E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
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E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
S2: Episode 43: NBA and NFL Insights: Lakers' Triumph, Green's Suspension, and Playoff Prospects
Ready to be in the center of the sports world? We're taking you on a riveting journey through the thrilling realm of NBA and NFL. We're kicking things off with a detailed walk-through of the In-Season tournament, where the Lakers emerged victorious, and LeBron James was crowned the MVP. We also delve into the indefinite suspension of Draymond Green, offering speculation on possible reasons and duration. College football bowls and power rankings in the grown man league also have their fair share of the spotlight in our chat.
As we shift gears to the NFL, the focus is on the power rankings of the top teams. With a critical lens, we discuss the recent performances of the Philadelphia Eagles, the Miami Dolphins' position in the division, and the Buffalo Bills' chances of winning the division. The rollercoaster season of the Detroit Lions isn't left out, and we explore their playoff prospects. We also offer analysis of Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Buffalo's quarterback situations and throw in some thoughts on our own teams—the 49ers and the Colts.
Wrapping up our insightful dialogue, we dive head-first into playoff scenarios, division standings, and team performances in the NFL. We assess the chances of the Cowboys, Eagles, Vikings, Rams, Seahawks, and Falcons, and entertain debates on how Aaron Rodgers may impact the Colts' record and Matthew Stafford's reliability as the Lions' quarterback. Feel the tension rise as we make our predictions for the upcoming week's NFL games. Lastly, we evaluate the performances of legendary coaches Bill Belichick and Gregg Popovich, discussing their possible performance decline and the idea of separating the coaching and GM roles. Buckle up, sports enthusiasts. This is one sports ride you wouldn't want to miss!
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Speaker 2:Welcome back. Welcome back I got the wrong screen up, of course to another episode of the Epic Podcast. It's in the house, it's just me and Jared. Right now Justin's still doing work and now Ike's doing work also, so they both tied up at work. I'm sure Justin will be in the comments, though, feel free to interact with him, and Isaac should be on a little later, so we'll see. If not, I'm sure he'll join in the comments also, man, but how was your sports weekend, man?
Speaker 3:Ah man, pretty good shit.
Speaker 2:Always good to hear coming from you when you say pretty good.
Speaker 3:I mean, can you ask for better? Really, the Bron got the dub, bingo's got the big dub man shit, yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds like different.
Speaker 2:Me on opposite hand, pacers loss Copes loss.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry that that quote had to To the other two teams. That's how I feel. I ain't that guy, but I know, I know you know fall that way, but it's all good, plenty of games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's supposed to happen like that. Okay, I had to check. We streamed live on Instagram, so it may look weird on Instagram because you know they do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do a portrait. I haven't set the scene up for portrait yet, but I will try to find something that looks appealing. Flacking my brother. Well, it's kind of difficult to have landscape in something to show in landscape and portrait. So we'll figure it out, though, by next week. But yeah, man, let's jump into it. Man, we gonna kick this thing off with the N-Season tournament. Man, talk a little NBA man. Like you said, lakers beat the Pacers 123 to 109,. Lebron wins the first N-Season tournament MVP, which I believe he deserved throughout the whole tournament. You know, lakers didn't lose and he was the most consistent, you know, even though Anthony Davis in the final game was great, but I think the MVP is for the whole tournament. So I think LeBron was probably the most consistent, definitely on the Lakers. Nonetheless.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it ain't matter that Initially I'm like aw, ad got this MVP sold up, but then afterwards they said aw, that's for the whole tournament. Ah, that kind of changes some things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and that's what I thought too. I'm like man that AD about to take the MVP award, the first one for LeBron right man aw, but you ooh people was ready for that, though.
Speaker 3:Man, they would have been back man, that would have been something. Oh my God, they would have been high. That would have been something, had they. You know, aw man.
Speaker 2:But I heard Silverman like precisely he said For the whole tournament and when he said that I was okay. Okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah now. But other NBA news, man, I didn't put a banner up for it, but you brought it to my attention. Man Dremyne, they just announced it. It just literally popped up on my phone and you just told me Suspended indefinitely. So that's the rest of the season.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no. That don't necessarily mean the rest of the season. That just means that we ain't got no number for it yet. So it could be 10 games, could be 15, Could be the rest of the season.
Speaker 2:I've never seen it, definitely. And then they put a, put like a number behind it, because, like, usually they give you a number, like I think, about the Pacers abroad, because that was like probably the craziest amount of like Suspensions and you know a situation like that there was no indefinite, they were just putting out, they just threw out a number. It took them a long time to figure it out, but they start throwing out numbers and you're right, it may not be rest of the season, but it's probably gonna be a long time.
Speaker 3:I doubt it's the rest of the season. I think, John Morant, the first time he got suspended he was out indefinitely until they came. I just think. I just don't think that they.
Speaker 2:But I think that was like pending an investigation Because they wanted to make it to the rest of the season this is.
Speaker 3:They probably want to interview some guys. They probably want to interview the rest To see if anything was said between him and Nerkich before. They probably want to talk to Nerkich. They probably want to talk to the bench Because you know, warriors bench was right there. It just I don't. I mean I don't. How do you? What do you put on it? After 24 hours? I look at it. That's kind of true.
Speaker 2:I can't even tell you what that even was. I think he's done more egregious things to people and that is suspended for multiple games.
Speaker 3:They stack on top of each other too, like that's true.
Speaker 1:Well behavior.
Speaker 3:When you decided on behavior, you gotta take into consideration History, the past. Yeah, you have to. I mean, you know, obviously, when you're given MVP award, you can say, oh well, last season he did XYZ, now that's just. But when you're, when you're disciplining, you have to do that Based on prior history and his history just this year alone. He's wild.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah good time Last year, in the prior come on, man, Like you've already choked a guy. That was just OC, OC, like it was literally unnecessary. You didn't do anything, you didn't deescalate anything At all, and that was what three, three, four weeks ago. Was it even that long, yeah?
Speaker 2:it was a couple weeks ago. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:It was last month sometime, and then you punched this guy and it's like it made it worse. I think I didn't mean to do it. What were you trying to do then? Yeah, Sell a foul, sell a foul. You ripped your hands up maybe, but you don't just 80s hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not a 360 either. Like yeah, that's nuts. Yeah like you pull your arm. You may yank your arm away, but like to do a full 360, like you don't have to do all that.
Speaker 2:It's extra. So yeah, I guess we'll wait and see how that pan out as far as the time. But I look at like somebody like John Moran and what he got. You know what I mean with multiple offenses and we're talking about firearms and inappropriate you know Social media use. You think about Ron Artes and what he went through. Even he liked somebody like Rashid Wallace, you know what I mean, who was just one of those guys and he was intentional. If Rashid came after you, he was intentional, he didn't really care. So I just look at that and then you put Draymond up with it and, yeah, I don't know it's gonna be tough, though I think they may try to make an example out of him, just cause, like you said, of his history, and be like alright, look, we've let you slide with one game, two games, three games here, like we're gonna give you double digit games. You know what I mean. Kinda, sit you down, let you reassess and then go back at it.
Speaker 3:I think that I don't even know. I mean, I'm not even quite sure it would be considered making an example, cause nobody's nearly even a tenth of his wildest Draymond is.
Speaker 1:Like at this point.
Speaker 3:Like, but I mean also, I mean All here, like making an example is not even real because nobody's even like yeah. But I think making an example.
Speaker 2:When I say making an example, I'm thinking in a way of like, um, hey, look, we ain't tolerant. We're making an example out of him in a way to like for him, not like, or like other people who are, you know, in the same area as him. Look, we're, as a league, gonna make an example out of him to show Everybody that we're not tolerating his behavior. We're not just gonna let this go, because Draymond is Draymond and whenever something like this happens, that's his, you know his go-to. Hey, this is me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna put this is how I play basketball. This is how I am. Anybody who knows me know that I don't mean no harm, I just play hard. I feel like that's his go-to and the NBA has kinda accepted that. But if you talk to these guys and, like you know, of course, you go on the internet, they're showing. You know all the clips of all the random plays that happen with him in interactions. You know, from kicks in the nuts to elbows to the head to. You know all the random stuff to step on and all these things that's happened.
Speaker 2:Um, it's kinda like, if this is you, then what message are we sending to the? You know other players, or you know younger players, or you know these guys that may be borderline, right, you know. So, um, I say, yeah, make an example out of him for him and kinda show that, like you know, we're not that league anymore how it used to be. We're not that league and we're not going back to that and that's not the type of uh Uh persona we want to put out there, you know, as a league we just don't wanna do it, uh, but yeah, oh, we got comments.
Speaker 2:Uh, ike said Jai was suspended indefinitely. Okay, he said, uh, she's rep was because he went after refs, not play. That's true too. Uh, that guy said Rashid really didn't care. You're absolutely right, ike. Um, yeah, rashid was that guy. He didn't care, he didn't care If he was players, refs, coaches, um, you even look at a guy like Luttrell Spreewell, who was like one of them borderline guys, um, better than Draymine, but borderline as far as his uh activity. Oh, we got Ike in here, we got him in there. Let's, let's get him in here. Can you hear his? Like you there, you're there. Uh, you're fired. I'm fired from the comment. Hey man, look man, it's hard to manage everything.
Speaker 4:Man, I appreciate you coming back and you know handling things for us, man, I don't know if you can't just break there in your face and you just man I know, I know this is.
Speaker 2:I'm a horrible human, but uh, what do you gotta say about the Draymine thing, man? What do you think?
Speaker 4:Uh, look, man, I got a question for y'all right, so I'm sure you've accidentally hit somebody right. Yes, in life at one point, how did? You react to that?
Speaker 2:Um, kind of empathetically, like I apologize, like my bad, like I didn't mean to do it, I immediately went over to the person. Yes, I immediately went over to the person and said, hey, man, my bad, you cool. Like that's just what happens when.
Speaker 4:Did you stand over this nigga?
Speaker 3:like you just tombstone him, like you just put it in the peepin elbow and you also, and I also pulled back as soon as I felt the kind fall through with it.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying? Like he's, he's terrible and it's really. It makes it worse that he's trying to lie about it and he's trying to. He for some reason he just has to have this tough guy mentality and I'm understanding. Well, do you think I've ever apologized in the past? Draymine, you're a fucking idiot like so. To me that doesn't even say anything Like just stop stop lying. You clearly, you clearly hit the down purpose and you fall through. You didn't, like you said, you stood over him like he, you know, pal driving or something. You didn't help him up, you didn't check on him, you didn't do any of that, like you, clearly hit him and you deserve.
Speaker 4:You can say a word to him at all, bro.
Speaker 2:You deserve.
Speaker 3:You deserve whatever comes your way, sir, and more. It is what it is.
Speaker 4:And the apology. It was piss poor, right? Yeah you such apology would. I will never apologize, but I'ma say sorry.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, sorry, you didn't say I'll get traded.
Speaker 4:All you knew you was about to get the suspension.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not saying.
Speaker 4:I think he knows, don't be a tragic ease the book.
Speaker 3:I've never seen somebody apologize by trying to make themself feel hard like what. What true to that's? That's ridiculous he's ridiculous. His game, his skill level, is ridiculous. His on-play statistical production is ridiculous. Get him out of here, yeah.
Speaker 4:What do you say was the epitome of sorry? Not sorry.
Speaker 2:Yes and I think, and you look at, go to state right now not performing well just as a team, for what you pay, draymine, you can bring in a third player to do what he does in my life, what he does and more. There's plenty of them out there. Hustle guys, you know what I mean. That Two corner threes, and you know I mean doesn't send, I can handle the ball like you can find a small forward to do that, you know, if necessary. So I agree, all right, uh, moving right along then About to beat me. So Like, first off, he just hates the names of the random bones. So I kind of, when I was putting this together, I was thinking about him the whole time, because one time on our show when it was me and him, uh, I did this, he went like like Super happy, like bro, like this don't matter.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 4:I don't Show me the goddamn. I suck my thumb bowl, oh.
Speaker 3:That's the craziest one ever, because the sponsors, bro.
Speaker 2:Like they can make it's extremely cheap, from what I heard, to get your name on the bow as a sponsor, uh so you got all cast bowl coming soon. Man, man, I don't know, I don't know, be great publicity.
Speaker 4:We gotta have as much money as some of these cast bro man, somewhere, somewhere.
Speaker 2:Uh, so you got the Myrtle Beach Bowl. And this is just this week, so up until tuesday. Uh, you got the Myrtle Beach Bowl. Cricket bro. New Orleans bow. Mexico, mexico cure bow uh, it's your leaders. The new Mexico bow. You got the la bow. The independence bow Uh, famous toastery bow have no idea what that is in the frisco bow.
Speaker 2:So these are all these random bows. It's gonna be this week Um, no real top teams playing. You got ucla and boise state, that's the la bow. You got texas tech and cow and the independence bow. Um but as I'm looking, I mean howard and florida. Annm. That's a celebration. Bow, mccoby say soft.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't, I don't yeah I'm just trying to see western katucky, old dominion, that's the toastery bow. Uh, miami of ohio and appellation state, that's the uh mexico cure bow. Oh my god, that's what I'm saying. This is like there's nobody there. Like I said, if anything, you go see the howard and florida annm. Um, it ain't watching.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying, I'm just saying the game like yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:If anything, and far as star power, maybe the ucla boise state, that's probably the best one Out of all these. Yeah, the rest of them are just yeah tough, yeah not watching any of them.
Speaker 3:They actually said you fun these bow games, I mean they don't all about it.
Speaker 1:I love a lot of them.
Speaker 3:They don't, they don't make much sense to me. Uh, I'm with you. Need to go ahead and get. Get rid of them. I'm with you. I'm with you. I want though.
Speaker 4:No, that won't celebration bow I'm cool with because it's not about the game.
Speaker 1:I got yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4:But look, man, we're looking at the toasty. Those dip the chip bow like bro. Why'd you bring these on?
Speaker 2:I just, I just had to do it, I just had to say something college for me, something I would even say the top two teams to play in the boat me.
Speaker 3:You don't need 50 bow games like come on yeah, I'm not yeah like make like 10. You know, I mean in like, with the playoffs coming up, you've got a chance to name all those. But I would just have the playoffs now, maybe have like 10 bow games outside of the playoffs.
Speaker 2:That's, that's oh, it gets worse. It gets worse next week. Don't worry, I'm gonna do this again. I know you guys hate it. Yeah that's your funny balls, let's keep you.
Speaker 2:All right, uh, let's jump into the grown man league. We will have a lot more to talk about. Um, let's start off with the power rankings before we go anywhere else. A lot of things don't change. Man outside of san francisco still being number one and, uh, baltimore being number. Uh, well, baltimore did move up. Uh, so we got san franc at one. That only team so far is clutch your playoff spot. You got Baltimore at two. Now let's move up into the top three. Dallas been hanging around Five, six, seven most of the season. So they jump up into the top three with their win over Philly. Philly just drops down one to four.
Speaker 3:Uh, hey, it's looking spooky for Philly.
Speaker 2:Hey, somebody's been trying to Say you, you, you have been saying you have been saying.
Speaker 3:I'm still not saying that Philly's trash, like some people miss. No what I was saying for trying to discredit them, I'm not just talking about the schedule and who they.
Speaker 3:Just saying I would like to see them to play some of the best teams in the league. Now they have they're still two and three. They they beat some. They have been some good teams. Well, I'm just saying I just want to see what they were talking about. You know, against some of the league's best, and now we're starting to see, and these black past two games haven't really even been close.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I also think, I think, I think the league to itself is a lot closer Um Once we talk about the playoffs later on, like the, the rankings, like we'll see of course. But um, yeah, now Philly, have they? They've been taking on the chin the past two weeks, uh, from San Fran, which they were old that, and then Dallas, which they kind of old that too, because they've been on in Dallas the past couple years too. So you know, dallas kind of getting their look back, um, my first game, the Dallas came down to the nitty gritty.
Speaker 3:So what, that was just a wash yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was still close, but Dallas just been coming down the wrong end of that just period. You know I mean far even playoff position. You know Philly's kind of been dominant here lately, which Dallas ain't really did none in 35 years, but Whatever.
Speaker 4:The easier schedule to finish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how about to say, yeah, the fish is up right here, yeah, they do.
Speaker 3:They definitely should easily win their last four. I think they played a giants twice.
Speaker 2:Which may not be a pushover now, as we've seen from last night. Yeah, they've got green fables going. You know, I mean green babe was playing good ball, like Jordan, and they were playing real good and you know you run into a bus off the New York Giants to the Giants, but anything happened, clearly.
Speaker 4:So the thing I would say about that game is the Giants have been better on the ground, which is not Philly's weakness like the team. I mean we busted Philly Dallas was really. It was in the air. So the Giants still can't pass the ball this year, so that that still works in their favor.
Speaker 2:I mean they should be with a rookie quarterback, or third rookie could have quarterback relatively easy.
Speaker 4:The Giants unless. I mean any give it Sunday, but I don't necessarily see them losing to the Giants.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I said, I mean like now, though, like with the way the NFL has been the gym, I'm just gonna say anything on the home. The way it's been this year has been super weird. Like you look at a KC teams, you know. Speaking of rank six, now you know I mean we're from one to two to four to now six.
Speaker 3:It's like they're just they just a game above.
Speaker 2:You are teaming my team and your team verny. They're barely hanging on. You know what I mean. Um, granted, there's a lot to go into that too. With blown calls, we could like three games. Is um blown calls in the fourth quarter at the end Of the game, that could have possibly decided those games. And then a bunch of drop balls. Like you know, I mean young receivers being young receivers.
Speaker 2:Um, so you know you can go down that. You know that rabbit hole with them. Miami what do we think about Miami? They're at five. They're right there in the middle of the top team.
Speaker 3:They don't really have any good wins against good teams either.
Speaker 2:Okay, and they've got a tough schedule as well and they, just, they just lost to uh to the titans. Bro, that's nasty.
Speaker 3:And they were up.
Speaker 4:Pretty good. It's left by two seconds they were up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first team ever to lose a game being up 14, with that much time left.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm looking at their schedule. Their best win is the charges, the first.
Speaker 2:Charges early in the season.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. Well, I guess now, with everything considered their best win, yeah that's, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2:At this point it would have been the, the Broncos, but like In the grand scope of everything, like you know, but if they played the Broncos next week, they're not putting up 70 and there's no guarantee that they're even gonna win or win.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because that Bronco team is these guys haven't been any dirt wins are as follows chargers Uh, patriots, broncos, giants, cardinals, patriots again los vegas, jets Washington and that's it. Yeah, I mean, they haven't even beat a uh on the Verge team. Yeah, denver, but at that point in the season they wasn't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:At that point that was we.
Speaker 4:On top of that, they could give up the division some bills.
Speaker 1:Very much.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. But speaking of the bills, Do the bills deserve the division week?
Speaker 3:No, the dolphins, they're, probably they're at this point in the season. They're probably equally as bad. The let me. Let me just say this, since I got the dolphins still pulled up the dolphins play the jets next which they in the season, home against the cowboys, at the Ravens home against the Buffalo bills. It might get a little spooky for the, for the, for the dolphins, for real they lose those three, which they have a very good chance of losing. They looking at what 10 and seven and what is.
Speaker 2:How about say they need three of?
Speaker 3:those they're not getting. Three, let's say they need three.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they go get three, but they need three. In the afc, especially as close as a damn man. We're gonna move on with these power rakers. We're gonna talk about this though.
Speaker 3:The bills got. The bills got Dallas at the Chargers, uh, new england and then, uh, miami. So I can definitely see that coming down to that, to that miami dad, last game.
Speaker 2:Yep, okay, team matchup yes.
Speaker 3:We got detroit at seven.
Speaker 2:What do we think about detroit man? They was rolling early. They kind of been a roller coaster here lately.
Speaker 3:No, I did.
Speaker 2:No, I did, what about?
Speaker 4:NFC north.
Speaker 2:Any like anything.
Speaker 3:I think, I think, uh, detroit still has that division. I mean, I I can't see that changing much. But as far as this powerhouse that everybody considered the lions earlier on in season, which they were, you know, yeah, they were playing like they're on the way to a first round exit. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 4:I don't know if there's anybody in the playoffs, in the playoffs sitting right now, playoff in today. I don't know who they would play, but I don't care. I think they would lose to Every team. That's a current player, that's a current. Every team is a current player in the center. It's trending upwards and yeah, or.
Speaker 3:Because what if you end up having to play a Cowboys round one, or uh, uh, obviously y'all probably gonna get the buy. So I'm not gonna mention the 49ers, but if you have to play a cowboys in the first round or if you have to play a eagles in the first round, yeah, yeah, this is out of there in my estimation.
Speaker 2:But you know I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again, but yes, and to round up the top 10, we got Cleveland at eight, jacksonville at nine and Buffalo at ten. Not mad about any of those. Definitely not sold on any of them, those three, because we got quarterback issues. Really well, self Jacksonville, josh Allen, probably been as the most consistent, inconsistent. And then course, joe flacko. Or we really putting any weight on Joe flacko, especially with the north as close as it is and competitive as it is?
Speaker 4:Here's a thing about flacko he has absolutely no pressure. No pressure, he is not required to perform well, like he's just there, and that's what makes flacko Dangers. Like I, I bet flacko would get two touchdowns last week. It was an easy bet because he has no pressure. Like he's not Expected to lead that team to victory, he's expected to make the passes and Relounded defense. Now, when he was kind of falling off like he was like oh, flacko, supposed to be good. When you go in, you ain't got no pressure on you. It makes the game a lot easier, so right until somebody starts like to put pressure on him.
Speaker 4:I see I'm up on Clear at this point because he has the defensive back. Look, okay, hey, so he got. Do is just not fuck up.
Speaker 2:Hey, that makes a million percent.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:So let's talk our shit then real quick, man. Of course I ain't got shit to talk, but Niners jacket of Important win over the Seahawks. Man, anything take away from that game, man, yeah.
Speaker 4:Playoffs, that's all that matter to me.
Speaker 1:We clenched like we in there.
Speaker 4:There's nothing nobody can do at this point. I did nobody expected us to lose, although I do have to give it to Julia, he looked Really well for most of the game. Did I expect him to win? At no point? No, but. But Where's Justin? That man I need, I need to be back over here, is all that? See how so they not even second in a division.
Speaker 2:for the record yeah, that's right, right now, behind the.
Speaker 4:Rams yeah, so Okay you watching this, justin, thanks for that. I sit that motivation to the team be one of the bullets board. Okay, appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 2:And then, man, we we got, we got trampled by the bingles. We couldn't do none right and they couldn't do nothing wrong.
Speaker 3:That's nuts as fuck. I don't know how I've watching that game. I'm just like. We can do one else touch down was a pick six to like, so we hadn't done that stupid shit, like we couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 2:Oh, that could have been crazy, man. It's no, no deep shots. We couldn't take no shots down the field.
Speaker 3:Nobody can get vertical, nobody can get separation and we cheeks if you can't get vertical against the bangles, that's, that's troubling.
Speaker 4:Where we.
Speaker 2:We have. But you know what. There are moments like I would agree with you, but there has been moments in critical games and critical situations where you and it's crazy, it's been Alec Pierce, of all people making the clutch catches a Vertical or you know, I mean a go round or a fade like we couldn't get none of that. Michael Pittman I don't know why he was targeting a Michael Pittman of all people going vertical, he's probably one of the slowest receivers that we have. He has the best hands but he's the slowest and it was just like no separation on on the go routes with him. I don't know, man, we couldn't get none going. Man, it was just a horrible day. Defense to like defense just looked tired. Y'all deserve it like 34 to 14.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, yes, again another one no pressure, there's no pressure like that, like everybody you can hear, you can hear it in Jerry voice. Everybody, once barrel went down the bingles, fans were like okay, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna mail this one in whatever happens before he went down.
Speaker 3:But it kind of like some people, like Something that they say happens actually comes to fruition, which I've been hearing me talk about chase Brown all year. Right, I'm back up, running back to happen and getting a play. Right, he finally gets some touches and he's calling like yeah.
Speaker 3:It's not. Like. I don't understand why the bingles just think everything is so hard. Like it's not. That's not a bounce. Oh, that's not a hard concept. You draft the guy fucking plan like what are you doing? I agree, and it's like Mix is clearly not that right now here, looking like Joe.
Speaker 3:Burrow light man, like I don't know, maybe one of these days will figure it out, maybe not, but I Mean a little old Jared got it right again like play. I know he's been banged up, but he was a. He wasn't banged up to start the season and you know, when we were up in Cleveland getting like a Grand total of a hundred yards the first weekend, he could have been getting some touches but we decided not to and we got. We got. So Play the rookie. You draft him for a reason. Play him. And he's been ballin. Jake Brown has been ballin, chase Brown has been ballin play him.
Speaker 2:He can't argue with that, and didn't the Ravens man? They want a dog fight against the rounds man. Four quarter punt return like crazy, and I think that's his fourth. They hit the fourth time he's done that oh.
Speaker 4:Punt return.
Speaker 2:I think I think that's only the fourth time that a punt return has been returned in the fourth quarter to win a game.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry not him.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I didn't mean him. That's only the fourth time in like NFL history that's happened.
Speaker 3:They've been winning man, but they ain't been pretty but you know what, though?
Speaker 2:like they're winning the right way at the right time of the season, because you can win those hard closed games now, like that prepares you for the playoffs, because the game's chances are gonna be Competitive? I should. That's only, but the only three games they lost.
Speaker 3:They were up in the fourth quarter to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you gotta take that, that's been, but there's been a Ravens all year. The Ravens haven't been closing out games, not offensively or defensively.
Speaker 1:They have not been closing out games.
Speaker 2:And then this one, like you said, on a special teams, like I don't say get lucky, but you know, because he's a great returner. But yeah, for that to be the way it in, you got to figure out how to close games. That's quarter in the NFL. So but they have to worry about that in the FC, like who?
Speaker 4:who would have to worry about that against the FC right now? Oh yes, oh yes, FC. Who are you about doing that again?
Speaker 2:I mean right now, I mean it's first off. You don't know who you're gonna play.
Speaker 4:Let's just start there. I'm saying it doesn't matter who they're gonna play, because I don't think there's anybody in the FC that they have to worry about. Like, if we don't close the game, we're gonna lose, like the, the chiefs are gonna lose it themselves. They've shown that in the last couple weeks or they're just not gonna be able to catch the ball. Uh, who else would they put this right? Let's, let's bring it. Let's just bring it up. Let's go ahead and just let's get on this right now. Who would they be concerned about?
Speaker 2:So right now you got the Ravens has the number one C, you got dolphins Number two, you got chiefs number three, that's if they started today jaguar, jaguar, jaguars, they, they usually don't relinquish leads.
Speaker 2:Uh, the Browns have the defense to hold the lead, but do they have the offense to get one? Um, steelers, not worried about them, coats We've. We actually came back and beat them in OT, but again, like we have to get a humongous lead, which our offense is a clicking right now. Um, the Texans possibly if they get in Broncos. Who knows Bingles and bills? Again, who knows Um bingles good at blowing lead? I'm not the bingles, the bills are good at blowing leads anyway in the fourth quarter. They can't win fourth quarter games either. Uh, that showed in Philly, but no, I agree, it's not a lot of things they got to worry about. Um, like they they put that comes back in the fourth quarter. Um, so I agree with you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't see. I mean, honestly, the bills are playing better football than we're getting the credit for right now uh Are they gonna do that in the playoffs? I don't know, but I don't see them having to worry about anybody of that nature unless they play Honestly. I would just say either us or doubts are the only teams that I would say like you've, you've got to be able to put up the points and you can't relinquish or play bad in the third or fourth quarter because it's not gonna blow up for me.
Speaker 2:All right, jared, what do you think about the Ravens? Um, having, I ain't gonna say having problems, but struggling. Closing games in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3:Oh no, it's a little interesting, but I mean I don't think it's gonna In the grand scheme of things. I mean they're winning the games, um, but I I guess what we're here to do is analyze. So, from an anal anilision and a little cool, yeah, um, sorry, I gotta got it. I know you eat it. I'm out man.
Speaker 4:This is a rule my friend rule.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to take care of something.
Speaker 4:I'm bringing none for the class.
Speaker 3:I, I got some for y'all pause. I got some, but I mean they, they went in games and I don't think that that's gonna stop. Like I said, I mean I don't think there's anybody that's really challenging them in the in the conference. So I mean we'll see, okay, so we'll see that they'll be fine.
Speaker 2:Okay. So with this afc playoff picture, like as it is now, what do you, who do you see changing? Who do you see possibly Um outside of division leaders? Or do y'all see any division? First off, let's start there. Any division leaders y'all see changing between the ravens, dolphins, chiefs and jaguars?
Speaker 3:We already talked about that. Dolphins joint. I would say I already said, dolphins are our own watch, that's that might that might be the one we need to keep a look at.
Speaker 2:Okay that might be but you feel like the ravens chiefs and uh jaguars is safe.
Speaker 3:Uh, ravens, yes, chiefs, I think they're safer than with the record show, but yeah, dolphins. And what's one of my missing jaguars, jaguars.
Speaker 3:Yeah they actually got the most teams on the heels, though I think the coach and the texas again but the Texans Texans kind of fizzled out. I expected them to keep ascending like I don't know what sunday was. Yeah, that was crazy. But they've already well achieved the well above what we thought. So that could be positive in some senses. It can also be negative as well, especially when your team is young and you've already met and exceeded those expectations.
Speaker 2:You don't know if that's their, if that's their.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe that's kind of you know, and it all depends on who the rest of the opponents are too. So we'd have to really like look at who who Jacksonville got left against who the Texas got left, and then see what I mean the coach too like who the coach got left and see, you know what actually makes sense as far as who's going to win what Well you always know it's going to be some division games left.
Speaker 2:That's just as long as I, as long as there.
Speaker 3:I feel like, yeah, with there being division games left, I think everybody's schedule is set up to where the last one or two games is. You know, should I? I think our first three three years, three out of four was division games. That sucked, so we was behind the eight ball from the get go. But I think everybody, every team, ends with at least one or two division games at the end of season. So I mean it's it's definitely, it's getting interesting and like I'm looking forward to seeing how it unfolds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, because, like you said, I mean it'll be tough for the bingos to come in and take, or well, no, you got the Browns too. The Ravens will have to completely fall off the mat. Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4:For the.
Speaker 2:Browns. They had to lose out pretty much.
Speaker 4:They would lose out, and I think the only tough game they got is this yeah Well, if you want to get set up to Jacksonville, they got. So they have Jacksonville. That's Miami, pittsburgh. Jacksonville is the one of the we're going to be the toughest game. We already said we don't really think that they're going to beat Miami and I mean I don't see them losing against Pittsburgh, you know, at this point. So I don't, I don't necessarily see a scenario where anybody from the division will catch them If they win two.
Speaker 3:if they win two more games they clench.
Speaker 4:If I'm thinking about it they only need two of those four. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that makes sense. Um, yeah, I don't. I mean the Broncos. Like I said, the Broncos and the Chiefs are the closest right now. I mean Jaguars, coates and Texans. That's pretty close too, Uh, but with all I think them three all play each other in these final weeks, so it's going to be interesting, um, to see how that shakes out. Coates own the tiebreaker over Houston, though, uh, just because we beat them early in the season already, so so that may come down to points something weird, uh.
Speaker 2:So yeah but Jacksonville will beat us twice. So we would. Our record will have to be better than theirs in order to we can't all end with the same record, of course, but we will have to win out in order to get in. So, or to be the note that foresee so um, which I would be very happy about, especially with us losing our quarterback and just the way things have been, to win the division, like we didn't even think we, we weren't even thinking that was possible with our quarterback, to do it with a backup, and that's coming the long way, uh so hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 3:AR is taking some time. Some notes, man, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Hopefully he ain't just like chilling and relaxing Like I do. See you still out on the field at practice.
Speaker 2:And he has the headset on, uh, most of the games too. So, yeah, no, absolutely, um, that's important, absolutely, yeah, yeah, to hear the calls and to see how to play on foes, yeah, absolutely. Uh, let's jump over to the NFC man. Uh, of course, you know, niners has clinched, the only team to clinch right now, uh, you got Cowboys, lions and Bucks at the top four Cs right now, eagles at 10 and three is five, vikings at seven and six is six, packers is six and seven at seven and on the bubble, you've got the Rams at six and seven, the Seahawks at six and seven, the Falcons at six and seven and the Saints, uh, at six and seven.
Speaker 2:That's the only reason why I did 11 teams is because the 11 team was six and seven also, with all of them having the same record. Um, that can really come down. That can really change a lot of things at that six and seven spot, because everybody's within a game, um, outside of the Niners, of course. Like we said, who's already clinched? Cowboys, these Cowboys in the Eagles, I mean, with Cowboys already beating the Eagles, they would kind of have to lose out almost, or, you know, record would have to be worse than the Eagles for the Eagles to take that second spot or to win these.
Speaker 3:No shit finally.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just about that. I was about to ask the question like do you think, do you think the Eagles can pull it together and reclaim the division, or?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it's possible I don't know, yeah, I don't know that they need to be wearing double campo. It's not the toughest casual. I mean they've got to be.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm asking do you think they can?
Speaker 4:We're going to lose some bills. This week they got the Dolphins. After that, I mean the Dolphins can be a miss. But getting the Dolphins for the Dolphins are strong is kind of where the Cowboys are going to be, because their corners like to kind of jump. Yeah, you can't beat them deep.
Speaker 2:They're not a desperate corner.
Speaker 4:But they got the Lions after that, which depends on which Lions team show up, that's true, I mean. And then they got the Commanders in the season. I'm not at all worried about that for matters game, but those next three games are going to be crucial and they could lose two of them possibly, at least. I don't know who's on three. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be the blowouts that they've been having.
Speaker 2:No, no, they're tough, though they're definitely tough, and the commanders in themselves? They're going to just be playing tough anyway. They normally do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just a good thing.
Speaker 2:Lions. We believe the Lions is probably safe. Vikings at seven and six, lions at nine and four Lions have to completely fall off the map and I'm sure they got a couple of division games left.
Speaker 3:So I think the Vikings low key been coming up, man, didn't? They step just like over four or some shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some crazy, like they were horrible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they were horrible and beat us Thought that they were going to be worse. When cousins went down and made actually decision to bring in dogs, it's worked out for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, big time, big time. So I'm not angry at that at all or that they're coming up. That's definitely. I mean being number six. Right now. They're probably the safest seven and 16 to put your money on With. Even the Packers, like I said, they've been up and down. The Rams are surging right now too, but the Seahawks I think they're trending down the Falcons, who knows? They just lost to the Bucks and the Saints. They've been treading water all season. You don't know what they are either. So I think the Vikings is probably the safest. That seven is going to be up for grabs. I mean the Bucks, I mean that four. That's just horrible dog. Like, give it to the Eagles. Like, just give it to the Eagles. Like, even if they come up with a way to say hey, look, if they're within two or three guys, something man. But like this six and seven being four blows me bro.
Speaker 4:The Vikings got the Bengals and then three straight games. So I mean they could play their way in relatively easily and I think they'll get the Lions one game.
Speaker 2:I will not argue that, especially, like you said, the Lions on the back end of the season have been very inconsistent. So, like you said, what Lions are going to show up? They can very easily get one of them games, they can definitely get the pack. Who said the Packers or the Bears? They've got the.
Speaker 4:Packers Bengals Lions, packers Lions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely can, definitely can get the Packers. Packers are gettable. Like I said, that seven spot is probably the most vulnerable one in this playoff picture. Like I said, I mean with the Rams and the Seahawks being behind it, the Niners and their Clown for Scraps. I see probably one of them. If I had to bet on anybody, and it's probably the Rams, I pray. If I had to put a seven seed in there, I will say the Rams. Who y'all think?
Speaker 3:Man, the Rams making a playoff should be crazy, but I mean I guess it messed that for stays healthy and with Cup and oh Boy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean they've all physically been on fire. So I don't know if there's very many teams that they couldn't score enough points against and they only play us once. We've played them. So we need could technically win with three at a last four and be what? 10 and seven. I think nine and eight, yeah. So I mean, I think that might be enough to get them in. I don't know if I have enough confidence that any of the other teams are going to get to nine with the acceptance. Maybe the Vikings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. That's why I say I will keep the Vikings. The Vikings are probably the safest at six. Like you said, if they get one of those Lions games and beat the Packers, they're safe at six and, like the Rams, I believe that they can get seven. I don't think the Seahawks is trending in the right direction. The Falcons, if anything, they'll them in a buck, so fight it out, and I don't see the Saints overthrowing either one of those teams.
Speaker 3:Somebody says Stafford is a walk and turn over. I missed this earlier, but he's going to score.
Speaker 4:I'm giving you three interceptions, but he could also throw those three or four touchdowns on top of those same interceptions, and that's what makes them weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks. And he said I'm not sure the Coast record will be better with AR. My only thing with that is Um, and I'm not gonna say it could be better, because games will play out differently and the game plan will be different if you got a R in a versus. But also, look is, if we're looking at Everything being equal, some of those throws that Mention throw, or the time he sits in the pocket, a r is gonna take off. You know what I mean. So some of those negative plays I will say what a r would possibly be positive plays, granted, the playbook would be different and it wouldn't be playing the same, and you know that's what I'm saying. Well, all things being equal, I think Some of the turnovers that cost us some games, especially late in games, probably wouldn't happen with a r, but some of the throws that meant you make the a r probably Wouldn't make or something you know. So it could go both ways.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say it would be tremendously better. But I say a game or two he could. I would say we could probably be, you know, 85 versus 7 and 6, you know what I mean. Or something like that. Like it could be a game or two swing. That's all nothing crazy though.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 2:So yeah, man, jump into our pick-ups. I don't know, sorry, I can click in around to. This week was kind of weird. This is probably the worst week I've seen a hike. You only won four games this week, man, which closed the gap.
Speaker 4:Everybody else one.
Speaker 2:Everybody else pick eight, eight winners. So, granny, you have a lead big enough to kind of hold us off. But I Forget what games kind of threw threw us off, definitely the Kansas City game everybody got wrong. The Detroit game everybody got wrong. What else? The Stealer game, I don't think anybody picked the Steelers right. Yeah, so it was a couple games that, like most of us got wrong, but, like me, picking a cowboy, picking the Cowboys helped. It was just some weird games but I was like only four fight. That's rare but good, it could have back in contention.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm pretty close, though that's what yeah, that's not even Justin bounced back.
Speaker 2:He picked. He picked eight winners. So, yeah, man, we, we, we in the, we in the wheelhouse to catch Ike man, there's the last couple weeks. Man, get this nigga, all right, let's, I believe we can get your ass. Yes, get your phones out. Was get ready to pick this week. What is it something? Something blowing up. Sorry, man, outside my house is somebody moving or Getting a roof redone. Exactly, bro, that's what it's only like all here. Boom, boom. What is that? Thank the kids. All right, man, we got our game tomorrow. Game game tomorrow night. Charges and Raiders, both five and eight. Neither one of them was starting QB's Talent Wise. I mean, course, charges, but they've let us down before I'm going Raiders cuz, like I said.
Speaker 2:I'm off that train. Wait a minute. Quick update. Remember we were doing a Khalil Mack sack watch. Yeah, he's up to 16 lead in the league, so that one game of six. He's had 10 more over.
Speaker 4:Bring it over a couple weeks ago social media and I was like he's actually in the league.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. That's six, maybe you know. Got his mojo back, so they said he was going all pro.
Speaker 3:After what game?
Speaker 2:I mean he, he came back, he hog mouse geared here, tj white, autumn guys, they all within one, though so he's at 16. I think TJ white is at 15 and mouse geared is like at 14, so it's like they're all like very close, but he's currently leading Next game. We got Vikings and bingo seven and six, both teams battling for playoff spots Back up QB's again. This is tough, it's in it's incincerity. If that matters to you, vikings are used to playing in cold climbing but, now they have a dome.
Speaker 4:I'm going with diet girl I.
Speaker 2:Go with Vikings. I'm gonna go with the what they call it. The astronaut. What is he?
Speaker 3:cuz. Nah, he's not even starting. Nick Mullins is starting, which might be bad news for the Bengals. Broke like Like we just talking about earlier quarterbacks from pressure. But we are man, they be lighting our ass up, so what's? I'm gonna go big those, but that could go anywhere with surprising yeah, next game Steelers coats Another game.
Speaker 2:That's just gonna be weird. I'm gonna pick the coast, of course, but it's just. I just feel that's gonna be a weird game. It's an indie. Man yeah oh yeah, then their defense like just always play so good like.
Speaker 3:I'm going coats on that one.
Speaker 2:This is probably very good game. These are all Saturday game. Sorry, thursday was charges Raiders, them last three. So the Vikings, bengals Steelers coats and Broncos Lions. Now they're all Saturday games. So you got no. Why? Because there's no more buys. So I think what they want to do is there's no good college football on. And to try to squeeze all those games in a one week. You could kind of I mean in the one day. They was like we kind of break them up.
Speaker 2:So you got the one up the 1 pm Game is Vikings Bengals, 430 game is coach Steelers. And then the Saturday night game is Broncos Lions, which is probably the best game out of the three 7 and 6 Broncos, like we said earlier, trending up. Indeed, you got the Lions, which we really don't know which lines are gonna show up. It's in Detroit. I'm gonna go with the Lions, but I'm not confidently. Not confidently because the Broncos have been playing great.
Speaker 2:Either the either the Lions blow them out, but if the game is close, I could believe the line, the Broncos can win a close game.
Speaker 4:I took the lines yeah.
Speaker 2:Broncos. I'm not not has nothing to say about that. I've nothing to say about that at all. Yeah me, falcons, panthers, you got a goal.
Speaker 3:This is terrible bro.
Speaker 2:Like both teams are bad, but like the Panthers in the yeah, man, the Panthers, only one game is in Carolina.
Speaker 3:Falcons.
Speaker 2:It's a one o'clock game, so you can, you can skip it. Bears, browns, bears a plan better. You want to go Browns, but is this the game to flock off? Flakco, fall off on flock.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to avoid calling that.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2:Browns, because I think the Bears are playing for draft, for draft position. Bucking near okay, bucking Nears and Packers NFC. Both teams are fighting for seventh. Well, no, the Broncos, the Bucking Nears, are at fourth, they're fighting for seventh. I must say that anyway, because their records are the same. This is stupid Bucking nears coming off a win, packers coming off a loss.
Speaker 4:For the coin.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go green. I'm gonna go green Bay because I just think Jordan love bounces back and we kind of know what a oh boy is and I can't think of his name right now Baker Baker. Yes, we kind of know what Baker is. It's in Green Bay too, so I do think whether we'll play a part in that. But yeah, I'm gonna go green Bay. Next game you got Jetson dolphins Jetson five and eight, dolphins nine and four. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Tire rig, don't play Yep.
Speaker 2:Um, giant Saints, I'm gonna go giants. I'm like I said I don't believe in the Saints.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But I had no worries for Texas Titans you sure these ain't them shitty ball games that you were talking about man right for real.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go Titans, I think. I don't know, man, I must the Titans have been rolling up. They don't want to in a row, I think like.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go Titans to. I don't know if, if homeboys playing CJ Straub.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a nice thing for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm definitely gonna go Titans.
Speaker 4:I was leaning toward Texas.
Speaker 2:It's in Tennessee, which I don't think matters. But yeah, definitely going Titans. Just of course that'll help the coats if they lose Um chiefs and Patriots. I'm going chiefs. Yeah, you're saying hell yeah, but the chiefs have not been a lock the past couple weeks over the Patriots bro, that's the Patriots bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It is the Patriots, though, but gosh, it's like. When is it like when the chiefs are gonna snap back to just being the chiefs and could play in these close games and like, look efficient on offense, like?
Speaker 4:gosh, they also win these early playoffs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if they keep this up. You're right, niners and Cardinals. I don't think we need to really talk about that.
Speaker 4:Vanguard.
Speaker 2:Commander's Rams. I'm gonna go Rams just because the Rams are playing better than the commanders or the commanders.
Speaker 4:Well said, well said.
Speaker 2:Cowboys bills. Now this is kind of interesting. Cowboys have been playing great. Of course it's in Buffalo which they have not been good on the road. Buffalo tends to play better at home than on the road. Also, is this that Dallas trap game? Is this the beginning of the bills taking the AFC East, as we were stating earlier?
Speaker 3:Could both be possibilities.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure. I said earlier that he's putting the bills, so I'm just taking it.
Speaker 2:I am with you on that. I am going to also pick the bills. I just yeah, yeah, whenever Dallas gets the ride and too high, they usually get smacked in the math and I think this is the game to do it. Yeah, I'm gonna go bills. Sunday night game Good game. Raven's Jaguars, I'm going. Raven's Jaguars haven't looked right since that Trevor Lawrence injury, like he's been acting like he, okay, but they have not looked good. I don't think they've won since that ankle injury.
Speaker 3:In one game, bro.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying that, like the backup won that game. You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean he lost it because he got hurt on Monday right Against us, Like at the end of the game. They lost that game and then they went to oh, he did end up losing it, it was just close and then they just lost when they go to.
Speaker 2:This past Sunday the Browns wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. So, like I said, they haven't looked good since then. So I'm definitely gonna go Raven's anyway, just because Raven's been playing good and I don't think there's gonna come down to a fourth quarter situation. But this could be a playoff preview. And then last game on Monday night we have Eagles and Seahawks.
Speaker 3:Eagles big.
Speaker 2:They need it. I'm just gonna put it out there Eagles need it. They definitely need it. Yeah, man, let's pick them. Any final thoughts? Man, we write at one hour and one minute. Man, look at us.
Speaker 3:I got something. When are we going to start talking about Popovich in the same room? That we put that people, not me that we put Bella checking?
Speaker 2:What you mean. Same room as.
Speaker 3:Fiery Popovich fucking sucks now Like 17 straight losses. I don't care.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:If you, if you're a good coach, you don't lose 17 straight Because at some point you out coach the other team and he's not out coaching anybody right now To like, yes, when is that conversation going to start? It took Bella check what three or four years Popovich has kind of been on the down end for. I don't know how many years it's been, but it might be time to start having that conversation and seeing what's what.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think they're both in the same boat. I'm such a sucker for my bad.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say I'm such a sucker for winning. I was telling somebody today I was like man, if Bella check coming back and Andy Dawson had a guy that six bowls he could have cost the rest of his life, like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have cared. And that's the same thing I was saying about Bella check. Like man, you get your organizations six bowls in like one generation to what like it was. You know, one like generation In 20 years. That's tough, like you almost deserve the right to coach until you say, all right, I'm done.
Speaker 2:That's a bow every. That's a bow every two years. Well, that's crazy. He has they have.
Speaker 3:They have just as many. They have just as many bowls in that little era as any team combined. Yeah, that's, that's grounds for being able to coach, until you say I'm cool, yeah, like, but every time I get rid of Bella, check, when is it? When is the conversation going to start about? Okay, so what's going to happen with pop is what is he waiting on? He got the unicorn, like, what is it?
Speaker 2:What? Do you give him time to develop the unicorn? Do you get time to see, to put?
Speaker 3:No, no, no no no, I agree.
Speaker 2:No, the same I mean. That's why I said it was too me, or in the same boat. The same thing with bill of check, like I think. First off you take the GM job away from him and say, okay, just coach yeah because buddy we'll hire, we'll bring somebody in to build the team you got.
Speaker 2:course you're gonna work together to build the type of team you want. But I think somebody else needs to deal with that and you just solely focus on coaching. You just focus on coaching to the X's and O's. Don't worry about the, the gyms and Joe's. Focus on the X's and O's.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 2:And I think Popovich, kind of the same thing. It's like you get, like you said, you get the unicorn. But then how do I figure out? Okay, this is what the unicorn can do. I'm learning that now. And now, what do I need to put around the unicorn? Well, at least two years.
Speaker 3:My thing is this Y'all have been on the down in, for this ain't the first year that they've been counter trash. You should have been adding the unicorn to something that's already something right, like losing 17 straight games in no situation. In no situation. Is is okay.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 3:I was like your top three players are hurt. 17 straight is a lot of games.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then again like just kind of takes me back to a conversation we was having before about these small market teams and like if you're just, if you don't draft well and you don't get guys in there and build a culture and have a winning culture, that is hard to get guys to come there solo and you know what I mean and build around those stars. Like five things in the last, but all those, but all those guys were drafted and then they brought in random guys to support them.
Speaker 4:They're still considered small market teams.
Speaker 3:But my whole thing is everybody's really small market, except for two teams and one of those two to well. Three team, four teams.
Speaker 4:But that's why those two always at least get the consent of your team is ain't shit.
Speaker 3:I just don't put me in. Vernon said this conversation. I don't put too much real estate in that small market crap like I.
Speaker 4:just I personally don't, but there's only but they've never 95% of the team just small market like they've never really got people to go there, like they never really got a free. He only gets kind of people, though.
Speaker 3:He only like.
Speaker 1:Papa.
Speaker 3:Papa pitch is actually really similar to Bella check, because Bella check only really gets one type of person to, they only really. It's like they only have eyes for a certain type of player, like in. I mean it's.
Speaker 4:This bell check yet, because he does have with me. Let's see what he does with me.
Speaker 2:When the term and I'm saying in basketball More time 17 straight is a lot of losses.
Speaker 3:I don't care if us three is out there, bro, that's a lot of losses in a row. That's crazy. At some point you got to be able to to draw up something, to scheme something, to get three out of those 17 games, bro like.
Speaker 4:I'm worried about is has he lost like? Is he too far like to?
Speaker 1:Is he lost the team?
Speaker 3:He's like.
Speaker 4:I'm saying, and then that may be that they don't come in and look at him the same as those previous generation players who did look at him as a legendary coach. He's 74 years old. I'm just talking because a lot of young things still come in with a ton of respect for overall history in general. And this is just young, like people in general. Like I fucking hate to see that I'm not my ancestors, shit. This shit pisses me off because one my ancestors through hands, so if yours didn't, that's your family shit. He may be a little bit too far my. He may be a little bit far removed, but because he has one of the like.
Speaker 4:I'm going to at least give him another year and a half to see what he does with that and then what he can put around when we can draw in any any type of free agents or how they do. The draft is typically how they've been successful, but if you know, we're looking at the same type of thing this time next year. I'm probably going to start to turn that corner, like I because now you probably going to have two top five picks.
Speaker 2:So I'm just saying because then you know, this year they're probably going to be there too. If they continue on this path which I don't foresee them, just some at some point that street will have to stop. They will pull one out. I'm hoping I'm getting there.
Speaker 4:The people all this? Definitely yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So they're probably going to have a top five pick this year anyway coming up. So yeah, that's what I figured, like they're in the same boat. I think Biller check gets a little more time just because in football and the respect, and again like you, you, you, gm and coach, you can easily just take away one of those and say OK, we'll be, you can stay GM and we'll bring another coach.
Speaker 3:vice versa, you pick, I can see that type of role. I can see that.
Speaker 2:I'm saying like all right, we're going to bring another coach, will keep you on staff because his son coaches with him. To like we'll keep your son on. You know me and you know you can kind of be like a consultant to the coaches and GM. You know I mean whatever I say, do that. And then, like I said with Paco bitch, you just kind of got to get the young guys time to pin out to like say you're not bringing no free agents, did nobody signing there. That's just like said just if history serves us correctly.
Speaker 4:That's another difference, I would say, is like they'll expect a lot of money. A couple years ago, one players like in one out and they play on.
Speaker 2:But even that was good Because he didn't get like.
Speaker 4:I had that opportunity, that's right.
Speaker 3:Now I was saying like I remember when he spent all that money, but then he like it like three tight ends or something.
Speaker 2:He did overpay two tight ends.
Speaker 4:I don't know what. 100 Henry, and it was a daddy Walker? I believe.
Speaker 2:No, not Walker it wasn't Walker, it was 100 Henry, and I think he's in.
Speaker 3:I could have scored was three. Maybe they already had like a decent tight end to.
Speaker 4:But at one time.
Speaker 2:I can't remember the other. They signed to.
Speaker 4:And then they spent top dollar for like to Kendrick Bourne, and so I mean, but he at least went out and spent money on.
Speaker 2:Nelson Aguilera.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the decisions were just like bro are you guys, why do you have?
Speaker 4:that type of opportunity Exactly?
Speaker 2:Like you'd never think about San Antonio when free agency pop around like alright, who was San Antonio gonna go get? You know? Think about it. Like they just never that name in a pot you always hear about the LA is the Golden States, the Chicago's, the New York's, the Miami's, like those are the clippers. You know, those are the teams you always hear in the mix and most of the time and now you know you can say Phoenix now, but those are the most of the time the teams during the mix to get you know the big names because they're the big market teams again like and even like Dallas, and you can even say Houston sometimes, but they're always in the mix because that's Destinations people want to be.
Speaker 4:So I mean the Spurs interview before job like 10 or 11 years ago, and didn't give it to me so they can burn for like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah or no. She. She's coaching the LA that Las Vegas aces now, because then they have old girl was a Becky Henn. Becky Henn.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't him Something like that that was on her, that was on his staff and they were trying to talk about. She could possibly be the first woman coaching men's basketball, so, but she ended up going to WNBA. But yeah, no, man, I do think you're right in the sentiment that the conversations need to start. You know, being had, I don't think either one of them is on the chopping block yet, because I mean you got five titles of one, six with the other, like I think you kind of like you said you let those guys ride out.
Speaker 3:I think, I think the bell check one is real.
Speaker 4:I heard yeah, no, they've been talking to no Now, but You're popular and then we'll start a side line In about a year.
Speaker 2:So I agree. Well, if that's all, gents man, it's been a pleasure again.
Speaker 1:See y'all next week.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we will not see you next week, unfortunately, next couple weeks we will. Next couple weeks will be without Ike, but I'm gonna try to work, see if we can get some substitutes. Man, we losing too many people. Jared, man, we might have to get a sub in here or something.
Speaker 3:Man, the next two weeks off, might not, might not be too, hey y'all go man. Let me check my PTO balance real quick.
Speaker 4:It's up to y'all 16 hours exactly.
Speaker 2:Look, it's up to y'all, y'all let me know.
Speaker 3:See what I got in the bank and I'll holler. Now it's this whatever, if we come to agreement on something cool, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got a couple guys in the city, that that I was thinking about, that you know you can possibly bring it and I mean we always got Jonathan, we always got crossroads in our back pocket. You know what I mean. Nonetheless, sometimes you gotta bring the pond in, but this has been the epic podcast man. We will see y'all next week maybe.