:Clemson, the quarter state of just last year. The ACC has been terrible.
Speaker 3:Just last year ACC has been terrible, but I think it's a good pick for Denver at 10 if they take JJ.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's a cheap QB, like you said. They're already in salary cap hell, but do you put the pressure to win on him like that?
Speaker 3:I don't think they got any pressure right.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just looking at, like when you have Sean Payton, Ari, huge personality, that type of guy which I think JJ McCartney is used to that, because when you're playing for Jim, I mean another big personality guy but what's there, Sudden, I couldn't tell you. The offensive line was horrible last year.
Speaker 3:You got the running game still.
Speaker 2:That's about it. You have no receivers. You're pretty much tearing the defense apart. I mean you got rid of Simmons. The defense wasn't already spectacular. I mean they were okay, but you get rid of one of the leaders on defense. Hey, would you get rid of one of the leaders on defense? From what I heard, sertan may be available.
Speaker 4:So I mean, do you bring a?
Speaker 2:rookie into that.
Speaker 4:I mean, what else do you do? You know the quarterback couldn't get him, so I'm going to have to go to somebody. That's a rookie quarterback. You know what I'm saying? That rookie contract quarterback. Yeah, that's a rookie quarterback. You know what I'm saying? That rookie contract quarterback.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the only way to.
Speaker 4:Can't go to the Chiefs, can't go to the Bengals, can't go to nobody like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I mean that's how you save your. I mean that's the only way you can save your salary right there. But yeah, man, that's the top ten draft picks. Man, right now for far. Uh, man, we are. We dragged this show out. I guess it was mainly me and jared going back and forth, but uh, sure, we got some comments, part of it really. Yeah, yeah, um, I guess we can jump into final thoughts, man, and wrap this night up, man shit, I, I got, I got out whatever.
Speaker 4:I wanted to talk about caitlin clark and I wanted to talk about Kaitlyn Clark. I wanted to talk about the Ohio State spring game. So all the Reds suck man, god.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's been rough. I'm a Reds fan.
Speaker 4:We had to hit a game one time, but they're just so like, oh god, we can't beat the Brewers. Even the game we won, we gave up 8 runs. It's like we can't keep them guysers, I mean, and they be killing. Even the game we won, we gave up eight runs. It's like we can't keep them guys from scoring at all. They're up 6-0 in like the fourth now.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, I don't really have much to talk about either. I'm a Red Sox fan and we haven't been doing too much better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, trevor Story got hurt and I think that about wrapped yeah that's tough.
Speaker 4:We're losing to the orioles right now. Seven to five, so, and that rookie looked good tonight. Oh, he's balling, uh, jackson rbi in his first, uh second at bat. Wow, nice, I like to hear stories like that, yeah, yeah. So seven and four, though, brandon, that's better than what we're yeah, but four and five at home, like we make it stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we start off like this. Talk to me in July.
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Speaker 3:You go ahead, go ahead, bree. I got some degenerate gamblers. I got some Masters.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we forgot.
Speaker 3:You can clip it, put it out. Masters, gentlemen, this week, obviously Augusta National, scotty Scheffler right now plus 400. He is head to toe better than any other golfer right now If you look at the odds. Second is Rory at plus 1,000, which is crazy. Normally there's guys up there, but going from 4 to 1 to 10 to 1, that's a significant gap in golf and the reason why is nobody's playing great golf right now.
Speaker 3:It's just Scotty Rory. This is the Grand Slam major. He can't get. Hasn't gotten it yet. Is this the year? Well, if it says anything, maybe he's taking it a little bit more serious, because he was the very last one to arrive to the course to check in.
Speaker 3:He arrived yesterday at noon. His bib number is 89, the very last digit. They give you bibs by when you get there, very last bib. We'll see if Rory can do it, changing his strategy up this year. We'll see you there. Jon Rahm he won it last year. Right Was world's number one. Before he went to live, gentlemen, at this point last year he had three wins over there at the live. Since he's got the paid, zero wins, zero top fives and it's very hard to repeat. So I don't like him in that situation. Brooks kepka had a 54 hole lead. Does that haunt? Does I give him nightmares for this year? Possibly um could be, but I like him as a chance. Jordan speith the dude talked about having anxiety on the golf course yeah, I heard about that last year.
Speaker 3:When he went in the water back when he had the lead about four or five years ago. That haunted him and I can't bet on that guy. I can't expect him to win a title, a championship there. Jt, he's got putting yips. This is not the course to have your putting yips on a firm, fast course. So I don't trust JT. Victor Hovland, patrick Cantley they have new swing coaches. They just changed their swing Crazy. You do that right before the Masters Changing up your swing for this. And then Wyndham Clark, another big guy. This is his first Masters. I can't trust a guy going in for his first Masters. And Ricky Fowler he just won the Part 3 Challenge today. Nobody that's won the Part 3 challenge today, nobody that's won the Part 3 challenge has ever won the Masters. So you've got to pick him out at that point. So who do I like you're going to say Tiger Scotty?
Speaker 2:That's the only person you're going to say nothing about.
Speaker 3:I like Matthew Fitzpatrick. I think he's got a good chance to win this weekend. I like Terrell Hatton and the former champ Hideki Matsuyama, the Japanese guy. I like him. He's been playing great golf. I think he's got a great chance. Neiman I really like him, and Figala those are my main guys.
Speaker 3:Here's the crazy thing, guys. There's a chance Scottie Scheffler could be in the lead after 54 holes going into Sunday and he may have to withdraw. Why is that? They're expecting their first child this week. Oh, also is Sam Burns Now. He's very religious, religious man, so there's talk that he may pull out for the birth of his first child. That is crazy timing. If you're going to do the DB, you got to know what's nine months.
Speaker 2:You got to do the math on that. Hey man, you might have to put a plug in there like hey look, I need 10 more hours I mean, scotty, you may pull out, pull away, I don't know.
Speaker 3:But uh, tiger, 440 to 1 odds man, I think I think your best bet with tiger if you can put some up on tiger is to make the cut. The dude's gonna streak. He can set the record, uh, for most cuts made this week. I think he does make the cut. Last, the dude's going to streak. He can set the record for most cuts made this week. I think he does make the cut. Last thing on it tomorrow they're expecting heavy thunderstorms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard there's supposed to be some bad weather.
Speaker 3:They delayed the first round basically for tomorrow. They'll have an update at 5 am, but first day of morning guys will probably go off at 1. It's supposed to be a lot drier in the afternoon and then windy as hell, but Friday, saturday, sunday looked perfect. You can see I got my master's hat on. I see that that's nice For the tourney, but I like Scotty If he can stay in it the whole damn time. Matthew Fitzpatrick and Hideki Matsuyama those are my top three guys, with a little bit of Neiman or Hatton.
Speaker 2:All right. So please keep us updated on what's going on. For sure, I try to follow as much as I can and you put those clips out. I will share them on our page to keep our golf viewers updated on that man. Appreciate it. Yep, man Brandon, always come through with the value man I'm going to talk to, jonathan man.
Speaker 4:This is such a high level of I know man Like Jonathan always be yelling at us man, a high level of Jonathan always be yelling at us man.
Speaker 2:I feel like Jonathan be yelling at us all the time he's so professional with it.
Speaker 3:If you said Bobby Hurley's name or Dan Hurley's name around Jonathan tonight, I've never seen him go that passionate against his name.
Speaker 4:I hadn't either. That's why, when I tuned in, I'm just like yo, he's going crazy.
Speaker 2:Right before, when I was still like trying to send you links and stuff, jer was like hey man, jonathan snapped tonight Like I ain't never seen him be like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, like, yeah.
Speaker 3:He like went on like a soliloquy, almost Like it was like a Wow, I was just like yo, I do get what Hurley was saying 6 championships in 25 years is tough it is Jonathan wasn't understanding that, wasn't understanding 25 and 30 years, 6 years, okay, well, they still have, if not the most, the second most championships. Yeah, like.
Speaker 4:They have more championships than Duke has their whole career in 25 years. That's tough. He's a solid man. I get what he was saying Because it hasn't been a consistent 25 years.
Speaker 3:That's tough, yeah.
Speaker 4:So like you can't argue that, I get what he was saying, because it hasn't been a consistent. Hurley did say it like they've just wiped everybody every single year. So I get that, but six championships in 25 years, that's tough. Like you can claim that 25 years, you just can't, oh man. But it was funny, though Very entertaining.
Speaker 1:Very entertaining.
Speaker 2:It's all right, jonathan. By the way, man shout out to Jonathan, shout out to Ike, shout out to Justin. Shout out to everybody in here, right here at Boom, all our collaborators, dave, dave, yeah, man, Dave. Shout out to everybody who joined us. Man, we appreciate y'all. Brandon, we got to talk about this draft show, man, we got to figure out how we're going to orchestrate this.
Speaker 4:Let's toss ideas in the chat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, cool, cool Cool. But we will be doing a combined draft show Crossroads and Epic Sports, so please join us for that if y'all have time. Draft first round. We're doing the first round only on the 25th of April, if I'm correct. So from the time it starts from pick one to pick 32, we'll be here for it. It is going to be a long night, but I mean the green it is. It's going to be probably six of us.
Speaker 4:So everybody can chime in. I'm probably going to put you in the chair after the Bengals pick 18.
Speaker 2:Oh my, God, that's 18?. You might as well just hang out. We 15?, we 20?.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 20. Like all our teams is late.
Speaker 2:We all got good teams or halfway decent teams.
Speaker 4:I think I'm the earliest team at 15. Nah, I'm hanging though.
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking like you. Look at the Ravens, they in the 20s, san Francisco's in 30. You know what I mean. So everybody who will be here, it's going to be late rounds anyway. I'll be here, and then the first round is. I mean the first couple picks. You know what I mean. The first top 10, top 15 are going to speak for themselves. You know what I mean. If there's any movement.
Speaker 4:So that's going to keep it interesting. I can't remember if that was last year or the year before, but it was fun. So, like I'm for it, I think it was the year. It was last year. Yeah, I'm for it.
Speaker 2:We actually had a lot of we can hang out and everybody have their snacks and we can talk. Alright, man, this is it. That's it. Epic Podcast is over. We see y'all next week, man.
Speaker 4:Bye.