E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Inside the Offseason: Dissecting NFL Free Agency and NBA Power Dynamics
Switching courts, we dissect the NBA's power rankings, giving a nod to the underdog Oklahoma City Thunder and their impressive climb, while also analyzing the impact injuries have on shaping the court. The chess game of managing a solid team isn't just about the big moves—it's the clever maneuvers, like Houston's cap management and the Colts' player retention, that often steer the ship to victory. With guest insights stirring the pot, we take a magnifying glass to the player contract strategies that are making waves this offseason.
We wrap up with a play-by-play of the quieter NFL free agency actions in the NFC, weighing the long-term effects for titans like the Kansas City Chiefs. Plus, we're shining a spotlight on the market value of receivers, considering who's setting the bar for contract negotiations. It's a jam-packed session that will keep you at the edge of your seat, from the opening discussion to the final hot take.
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Speaker 2:Yo, yo yo. Welcome to another episode of the Epic Podcast. We are back after about a month. What's some saying faces, man? What's some of the saying faces, but with a new face. David will be joining us later. Ike has some things going on so he's gonna take some more time, but he will be joining us back at some point. But I got one of my bestest friends About 15 years with us joining us, finally today. Been trying to get him on for Over a month now. We got Boom in the house with us, so shout out to Boom. And, of course, man, same old Jared. You know Solid, he's staying here with me. You know what I mean. Last two to walk, but yeah, man. So I'ma start with Jared. Man, how has your break been Since we've, since the Super Bowl, jeez.
Speaker 3:Damn been cool, bro. Like I don't know Time been flying dawg. I can't believe March is our way half over. It's unbelievable. But man, just been in just doing the same old, same old bro Spending time with the fam, you know, kicking it, Same old.
Speaker 2:Alright, boom. And since you new to the show, man, tell people a little bit about yourself, man.
Speaker 4:Alright. Well, I'm Boom, you know, as they all know, some know me as Big Steve, but Boom it is. Brownie said 15 years. Man, it's more than that. We probably didn't lock down for maybe more like 21, 21 years.
Speaker 3:Are you cutting on guys?
Speaker 4:six years I'm trying to think he really did, but it's not.
Speaker 2:No, you're right, let's see, cause I moved In post-brit In 20, in 20, yeah, in 20, 2002, so, yeah, yeah, my bad dang, I cut this real short.
Speaker 4:Hey, it's all good.
Speaker 2:It is 22,. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4:Nah, but man, I just you know our little sports, specialty Football. You know NBA Little bit on NBA, you know, but Definitely in the football world. You know. And you know shameless plug Shout out to my course, shoot podcast Of people. You know.
Speaker 1:Shout out.
Speaker 4:We lock in. Every Friday we about to get the ball back rolling. You know, especially with free agency and stuff like that In off season draft Coming up, you know getting locked back in but gotta stop through and you know, highlight the fam and show my face and bring some of my input into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, we appreciate you being here too. Man, Like I said, it's been a long time in the making, so we be trying to bring some different faces in here, some different people who can contribute, man. So we appreciate you being here. But yeah, man, we gonna jump right into it, man, we gonna real quick touch on the NBA man, just the power rankings real quick. We know this about to be basketball season. After the free agency and the draft, we got March Madness coming up, so we'll be covering all that and we have our guys from Crossroads Sports in here Giving us all the info we need to know to build these Brackets this year. But we gonna start with the NBA man Power rankings right now. We gonna start backwards, as we always do.
Speaker 2:10. We got Dallas at 36 and 28. Been on a bit of a slide, man. Kyrie and Luca have been doing that thing, but it just ain't been enough these past couple weeks. We got Phoenix number 9 at 37 and 27. A lot of them had them as a favor, but Injuries always gonna cut them short between Devin Booker and Bradley Bills. They can't get all three on the court. So they coming in at number 9. Cleveland been on the search here lately they 41 and 23. At number 8, new Orleans Solid in the west, been solid all season.
Speaker 2:They had 39 and 25. Got Minnesota number 6 at 41 and 21, which they been number 1 in the power rankings most of the year. But with Kat being hurt I think they gotta figure out how they gonna move forward. We don't know how long he gonna be out, so maybe end of the season could be. You got the LA Clippers at number 5. Probably since that little 7 game skid With James Hardenford getting there, probably been the most dominant team Praying the NBA outside of Boston. Of course, in the west though, definitely been holding it down in the west At number 5. Milwaukee 42 and 23, the best record since the All-Star break. I know everybody was talking about when Doc Rivers got there how they went winning and they couldn't put together and why they make this change in middle season they had one of the best post All-Star break records In the league. So they're at number 4 at 42 and 23. Okay, see, I would say surprise this year, but with all those talents, that draft picks, those young guys, eventually they were gonna be competing. And they're holding solid at number 3 At 45 and 19. And then, of course, you got the two Probably the favorites in the NBA To probably go to the championship. You got Boston at number 2 at 49 and 14 and Denver at number 1 at 44 and 20, both playing good ball right now, kinda coasting into the playoffs Just last month. But yeah, man. So those are the NBA powerings.
Speaker 2:We just didn't want to forget the NBA. We knew it's a lot going on in NFL. We about to jump into that ASAP, cause we got a lot to talk about. Now. How I want to do this? Cause I wanted to keep it simple and break it down by divisions, cause I think that's the easiest way to talk about what's going on Instead of just trying to go through the names and there's so much that's been happening Just going on by Kinda notable additions, by division. We're going to start in the AFC, starting the AFC East. So Buffalo signed Michael Trinbensky back Two years, deion Dawkins offensive tackle, david Edwards, aj and Penza Edgerusher, dekwan Jones, dt, nicholas Morrow Linebacker, cam Lewis at corner and then Taylor Rapp At safety.
Speaker 3:And then they made all those signings. I've never even heard a few of those.
Speaker 2:A couple of them. I mean offensive linemen, of course you're not going to. If it's not like a top offensive line, you're not going to hear about these guys, you know what I mean. Or dominant DT Some of these are probably just Rotational.
Speaker 3:They let go a lot of them. They let go of the whole starting secondary. I was like dang.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to get into departures Cause that would have dragged this out Like very much, but I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they lost a lot. I feel like we could have done key departures.
Speaker 2:Oh well, that's okay, it's nothing, it is nothing. I have them right here, just in case.
Speaker 3:I'm going to call hand in hand. Some key departures are Hell of an addition for other teams.
Speaker 2:You're right. So let's talk about Buffalo Pills departures Quarterback Kyle Eiland Running back Damien Harris Running back Tavius Murray. They lost Gabe Davis, deontay Hartley, trent Shearfield, olin, ryan Bates and Mitch Moore At Edge, leonard Floyd, shaq Leonard. So Gabe Davis is at the Jaguars we got. Ryan Bates was traded to the Bears, mitch Morris is at the Jaguars and Leonard Floyd is now with the Niners. They lost Shaq, leonard Puttifoy, joseph Phillips, settle Dawson, all-defense, dane Jackson White, all-defense and Michael Hyde and Porter, both for their safeties, which Porter is now with the Dolphins. So those are key departures. That's a lot For a team whose For the Bears, has been Right there Battling the same kind of core guys Fighting for that To get over the hump to an AFC championship. Right Now most of those guys are gone. What do you think about the Bears now? I'll start with you, jared, I mean that's a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 3:I don't really know much about a lot of those guys. Like you said, you know a lot of the old linemen. If they're not top linemen, you really don't know them. So I heard some names in there. I didn't hear too many familiar names but I know Gabe Davis being gone is huge and, like I said, some key departures Turned into great additions, like that Lennon Floyd For the 49ers. I wish I could just see how they paid All these guys. Like I have no idea Now. Granted, I know they got some guys leaving too, but it's a lot of moving parts. For the Bears man, I didn't see anything that hear, anything that Jumped off at me. It's like huge additions, you know, but I feel like they'll still be middle of the pack. I mean, there's a lot of time left to ask some guys. We still got to draft so it's kind of a little bit too early To really say you know how they're going to do, based off the additions and departures. But you know we'll see and don't worry the cat.
Speaker 2:Just like I said, every year, the salary cap go up Went up 32 mil this year, so don't worry, they have enough money to pay people. So what you think, steve, just based on the history of the Bills and how they've been playing and the disappointing playoff runs They've been having the past couple of years, did you think it was time for a shake up?
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, definitely they. Super Bowl window. I ain't gonna say it's closed, but with that roster last season it kind of hit its ceiling. I mean, you know you got, you got key pieces like Gabe Davis leaving and you really don't have nobody to replace him. Yeah, you still got Stefan Diggs, but you still need a solid number two and that's what Gabe Davis was, to be honest. But they still have who was that? Dawson, knox and Crap, just their other tight end, their rookie.
Speaker 2:I know you're talking about KK, kk yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we're having those two at tight end. I think that are kind of soft on the blow. But man, yeah, they're definitely in rebuild mode. It's more like a soft rebuild Because they let a lot of guys go and they also was able to sign a lot of guys. But I really wonder how bad was Tredavia's wife? Because he had that ACL injury and then came back last year and it was kind of silent and then they released him this year and you really haven't heard anybody sign him yet. So I think he's gonna be one of those guys when, you know, probably get a one-year deal Somewhere else to kind of solidify his stamp on the league. But yeah, the way the AFC East is looking right now, buffalo might want to hurry up Because, you know, the Dawson still have a lock on that right now. Patrice is definitely in rebuild, yep for sure, and the Jets it's kind of a toss up.
Speaker 3:I think the Jets actually gonna be Now. I feel like the Jets could have been nice last season, but when your quarterback goes now for plays into the season, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think the Jets.
Speaker 2:Sorry, yeah, we got David with us now. So what's up D? What's up man? We were just talking about the Buffalo Bills. They're a lot of the players that they lost, A lot of the core players they've released, and how they gonna fill these positions, Move them forward, possibly through the draft or late free agent signings.
Speaker 5:So okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Steve David, david's Jerry's brother, steve David Steve been on him 20 plus years. We've been very good friends for a long time Been trying to get him on and here he is finally.
Speaker 5:I like that Richardson's urging the background.
Speaker 2:See.
Speaker 3:I like that, see pop up.
Speaker 4:Like yeah, I like that Right on, right on, Hold on let me close my door.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with you guys. I just think with the bills Like with them already struggling to get over that hump, like you said, probably a soft rebuild. There's a lot of good receivers coming out through the draft, so maybe you don't want to burn all your money in free agency and kind of see how things fall in the draft. It's the wide receiver position also has been one of the Quick turnaround positions from college to pro that we've been seeing a lot of rookies step up.
Speaker 2:You know Josh Downs and what's your oh boy in Baltimore, yeah, a tank a lot of young receivers have been stepping up and been showing they can prove it at the next level, so you're a good receiver in this draft too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So like, do you want to go out and overspend you know what I mean for a veteran in free agency or do you want to kind of see how things fall in the draft? I think that could be.
Speaker 3:I can get a Justin Jefferson. Yes, I do want to overspend, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 3:I've been seeing that, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Okay, one thing you got to understand is continuity. Also, when it comes to a lot of this stuff, man, like them letting Gabe Davis go I mean, that's letting somebody go that you have rapport with. So now you possibly bring in a rookie and it's really like it's a toss up. You don't know how that's going to work out. So it's kind of like do you get more? Do you draft for a rookie robber, see for early, or do you wait in the later rounds for something like, maybe a project like, let's say, the kid worthy who had that combine record?
Speaker 2:You bring somebody like that as a project.
Speaker 4:You know, it really just depends.
Speaker 2:I agree with that. I agree with that. So, staying in AFC East, we're just going to do departures too, because the Dolphins also is another team, I feel like in that same boat. They lost Running Back and Med. They lost five wide receivers in Burrows Chosen, claypool, kraycraft and Wilson. They lost a tight end Crawlf. Like I said, not really big names up there Old Lyman Lane, wim Hunt went to the Panthers, connor Williams, all on the O-line, then Edge Rushers they had Justin Houston, melvin E, grim. Van Ginko went to the Vikings and I can't say Emanuel, I don't want to say Ojiba, I probably messed that up. All Edge Rushers, d-lyman, rayquan Davis, deshaun, hanne and Christian Wilkinson is with the Raiders now. Of course, lymebacker Jerome Baker, eli Apple, justin Bethel, deshaun, elliott, brandon Jones is with the Broncos now and their punter, jake Bailey.
Speaker 4:And also Deshaun Davis just signed with the Coast today too, for on a two-year deal.
Speaker 2:Ok, yeah, he did. He did. Rayquan Davis, the D-Lyman.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:OK, but, and also he's not on here for some reason. But the corner they cut.
Speaker 4:Xavier.
Speaker 2:Howard, Xavier Howard also. So they lost a lot and they're only bringing in. They haven't been real active in the free agent sign-insing market either.
Speaker 3:So Well, I tell you what, man, if we spend this much time on each team, we-.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. I mean, I was just going to do who people signed, because it's just going to be too we could probably do most notable signings. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was doing so.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because if we go team by team, because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Everybody who I'm being cut is just going to be crazy. Team boy. We here Exactly All night. We only 18 minutes in.
Speaker 4:You're breaking down by just division.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm doing about division. So let's just do notable additions. So Miami they added Olimen. They got Robert Jones, titan Janohu Smith, aaron Brewer, shaq Barrett, ed Rusher on a one-year deal, jordan Brooks, anthony Walker from Cleveland, neiman and Jordan Poirier. So they feel some of those positions, but I still think it's not going to be enough for what they lost. I think they lost a lot, especially veteran leadership, but I mean a little stability. I don't think you're really worried about the offense too much because I mean I feel like with the way they play it's kind of plug and play and as long as you keep Tyreek and Waddle, you probably much going to be all right. Very cool New England notable signings they brought Jacobi Bresset back, antonio Gibson from the Washington, about to say reskis the commanders. They resigned Kendrick Bourne. They resigned Hunter Henry. They add Jalen Regler from the Eagles. They got a couple Olimen notable on the defense they didn't really bring in nobody notable. Nobody we would know.
Speaker 3:Hey, just didn't really get active in the draft, though, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got number three. They got some top draft picks, so they probably going to take a quarterback, probably with that number. What is it? Number three pick, I believe. So, yeah, they probably going to take a QB with the way that look we bring it in Bresset. Somebody who knows the Patriot way, somebody who can kind of guide a rookie, and super solid in the locker room too, from what I've heard everywhere he's been, especially when he was here with us. New York Jets been super quiet. They got Tyrod Taylor, which I think is a great pickup. They got John Simpson. Isaiah Oliver is a corner and they resigned their kicker. But they don't really need much. They're a pretty young team. So Baltimore Ravens, of course, derek Henry, which is ridiculous. Imagine Derek Henry with the Ravens, Like what Nelson Aguilar signed him back to a one-year deal and then, of course, they resigned. Justin, I'm going to butcher this. Malibu they $75 million guaranteed, almost $100 million contract for four years. They've been kind of quiet too, but didn't need much. The Ravens has been a solid organization.
Speaker 4:They lost, they lost, I was losing Patrick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, patrick, yeah, he's a stealer now we could have a row crime.
Speaker 2:but yeah, but again, with the Ravens, they're good at finding defense in the draft, so I see them bringing in another young you know, patrick Green was a young guy that they brought in kind of plugged and played in. He was good. So I don't see them not being able to find defense of nothing else in the draft. They're not really good at finding offense but if nothing else they can definitely find defense in the draft. So, cincinnati Bengals the signs Zach Moss to a two year deal. T Higgins got a franchise tag, but of course he requested a trade, which I think is crazy. Mike Gillesky and Drew Sample, a tight end sample, re-signed. And then they got Gillesky one year deal. Yisiki Yisiki I'm horrible with names Koy Cody, floyd O'Lime and re-signed. And then Geno Stone from the Raven sign, a two year $15 million deal. So again, I don't think the Bengals need a lot. That's just me Actually. Jared David, why am I talking about the Bengals? What do you think they should do?
Speaker 3:They need a ton. I'm hearing some rumbles about them trying to bring in Justin Jefferson, which would be crazy, but I mean crazy in a good way. But being a Bengals fan, that's just not how they do business. So I believe it when I see it, T Higgins should have been traded them. We're the only team that act like we can't figure out how to capitalize off talent. I mean, even if you see what Kansas City did with Tyreek, you didn't just let them walk. You know what I'm saying? You want to leave? All right, bet, I'm about to trade you for XYZ and we just get ready running back. So I feel like we should have been traded T. If you had no interest in re-signing them long term, you should have flipped them and paused. You should have got rid of them and brought in something else. But we ain't really got it all up there. The way I see it now, man, our defense is still trash. But if we get Justin Jefferson, I think we'll have enough offense to be able to overpower defense. So we'll see.
Speaker 2:But that's crazy, Absolutely. What about you, David man? You've been crazy. This is an easy one for you to speak on.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing I mean. Of course, living in Cincinnati now, people are really, are really butthurt because Mixon's gone. Like I said, I think Mixon should have been gone a couple of years ago. Yeah, like, but my thing is, I mean the two people that changed the franchise was Borough and Chase. You know what I'm saying, and as long as we got those two, everybody else is replaceable. Man, yep, you know what I mean. I think Mixon, because, see, I ain't really that afraid of Derek Henry. It's crazy that Derek Henry and Mixon kind of got the same type of game. They're not good. They're not good outrunners. They run up to get there, run up the middle, but they don't cut well.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, and so I'm not a loser for all.
Speaker 5:We stopped Derek Henry a couple years ago. I ain't really worried about him too much. He clawed against us. Last year, though, yeah, he did.
Speaker 3:He did Because I mean we lost and I said I saw this all the time. He's a big target, so usually we do good at kind of containing them.
Speaker 5:He went crazy last year, but I mean us losing those safeties a couple years ago, Vaughn Bale, even though they weren't the best. But Ken. Bates. Bates, you know what I mean. I don't know how Stone's going to do. I mean having a Raven over on our side, definitely a plus. You know, that should help us a little bit, maybe, because we definitely did miss. We missed Jesse Bates. You could tell even just with the Chief's game.
Speaker 3:That defense was the same defense without them Pass up the middle run up the middle because we didn't have that.
Speaker 5:That was a big gap for us last year.
Speaker 3:So I disagree with that. But I feel like our defense was identical last year. I don't feel like Jesse Bates did have a really good season in Atlanta for what it's worth. I mean, you know they as a collective defense team went worth a damn. But I mean singly, I think he had like three or four picks in one game, like it was something crazy like that. So he had a good season in Atlanta, but Jesse Bates can't tackle. Jesse Bates cannot tackle, he's not a sure tackle. So a lot of miss tackles. He's not really a good man defender. He get a lot of his plays off, you know, playing the middle of the field or playing cover too, like. So I don't really think we missed anything with them. Like I feel like the young guys got to step up. The Nick Scott signing was exactly what we thought. It was Like who the fuck? Why the fuck? And he's out of there. You know what I'm saying. So like I'll call that again Because like why did you bring him in when they said we were signing them? I'm like who?
Speaker 3:So, I mean, it's really the same thing with the bingles. That's why I'm not too optimistic about this whole Justin Jefferson rumor, but we'll see. I mean, the bingles on the social media are hinting at they got some big news that they're just waiting to break, but they're trying to finalize it. Why don't you be something stupid? I'm flipping everything over.
Speaker 2:So, boom. What you will find out being here with us is that these two Dave is a little more optimistic when it comes to the bingles and his teams. Jared, he be on them, he be on them. So you're going to get about this much optimism out of Jared until they win a Superbowl, and even then he's going to still have something. I don't know what else.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say, man, if it ain't perfect, it ain't perfect.
Speaker 4:No, I feel both of them. I'm the same way with the coach man. I'm optimistic but at the same time I'm like hey, get the fuck out of here. That's critical.
Speaker 2:You got to be critical, yeah, so yeah, I'm going to leave that where it is Cleveland Browns. They get Jared Judy for nothing.
Speaker 4:They got here for a pack of Newport 100s.
Speaker 2:I'm like for a fifth and a sixth exchange. An exchange so you really didn't give up nothing because you got picks in return, like I think that's crazy.
Speaker 4:I think it was the lower round picks. Just because I want to say he's probably coming up on a contract year.
Speaker 1:He is.
Speaker 4:So they didn't want to give up a lot and possibly not even keep him.
Speaker 2:Especially, and you have to pick up his. I think this would be his fifth year option. Well, his, the fixture option will be next year, so you have to make a decision on that too. But still, I mean, you put Jared Judy in. Now you got Jared Judy and Cooper.
Speaker 3:Elijah.
Speaker 2:Moore, elijah Moore, nick.
Speaker 4:Trubb David Bill.
Speaker 2:That's a nice looking roster in Cleveland. Yeah, which and Nick.
Speaker 3:Trubb will be back. I don't know it's coming back, but they do. They got Jerome Ford still, so they got some weapons.
Speaker 2:And then you add. Then you add Zidarius Smith, like I mean you got Zidarius Smith Like bro they going to be that's a team right there.
Speaker 3:People think, oh, y'all got so many, bro, that's a team right there.
Speaker 2:They've done very well.
Speaker 3:Ah, blum, and it's like the way that the teams in our division are set up. They don't even really need a quarterback to go crazy Like. I think the Russell Westbrook pickup for the Stillers was excellent.
Speaker 2:You mean Russell Wilson?
Speaker 3:Russell Wilson, my bad. I about to say, oh yeah, that would have been one, that would have been crazy, yo. But now they're not, they're not serious. They went 10 and 7 without a quarterback last year. You know, you put us If Russell Wilson can go, if he can get you two more wins.
Speaker 2:You're 12 and 5 now.
Speaker 3:Man if he could throw 20 touchdowns.
Speaker 2:If he do 26 and 8 again and get you two extra wins bro.
Speaker 3:He'll be 12 and 5 easily.
Speaker 2:That's a very successful season.
Speaker 3:They already got a lot of points. They always had defense, they defense.
Speaker 5:They got an old boy from the Ravens.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying Speaking of Pittsburgh. You got Russell Wilson, patrick Queen, which you throw him in the middle Of a Steelers defense bra, you see what he was doing in Baltimore. Now you put him in a. You put him in a linebacker, heavy Stealer defense, how they play Probably one of the fastest linebackers in the league too, so he can cover and Imagine blitzing him and white off the same side.
Speaker 2:Hey no, but I'm just saying though, but they run at 3-4 most of the time, so imagine putting them on the same side and yeah, from the way it's looking, we have a fourth best roster in the division. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. It is crazy to say that Wait, wait, wait, chase and Joe, but like it did, like you just think about, like that's crazy to say hop the buck and let's not throw in ownership and defense.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah yeah, I'm saying, or ownership of coaching, but from top to bottom, offense and defense, we clearly have the fourth, fourth best roster in that division. I don't even think it's close.
Speaker 2:And then they got Dante Jackson from From the Panthers. They traded Dianthe Johnson, which I don't know if you give up a weapon for a corner, but but I mean still. I mean you still young.
Speaker 3:Fit the Steelers culture. Whether you, good or not, gotta go.
Speaker 2:I agree with that.
Speaker 4:He was giving them some conduct detrimental types. You know they was looking to trade him but honestly, man, russell Wilson to me is the dark horse. Biggest signing of the all-season oh yeah. Yes, yes, I don't think people really understand that he actually just joined the best situation for his career because he does. If you really look at it, he's joining the Seattle Seahawks all over again. Yeah, you know, maybe a better version We've got yeah, a slightly better version. You know, you got, you got. The runner-back room was shaky, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:I take Warren and Najee yeah that's cool, I Take a nice.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm sorry. No, he's starting up.
Speaker 2:Even if you flip on me, you start Warren and Najee be your backup. I would take that, yeah. Yeah, the war really showed out last year when he got his opportunity.
Speaker 3:It's all about how you use these cats, man Just use them.
Speaker 4:I'm using right and he doesn't the offense. Russell, he started fading. His career started fading when they tried to make him a past happy quarterback. He's not that. He is a game manager. I don't care what nobody say.
Speaker 2:Oh, steve, you're doing so good, hold on Hold on Wait, wait. All right, cam Newton, come on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, based on his performance in, you know his performances in Seattle, I would disagree. But I think now I think it's safe to say that Russell, russell Wilson, is a game manager.
Speaker 2:Now, this is the talent to be a game breaker or Game changer, or yeah but Okay I'd say I mean he's top when he's, I think you, I think his situation and everybody's right to an extent. I think in Denver he had to be a game manager because they were trying to.
Speaker 2:Don't try to make them. They're trying to make him drew breeze, but in Seattle it was, it was run first, play action. That's how they did it. And then Pittsburgh is the same way. If they they run first, then they play action. And if you know, I mean you only, they only pass, like they only in shotgun and have to pass the ball when they have to like when is you know in In certain situations, but most of the time they're gonna run the ball and then they're gonna play, play action. So, like you said, I agree that, yes, he here, he would probably be looked at as game and, like you said, just with him being an older quarterback and you know they all Styles change as they get older he's not running around, but but even when he started in Seattle, he didn't.
Speaker 4:They didn't need, they didn't have to play because they had more shine back here told in the rock. You know, of course you had. You had a ball winning them guys you know, I receiver, but you was relying on that defense now once they got rid of the legion of boom and March on left and they added lock it and mech have. That's when they started to say, okay, we need to start passing boy, you gotta let, you gotta let Russ cook man. That's what I know.
Speaker 2:He still. He still has some good years, but it was it wasn't. It wasn't conducive to winning. I'm talking about, like when you compare it to the success they I mean when you went to back to back Super Bowls and we're not back to back, but you know, you went to Super Bowls and you won one and like that type of when I mean in success.
Speaker 3:He had 40 touchdowns in 2020. Dog, yeah, that's. That's not game managing. Yeah, and I think that's 12 and 4, and he threw for 40 touchdowns over 4,000 yards. Qb rating of 105 one that's. That's kind of not game managing like that's. Those are good, those are excellent numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't think that they I don't think they made it out the first round, though.
Speaker 5:That's, that's yeah.
Speaker 2:That's not contradicting what you're saying. Like, far as him personally, his numbers was good. But I think, when you get that quarterback and you say, hey, this our franchise quarterback and we've had this early success with this recipe, and then, like you said, boom, they changed the recipe, granted, you're still winning, but it's not, you know, second, third round, it ain't conference championship, it's not possible Superbowl, I think. That's when, like you said, the narrative around Russell changed and then it's like, okay, he's now the problem. We got to get him out, which I agree. I think that's crazy, like I wouldn't have got rid of was. I'm like a. I got a Quarterback, probably the hardest position to play in sports he's producing. What do I got to do to help him out of start, like you said, reinvesting in the defense, reinvesting in the run game, reinvesting the old line, which they never did. The old line, the old line was terrible.
Speaker 4:Like let's be real here. You talked about how bad he was. Did he really have any weapons? Like he had Jerry Judy and Corwin. Sudden they just got rid of Jerry Judy. So obviously he wasn't a weapon. They just sold that man for some hot fries.
Speaker 3:I don't think you know, I'm a big college college guy. Jerry Judy is is nice.
Speaker 2:But I look at it like in a champagne's offense like you got to have somebody could stretch the field.
Speaker 3:You got. You want to play for buddy?
Speaker 2:I'm just. That's true too, but I'm just thinking you look at what three head coaches you know what I mean. He played for two different head coaches, two different styles, and the first, like, said, the year one they gonna blame, they blame it on the coach. Okay, now year two, you get a proven coach that you can't blame it on. You know what I mean? He has a proven tracker. I think we all can agree to shine. Peyton is a pretty decent coach, at least for the time they wasn't see at in New Orleans, I mean so.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. He kept that. He kept that ship afloat for a very long time when they had some mediocre teams.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm just saying fucking based off of shit he pulled this year.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely no.
Speaker 3:I try to make him a state goal. Quarterback had 26 touchdowns and eight picks like come on, man.
Speaker 2:We're trying monster numbers, but you're in a, like you said, you're in a. You're in a situation where you should be running the ball, play action like in different light, and rely on your defense, which was a very good defense. You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean Nothing, throwing for 50 touchdowns and 46 touchdowns, no more. Like it's a different game, so I mean start.
Speaker 2:no, yes.
Speaker 3:It's decent. And 15 games, you know, of course he's set the last two. That's not bad.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3:That's still his move. Was good man. If he can go, 26 and eight.
Speaker 2:That's what if he do that again and get them two more wins? Oh no hey.
Speaker 4:He's gonna try to go for like eight touchdowns against Denver this year. Man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's gonna be a good.
Speaker 4:They play him in Denver.
Speaker 3:So that game. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a Monday night game. Hope you like them up.
Speaker 2:I swear he gonna try. All right, let's move on, man. Let's jump into the LCS South man. Start with the Houston Texans. They get Joe mixing. Uh, resign Doton Schultz. They get the Nico Altree. Then, hey, this is probably one of the biggest sign is to they get hunter from the Vikings that's. I can't believe he sat out there that long. Oh yeah, yeah. Two years, 49.
Speaker 4:Yeah 48 guaranteed.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:So that's, that's what probably scared a lot of team.
Speaker 2:That pride, but look at his production.
Speaker 3:You can do stuff like that when you, when you got your quarterback when you got a rookie.
Speaker 3:Yep, mm-hmm, he's good. So you're like, okay, bet that's. That's another thing. I think the bingles fucked up at why Joe Borough wet and get pay. We should have been spending tons of money on everybody else, like the Rams did. They got them super bowed out of it. Then, once you win a super bow, all right, you go, we can rebuild after that. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that's, that's Houston's in a great spot when you can have a MVP level, a quarterback plan on a rookie contract, that's a cheat code.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:That's really a cheat code. Now you can just pay running backs receivers, defensive guys you can, just you. You can pay whatever you need to pay to these other positions to get your job done, because your quarterback, yeah, two million a season granted. I mean, you know you got a signing bonus, but he.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:So, and I mean it's a bunch of guys we don't really know on on the defensive end Mike, for Lonnie Johnson, they resigned. Desmond King Uh, jeff, a kadoa, sign him. Eric Murray resigned. It's a bunch of reasons. So they did some resigns. That's about it keeping that core, which they was a very good team last year, so they didn't have to do too much. The coach, of course, we resigned. Michael Pittman Resigned a. We basically resigned all our people. So take Juan Lewis, gover, stewart, franklin Moore, sanchez, our punter. We just resigned our people.
Speaker 4:The only person, the only person we didn't resign, who's still out? There is a Julian Blackman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but but this, with the safety market being what it is and there's so many like solid safety's available, I don't think you got a rush and resign them back.
Speaker 4:No, I think honestly, we're proud we're most likely leaning to a veteran signing. I would take one name that really sticks out to me and I've been saying since they cut him his Quadrate digs. Yeah you know, putting him at that free safety spot, nick Kross most likely will come back next year and be that strong. That's starting strong safety. But actually having a veteran on that back end with Kenny Moore, you know or even in rotation, oh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I, julian Blackman, if they bring them back, it probably won't be nothing but maybe a one-year deal. But I still feel like they they're possibly gonna go get a maybe a quadrate digs.
Speaker 2:Which wouldn't be like I said, wouldn't be bad. I mean like at this point, with there's so many safety's out there and I mean they're good safety's too so, like you know, I Don't feel like for us that's Anybody you go after is not gonna be like oh man, that's just horrible pickup, unless you just pick up some no-name, which I think on defense that's probably been one our biggest struggles is the safety position, far as health and Finding the right fit, I would say another corner too, just to help out, because we've been a lot of injuries, that corner. So, if we can, I think if we can rotate more, Is.
Speaker 4:Avian Howard is probably somebody to look at corner wise, maybe CJ Henderson I think he played for Panthers last year maybe just just them two, but I don't see nothing more than maybe a one or two year deal. I don't see nothing long term. A lot of the deals that they've been making have been like three year deals anyway, and I think most likely they're making they're making all these deals three year deals is because guys would be entering, you know, their 30th birthday type stuff and they would still want to get another contract. But you also got to think AR's contract would be coming up around that same time too, but they want to make sure that they free up a lot of money to make sure that they get him signed, which I'm pretty sure they will, and a lot of these guys probably won't be coming back per se, but you know it's still to see.
Speaker 2:And when you look at the safety position just throughout the league, they're like the running backs of the NFL. Like you don't really see safeties getting a ton of money nowadays, like you just don't, because they you could throw, you can throw corners back there you can. You know what I mean. Like it's not as special of a position, I believe, as it used to be when you get hit the way you want to, and you know what I mean. Like people going across the middle, like it was a different time in NFL so you was getting those guys like the Charles Woodson's and stuff, like they were getting big money, but now it's kind of like a I want to say Jamar Adams and Derwin James are probably the last two safeties to get like real big money.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:The next person who will probably get some big money is Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:And unless they start, you know they get a safety in there who can do a bunch of things. I mean, I think that's the key to getting paid now, especially for those positions outside of running. You know a quarterback If you can, if you can come in and you can cover like a corner, you can tackle like a linebacker and you still got the speed to play safety. That might change a lot of things. And I think Kyle Hamilton is that next guy.
Speaker 3:I mean you can bring him up in the box, you can have him back in coverage, he can guard your tight end, he can be in the middle of the field. He can just do a lot of different things, and I think that's going to be the key to safety is getting paid. I mean, that's how you got to make it, or you're going to be signing $3.5 million one year contracts for the rest of your career.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that. Jacksonville, I don't know Like they were supposed to be better, I think. But I mean this year gave Davis it was just gave Davis. They got Mac Jones from New Orleans from New Orleans, New England, for a little bit of nothing to back up Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence was banged up a little bit last year, so I can understand them not being the same team as a last year, we're going to be all back up, though, with Garnamish.
Speaker 2:That's another question that we're still trying to figure out. They get Mitch Moore from the, from the bills? No, not at this point right now. I mean, we got a what's called it, oh boy, um, but he was trash.
Speaker 3:Out of them there kept me, my boy. Y'all couldn't have paid that money that he got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, from the Raiders.
Speaker 3:But it would have been nice to keep him around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Darnell Savage? They pull, bring him in. They bring in some offensive linemen Um Cleveland and Mitch Morris. So they showed up their old line and, like I said, kept Josh Allen's franchise tag, which I'm sure they'll get a deal done. He's too valuable not to get a deal done with. And then they bring in Darnell Savage.
Speaker 1:So that too.
Speaker 2:You said what the real Josh out Tennessee, super quiet. They signed Tony Pollard I think that's probably the biggest name and they grab a. A woozy, yeah, yeah, I think that's yeah, woozy, yeah, I think that's about it. Everybody else, I think that's about it. Everybody else is really no names. Afc West Denver Uh, they haven't really done anything. No, they resign their kicker. Nobody else is really notable PJ Locke, brandon Jones they bring in two safeties Malcolm Roach, a defensive lineman and a fullback. For some reason, uh, yeah, kansas City.
Speaker 2:Uh, I think they're biggest reason. I mean Chris Jones, of course.
Speaker 3:uh, ridiculous amount of money they really just see what happens with the Jerry's no uh, luxurious need though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they, they uh, franchise tagging. But I think with I think you gotta find a way to bring him back because that corner doing with him and uh, uh tip of my tongue is McDuffie they like that tandem with one of them a superbowl they won them a superbowl like being able to have two guys that can cover pretty much anybody, pretty much that one number superbowl. So I think you gotta figure that out.
Speaker 3:And you know paying all these other guys, I gotta see what I know Pacheco's contract, that's the thing we're getting drafted in the late rounds. And then you snap, you get to that money quicker.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3:Pacheco probably only had a maybe a two year contract, so he's going to need to. He's going to get re-upped away sooner than some of the first rounder that got to play out for possibly five years, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:So, like I said this, you speaking to them, like I said, they trying to restructure, uh, my home, uh, he did.
Speaker 3:I just saw yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which.
Speaker 3:I just cheat.
Speaker 2:No, I don't, I don't understand that I think, but like, but see what, the what, the way to franchise I mean the franchise, the way the salary cap is set up is that we did keep increasing. You got all, like I was saying, with all these TV deals and all this money coming to, coming into the NFL, new money streaming, all this stuff, bro, they could just kick the can down, the down the road.
Speaker 3:That's what they're doing, but it's just like I feel like why have a salary cap if you allow teams to just manipulate it? That's, that's, that's the best. You got the best quarterback possibly, possibly ever. I mean, it's arguable. At this point, Patrick, my home's is arguably on pace.
Speaker 2:If he's still in this pace to be yes.
Speaker 3:I mean I feel like even if his career ended now, I mean he's done more than a lot, but that's here and there. But to be able to sign him to a billion dollars I know that's not the number, but to whatever but then just keep restructuring his contract so it's not hitting against the cap like bro. I mean why just throw the cap out the window if you just going to laugh and then you know there's only certain teams can do stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So it's just like, but it's it's, but it's also, I think, with your front. I think that's you got to think away how front offices be working though. Like the Rams, like they're one of them teams, they like look, we willing to do whatever to win. They like they said. They said forget the salary cap. Like, forget the picks, I don't care, give me proven players now that I know can come in and play and compete. And they got a Superbowl out of it.
Speaker 2:So I think Kansas, I think Kansas City, in that same mind frame hey, look, we got a. We got a big nine quarterback, we got it. Dudes on defense, we got to pay. Hey, look, we're going to sprinkle in, you know, cheap, effective offensive players. We're going to let our quarterback be special, we're going to let our tight end be special and we'll figure everything else out.
Speaker 2:And whatever we got to do to kick the can down the road. If at some point we got to pay Patrick Mahon a hundred million, you know one year, whatever we'll do at the end of his career, whatever, that'll be Cool. So we got a baseball team's paying Kieran Giffey Jr. We still got AI getting paid from you know what I mean 10, 20, 15 years, you know. So teams are willing, and companies are willing, to kick this can down the field and just deal with it when the team is no longer competitive and they say, okay, cool, we in salary cap hell, we don't care, we'll, we'll stay young, we'll lose, we'll get a number one pick and then we'll do it again at some point in 20 years. So when the cap is jumping up 30, you know, 20 to 30 million every year, it's working, that's right.
Speaker 4:But you got to also think they they really don't have no high price players on that team outside of Patrick Mahon's and now Chris Jones. I mean you got to yeah.
Speaker 2:Kelsey, don't? Yeah, kelsey. I think he's like the fifth highest paid tight end, but I mean to be fifth, that's still really might be one of the best.
Speaker 3:No, he's definitely one of the best all the time. He might be the best all the time, so yeah, that's, that's a party.
Speaker 4:They ain't got too much money tied up in other places so they able to kind of that salary cap a little bit.
Speaker 3:They say. They say Isaiah Pacheco run like he eat people or bite people.
Speaker 4:Oh, God he's. He run like a Tyler who got something in his hand. He ain't post too. You know what. It's so funny, man. I laugh every single time.
Speaker 2:When I first seen him run bro, the first name that came in my head was natron means I don't know if nobody remembered natron and how he used to run. That man was like one of the biggest, angriest runners ever, bro. But like that's who I see. Like that same upper, like he run with his head. He just like I don't care, like I'm never going to stop. You got to stop me from moving. I'm never going to stop running.
Speaker 2:So yeah, having a round pick, something like that I think he was in sixth round, but that's crazy. Moving right along, we got the Las Vegas Raiders, of course. They get Gardner Menchew and Christian Wilkinson. Those are their big signings. Nothing crazy right now, but they got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 2:Chargers Gus Edwards I mean to replace just Echler, and I really think that said. They got Will Dissy, which I don't know who he is, but it's a tight end. That's really it. Nfc they're jumping to the NFC. Dallas has done nothing. Literally there's nobody there. The Giants get Drew Lock, solid veteran in the back up Tobacco boy. You get Devon Singletary from the Texans I think that's a good pickup at Rannabag, which is no say Quine Barkley, but he's a young guy who can probably get the job done. Isaiah McKenzie we had him last year, fast. I mean that's decent. Brian Burns, though I think that's really what we need to talk about from the Panthers Now you're talking about a dumb organization. I want to talk about the Panthers real quick, just real quick. So last year the Rams offered them two first rounds for Burns and they said no. But then this year you give him up for a second and a fifth.
Speaker 4:They had to take that second and a fifth because of his contract.
Speaker 2:Bruh, you could have got two firsts last year. I agree. To be honest, you knew you wanted to pay him the money you could have paid him last year and you didn't.
Speaker 3:And then they gave up. You got to remember they gave up a lot to get Bryce Young too. So that probably is like hey, I got to get some picks after this Because he might be a bus. I didn't see anything that was encouraging from Bryce Young this year.
Speaker 4:I mean I'm going to give him a mulligan just based off of he had not nothing of a weapon nor an old line. I got to see some flash. He had Frank White as his damn head coach. He got fired. What six, seven games into the season. So, I mean, it was definitely a lot, but yeah, I give him two more years before I say I'm definitely giving them time, for sure I'm not.
Speaker 2:Especially with the organization who constantly fires coaches, constantly changing personnel. You're not giving this young guy time enough to learn nothing. There's no consistency about him. There's no number one receiver, there's no solid running game. There's nothing there. Like you said, the old line play was you can't even say mediocre horrible. The bright spot was the defense, but the defense is leaving. He's leaving. You know what I mean, and that's a test to ownership and just not wanting to be in the building, no more. I think you know what I mean. I think Bryce burns, probably on the back. It was like look, I don't want to be here, so y'all could take the bit. Whatever the best deal is, take it, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 4:No, I mean to be honest you feel. Why not keep them, you know, if you want to actually build your team they have the number four defense in the league last year.
Speaker 3:Oh the.
Speaker 2:Panthers, yes, their defense was Wonderful. Granted, they was on the field a lot, but they played good, like you, just let them go. You like you, let your corners go. You let your best defensive player, like what we doing. Anyway, moving on to the Eagles, uh say, kwame Barkley, did y'all hear the hate speech behind that, how Tiki Barber was talking about? So when Tiki Barber did a, lamar Jackson trolled him and said you know, stone, you're dead. I think that's crazy. Look, you didn't want to pay him. If you first off you, tiki Barber, you got a great relationship with the Giants. Why don't you go speak on his behalf? Yeah, why don't you? Why don't you talk the value to the team and get them to pain?
Speaker 4:The organization wasn't loyal to say Kwame.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Yeah, at the end of the day, yeah, quick to say that's a business when players leave, or y'all get rid of players, or whatever, but then when players make a decision to sign, I'm gonna sign wherever up. Hey, eagles won't pay me. For all means. I love to stay here, but they want to pay me. Would you like to? I'm sure you got a chance to counter you don't want to pay him. In a three-year, 37. That's 10 million a year you talking about. Y'all couldn't shake out 10 million For, say, kwame, your best player. Get out of here, bro. That's crazy. Like you said, teams do do Salary cap acrobatics all day, bro. You tell me you couldn't shake out 30 mil for him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, your best player on offense.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Landon Dickerson Olimon, you give him a $84 million extension with 50 million guaranteed, but you don't give your running back anything. Bryce Huff that's probably one of the best signings they got. Brendan Graham re-signs. Gardner Johnson Jr he signs a three-year deal. That's Like teams got money, like the Eagles, look at who they have, look at who they have and they you tell me you can't pay these. Like I said, like if you want to win, you won't be competitive. You need to pay. You got to pay to play. That's pretty awesome. You gotta also think the Eagles defense.
Speaker 4:Doesn't really have nobody high priced over there. You know they None of their ends are high priced. The corners, I think. Who may be Darius?
Speaker 2:It's still. He's not high price cuz he's older.
Speaker 4:Yeah I say, but he's towards the end of his deal, low key and he signed that some years ago, Safeties I mean they just signed a Gardner Johnson. So you know, but outside of that I mean I really don't have nobody high price over there. All their high price people is on offense. Yeah, you know, they can make that, say crime Berkeley move, but you know, but look at the Giants, who are they?
Speaker 2:high price players Nobody. You got a $40 million quarterback but still, yeah, but still, bro, I just, I know you can shake out 30 mil, like I know you can over three years. Make it incentives, like making a sign about you could do something, man, I'm done, I'm done. Washington commanders they get, okay, mary older, they get Austin Eckler that's probably their best signing Mm-hmm, zack earth to solidify that tight end position where they've been struggling. Couple offense alignments. Like I said, nobody, nobody, special, special at all.
Speaker 4:NFC north.
Speaker 2:You got the Bears, they get the Andres Swift. That's a. I think the Bears is probably gonna be Really good this year If they said I don't know, I don't know, I you go either way. I mean you're gonna be in the same position.
Speaker 3:I feel like I hope they do keep them down because if they didn't, they kind of screw them cuz a landing and got their quarterback. They messed up his trade value real bad. The Steelers got their quarterback.
Speaker 4:I mean, it's only a few places and only place he could really go.
Speaker 3:You can really talk right now is.
Speaker 2:Minnesota Probably.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know they not trading him there. That's division rifle.
Speaker 2:Do you want to see him twice a year angry yeah?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's. I'm saying either there or Denver, denver.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's probably.
Speaker 2:That's probably really it. Nowhere else really needs A quarterback of that caliber, unless he will in the city behind some of the other guys.
Speaker 4:He don't.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:I agree he being winning them a lot of games honestly to me, man, just stay at number one and drive Marv Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2:That's what I was thinking. I'm like just get you a weapon. Or even if you trade down two or three picks to somebody like I don't know, you know somebody who really wants to jump, like a Washington didn't want to move up to spots, you know how many picks you can probably get from Washington to To to move down number two. Oh, they are number two. Oh, no, nevermind, yeah, so probably. Yeah, you have to move down to somebody else, but you could probably flip that one. Probably still get Marv Harrison Jr If you jump behind the teams they got, they won't quarterbacks. Let somebody jump the one to get the guy they really, really won't and Move on if they trade it.
Speaker 4:I don't see a trade being done until maybe Drafted. Oh have nothing.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about four fields.
Speaker 4:Yeah, by the night before draft day he's there put yeah, and I mean you get, you get a.
Speaker 2:You get Gerald Everett and tight end, you get your best corner back. You get Kevin, kevin bow from the Eagles, good corner, I mean good safety. Jonathan Owens, you get another safety. So you mean they showing up, their defense, they showing they're gonna be the old bears. We're gonna run, we're gonna play good defense. You already got sweat which showed that he's gonna be a huge piece for them. And again you, just you just run. I say running gun. Like say, I say just get him some more more weapons. Like you say, get Marv Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2:If you could possibly trade back and somebody won't jump up to one, you can probably get another first round in a couple seconds. Like you said, it's a lot of receivers out here Loading multiple weapons and see what shakes out. So Detroit Lions yeah, I don't really see Carlton Davis. They got from the Bucks. That's probably. That's probably, it's probably it. I'm outside of resigning. I mean they got Marcus Davenport on the one. You deal, but that's yeah, nobody else. He may, or Moseley resigns.
Speaker 2:But they haven't really made a moves which they don't need a lot. You can tell the teams has just been competitive and don't really need a lot, they're just filling holes. Green Bay Packers they get Josh Jacobs, which huge, huge and everything else is a resign outside of a. Xavier McKinley to no, he's he been with them, never mind. Sorry, wrong person, but yeah, you resign him. You get a four-year deal and you get Josh Jacobs. I think that's big. I didn't again. They don't need a lot On every sign. Nixon, they that cornered every Turner who was real good for them. On special teams you get him a three-year deal. But Again, competitive team been quiet. The Vikings they get Sam Darno. They get Aaron Jones, which I think is a good pickup. Andrew van Ginko signs a two-year contract with them and that's, that's really it. But do you see Sam Darno as a starter? Do you think that fixes their QB?
Speaker 4:He's more of a bridge.
Speaker 3:He's probably like a Well, we'll just sign him just in case we don't get our quarterback this year. We'll just, you know, but getting off he's not the future, there's no way. Okay, let's see, pulls a Baker Mayfield or some shit and just goes crazy next year.
Speaker 2:But in that offense you got to see they've had a bunch of different quarterbacks in that offense and they all produce. It didn't really was conducive to winning, but they all put up a lot of big numbers. So Maybe it's an easy offense to learn and maybe that's what Sam Darno need is something dumb down and super simple for him to execute. Especially if you keep Justin Jefferson, you keep your weapons. It's not really hard to throw the ball up to Justin Jefferson. I mean, his catch radius is astronomical, so you ain't got to be the most accurate guy Jumping to the NFC south. We got the Atlanta Falcons, kurt course, kurt Cousins.
Speaker 4:Mad Vanessa.
Speaker 2:Bro, but he been finesse. Actually, I'm glad we here I want to tell y'all I want you, because I see something that was super interesting that I knew and I just found the numbers on it and I was like this man's been finesse, and for a very long time. So this is Kirk Cousins. Since his rookie season, 2012 to 2015. On his rookie contract he only made two and a half meal. In 2016 he got franchise tag for 20 million. In 2017 he got franchise tag again for 23 million or 24 million. When he went to the, to the Minnesota Vikings, he got 84 million fully guaranteed. Nobody knew that and he's his own agent. And then, 2020 to 2022, he made 66 million fully guaranteed. And then 2022 to 2023, he made 35 million fully guaranteed. Now he just went to the Falcons and got 150 million guaranteed.
Speaker 4:That's Kirk Cousins and the thing about it is he's Go ahead. He's getting 90 million Between this upcoming season and next season Ridiculous.
Speaker 2:And now you just surrounded him with a bunch of young cats, a bunch of hungry young cats, like you got a, you got. You got good running game, you got good tight end, you got all the same things he pretty much had in Minnesota outside of Adjusting Jefferson. But I mean, london is no slouch, you know what I mean. You. You grab one more weapon somewhere. You still got a Calvin Ridley magic bringing the Kevin Ridley back. You still got a Calvin Ridley magic bringing the Kevin Ridley back and putting that you know opposite side. You know what I mean. Like that's to me it's just ridiculous. And then they had a solid defense. Bad thing about them was they were just on the field too much. But that's really it. They get Darnnell Mooney on a three-year deal, but that's really it. Outside of Kirk Cousins, they're, of course, only. We talked about the Panthers. There's nothing mentioned on here outside of the trade with the Steelers. But and old linemen? They give old linemen a hundred million dollar deal. But again, we all just talked about what they need. The Saints hasn't done anything outside of Tyron Matthew. He signed the new two-year deal, super cheap deal, full of incentives. Tempabay, course. They get Baker Mayfield signed back. They get Mike Evans signed back. They signed Levante David back on a one-year deal. They give Winfield the the franchise tag and that's really about it with them.
Speaker 2:Nfc West has been super quiet. The Cardinals have done nothing outside of signing Murphy Bunting. Everything else is just resigns and nobody really important. The Rams have done nothing Super quiet outside. The markets were opposite, but that's a resign. Niners Getting Leonard Floyd. They got George Odom as safety, but nobody really. They get Brandon Allen as a QB, but that's just a resign. I mean nothing. And Just Seattle resigns. Noah Flynn and Williams. They cut a lot of people so Everything's really been cracking. It feels like in the AFC the NFC has been kind of quiet, looks like. So I Was good going to some other stuff talk about, but you know me still free agency stuff. Who's left? We can dive through this real good at the top guys left from Tyron Smith to Ridley Fuller wait, calvin, really the free agent.
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't. I don't know why he's still sitting there, but. That's not bro. He's still sitting there Like I just think that's that's crazy.
Speaker 4:And he wants to go. I think I heard he wants to go back to Jacksonville, but I don't think they go. Had that type of money to put that money out like you know, they still got a page out. Yeah, yeah, they trying to, they trying to penny pitch right now To come up with the type of contract that he wants, cuz yeah, wait a minute, has no Lawrence already got his deal?
Speaker 2:Okay, so yeah, no, also you got yeah, yeah, you kind of yeah, yeah, yeah I want to get drafted the same he was he was a girl right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was a yeah. Yeah, so yeah, this year coming up. Yeah, so yeah, you probably don't want to. Yeah, you gonna. You gonna kill the cap with that. So yeah, tyron Smith, calvin Ridley, Kindle, fuller. Mark Reese Brown is still out there, receivers they find Gilmore, a little older, but he held it down in a Dallas while Digs was out. You got Chase young, he's only 25, still developing got a lot of, a Lot of injuries, but I mean what you could get out of armstead out there. Cameron Curle, javane and clowny, which he's every year he's out there again. Julian Blackman, safety's. Justin Simmons you said what I Just laugh you like.
Speaker 4:every year he's out there?
Speaker 2:Is he not? Am I am, I am I tripping? I just feel like he gets a bunch of one year, two year deals and he's always out there and available until like the very end of the draft or right before training camp or something like he. But again, with the Ravens, what you don't have to do a lot because the defense is just very solid. Again, blackman, justin Simmons out there. Curtis Samuel he's only 28, good receiver, he played good for Washington. He's got Trent. You got Trent Brown out there. Dj reader, I Know you gonna say something about this. No, I will. Jonah Williams he's young, though 26,. But and last but not least, I mean Kaleas Campbell he's 38, but I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I mean one year, if you just need like to say a rotational guy, which he was in Atlanta.
Speaker 4:The biggest name on there, to be honest with you, is Eric Armstead.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised he's still out there too, especially with all these DT's getting a lot of money.
Speaker 4:Um, I don't. I don't think, I don't know if he's gonna return back to San Francisco Just based off of the fact that he didn't get the contract or contract extension that he wanted. So I see him going somewhere else on a one-year deal probably.
Speaker 2:But when you look at, when you look at the Niners though, you look at who they I mean eventually is gonna catch up. You got Brock Purdy in your peripheral, you got, you gotta keep some money set aside for that. But then when you got Bosa Warner Uh, the safety, I can't, I forgot his last name. Um, he was hurt this year. But you know, I mean you paying these guys, then, dibo, you gonna have to pay a U you gonna. You know, I mean, and McKenzie, that's, I'm saying like you got, you got a lot of, you got a lot of money. Just, you got a lot of money, a lot of big money to spread out. So Then some of these guys are like in the top at their position. So, with him being a good DT, where you could probably draft the DT to fill that spot, I Don't, I don't see that being a Big, not a big resign. He can go somewhere else and, like you said, possibly get his money and they still got hardware yeah yeah, that's right, thank you.
Speaker 2:Yes, they got they signed. Yeah, so I think they okay. But again, I think I mean chase young somebody Again, like a young guy who, still developing, who you could probably get some production out of. Wasn't quite productive for the Niners last year, but I mean I think he's still a threat if you put him opposite of somebody. That's Really good. Like I said, kevin really just sitting out there like he must really want to go back to the Jacksonville Jaguars because Everybody can use a Calvin. Really he showed out. He really showed out last year. And I just think back to the coach game against us. Like he killed us Kilt us. Like I think he had three against us, three TDs game, the first game.
Speaker 4:So he was definitely ballin, but it's like, yeah, I don't see him going back to Jacksonville because I don't see them.
Speaker 2:He won't you gotta give him 30 million. I think he's a 30 million, a 30 million a year receiver. I think he showed that last year. Oh, put him up against another who his number. Put his numbers up against another 30 million dollar receiver.
Speaker 4:So you say he's a top five receiver?
Speaker 2:I think last year he was no, maybe against us. Look is look, look at his numbers, and we'll talk about this next week.
Speaker 4:He's not a top receiver, okay, so the front, let's okay. Hold on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jefferson, okay okay, who else you got that's three okay.
Speaker 4:That's four. Okay, who else? So you said, come on, you say he better this, you need one.
Speaker 2:Come on, I put him right, I put them right. I will put him in that conversation with all five of them.
Speaker 3:Well, he has 76 catches just barely over a thousand yards and eight CDs.
Speaker 2:For Jackson with nobody around him. No, I'm just saying, I'm just that name. Number two receiver on Jacksonville. That means and look at his numbers for what they paid for Christian Kirk but still shit.
Speaker 3:That's what.
Speaker 2:Watch, watch it watch this year. Okay, so what did we just pay, michael Pittman? Put pitman numbers up against against. Uh really, oh. We ain't talking about that. We talking about receiver.
Speaker 4:Or so you, so you saying Cabin, really will be able to put up them same type of numbers with the same type of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:Was he not ballin in Atlanta? With who?
Speaker 4:Matt Ryan. Then he wanted to sit there and Don't Don't wait.
Speaker 2:So you okay with Matt.
Speaker 4:Ryan, matt Ryan, when he was in Atlanta. Matt when he was with Indianapolis Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:This man said Kavern really is a top-file driver.
Speaker 2:I want to sell whatever you're smoking right now.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:Watch If he doesn't end up back in Jacksonville. Watch what happens, Even if he does.
Speaker 4:If he's a top-file driver, see, but why is he still on the market?
Speaker 2:Because he want that money.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's going to get it Not the money you're talking about. He's definitely not getting 30 million.
Speaker 2:I just look at it, I look at like I look at like, if Pittman get it for pretty much the same numbers with less touchdowns, pittman didn't get 100 million, bro. No, I'm not talking about 100 million, I'm talking about this. He got 75 million for three years, 71. 71 with incentives. Okay, so you're saying Kavern really is not worth that?
Speaker 3:I personally think the Culles over pay for Michael Pittman, but that's not really my argument Nah, he got-.
Speaker 4:Now, he deserved that, just based off of-.
Speaker 2:One season.
Speaker 4:He's getting-, no, he's been getting 90 plus catches for the past three or four years. What you talking about, you know, and you got to think, who his quarterbacks have been Nick Foles, carson Wentz, jacobi Brasette, fucking, matt, ryan Gardner, metshu, sam Ellinger.
Speaker 2:Which is still on the roster. That's our current backup.
Speaker 4:He's getting 90 plus catches.
Speaker 2:Who else did you have to throw it to?
Speaker 4:I said the same thing with Ridley. If Ridley is dead type of dude, why is he still on the market?
Speaker 2:He's still on the market because people don't want to pay that money this early, when there's a lot of receivers coming up in the drain.
Speaker 4:No, you-. No, they want to pay that type of money this early.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, we'll see. Watch what he do this year I guarantee you have a better year.
Speaker 4:A better year. Okay, on a way to deal with who?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying wherever. I ain't even gonna put a stipulation on wherever he goes. I'm about to post this on Facebook Post it, post it, we go get in the fog. I guess we just had final thoughts Now. I got one Deep on whoever made that Kobe statue without him errors on it man, I can't believe I didn't say oh man, yeah, no man, that's crazy. And I didn't nobody noticed it.
Speaker 3:This is whatever this nigga was misspelled decisions in his right under decision. Like two of the guys they had, coaches did not play coaches decision and they had a spell right the first time and then, like they butchered it on, I'm like bro, the correct spelling is right above it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on the statue, bro, on the statue. Because what they did is they put players names like yeah, they put like some staff to like the box score.
Speaker 3:They put spell Jose Colorans name wrong. They spell Vaughn Waifers name wrong. They spelled decision wrong. I think it was one other.
Speaker 2:It was. For a Kobe statue that's supposed to be representing him, and when he scored 81. Defund that, nigga, whoever the fuck is the greatest day of probably Kobe's career. This is. This is the statue you mess up.
Speaker 4:Wow, nobody proof free stuff these days, apparently not.
Speaker 2:And people were saying it wasn't like that Great of a statue, like people that wasn't really rocking with it anyway. So, compared to you looking like a Jordan statue or like these other yeah, like you look at these other great players that D ways that like you look at these other statues like I like the statue.
Speaker 3:Ever, though, like that's just hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Jordan.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, it's just hard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so actually fucking looks like them.
Speaker 2:And you got think this is made a while ago. Like that Jordan statue is oldest dirt.
Speaker 3:The statue look like his name is spelled C L B wire something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I'm, I agree, I agree, I had to agree with that, with that final statement. That's a definitely qualifies for defund. Oh yeah, ripper, just a professional defender. He's quick to define something. Yeah, I'll get somebody out of here real quick Any final thoughts? David man.
Speaker 5:Man well, the Sixters man. They look pretty bad right now. 30 balls by the, by the Knicks.
Speaker 3:And they didn't beat by 30. I was watching this game. I need to turn it back.
Speaker 2:That's nuts, so but this is what knowing beat, though, right yeah that's what I'm saying it's kind of kind of tough right now man. That is. That is just what?
Speaker 4:just to think that didn't the pistons and the Knicks have a 79 73 game the other night?
Speaker 5:Yeah, they did. I mean that dude, I mean it was terrible, why. I think it was like had a 90s game.
Speaker 2:That's a 90 score 1993 score boy. Okay, okay, bring it back. Then bring it back. They don't have to throw it into the polls. Who's posted up?
Speaker 5:Oh basketball.
Speaker 2:And that's high scoring. That's 20 points a quarter was considered high scoring back then, and now teams are putting up 80 in the first half.
Speaker 4:Right 80.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, man, we we've. This is our first episode back, so I knew it was gonna be a little longer, especially with everything going on. Free agency man, I just appreciate you all being here. Man, thanks for joining us. Boom, we'll have you on as much as possible in the future.
Speaker 5:Prayer to our God man. That's normal Isaac man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, ike and Justin too. Man, we forget about Justin too. Hopefully life calm down for them too. When we can get everybody on, man have just like this mega show man when it's like five, six of us, man, that'd be dope. Next week I'm gonna try to get crossroads sports on here so we can talk a little college basketball. See who we should be looking at in the brackets, these conference championship tournaments, all that good stuff that's going on right now.
Speaker 5:One thing too, man women's basketball. It's turning up boy, they, they, you know them, girls, they be really want that. So I'm excited to see South Carolina LSU again.
Speaker 2:And they're bumping.
Speaker 4:I ain't gonna lie, man. Women's basketball the women's college basketball is probably. They'll probably have more viewers this year than me, I agree.
Speaker 2:And just think, I just think about the future and like what that going to translate into the WNBA man, like hopefully it pushes that brand up some more and it brings some more eyes to that, especially with, I mean, caitlin Clark coming out this year. This gonna be on the fever possible. She will be on the fever.
Speaker 5:It's just more passionate now, man, these girls can hoot bro, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they spread the floor, they shooting more, they better shooters like I mean now, they like then what it was back in the day, of course, when the league first started in what? 2000 and 2000, I think, 2001, something like that.
Speaker 4:Like, like 90s, I'm gonna say like 97 was a nice Okay, so like started.
Speaker 2:Then, like you know, with the game changing, I think they starting to catch up with the play style to me and a lot of running gun and yeah, it's, yeah, it's definitely exciting. So definitely looking forward to that. I'm trying to get a ticket to the pace fever game and I've seen those Caitlin Clark prices.
Speaker 4:No, these prices.
Speaker 2:I was like for her first game against I think it's the New York Liberty bro.
Speaker 4:That game like to sit.
Speaker 2:To sit court side was like 1500. Yeah, I was like I can't do that, grannie, I would love to. I just can't do it, it's hard.
Speaker 4:This year boys NBA.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it probably gonna be that way the whole year, like they still playing backers, life or yeah, they still playing.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I thought they had moved.
Speaker 2:They're about to because they're building a new. I think they supposed to be building a new facility and fishers and they're supposed to be moving out there or noblesville, I think but I haven't heard that.
Speaker 3:but they had moved while the bankers life or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2:There was getting renovated gang breach. Oh, definitely now With the prices they can charge. When they can charge, pay surprises for for the fever over the summer, definitely.
Speaker 4:They definitely not moving nowhere and let click.
Speaker 2:Don't let, don't let Clark win like rookie of the year or something you know. I mean we already got Boston to let them go crazy.
Speaker 4:It's about. It's about to be honestly man. This summer, fall is about to be crazy. Indianapolis.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 4:I agree a million percent with the fever and then you got the coach coming back up and then you turning around, you having a paces coming back, I mean it's go, it's gonna be quite a time I ain't seen a time like this in the city for a while. You ain't you probably ever seen this type of buzz buzz like since maybe painting in Tamika catchings. When the coach was was nice, and then the pastors went to the finals and then they had them good teams before Malice at the Palace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, man. Well, that's it, man. This has been the epic podcast, man. We see you again next week, man.
Speaker 4:Bye, bye.