E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Life is full of moments you cannot predict or control only experience and enjoy right? Come join Vernon, Isaac, Justin, and Jared every Wednesday where we lend our opinions about current event going on in sports. Every episode is promising to be entertaining, not necessarily informational.
E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Ride Along for Weekend Rivalry, NBA Playoffs, NFL Draft Strategies, and the Future of Women's Basketball
Life's a journey of contrasts—weekend thrills against weekday duties, and in our latest podcast episode, we invite you to ride shotgun. As David spins tales of Detroit's automotive heartbeat, and Jared plans a family road trip filled with anticipation and sports team allegiances, we can't help but chuckle at our tech mishaps. It's these moments, sprinkled with personal narratives and hearty debates over the Lakers' fate, that weave the rich tapestry of our shared experiences.
Switching lanes to the high-octane world of sports, we set the stage for some major NBA playoff showdowns, dissecting strategies and potential game deciders with the precision of a chess grandmaster. Will experience reign supreme, or can raw talent upset the seasoned veterans? We don't skimp on NFL Draft insights either, as we dissect the implications of Marvin Harrison Jr.'s bold moves and what they mean for his draft stock amidst a sea of elite prospects. You won't want to miss our play-by-play on the draft's strategic nuances and the high stakes that come with each team's pick.
Finally, we pivot to a pivotal discussion on the future of women's basketball, the necessity of pay equity in sports, and the cultural shifts that could redefine the game. The WNBA's survival may hinge on the decisions of star players, and we explore how they're shaping the landscape for the next generation. As we wrap up, a special hat tip goes to our NFL insider, Justin, for keeping our sports discourse fresh and insightful. Join us for this hearty blend of laughs, debates, and hearty analysis that makes the Epic Podcast a home for passionate fans and weekend warriors alike.
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Speaker 2:Yo, yo yo, welcome. Welcome back to another episode of the Epic Podcast. I'm back today with David and Jared, and I'm sorry for the late start, but I was on daddy duty so I had to push everything back, wait for my wife to get home from work. But we back, though man? We didn't forget y'all man. We live everywhere. So how's y'all week, though man? We didn't forget y'all man. We live everywhere. So how's y'all week been man?
Speaker 1:David, my nigga still muted. Oh man, His mic still. Oh no, you good.
Speaker 2:We can hear you, okay, we can hear y'all whispering you ain't texting, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you ain't texting bro, yeah, he ain't acknowledging, though.
Speaker 2:Oh, maybe he can't hear us. But anyway, jared, how was your weekend? Chilling man.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to get through this week, bro. Like I got a road trip coming up tomorrow we going to see my dad, so just trying to get through this work week. Man, it's been a drag. Lakers got a good dub last night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was solid against the Bucs, it went to two low tees, but still they showed up.
Speaker 1:My Bearcats took an L to Indiana State, though I was hoping they won, because NIT is in Indianapolis, so I was ready to buy a ticket for Tuesday to go see them play. But they lost Indianapolis, so I was ready to buy a ticket for Tuesday to go see them play.
Speaker 2:But they lost. But still, Indiana State will still be playing here, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Indiana State will be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my only thing while I'm rooting for them in the NIT is that I feel like they got screwed on the. They should have been in bro. Yeah that's all right, but yeah, because I think when the. Man, david, we can hear you, if you can hear us.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on one second. No, they can't see me.
Speaker 2:I can see you, I can hear you too.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:We can see you, yes.
Speaker 1:Can you hear me? Yes, nigga, I can see you.
Speaker 2:I was always naming my tech support man we can see and hear you, bro?
Speaker 1:oh, you can hear me now. Yes, we've been hearing you the whole time this nigga's talking about some cool on fellas we did. We've been trying to talk to you and everything I said how's your weekend?
Speaker 2:And you just sitting there, like we just seen Lizzy she up here. We hear the whole conversation y'all just had. I thought y'all couldn't hear me, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, we can hear you, hey. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Jared over here talking about tickets and stuff like that. Were talking about tickets and stuff like that. I'm like that's some crazy shit, we wasn't live yet.
Speaker 2:That was what we was talking about before we went live. But how was your weekend, man? How's your week been?
Speaker 1:Man, we had fun. Man, we went to Detroit.
Speaker 2:I seen that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, went to Detroit. Man, we had a ball. Bro Went to the Ford Dude so I finally you know I love cars Went to the Ford plant so I was seeing the F-150 get built.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's kind of stuff I like you like the same type of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like technically. So, John Ford, you know it was like a whole mile of just plants, so I've seen it from basically the cab and then they putting a screen in there and then, like you know how, the panoramic roof. I seen that get installed, I'm like wow, that's hard so they like do you like tours? There was tours, yeah. So we seen it go from a cavity to it, get driven off the out of the out of the building dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's super cool. Get driven off the out of the building, yeah out of the building to get there.
Speaker 2:Dang, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's super cool. Of course, we've seen Martin's crib.
Speaker 2:I've seen you post a picture of that.
Speaker 1:I mean it's literally downtown. And then we went to the GM building, so you know headquarters for GM Motors, so walked in that whole facility. It was pretty nice man, it was cool.
Speaker 2:That is cool man.
Speaker 1:Nice little spirit man Little four days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get away real quick. We just got back.
Speaker 1:About five hours ago or something we just got back.
Speaker 2:That's cool, man. That's the type of stuff me and Siobhan used to do before the kids invaded the house. We first got together, we would roll to St Louis, we would ride, we would just be out, we'd just be doing stuff.
Speaker 1:That's always how it happens, bro.
Speaker 2:Now it's like we're going to watch the baby for three days.
Speaker 1:You know one thing about life is so big man that regardless of whatever man you got to do it, try to find the time to do it, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just the work. We get so consumed with our jobs, man and you know, and with the kids and stuff, sometimes taking the little trips where it's just you guys man. Yeah, you got to fit it in, I mean. But if you don't got that support, bro, it's rough yeah.
Speaker 2:Luckily, both of our parents are still, you know, alive. That's true, that's true, I see, like if it wasn't for my dad like my dad like he does like he's always. He's like all right, that's cool. Yeah, it's cool, it's cool, bring him, bring him, bring him. I'm like all right, you know. So I look out for him, I take him to a new mattress. Whatever you need, daddy, don't just tell me what you need. I'm going to take care of it.
Speaker 1:I know we don't lie, but I know we was talking about the tickets we're not going to the Cat Williams. We're not going to that. You said y'all, not I don't know what my schedule's going to be Okay, but I know her birthday is in a couple weeks, so I know you guys will probably be down.
Speaker 2:When.
Speaker 1:One call away my nigga.
Speaker 2:When is it?
Speaker 1:The 13th she sent an invite to Siobhan.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, her actual birthday is the 13th.
Speaker 1:Well, her birthday is actually the 19th, but I don't know where my schedule will be, so we're going to do it the week before. I know I'm going to the Ohio State spring game that day. Oh, that is that game. Yeah, because I was going to go to that game too. Yeah, you got a ticket, but it's only eight, I mean it's whatever.
Speaker 2:What time is that?
Speaker 1:game bro it's at noon.
Speaker 2:Oh, you might be cool then.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because we still be in Ohio, I'll probably still get to that game too then.
Speaker 2:And then it's not a real game.
Speaker 1:It's not a whole game Like it'll be over by like two.
Speaker 2:Because I don't start to the.
Speaker 1:You said it's the 13th, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I don't what.
Speaker 1:You got a new job man, yeah, I got a new job. Oh yeah, new job epic, the epic uh life podcast man, oh yeah, we just, I mean, we gotta catch up though.
Speaker 2:Like no, no, no, I'm rolling, like I, yeah, I'm an advocate talking about like, yeah, we gotta catch up, it'd be, it'd be, even though it'd be like weeks in between, like every week.
Speaker 1:We don't just talk about what we got going on, yeah, nah, uh, so yeah, yeah, where you working at now. Man, what another trucking company? You don't Just talk about what we got going on, you'll be jumping in.
Speaker 2:It's a revolving door, you're jumping into it, yeah, nah. So, yeah, yeah, man, where you working at now. Man, what Another trucking company? You don't switch companies. Yeah, man, I'm a tanker driver now. Oh, a tanker driver, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it to get around to it, I'm going to get my IT training first, and then I'm going to jump into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah get your CDL. Yeah, take Darv a hand with you when you decide to get your CDL.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:He said hey, look at I'm dead. I'm not laughing either, I'm dead man.
Speaker 2:What, that being said, man?
Speaker 1:Let's jump into this, hey, vernon I put something on here, hey B let's jump into this, man, yeah, man.
Speaker 2:Let's just talk about the NBA. Since we're here, we're going to talk about if the playoffs started today. This evening we're going to start in the east. Go ahead, man. So for people who may not know or don't remember how the playing works so right now you got the Hawks and the Bulls at 10 and 9. They'll play each other, and then you got the Sixers and the Heat at 8 and 7. They'll play each other, and the winner of those two games play each other for the 7 and 8 seed.
Speaker 1:I thought the 7 and the 10 played. Never mind, I didn't even know.
Speaker 2:No, I'm looking at it right now it's 10, 9, and 7, 8. And then the winner of 10, 9, and 7, 8 play each other, and whoever wins gets the 7. Whoever loses gets the 8.
Speaker 1:It's 8, 9, and 9, and 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's 10 and 9 and 8 and 7.
Speaker 1:The 7 and 8 only got to win one game. The winner of the 7 8 games get the 7 seed. Yeah, and then the winner of the 9 10 gets to play yeah, so the loser of the 8 that 7, 8, yes, so the winner, yes, yep, yep the 7 and 8. Get two games to win one right but the 9 and 10 you win. You lose once you're out.
Speaker 2:You out.
Speaker 1:Yep. So the eight seed seven or eight seed could like lose and then win the next one and get in. But you're nine or ten, you lose, you're out, that's it.
Speaker 2:Right. So of course, right now, the Celtics being the one seed, they would play the eight seed, the Bucks would play the seven seed. Right now we got a Knicks-Magic matchup, which we were talking about, that last week Some people talk about it was a sweep in the comments.
Speaker 2:Some people was talking about it go six, seven, I don't know man, that was a really I don't want to say evenly matched, but they've both been playing equally as good. So I consider the playoffs to be a little slower. So that may work to the Knicks in the Knicks' favor, I believe, because I think they got a little more half-court game, especially with Randall. But the Magic's got some young boys and they be hooping. So if they can keep the pace up in the playoffs then I don't see why the magics couldn't compete they'll get super the first round man you think so the magics?
Speaker 2:yeah, like I thought that too, I'm like man the magic, like it's this weird saying that name.
Speaker 1:The thing about, the thing about the nba season nba season, it's, it's, it's uh you don't, you really don't show your weaknesses.
Speaker 1:You know it's uncomfortable, you know it's like having a blanket over you, you don't know. Like I said, when it's a seven-game series, man, and it's the NBA playoffs, the animosity, you know, the crowd and the noise, I mean everything man. Just, uh, the crowd and the noise, I mean everything, man. I think it's just, you know, um, it's different man and I, I think the magic of playing, I even I even feel like that with okc.
Speaker 1:I think they, I don't think they're going to go far, man, I think if the lakers, the lakers play uh, first round like it'll probably be 4-1, if that, yeah, and I can see the comparison Like I was watching the Magic earlier, like they got some talent, but I mean they still just take bad shots, they still just, you know, be on the opposite end of long runs, still jacking up threes. It's just, I don't think they have that. They need that veteran, you know, in the locker room and on the bench.
Speaker 1:To teach them how to in situations, how to get through it, yeah, Sure, If they had picked up like I'm trying to think of somebody who could have added, but just anybody with some experience, whether it's perimeter or interior, they would be nice. They got some pieces, they got a lot of guards they would have had, maybe and I'm going to go as little as PJ Tucker he's been in that situation before. Somebody like that or Harden Anybody?
Speaker 2:really Just one guy.
Speaker 1:The coach is still young too. There's a lot of inexperience in it. That's coach is still young too.
Speaker 2:I mean it's just there's a lot of inexperience there, and that's what I was saying last week. I'm like it's hard to beat experience, like playoff experience, yeah, and like when you got it, like to keep your team calm, to keep them motivated, to know how the runs are going to be, because there's going to be runs and there's just going to be times where you just feel like you know, hey, you can't score, you got to rely on defense. Hey, y'all, we got to pick the defense up. Now. You know what I mean. And having somebody who can kind of guide you and navigate you through those type of games, those tough, tough games.
Speaker 1:And let you know, help you, help the younger guys know what to expect Exactly. Yeah, yeah I.
Speaker 2:So that's why I was thinking the Knicks probably did have an edge, but like people were talking sweeps and I'm like you think there's going to be a sweep. You ain't going to get a magic one.
Speaker 1:We'd have to see if Randall comes back and you know, how effective he is winning if he comes back Like all that plays a difference. So I mean it's hard to really just say now.
Speaker 2:I agree. I agree. Especially, like you said, the closer it gets to the playoffs, the tighter it comes, like people lock down, lock in. So it's a different, it's a, it's literally a different game in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:You're playing that same team seven times. You know at least four. Yeah, at least four, I mean the adjustments. You know, ok, winning game one, because you know you know, we've seen this before. We've witnessed it. Man, you can blow out a team one night, beat them by 30, and turn around and lose.
Speaker 2:By two the next night by two.
Speaker 1:yeah. So like the Magic, I think they're playing well, but I think they definitely need some veterans on that team. I don't think they're going to go far. I mean, and then like with on the Western side, I mean just, I know we have time, yeah, but on the Western side I mean just I know we have time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's stay on the easy, real quick. What about the Cavs Pacers? I think that's going to be a good matchup too, if the Pacers can find some defense somewhere.
Speaker 1:It's fizzling out man. I don't really know if Buddy leaving was a like. They're getting beat by 21 at the half to the Bulls, like I think. Unfortunately for the city of Indianapolis, I don't really see much out of the Pacers anymore. I don't know what really happened.
Speaker 2:I mean they had things going well to start the season. I think it was an all-star break hangover.
Speaker 1:See, Alcom came in. You thought that that would be a boost, but they've just not been that same team.
Speaker 2:They've only lost two games when he scored 20 points, so it's like he's definitely a piece to get involved, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:For sure. So I don't really know what happened. I'm with you with that.
Speaker 2:They moved up two spots since last week they were definitely one of my favorite teams to watch early on.
Speaker 1:I mean, they still get up and down the court and I don't watch every game, but I don't really know why they're kind of fizzling out. I mean, I still think that they could shock somebody, like if they get like a magic first-round lineup, some kind of way, they might be able to steal that series. I don't know if I see them beating Boston, milwaukee or really just them two. Right, you think they can beat the Cavs yeah. Phillies ain't shit the Cavs. I think that'll actually be a good series.
Speaker 2:That's actually the matchup right now. If it was to start today.
Speaker 1:I would watch that.
Speaker 2:That's what I said. I think that one would be a good one because they both play kind of similar styles yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're both at that same crossroads They've played well enough for you to expect them to advance.
Speaker 2:If they do win, you'd be like that's not surprising.
Speaker 1:I'm all for that series if we can lock that in. I think them two teams they don't really have an identity yet you don't really know who's the leader. That sometimes can be good, but in the playoffs that type of shit don't really work Again.
Speaker 2:The only person we really got that's been here for a minute is Miles Turner. He has true playoff experience. He was with some of them. Paul George runs on the back end Like you know what I mean Like he's the only person who's who has any experience at all. All the rest of the guys are new. But you have Rick Carlisle, who's won a championship, who's had multiple playoff runs, deep playoff runs. So you may have to lean on the coaches staff to kind of you know what I mean, help those. Lean on the coaching staff to kind of you know what I mean, help those young guys, like you said, jared know what to expect. You really got to lean on that leadership because, like I said, everybody else is super young or super new or don't have no playoff experience. But with the Cavs you got Donovan Mitchell. He's had some playoff experience, but I think that's really it over there too, because a lot of them guys are young too, running with him. I don't think none of them really had no real playoff runs either.
Speaker 1:I mean they got a.
Speaker 2:Last year they was in the playoffs, but I thought the Cavs signed him. Max Jones.
Speaker 1:He ain't really done nothing though. No, they picked up Marcus Morris too, didn't they? Oh yeah, he got thrown out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, but he got kicked off the Rockets.
Speaker 1:Oh, he trying to set the set, like bro who.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know them two guys.
Speaker 2:But then he end up hitting a game winner that next week.
Speaker 1:Them two guys, man, they hotheads man. So they, you know, Is it the one?
Speaker 2:Who's the one that?
Speaker 1:played for the Lakers. Is that one that played for the Cavs? Nah, the Lakers had Markeith, so that's the less talented offensive player. Markeith is the one that be hooping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's jump over to the west real quick. Let's see. So right now, Of course, you got Warriors Lakers 10-9 and you got Suns Kings 8-7. So same rules apply in the west as they do in the east. That number 8 seed will get the Nuggets, the Thunder Will get the number seven seed. You got Clippers Pelicans right now, and T-Wolves the Mavs.
Speaker 1:Hey. The one thing I want to say about this, though, is the crazy thing is the Bucs are 11 games behind the Celtics. That's nuts. The Lakers, which is in the play-in, is 11 games behind the first place Nuggets. It's crazy, man.
Speaker 2:The West is so interesting because it's guaranteed to change, like I said. That's why I did if it started today, because there's just too many scenarios to go over to try to be like, okay, well, what if they go 8-3?. You know what I mean. It's too many scenarios to go over to try to be like, okay, well, what if? What if they go eight and three? Or you know what I mean. Like it's it's it's too many scenarios, especially in the west, for people to be caught. But this scene could definitely be different by, uh, april 19th, but I mean, just as it is now. Uh, we can only, let's talk. Let let's talk Clippers, pelicans and T-Wolves Mavs. Do y'all think the Clippers are still probably the most, the deepest team in the West?
Speaker 1:No, I'm watching it right now. They suck, they fizzle, you can't.
Speaker 2:I mean who they put in right now. I didn't get a chance to look.
Speaker 1:They're playing in Philly right now. Okay, they just don't look good, james Harden. I mean they just don't. You know they talked about earlier. They look soft and they do. They don't. They have no identity.
Speaker 2:You know when they went on that run.
Speaker 1:what about a month or two ago?
Speaker 1:Right after the All-star, okay you know we see something, but they just, they just fizzled out a little bit. I think, something that I don't know. Uh, pj tucker, I don't think he wants to be, he's not gonna be there next year. Um, I, norman powell, has definitely, uh, have not been the same guy you've seen in the last previous years. You know, they just don't. I don't know man, they might have too many guys, it almost seems like, but I think also, too, like it may be time for a coaching change.
Speaker 2:I say the same thing. Ty Lue has been there for a minute.
Speaker 1:People act like Ty Lue is the prodigy.
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying Ty Lue is not a good coach or whatever, but I'm just saying sometimes, when you do a roster reset, sometimes you need a new voice in the locker room too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they love me, though, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's going to be hard to get him out of there.
Speaker 1:I will say that I think the good thing that Ty Lue did was bring in Westbrook off the bench to give him that spark. And I don't, I don't care the most. The most famous quote or words I've ever heard was if Greg Popovich said this if Mano Ginobili can come off the bench, anybody can come off the bench. That man. That's so true and so like. And you know a lot of these players, some of these guys that do start, you know, coming off the bench and being that second unit, because the thing about it is you got to play good defense and you got to have that second unit to win a championship.
Speaker 2:And most of the time, your best player coming off the bench is usually got to be one of your best leaders also, because they're leading that second squad. They're going to set the tone and the tempo for that second squad. So either you're going to regain the lead or you're going to lose it.
Speaker 1:So I just think that westbrook I mean he's been injured but I just don't think there's no, there's no one, there's no leadership, there's no one that's holding somebody accountable. I mean kawaii leonard's quiet, he ain't been doing nothing. Like I said, Norman Powell to me was one of the guys who sparked that team and he just looked flat. I'm watching him now and he just looked flat man.
Speaker 2:So it's just so if it started today, do you think they?
Speaker 1:could beat the Pelicans. Ooh, that would be a good matchup too. But on this trajectory I say no, they're just trending bad right now yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think I mean we'll have to see I think Brandon Ingram had an injury. Yeah, he had a was that?
Speaker 1:do we know what the injury? Was it just a hyperextension?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:It looked like a hyperextension. For sure yeah, because if it was an ACL we would have known about it already. Yeah, yeah, for sure, but I think it was just a hybrid stand. He'd be out a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:He might be ready for it. He'd probably be ready by playoff time, Playoff time yeah. Okay, and what about T Wolves and Mavs? I think this is probably one of the most intriguing.
Speaker 1:The Mavs, I mean last night. They played the Kings last night. They looked good.
Speaker 2:But they got an on and off switch too. I'd probably say the Nuggets and the T-Wolves is probably the most consistent playing teams in the West right now that you don't have to really worry about, like, oh okay, like you said, trending down, because a lot of these other teams are trending down. Like you said, if the Thunders meet the Lakers, like I don't think again, another young team that's really overperforming this year but no playoff experience really. And like you said, who's the leader on that team? Yeah, you say, uh, sga is, but he, is he really old enough? Is he really take that mantle? Yes, he's scoring, he's doing everything, but, like in the playoffs, it's like we said, it's a different game. And is he gonna be ready to to? Not only, you know, carry this leap that he done took this year, but carry that into the playoffs. It's totally different.
Speaker 2:And how are you going to rile up these boys, these young, young boys, when you're going up, maybe against the Warriors, who have been there so many times? You know what I mean A team that's ready when it comes to playoff time, or a Laker team that tends to turn it on in the playoffs? A Sun team with a ton of veterans and a playoff experience, even the Kings coming off last year. How they played, they got the experience. They know what to expect. If you get any one of them teams coming out of the play-in, it's going to be a tough road for the Thunder. I agree with that. I totally agree.
Speaker 1:We need an NBA logo in the middle man, oh man, I'm tripping, I got you. Say less.
Speaker 2:But in the clips it don't show anyway, so nonetheless, so yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:getting back to the T-Wolves the Mavs like the Mavs, going to have to find some defense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, especially against the Timberwolveswolves.
Speaker 1:you're gonna have to find some defense I mean the timberwolves too, I mean anything. Yeah, bro, I mean, like these teams, I think everybody is gonna have to step up their defense, everybody. I mean, if we go back to the eastern conference and we talk about the bucks, you know, uh, drew holiday man, you know, was a big piece and I do, I love damian lillard man, I mean dang time he knocks down those shots, but he's not at the same defender as uh no collison, and so they're gonna have to really step up their defense.
Speaker 2:But everybody is man yeah, you, you know, and it's really gonna come down to shooting, because a lot of these teams have interior defense, like the bucks got interior defense, rick and yannis they do pretty well when they run their zones and then they, they, you know help side and in the paint, but it's all. It's gonna be about perimeter defense, because people are gonna try to shoot you out the gym, like and I think the celtics, the reason why they record is what it is is because they have the same people who can score on the offensive end can also play defense on the defensive end. Um, like you said, with the drew holidays and them, like, I think they can do the same thing. Um, I think a lot of these younger teams are just gonna probably just depend on their youth and their energy to try to you, you know, create turnovers and play lanes. But you, like I said, you just meet one of them veteran teams who just don't make a lot of mistakes, especially in the playoffs. It's going to be tough.
Speaker 2:And I look at the Mavericks it's just they haven't really ever had identity on defense since Luca's been there, or even ever like, even if you go back to their championship team, like that wasn't a super defensive team. They had some scrappy guys. You know the, the JJ Perez and them, like they had some scrappy guys, but it wasn't like to that extent of playing solid defense or being known for that. And the way the T-Wolves go, man, it's different. Luka is too, but I don't know. I think that's just going to be a good offensive matchup to see who comes out on top between them two if it stays 3-6. True.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree with any of that. I mean the Nuggets. I mean they're probably the most complete team to me. I like the Kings too, but the Nuggets are the most complete team.
Speaker 2:Nuggets are crazy.
Speaker 1:They're just unstoppable. Here's the thing They've been together for a while, unstoppable. Here's the thing they've been together for a while. You know, I always say teams that you know that win titles. You know, I'll never forget the bubble when Nuggets played the Lakers. And you know Jamal Murray. You know well, he had an injury but you could tell he wanted it. But you know the Nuggets, they're resilient man. I just I would say that's probably the Nuggets and the Kings or the Lakers Achilles heels for me. But you know, it's basically Nuggets versus the Western Conference. The thing that blows me away the most about the Nuggets is they get better when the adversity kicks in, which is crazy, but they make no mistakes when the game is tight.
Speaker 1:If you watch them in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter of a close game, they don't miss, they don't miss, they don't turn the ball over. Everything is perfect, spot on. Play calling, execution, Everything is perfect. And that's hard. That's hard to do, man, that's ridiculously hard to do. But that's something I've noticed about them. It's like it's hard to beat them because when it gets, you know, when they get up against the ropes and the crunch time kicks in, they're a flawless basketball team. Yeah and Right. K-7 ain't missing. Joker throwing up the wildest over the head. Last second shots they going in Mike Murray Jr 13 for 13. Bro Murray finds it in the Kobe. He's making contested double team fade away, turn around. They perfect to Kobe. He's making contested double team fade away, turn around. Perfect. Aaron Gordon is standing there right there at the dunker spot just ready to dunk on whoever. It's a perfect thing.
Speaker 2:That pretty much sums up the Nuggets, especially when you got a big who's seven foot who can see the whole floor and passes the way he do. He makes the right play every time.
Speaker 1:Crazy.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. And even if it's close to the shot clock, like you can't get up high enough to block his shot.
Speaker 1:Dang. I mean the fact that he, like Madri was saying, I mean like Jokic doesn't, he doesn't get fluttered. You know, I really sometimes.
Speaker 2:I feel like I really he.
Speaker 1:You know, I really sometimes I feel like I really he looks at the NBA as just. He looks at it as just like a hobby, part-time job. That's how he plays. He plays like it's a part-time job, man, it's so. You know, he don't care what people think about him, he don't. He just go out there and he just his game looks so ugly, but he just go out there and he just his game looks so ugly but he just go out there and he, yep, you look around and he got.
Speaker 2:He got a triple double. A quiet way. You can say a quiet one, but like because he ain't, it ain't a bunch of highlights when it come to him, but it seemed like it's just always quiet, you know what I mean. And then you got somebody like murray, who has no pressure but just probably one of the clutchest players you know what I mean of this generation.
Speaker 1:You're totally right, Like with Jamal Murray, he could start off slow, but he'll turn it on. Get him a couple shots.
Speaker 2:And it don't take nothing to get him going.
Speaker 1:When he played against the Lakers I mean the last game we played, he was terrible the first half, but then the second half he just you know, man, and this was even without KCP Yep you know, so it's, you know. And then you got Michael Porter Jr, him and them. This dude went 13 for 13, bro, so it's, but they just they're, hey, they're defending champs and we might I don't know, looking just as good as this year, as they did last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably better.
Speaker 1:Yeah so it's, we'll see man. So it's the Nuggets versus everybody else. I'm with you on that. I mean the Lakers are playing well. The Pelicans are doing pretty good. I mean we see what the injury is. I mean he's got a high percent, he'll be back. The Mavs they hot and cold. But it's funny the Lakers to me sometimes even think the Lakers, if they lose tonight, everybody praising them, but they lose tonight, then they're the most worst team in the NBA.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how it is. And it's like they're all teams though.
Speaker 1:I can't believe they ate games over 500. I feel like they haven't been that much in the last three or four years, the Warriors they just won. They won, but I don't know, man, we'll see. So it looks like the Warriors. They won, so they still what? Maybe two games over the Houston, but Houston man they dying.
Speaker 1:The Houston Rockets they got high Nine game winning streak. I thought it was 10, but it's up there. Yeah, it's nine. Do they play today? I don't think they play today. I didn't even check. Yeah, I think they're not. Yeah, they played the other night but no, they're playing right now. They're playing the Thunder. Right now they're playing the Thunder we got a comment.
Speaker 2:The Pacer style is not a style that translates into winning in the playoffs. Similar to Mike D'Antoni teams of the Suns and Rockets, I agree with that. I agree with that. It's tough when you just run and gun an offensive team and defensively you.
Speaker 2:I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Mike D'Antoni's team, offense team is a little bit better than what the Hazers oh, they're definitely exciting, more exciting, but I don't, I mean, I don't disagree with what they were saying as far as that. Let's jump over to the NFL, talk a little bit of the draft. I got just a question, especially for y'all to probably have more insight on this than most people, especially for y'all two y'all probably have more insight on this than, uh, most people. So, with the nfl draft and just kind of being the year of the quarterback and receivers, it's being super, super deep at receiver. Do you think it hurts marvin harrison jr's draft stock for not working out at the uh combine and not doing a pro day?
Speaker 1:Nah, nah, the name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think it's just.
Speaker 1:I mean the film. You can turn on the film and see all you need to see about Marvin Harrison. I mean to me, being an Ohio State fan and watching a lot of him like he's not really that, he's not a. His style of play is not conducive to a 4-2. He's not going to run a 4-1-7 or a 4-2. He's a football player. This might sound crazy, but he's not really super, super explosive to me.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? He's a possession receiver to me. He's going to make the plays, so I don't think any of that kind of stuff can really be translated well in the combine. So I mean obviously the people telling them, you know, the people that are doing the drafting are telling them I mean, we don't need to see. I feel like it's one of those situations where he had nothing to gain from it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:He wasn't going to go number one, so you know he might not go top five, it depends. I don't think this decision to not play affected anything, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I was just wondering, like, because you know LSU had their pro day today and you know they got two, possibly three receivers that can go into, you know, the first three rounds, definitely one that's going to go in the first round. So just with that, I was just wondering like, okay, do you got a couple? You got the guy from Texas, do you got like two from Washington? Like there's a lot of receivers out there. So I was just wondering, like, with all this competition and a lot of receiver space for the draft and of course it's hard to find a number one, that's just period to just hard to find a number one. That's just period to just to draft a number one.
Speaker 2:But to come out here and compete and we've seen and we were talking about this a couple weeks ago how the wide receiver position has translated from the NCAA to the pros like there's been a lot of guys coming out and being really really good their first year and like, with a flood of those guys coming out this year, I was just wondering like, maybe, like I said, his name speaks for itself, um, but you know, and his tape, but just like with the competition that's out there, and these guys are like, oh, shoot, like, okay, he just broke the record for the fastest 40. Okay, we to keep him on the radar, we got to go down to LSU. You know like people are going and seeing and you know what I mean. He may get not lost in the shuffle, but somebody might over impress.
Speaker 1:I mean I guess it could happen, but I don't really see it. I think he's good to go to be able to go high. He could still very well possibly be the number one receiver off the board.
Speaker 2:I think so. I mean, I think so too person. But I was just wondering about that. I'm like man, like yeah, we know Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 1:Of course we know he's going to get drafted, but it was just like you've just been hearing about all these other guys and I was just wondering but could it be the fact that he didn't do it to maybe, if he wants to go lower in the draft, to maybe get what particular team that he wants to be?
Speaker 2:Nah.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to lose money. Going down the draft is losing money.
Speaker 2:But he's one of the top NIL getters in the NCAA, so like you know what I mean. Like he probably has his first-round money he probably already got it.
Speaker 1:It's a pride thing, bro. You don't want to.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, that's what I'm saying too. That's what I'm thinking too, like with receivers, how they are, Like they're prideful, If you're in the top 15, you're going to somebody probably trashed. And not a playoff team anyway.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So I mean, look, trust me, if anybody want Marvin Harrison Jr to fall, it's this guy.
Speaker 1:What did y'all pick?
Speaker 2:15. It's over, I know, but I'm like you know, if this was a year to jump up, this would be a year to jump up. You know what I mean. Like you got Arizona that wants to get rid of their pick. New England already said they're opening the shop, their pick. You know what I mean. You got the Bears. The Bears got one and nine. So what would it take to move up to nine? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You got the Vikings who just shopped a couple picks to jump to get two first rounders. You know they're jumping up. So you're looking at the coat. If I was the coats and I'm thinking like okay, like I need one more weapon at least you know what I mean. Like everybody pretty much. Like I just need one more weapon, like I gotta go get one of these guys because once these three quarterbacks are gone, one, two, three it's really going to be a shuffle. Maybe one, two, three, four if somebody else jump up. But if you can get that Patriots pick or that Patriots, that Bears or that Cardinals pick, then you may be in position to get it All three of the teams need that pick bad though.
Speaker 1:So I feel like even if the Cardinals take Harrison Jr at number two, that'd be cool. I'm not sure if they're trying to give up on Kyler yet. I wouldn't, but I mean, I don't really know what they're playing Are they day number two. I thought so.
Speaker 2:It's the Bears. Okay, so what was the team they needed? It's the Bears. What's Washington Three? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm tripping. I think the Cardinals are four.
Speaker 2:New England. What's New England it?
Speaker 1:may be Bears, washington, new England Cardinals I know the.
Speaker 2:Cardinals is up there. Yeah, I'm sure they are too, but I was just in my head. I'm like I think this, I can't even Uh Nah, they ain't showing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm tripping, it's Bears.
Speaker 2:Sanders, yeah, washington.
Speaker 1:New England Arizona.
Speaker 2:New England, arizona, that's what I thought. Huh, oh, the Panthers. Yeah, well, the Panthers, the Bears, got their pick, remember for?
Speaker 1:the DJ Moore trade. Oh okay, Tripping, tripping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm thinking, you know, of course, that may be all three or all four or three quarterbacks, and then, like you said, marvin Harrison Jr may be in Arizona.
Speaker 1:Damn, that's crazy. So they went to number one to get. So they gave up this year's first-round pick, dj Moore, and DJ Moore to get to number one to pick the wrong quarterback. That sucks.
Speaker 2:That sucks.
Speaker 1:Hey, Jared, you know you said, bad teams always suck.
Speaker 2:But then you look at the Bears, Like you got one and nine.
Speaker 1:But they didn't even got a squad, though they picked up Keenan Allen, right, yeah, like they got a squad, bro, like.
Speaker 2:I'm just so now. You got Keenan Allen, you got DJ Moore, you got who's going to be the quarterback. Wait a minute, they're going to be the quarterback.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. I'm going to draft Caleb. But I'm not even.
Speaker 2:But if you get a, quarterback and an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1:I would damn near trade out a number one and keep the number nine because, like I'm cool with Michael Penix, I would be cool with Jaden Daniels. I'd be cool, bro. I'm nothing on Drake May. For the life of me I can't see how people don't see Drake May as another Daniel Jones and another Sam Howe. They're like identical football players. Him and Sam Howe are identical. So how they see Drake May going high, that blows my mind. But I mean, the Bears got a squad, bro. Even keep one.
Speaker 2:And even if you trade back out a nine and pick up two more later ones. I mean, the Bears got a squad bro, or even keep one. And even if you trade back out a nine and pick up two more later ones, I'd be talking to Minnesota if it was me and I'd give me two offensive linemen on my way out the draft, Out the first round no offensive linemen in round one.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, huh. No disrespect to offensive linemen around the world, but I'm not ever, ever picking a lineman in the no, never for the Bears, bro. That's all they need you can never have too many skill players. Never, never have too many skill players.
Speaker 2:I'd rather have nah yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll take one in the third or something once I got here, but I'm not picking Lyman in the first round. Ever, bro, ever, ever.
Speaker 2:I don't know, you look at the Quentin Nelsons it's guys out there that literally changes the trajectory of your offensive line.
Speaker 1:If I win, that's what lost us in the Super Bowl a couple years ago, man, but still you come from somebody who complained about their offensive line every year. I've never complained about the offensive line. I'm one that thinks you should be able to still win with a bad offensive line, so I've never complained about the offensive line.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the Bengals' offensive line.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. I'm saying our I've never complained about our offensive line Who'd you sign last year?
Speaker 2:Who's the guy? Y'all got in free agents last year and you was like he was horrible.
Speaker 1:Everybody. We got Down from the Keys, yeah, down from the Browns, because, see, here's the thing you don't know Teams don't let go of good. So if you pick up a lineman, and someone else.
Speaker 1:What do you? That's different. I mean, if you can't, that's what I'm saying. You're bringing a guy that you're signing for two years for nothing. Like the guy. He don't even command a big contract. He's not commanding the Trent Williams contract. So for a team to let him walk that tells me all I need to know. Like he's mid-grade, he's not top of the line.
Speaker 2:And it depends on where he's coming from too, because if you look at a Kansas City, they're plug and play. You know what I mean. And Patrick Mahomes, he doesn't sit in the pocket a long time, right, that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying Getting the ball out of your hands. There's things you can do with a bad offensive line, but the bingles team just organization, is just not capable of figuring it out. Like there's things you can do with a bad line, like I've played offensive line, like it's not complicated to get around having a bad line, like it's just, it's not so. That's not even an excuse for me.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so it's, I think. I think this year is going to be. I mean, every year is an interesting draft, but this year is going to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm excited for this year.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited for this year's draft to see what teams are going to do. I think it's going to be a lot of moving parts. We don't see a lot of veterans move around this year just in free agency, so to see the mix-up, I think this is probably going to be one of the most competitive years in football, pending injuries, of course. Now, I was just wondering that about Marvin Harrison Jr. Man, I was just thinking because everybody was talking, everybody's just talking receivers and what they've been doing, especially, like I said, what LSU Pro Day was today. I was just wondering, man, so with that, we're going to end this with some March of the Madness? Nothing too crazy, just kind of a little update. Yeah, man, it didn't save our bracket. So, like I don't know, I went back into ESPN and I couldn't find our bracket, but no, worries yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was destroyed based on memory. Um, so right now in the sweet 16, we got UConn versus San Diego, you got Houston and Duke, you got Illinois and Iowa State, you got NC State, which has been on a run versus Marquette. You got North Carolina and Alabama, you got Purdue and Gonzaga, you got Clemson Arizona and then you got Tennessee and Gonzaga, you got Clemson Arizona and then you got Tennessee and Creighton. So these are some nice matchups. I think we had North Carolina Purdue in the Final Four with UConn and Marquette. That was our Final Four. So we still have a chance to get our final four, but yeah, it was a lot of trip-ups along the way.
Speaker 1:Defund men's college basketball.
Speaker 2:Man, it's. I don't know. I don't know what to do now because, like back in the day, you just think about back in the day and how just extremely exciting it was. Now you don't know who to root for, you don't know who on who team. Nobody's good, yeah, nobody. When was the last time you had an undefeated team Back in?
Speaker 1:the day it was Women's basketball man. It is what it is you know Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2:Like back in the day it was I told you women's basketball man.
Speaker 1:I mean it is, you know, like Kaitlin Clark. I mean watching it. I mean literally that's what I did, shit and Troy I was. I was watching them, watching them, hey.
Speaker 2:Because in women's basketball, you can guarantee this, you can guarantee South Carolina.
Speaker 1:LSU, lsu.
Speaker 2:LSU, iowa, for now, right, notre Dame always competes, who else? Baylor, uconn Normally it's usually Tennessee and they just lost to NC State. But them and Stanford been coming along. You know what I mean. Like there's usually just a group of girl basketball teams that's going to move around throughout the years but they're going to compete. You can like really root for them, but yeah, but this year I mean I just jumped over to the girls. We got South Carolina, indiana, in the Sweet 16. We got Iowa versus Colorado, we got iowa versus colorado, you got oregon state versus notre dame, lsu versus ucla. You got texas and gonzaga, ucla and baylor, nc state and stanford and yukon and duke. So these are is pretty known. But okay, quick question if Kaitlyn Clark don't win the championship, does this? This doesn't mess with her legacy, you don't think?
Speaker 1:college basketball is too hard. It's too hard to win in college basketball and it's like the best team never. The best team rarely wins. It's the highest team. You know what I'm saying? So like no, I don't think it does for sure. And then it's like Kaitlyn Clark is Kaitlyn Clark, but like who are the rest of them? Girls? You know what I'm saying? It's just like I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree with that you can't really just put that on. Put that on her Because I mean, she's going to fall anyway and I've never been a team accomplishment person when we're speaking on individuals. Because what if she averaged 40 in a tournament and they lose? Like you can't not, you can't not, that's not, that's not on her.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:That has nothing to do with her or her legacy.
Speaker 2:So like no I, I would say no okay, and what do you think about ice q offering her five million to come play in the big three?
Speaker 1:that's a game changer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a game changer because she that's a career that's probably well, not probably not now, like she probably made half of that in nil over the past couple years, it's gonna keep her from from doing that is pride, because I know since she was a little girl, she's she.
Speaker 1:I want to play in wmba, I want to play in the wmba and that's gonna do more. If she chooses to to go to the big three instead of the wmba, that's gonna do more harm that might. That might be the final blow to the WNBA, honestly, if she does that.
Speaker 2:I ain't going to lie, you need her in the WNBA.
Speaker 1:You got to have it, you got to have it. And then you see how hyped the city of Indianapolis is, all the ticket sales they done.
Speaker 1:Bro, the tickets they done sold. If she did and it's crazy that we're talking about it like this, because that's a lot of she has to consider that, bro. She has to she, she, she has to examine that, that contract and think about it. But it's going to do so much damage. So it's almost like do she want that quick money or do she want to, like, help build WNBA Cause if she goes to the big three and and and skips out on WNBA WNBA? Because if she goes to the Big Three and skips out on the WNBA, the WNBA might not make it back from there. They might not recover.
Speaker 2:Shoot the Fever, may not the whole damn thing, and they wanted a few original teams left.
Speaker 1:Yep and Vernon you right about that.
Speaker 2:You got the New York Liberty, you got the Washington Mystics and I think the Fever, I think those are like in the clip, the Sparks, Sparks. Those are like the four, the Comets yeah, the Houston Comets gone Like it was the Shock, yeah, yeah, the what, the Miami, something yeah.
Speaker 1:They had man, it was a whole bunch like uh seattle no they still in dallas had a team.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, seattle. Uh yeah, seattle. Been around a minute too, but like, yeah, it's been teams in a switch places. Yeah, mavericks had the dallas had a team, san antonio had a team uh, the mystics, yeah, yeah the mystics are still around, I believe.
Speaker 2:Uh, who else had a team? Houston and the Mercury? The Mercury been around a minute too. But yeah, minnesota link, like a lot of these teams, wasn't even here. Like bro, yeah, nah, uh, it may not, bro, that's that. That would be a blow, because everybody's looking forward to her coming to the WNBA yeah, she skips out on that man.
Speaker 1:It's gonna. It's gonna do some. It's gonna do some damage. I mean it's gonna do damage to the young girls out here that was looking forward to seeing her play. It's going to do some harm. You got to think. Somebody better pony up under the table or something.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:Because if she chooses that bread, it's ugly.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, it's kind of like what type of person? This would show what type of person she is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's definitely going to come down to money or pride, or having a back. I didn't even say having a backbone.
Speaker 2:Can't have a backbone, because you're still competing and she's going to be competing against men.
Speaker 1:I think she'll go to WNBA. Man, I think she will. I just thought so, angel Reese, that 75,000 over the five.
Speaker 2:But then wait a minute, though. If she takes it, you talk about Reese Guess what's going to happen they're going to fall in line.
Speaker 1:Floodgates. That's what I was saying. They, they're gonna fall in line floodgates. That's why I was saying like that they're gonna fall in line.
Speaker 2:He probably gonna have to create a whole nother big three league just for women that might be the beginning of the end, for, uh, it's already shaky yeah that might be officially the beginning of the end of the wmba.
Speaker 1:if she chooses to uh, to, to go to the big three, which is crazy, then it's like bro, how does he even have?
Speaker 2:never mind, it's Ice Cube.
Speaker 1:That's crazy bro.
Speaker 2:It's Ice Cube.
Speaker 1:That's nuts. How much is the other guys getting paid? I?
Speaker 2:don't know. But I mean they're retired players. You don't have to pay them a bunch. They probably just playing to stay in shape. You know what I mean. Give them a reason to still compete. You know what I mean. But you grab some G League dudes. You know what I mean. Fill out some rosters, but you're only playing three at a time, half court, and I heard too, like all the merch, they have no real like middlemen. You know what I mean. So it's just all the money and proceeds go to the players. So, like I said, I think it's genius.
Speaker 1:She better choose wisely bro.
Speaker 2:But I mean, what is wisely? We're sitting here and we're puzzling like what would we do?
Speaker 1:I'm not saying wisely is one way or the other. Oh okay. Her decision. She better avoid the pros and cons.
Speaker 2:Because she could take the money which can't nobody, Can't nobody be, mad about her, but it might be the demise of the WNBA, and that's one of the main things that the women complain about is the difference between pay.
Speaker 1:I just don't understand why they can't get paid more. I don't get it I don't get it either. I don't get it.
Speaker 2:Especially when you look at the contracts that the men get.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know they don't bring in that much money, but like I mean it ain't that many teams.
Speaker 2:I think it's only 10 teams.
Speaker 1:The NBA can't just take an L and just pay them.
Speaker 2:Bruh.
Speaker 1:I mean, even if you make like, if you made the average contract, the NBA minimum contract, they'll be happy with that. Nba business was probably what? $500,000, $600,000?. If you make that the average, I think that'll be cool. But like professional basketball players, man, they should all be making at least a million, bro. Come on, at least you should have, I agree, maybe even your starting five top three or four or five girls, ladies, women, rather. Come on, bro, they should at least be making a million. Yeah, it's an affiliate of the NBA, but G leaguers don't get nothing either.
Speaker 2:So what is the average G league contract?
Speaker 1:that's a good question they make what we make dog probably not even. Yeah, that'd be tough, I'd be struggling that's why guys go overseas, as opposed to the G league cause you a assistant manager at Foot Locker in the G league I mean, you are childish not even gm like yeah, wow yeah, man, they definitely need to work on that, um, but I don't know, did the g league got a collecting bargain?
Speaker 1:I'm sure they got a players association and got some kind of agreement. I'm not positive so don't quote me on it, but I'm sure they got something.
Speaker 2:I'm like man. We got to fight differently, like we like.
Speaker 1:It's like the NBA just acts like it's broke, like just take some of the profit from the like. It's all. It should just be all one big thing. It should be profit sharing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it should just be all one big pool, it should be profit sharing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, bro, Like it's all one it should be just.
Speaker 2:it should be distributed across all the teams and if you have a WNBA team with your NBA team, you should get more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I understand the WNBA don't bring in, you know as much. But so what Like, pay them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then invest in them, Get them a TV deal, Say, hey look, you can watch. You know what I mean. Your favorite WNBA team Make some local TV deals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's going to start with the level of. I mean there has been some dog females pooping.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it's going to take.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it's going to take.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it's going to take either, because you got to think when it first came out, bro, when you had the Cheryl Shoups, the Lisa Leith, the Cynthia Coopers, the Reese Witherspoons, even what was it, Rebecca Lobo? For a little while it was some dogs in the WNBA, like that first couple years.
Speaker 1:You're right, and I mean I guess they laid the foundation. It is a generation though, because, like you didn't get to Cheryl Miller Miller, yeah, kind of started after that.
Speaker 2:Imagine Cheryl Miller there were some dogs that started after.
Speaker 1:But man, that's tough, tough bro. I just don't understand why I just can't get paid bro, like yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2:I mean they playing good basketball man and they do like, if you watch the game, the way they move the ball, like the fundamentals, all that stuff is like there.
Speaker 1:I mean to me, I think it's got to be, you know, the same with them. It's got to be a little bit of entertainment, man, you know, if they I like when you look at women's college basketball and when you look at like you'd be surprised, say, if LSU, when LSU and South Carolina play, if that happens, how many viewers are going to watch that game? Right, yeah, but what I'm saying is, with the, the, you've never, we've never really seen, you know, animosity or fighting, and you know, and you know, because that was not, that's not what's supposed to happen for women's college basketball.
Speaker 1:But you know, I mean I think at the WNBA if you got these players and there's, I just don't think there's. No, you know, now the NBA has changed. Of course you see a lot of players now that like each other, you know. But I mean if you have a, if there's a Draymond Green in the WNBA, you know what I mean. Man speaking of Draymond Green, bro.
Speaker 2:Did this dude get ejected? He played like four minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was watching that live. But, man, I seen after he did something the other night and I was watching it on Instagram. Man, somebody in the comments said at this point they just need to tranquilize bro. Well, I'm still laughing. Wow, la won y'all Tranquilizing one great like that's. That's crazy. I'll try it all week, bro. I mean, that was I can see that I can see that you can't even say like suspend them, sit them down or even kill them like, draymond, you would have to track it.
Speaker 2:well, that's a wow, just tranquilizing, it just didn't go well, that's wild, I've been laughing at that all week bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man Nah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to leave that there, man. Final thoughts. Man, we're going to wrap this up. Final thoughts.
Speaker 1:So the LA Clippers and the Sixers game just went out. Clippers won by one.
Speaker 2:Who did not Clippers in the Sixers?
Speaker 1:game just went off. Clippers won by one. Basically they're fighting because Kelly Oubre went to the goal and got bumped right when the buzzer went off. So Nick. Nurse is on the court screaming. Had to get held back because they thought it was a foul.
Speaker 2:Damn sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Well, opening day is tomorrow. Yep Sucks. Yeah, well, opening day is tomorrow.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:What my sad ass Reds are going to do.
Speaker 2:Your sad ass Reds, my Red Sox man, we sad. I don't really know we ain't getting nothing.
Speaker 1:Red Sox got going on Nothing.
Speaker 2:Reds are sad we ain't had nothing going on since we got rid of Mookie Bates man. Nothing that's tough, exactly Damn Nothing.
Speaker 1:I don't feel sorry for you, though, bro, because we haven't won a playoff series since the early 90s.
Speaker 2:Oh well, yeah, we ain't been that bad, but still For our standards, I ain't with that shit.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I'm looking forward to baseball and it's funny how the seasons work. I'm always ready for the seasons to start when they're about to start, so hopefully I can keep that up.
Speaker 2:Did you end up getting no black jerseys? Who the Cincinnati ones? I know we was talking about them and we seen them. I didn't, I didn't remember.
Speaker 1:Is there. That's all I got.
Speaker 2:I ain't got nothing, man.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing Justin should be. Look, I seen Justin. What was it Thursday night? No, what was that Thursday night? No, what was that no Saturday night? Yeah, he, we talked, so he need to get his butt back on line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:He be having a lot to talk about and I hope Justin watching this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, it's just his job, man. They be having him working late at night now. I think he got two jobs now, but yeah, hey you gotta hey, yeah, like I don't, I like, I don't never fall him, yeah, come back, but I don't ever fall him. Shout out to him and isaac man, life, it's just life right now, man like it can happen to anybody like.
Speaker 2:so, um, I'm glad they still be in the comments. I'm sure Justin every trade rumor, everything that happens, he's quick, he's the first one to post it in the group.
Speaker 1:That's our NFL insider.
Speaker 2:Man, he stay engaged. I'm not even tripping. He keeps the page jumping. I appreciate that. If nothing else Ike, he's usually good for a comment. He might be busy. His birthday was the other day. He might still be celebrating. Yeah, man, I appreciate y'all. Man, this has been another episode of Epic Podcast. We'll see y'all next week. Same place same time, same channel.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir.