E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
Life is full of moments you cannot predict or control only experience and enjoy right? Come join Vernon, Isaac, Justin, and Jared every Wednesday where we lend our opinions about current event going on in sports. Every episode is promising to be entertaining, not necessarily informational.
E.P.I.C. Podcast "Every Play Is Crucial"
S2: Episode 39: James Harden to the Clippers, Week 9 College Football recap, Updated AP Top 10, Trade deadline moves, Predications and more
Ready for a fast-paced, passionate discussion on the sporting world? Strap in, all you sports enthusiasts, as we bring you our latest episode packed with hot takes, analysis, and predictions. From the electrifying MLB World Series to the startling happenings in the NBA, we leave no stone unturned. We shine a spotlight on the James Harden trade, dissecting its impact and raising the question: did anyone really come out on top?
Shifting gears, we dive into the college football landscape, evaluating the undefeated Top Five teams and exploring potential playoff scenarios. Are the rankings subjective or objective? It's a contentious debate, and we're here to hash it out. Meanwhile, in the NFL sphere, we scrutinize recent trades and their ripple effects, crossing swords on the performance of teams like the Ohio State Buckeyes. Why are some teams content with mediocrity when change could shoot them into the Super Bowl stratosphere? We're just as baffled as you are.
To wrap things up, we pull out our crystal ball and make our picks for the upcoming NFL games, revealing our predictions for the outcomes. We also dig deep into the issues with pressure, defense, and offense within the Washington Football Team. And because we're not all serious business, we lighten the mood with a fun discussion on the dangers of using memes as facts when debating sports. So, whether you're a seasoned sports aficionado or just a casual fan, join us for a spirited, insightful chat that's sure to keep you on your toes!
I Welcome to another episode of the epic podcast. Somebody stuff is mad loud in the background. We're back once again in the house. We got Ike back off a boat and we got he was all the boat. No, justin, right now he out there making all the money running the bag up. So May have him in the comments later on, but not live. So how was your sports weekend, man? It's a long weekend for us.
Speaker 3:My shoes decent bro. I'm mad at it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, you have one them weekends man. Yeah, Ike was having too much fun. I don't even think he cares about sports man. How was the boat man?
Speaker 4:Man, I had blast Great time with the fam. We hadn't been together like that since I was 14. I think man so definitely enjoyed it. Watching watch the sports on the boat is a completely different experience, like I didn't get to see the 49er game on the big screen because they were showing movies on the screen at that time, so I had to go to dance work bar on the boat, which is crazy enough.
Speaker 4:I didn't know this work. Well, I was on there too, some random dude told me, but I watched the Rams is still his game outside, while no people are swimming around me. I'm keeping PG and the. The dolphins and Eagles game was crazy, and then there was mad Eagles fans. There wasn't even there was a one dolphins fan and one dude was a Cowboys fan, so obviously he was just there to hate. They was going back and forth, though it felt like I was at an actual game. It was a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna Okay, cool man, cool, cool, Cool man. Well, we got lots of talk about man stuffing, going down man, we're gonna start with, we're gonna start with the World Series real quick, get that out the way. Like I said, not a big football, baseball show, but you know, we're gonna show some respect to the, to the MLB man. They got the Texans the 3-1 over the Diamondbacks right now, lee, it can end tonight. It just came on so the Texans can Take it home tonight. The Rangers man over the Diamondbacks, or done best and come back, man. This has been a story of comebacks in the MLB. This, this whole playoff series has been a lot of teams coming back.
Speaker 3:So just I don't mean that I feel like baseball is actually easier to come back than any other sport Because it could just be over so quick. You know I'm saying like you get, you get five rounds in the first inning. The game is 97% of the time the game is over. You know I'm saying so. It's just like you know. So I feel like it's still alive.
Speaker 1:I mean, if the comeback is, you know, and just being a Boston Red Sox fan, I just remember the one year we came back from a 31 on the length on the Yankees to go to the World Series. So it can happen.
Speaker 4:So, and this is just for all the Marvel, so In the year you know, I felt I wanted to go to World Series games. Brains ruin that for me. Thanks, guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But move on, man, we're gonna jump into the little NBA news. Just gonna talk about the James Harden trait. Finally, he got up out of Philly. So the Clippers get James Harden, pj Tucker and flip I don't know how to say his last name and I'm not gonna slaughter it and the Sixers get King and Martin Jr, robert Covington, morris, the tomb in some draft consideration. So they actually get the Clippers, I think, first round pick or the second round pick, and I think they get the okc pick that they got. They get that first round pick and then some other pick later on. I couldn't fit them all on here, but uh, yeah. So what do I think about this? Try, I'm gonna start with Ike man, what you think about this. Straight. Who won, who lost doesn't matter.
Speaker 4:And I don't know who wanted to lost. Honestly, I really can't say I've won.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying on paper, on paper, not before anybody hits the court, but just on paper, just from y'all.
Speaker 4:I can't get past the fact that I thought the clip was a curse, like if it like somebody's gonna get hurt and then they gonna be down, like then I'm like, okay, well, westbrook and Harden kind of do the same thing, like so, do you play them together? Like, like, what's the lineup? How many games is quite even gonna play? Bro? I don't know if this makes them a better team. Honestly, I can tell you they didn't give up much. So I mean, from that standpoint, like I mean at the very least you stay where you were. Actually you know it now because they did give PJ Tucker and and they do pride themselves on defense and PJ Tucker is a defensive guy who Doesn't not need to have the ball to impact the game and can stretch the floor. No, shoot those corner threes.
Speaker 1:No, if he gets high he's pretty tricky too. So if you get hot, yeah.
Speaker 4:So I mean I would give them the edge on that. I mean it's gonna be obviously what the sixes get from the draft. I would say this I don't know if the sixes got better either, Honestly, what any of the pieces that they took. So I mean it's almost feels like a stealth me. To me I can't say that anybody wanted, anybody lost. I don't know that either team got better or worse.
Speaker 1:I'm sure Okay, fair enough. What about you, Jared?
Speaker 3:man, I feel like you guys know, I feel about James Harden, I feel like the Clippers, rob, the sixes, personally, I mean they didn't give up anything. I mean you couldn't even get you know the sick, you couldn't even get the Clippers best bench player, you know. Okay, that's Terrence man. So you, you didn't, you didn't get one. I mean you got it, you didn't really get much from the trade. And I feel like you know, with Harden out in LA, I mean if those four guys, if they can just go half, half, 50%, they blow everybody away. If you get Westbrook, akwae, paul George and heart and to perform at 50% of their maximum capabilities, they blow everybody out. So we'll see what happens with the injuries, we'll see what happens with you know how they fit. But there's no way that this team can't win that ears and I don't see it. They're already good, you know. So you add hard into the fold, maybe you bring them off the bench, maybe you stagger his minutes with somebody else, like who knows? But there is nothing that this team needs, literally nothing that this team needs.
Speaker 3:I think Zubac is heavily underrated. You still got Norman Powell. He can get you 30. Only me given night. You got Terrence man, he could light it up, and then you got to start in five. You know what do you need. What else do you need?
Speaker 1:So I think I think you need. You got two of the best two of the best two-way players. Let's let me finish. Neither one of them can stay healthy, though, when it matters, I thought that's the only problem.
Speaker 1:I just think you saying let's, let's say they, let's say they make the playoffs. Like I said, chances are one of them are gonna be hurt. You can almost guarantee it. And if you look back, every since they've been together, very seldom have they played in the playoffs together. And then you go get Hardin, who's a notorious choker in the playoffs, like just we're gonna call it what it is notorious. So like, how far do you really expect them to go on the playoffs? Yeah, regular season they may be good, but I just, I just can't depend on them.
Speaker 3:James Harden playoff stats are probably amongst the best ever. So I mean this choking narrative. I'm not. I can't really. Just looking at numbers or you look, but you got to look at those numbers. I'm looking at production. Only thing that I could base somebody's production off of is their production.
Speaker 1:I Hear what you're saying, but what's his field goal percentage?
Speaker 2:How many shots does he take? Well, we come in.
Speaker 1:How many? How many? What's his?
Speaker 3:record. How many shots does he have to take, like everything for these teams? Like hey, so he doesn't ball, they have no chance, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Yes, do everything for the last couple teams he's been on.
Speaker 3:No, I'm talking about his playoff. He's been off of his prime for the past. I would say two or three years. I'm talking about that run he had in in Houston.
Speaker 1:He had eight years, he was in the playoffs. Last year, though, let's just talk about listen keeper as recent.
Speaker 3:I get that, but was that him is the reason why they didn't win.
Speaker 1:He's a part of it.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean that a part of it. This is a team sport.
Speaker 1:He's the number, but he's the second person.
Speaker 3:He had to change this whole game to fit with in B, though, but that's where you want to go ahead.
Speaker 1:But now I'm just saying but he wanted to go there. So when you want to go somewhere, then that, that it like so.
Speaker 3:Just cuz somebody wants to do something, that means the pressures on you just does you doing something you want to do.
Speaker 1:Yes, when you request a trade out of somewhere.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know how to say the pressures on them, but you requested to go there, so you knew that.
Speaker 1:You say what we don't. I'm not talking about guaranteed championship, but when you go somewhere, you're playing with the MVP of the league and One one of the best teams in the east. I mean, I, they didn't lose much to get you, they only gave up Ben Simmons. So it ain't like he. It was a swap of rosters and, like it wasn't enough, helping around, like that team was still a competing team. You made it better. We can say that. We can say that he's better than Simmons in a way.
Speaker 3:Who did?
Speaker 1:they lose to Was it the Bucks or the Celtics Celtics, I think it was the Celtics. The Celtics is a better team. Sorry, yeah, but with a James Harden like. So then how? I just don't see him. And this is just my opinion. I don't think it makes the Clippers that much better.
Speaker 3:I mean, the Clippers is already a nice team. They were already a really good team.
Speaker 1:They're always the most important in the world.
Speaker 3:Their only hurdles have been injuries, literally, that's it. When them guys are playing, they are elite. The best ability is availability, and that's what I'm saying. If they stay healthy, they're going to be a problem. Like I said, even if one gets, even if two gets hurt, they'll be able to compete in the regular season. If they can get all those guys healthy in the playoffs, I can't see for the life of me anybody beating them, unless, like Harden gets in and because I saw Terrence Mann's reaction when he walked into the locker room, it was kind of awkward, so like, unless you know, he causes some kind of rift inside the team, which is possible. I'm not, definitely not excluding that.
Speaker 1:Everywhere he's been.
Speaker 3:He has that's facts. I'll give you that too. So I'm not saying that he ain't the necessary.
Speaker 1:The best team team, right, right guys.
Speaker 3:And piss somebody off and get the chemistry out Like that's all possibilities. But like that's about the thing, if they produce at 50%, if everybody can produce at 50% of their maximum capability, that team slides past everybody. That's just my opinion. I've been wrong before. I'm going to be wrong more, but that's just what I had.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just, I don't know. I just like I said, outside of Kowai, like nobody else on that team has really had playoff success.
Speaker 3:I mean PG's been to the Eastern Cup. Lebron is the only thing that's still PG away from the finals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again, he hasn't been in that since that. That was what eight years ago, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. So I mean, I'm just saying the most that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm like most recently, I mean like Kowai, the only one that really got a championship is. You know, that's has that, that, I feel, has that dog in you. You know what I mean. When it come playoff time, like the rest of them, I just haven't seen it ever.
Speaker 3:And nowhere, nowhere else they been.
Speaker 1:Westbrook went to the finals. Gabby Bella-Bron Went to the finals with who? Okay, see, right, and Hardin was there, and that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying yeah, so I.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Even then. Even then, like I just none of them have that dog in them and the playoff time to be like, okay, that's who I can depend on when it, you know, in a seven game series, that's fair.
Speaker 3:I mean that's fair. Like, I like that's kind of criteria with guys too, so that's fair.
Speaker 1:I feel like just Kowai is the only one. So like hopefully you know what I mean. Like I said, all them guys deserve it. Like that team is a team of guys who deserve it. But again, kind of like what you were saying, Ike, like they always underachieve, Like they've always acquired talent, but it's the injuries though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just injuries, I know what I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:I mean, but that's still underachieve. I mean, you can't control injuries.
Speaker 3:Nah, yeah, I can't say underachieve when it's injuries, Like I mean, that's my fear, but still even being like, I mean like they've never I mean they haven't since Kauai and PG been there.
Speaker 1:They haven't led the West and we, like they haven't done anything significant to even see the potential to be like, okay, that's what it could be. We haven't even seen them at their best, like ever, because it's always one or two, or even when there's two, it's like a five game stretch and then one is low management. You know what I'm saying. So, like it's always a weird thing going on with the Clippers.
Speaker 4:That is my worry. So it doesn't seem like Harden meshes with other stars like well. For a long period of time he didn't seem to mesh with CP very well. For whatever reason. Him, katie and Kyrie couldn't get it together. Now that was an injury thing for a good piece of that as well, and it seemed like they were all getting injured at some point. But even when they were all in the court together it didn't necessarily seem like they fit he kind of fit with MB, but obviously they didn't get to what they were trying to get to.
Speaker 1:He didn't seem comfortable.
Speaker 4:He hasn't really seen comfortable since he's been out of Houston.
Speaker 2:Since he's been out of your, dance on the system.
Speaker 4:What she tried to get back to, and I mean, according to Stephen A Smith, he talked himself out of a Max Country, that's crazy, which is a wow.
Speaker 3:I definitely do feel like Harden's. I don't want you to get me like confused. I definitely do think Harden's best days are behind him. So I don't think Harden's 35 points a game, 60 point, triple doubles, like all that's there, but if he can give you a solid 22, if he can add 22 points a game.
Speaker 1:And his career average right now is 21, 6 and 10. If he could give you that. If he can give you that that's crazy.
Speaker 3:You're good and, like I said, I'm gonna say this once. I'm gonna say this this is a fine time. I'm gonna say this that Clippers team is good. They are already good, so it's like even if-.
Speaker 1:And they have all the defense coming off the bench With.
Speaker 2:Terrence.
Speaker 1:Mann and PJ Tucker and them like you can interchange them if somebody's getting cut, but then like Paul George and Kauai, like what two wings are you gonna put up against them?
Speaker 3:two wings, you know what I'm saying and succeed like All offensive and defensive. That's probably the best duo you have Like yeah, I mean we go like Kauai Thompson defensively with the jump shot and can like create and can take it to the hoop Like neither one has any flaws.
Speaker 1:But then when you but the thing is too like you sprinkle in Russ, which you don't get yeah, that's true, and then you sprinkle in Hardin what you gonna get. You're like, you know what I mean, Like that.
Speaker 2:You just don't know how that's gonna taste Like you're the leg to here tonight the Lakers have zero chance of beating the Clippers Like zero chance of my opinion.
Speaker 3:So we don't see and they're not even gonna play. But already something about the Clippers and the Lakers. They got the Clippers, they got the Lakers number. They have zero chance against the Clippers tonight. And then you add James Hardin, pj Tucker. I mean there's gonna be a. It's gonna be a situation where you can have PG, pj Tucker and Kawaii out there defensively at the same time. That's Ridiculous ridiculous.
Speaker 1:So, and even Russ been playing better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's not a slouch defensively either, so he's gonna give you energy chase?
Speaker 1:down like skills crappy yeah. Yep, all right.
Speaker 4:Before we move, I do a sin to shout out to boom on Facebook who first said that the clippers are gonna get bounced in the second round. Okay, I am curious after who you think that is going to be. Think they're gonna match up with who's gonna bounce them? And then also said that Sitius are not gonna make the playoffs. I don't know what I'm going as far as I say the six.
Speaker 3:You're though absolutely Saying the clippers are gonna get bouncing the second round. Is that fully healthy or are you using, or are you using injuries as a clutch, as a crutch, rather that's? That's what I would like to know answer to, because if you, assuming that they're gonna get injured yeah, of course they're probably, I mean, they have a chance, but like I don't think that's a fair assessment, you know, using that as a, as a mulligan, that they're gonna get hurt, like but if you just look at the history of those guys like I Get that.
Speaker 3:But just make that known Get. The comment was to say Two of those guys are gonna get hurt. Clippers gonna end up getting bounced that ground, all right, cool. Well, I caught like call it out Because you know, saying that they're gonna get bouncing the second round. Is that assuming that they're fully healthy? Is that assuming that a guy gets injured, two guys gets injured? What is that assume?
Speaker 4:That's why I assume who you have beaten, because I mean it's matchup. Why is the only one I can think that was there the chance of that offside my head, I think it was the next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see the nuggets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the nuggets look really good, oh I fully, a fully healthy Warriors.
Speaker 1:I think they can. They can go with them other Kings I wouldn't even sleep on the Kings. The Kings match up very well with them.
Speaker 3:We're also forgetting about the Suns, but two of them are already hurt. Yeah, I don't understand how you can drop 32 on opening night and then you know, post game interview, everything cool, and then you just out with an ankle, like when the air is ankle. But I seen, I seen. I watched the Kings and the Lakers the other night and I watched the De'Aaron Fox's ankle literally hit the ground and he came back and then he ended up leaving a little later. But it's so crazy to me that you know these games in and they're fine and then all of a sudden they're just out. So I feel like I feel like KD's back in Brooklyn already.
Speaker 1:You already down, which is like crazy but just to kind of put it in perspective like that kind of makes what LeBron does like Crazy.
Speaker 2:Like it just.
Speaker 1:I know this has nothing to do with LeBron and we ain't even talking about them, but it's just like the model of consistency, like, if nothing else, if you don't respect nothing else about them, like hey, don't. It's consistency 21 years.
Speaker 3:like nothing surprises me at this point. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, man, let's move on. We'll wait for boom to respond later on in the chat and we'll we'll double back, but let's jump into some.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, it's jumping into some College football real quick, real quick. I know they kind of on the back burner where everything has been going on and In the NFL and NBA starting off. So so quick, quick, noticeable games. We got Kansas beating the OU. So me and Jared was talking about this last week we're just kind of doing some scenarios out like what could happen. What if OU gets a loss? Or what if Georgia get one loss? You know you're gonna have a one loss either Michigan, ohio State.
Speaker 1:How do you rank on? Like we didn't see Kansas beaten but we literally said it could happen any point between now and the playoffs. So, like you know, oklahoma kind of got theirs out the way. Probably should happen a little earlier. But now you got them losing to Kansas and now you have a OU to beat Texas, but Texas is now ranked higher than them, which I don't even know how that works. You got Arizona be Oregon State, which Oregon State has been ranked all year? Oregon Arizona has not been ranked. So they lost to our ranked team granted by three. But Beat them and you got.
Speaker 3:They're out there, out there, out the pain yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. But then you have a Oregon. You have Oregon, beat Utah which.
Speaker 2:I mean it's spanked. Spank them in Utah.
Speaker 1:Which is tough thing to do because Utah don't lose much at home, right. So, yeah, now you got you know, I mean, how do you, how do you? Even Fathom was about to go on now. So I'm gonna bring up the rankings real quick, the new rankings, and we can kind of talk about that. So Right now you still got Georgia, michigan, ohio State, florida.
Speaker 3:Now he's ain't right bro, you gotta pull up some college football. Listen, listen, no, no, yeah, I didn't, I didn't bring up.
Speaker 1:I refreshed and these were the current ones that I could find and I just been keeping it consistent because I don't want to Scour the internet for something different. I know they put Michigan at one.
Speaker 3:No Ohio.
Speaker 1:State's one.
Speaker 2:Oh, I stayed as one, okay. So yes, I did hear about that, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:This was the AP as it was on Google. So, like I said, I didn't want to scour the internet to see because I had heard Ohio State being one. So we can, we can switch it, it could be Ohio State being one, whatever, like that was.
Speaker 2:Top four or five Are all undefeated, so yeah, you know, I mean that really don't matter. Yeah, right, that don't matter right now.
Speaker 1:The bottom four is what's interesting, because now we, like I said, we got Oregon. That's a one-loss team. You got Texas One loss, vama one loss, penn State one loss, and now, oh, you were one loss, so Only four gets in this year. Uh, but now how do you? You got Texas above Bama, which they beat Bama, but then you got, oh, you ranked 10th, who beat Texas? And then you kind of got Penn State, just stuck in the middle. Do you agree with the back six? I mean the back five? I should say Just uh, jared, I'm no Ike, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean it's kind of, it's really kind of hard for me to really speak on it because the ap poll is like really Is not, doesn't mean anything at this point, I think after a week, what week?
Speaker 1:is it? This is week? This is week nine nine.
Speaker 3:It switches over to the college football playoff rankings. Um, so I'm actually trying to compare them down, so let's go.
Speaker 4:I'm uh last four. I'll put them in a group if I can.
Speaker 3:Because see Penn State's 11 in the college football rankings, but the ap they got a mid nine. Um, so I mean it's it's really hard to really even really speak on it.
Speaker 3:But I see, texas, texas is seven and both Alabama's eight, and both, um, both, both won losses. Uh, both can move up depending on who to, you know who loses in the undefeated Um, I could definitely still see, uh, texas, alabama and Oklahoma, you know, making a run for it. Um, so that's, they're just they're. They're just, they're in striking distance. Like I, I've been in this situation with the buck eyes before one loss.
Speaker 1:Okay, I just pulled it up.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah just wait now. So, um, let's see the top five and the ap. The only changes are they switched, they put how? State of one, georgia two, and I think the only reason that Ohio state is number one is because they got two at the time that they played the guys, two top ten wins, one being on the road From the itess. I don't think that they're the number one team in the country, um, but I think in order for the college football playoff committee to have any Uh consistency and state relevant, they have to have a criteria and that criteria is there to only undefeated team with two top ten wins, one being on the road. So I think that's why they got number one, uh, which?
Speaker 2:I was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like you kind of have to do it, or you, you basically admit to it being an itess if you don't like have some kind of criteria. So they either had to go criteria or itess. They chose criteria. It's why Ohio state is number one. But I mean, there's too much subjectiveness in the itess, I think, for me. So you got to have some kind of criteria in which you know, and I think that's how they made the, the decisions, uh, can't that's. I don't disagree with any of it, but it doesn't matter. Team still got a win.
Speaker 1:So yeah, um, I'm like I said I just found it, so, uh, I'm, I'm looking at it right now, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's how I should. I should, I mean, you got.
Speaker 1:Ole Miss in there instead of they move Penn State out. I mean it's Ole Miss, oklahoma, alabama, tex, it's still the same. I mean outside of Ole Miss, I mean a Penn State not being in there, which I'm fine with because the way Penn State has lost, like when they lost the Ohio State, like that was just yeah, they just look very bad. That offense look, that offense was enemic like. It was almost like bingles.
Speaker 3:Week. One tight In my issue, in my issue with Ohio State, is we used to beat the sleeves off of them like yeah, and that that's how I was thinking.
Speaker 1:I'm like that that's probably my only concern with Ohio State is like If they could have mustered any more uh, any more uh offense they could have, just they could have destroyed them.
Speaker 3:We should like, just like we should have deal with Wisconsin this past weekend. We should have blew them out. But Cal McCord's it's not. He's just not that guy. I mean it's.
Speaker 3:It could be a blessing in the skies, I think, for Ohio State because In these recent years they've been so heavily relying, relying on the passing game because they've had these All-world quarterbacks and now it's forcing Ohio State to be a more complete team and so it's, it's looking like it's paying off because the defense is finally. I guess they're like okay, we're not going to get 40, 50 points every game. We got a. You know, we got to strap up and hold guys and they're doing that. I mean the most points they've given up to anybody with 17 points in Ohio State won that game 37, 17. So it's just like you know, maybe that maybe it's a blessing in the skies, but I'm just not used to, you know, the minimal points of dirt producing the offense. Granted, I think the game against Penn State I'm not completely sure, but I think traveillon henerson was out that game and he was, so that makes a difference.
Speaker 1:And I mean like again, like that's why I was kind of saying early in the season, like when they were having a lot of close winds, I mean they were winning, but there was some close wins, I was just like we just not used to this Ohio State, like we're used to Ohio State dominating also now.
Speaker 3:You said that defense locking up either.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:I think they've given up like no 40 point. I mean 40 yard plays all year, or something crazy like that. Yeah, that's something that nature and we're like big on giving up big plays, like you know, yeah. So Maybe it's just a little a slight shift, maybe it pays off in the end, who knows? Well, you know it's Not footballer.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. So all right, man, let's jump into the grown man league. We just had to trade deadline go down, so let's talk about those. So I got all the most recent trade since last week. I didn't want to put everything on there because like it was just forever, but this is everything that's happened since last time we was on air. Um man, we're gonna just start with chase young to dango niners like Great.
Speaker 3:I'm not for all those guys out there like.
Speaker 1:I mean you just put him on the side of Both of them, let him go.
Speaker 3:Have somebody on others like what are you gonna do with him? Who is the opposite age? I?
Speaker 4:It's never I'm, says in the middle, it's hard grave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think yeah the same.
Speaker 4:Or say I can't remove something else every now upside my head, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Can law. Cool. This is what you do now. First, first off, now all you have to do is rush for forever. You can interchange these guys however you want. With hard grade Bosa, young, you could just music Crazy, and that's. You literally have to rush for all day Because they played a run. Very well, even if you pull chase young out, only drop him in, and in passing situations, you know what I mean the other four can stop the run, as they've shown. Bruh, you get to drop eight them there all the time. Seven, eight all the time. It's about to be different. If they put that, if they get those injuries, get people back from offense, you know what I mean. Get the debos. Just, you know the trend when you get them back Abre, abre and you only paying him half a meal.
Speaker 1:Like rich he's on the last.
Speaker 3:Nothing I'll be like. I like hate our fan base because I feel like we're so used to mediocrity that you know, because all, like 95%, are fans or all I trust, I trust the bingles front office like, and I'm just like are y'all, y'all like? Y'all are like brainwash? Because my thing is, if you don't feel like your team, it's gonna run through everybody else's team with no problems. You need to be making some kind of changes. You need to be trying to trade, you need to be trying to draft, especially if you're on a cuff, you know, on the on the brink of being that Super Bowl contender, or if you already are, but you don't think, if you don't think your team is good enough to run through, beat everybody Handedly.
Speaker 3:You need to be making some changes, like, especially if you're in that running and I, there is nobody in their right mind that just think that the bingles are just gonna run through every day. They're dead. That doesn't exist. That person doesn't exist. I'm just keeping it real. Why we made no changes, I don't know. We still don't have a tight end, I Don't know. So Rich can get richer, making moves, making changes and you know, the little guys just continue being a little guys.
Speaker 1:Well, let's speak about some of these little guys. You get Michelle Douglas to the bills which they needed a corner with. Today we're skinning, which are yeah, with white being out for the year, I think that helps them. Oh, yeah, excuse me. Yeah, well, him being out for the year, that helps them because they've been struggling, they've been giving up a lot of big plays and kind of been battling on defense, which has been their struggle all the time. You get people Jones to the Lions like they needed another way. But they needed another weapon.
Speaker 1:Very good, but he's from Detroit, so I think you. See how you let him go. You get a Cleveland a guard to the Jags from Minnesota. It's like I mean just seeing the Jags twice a year, all the time they Shoot, they fiving too, but they haven't lost In a minute, you know, I mean like they on the run. So yeah, you just give one more person to help protect Trevor Lawrence Diaps to the Vikings, which I think that was a good move. The kind of salvage.
Speaker 2:They see.
Speaker 1:I think so Only because it's like, well, you know, cousins is probably done. They were sure I promise there was only three game winning streak. So I mean, if your team is, like said in the middle of the season, starting to trend up, um, why not try to see if you can continue that with somebody who's proven that they least gonna play hard and put you in the best situation, when I don't think that Ricky that they had back in backing up Cousins is what it was.
Speaker 1:So if they believe doesn't say if they believe they him, then they wouldn't make this move.
Speaker 3:But I mean and then her cousins also isn't under contract going in the next year, so they probably like I mean, we really don't know how this is gonna play out, so we don't know why they didn't go. Try to get Tamis Winston. I mean, he's just being wasted. That's what they were gonna do. Yeah, just, he's just being wasted as a backup, like that's true.
Speaker 4:That's true. I keep forgetting that he's in the league just because he's just chillin. He's better than.
Speaker 3:He's definitely better than 25% of the starters in the league. He's better than anybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only thing, though, is like yeah, what, wilson, what, what, what, what, like. Which one are you gonna get, though? Like, are you gonna get, like the one-to-one ratio, like for every touch down he throw, he throw interceptions, like I was saying earlier like that formula will work in, in, in with the jets because their defense is so good.
Speaker 3:I'm taking a guy who can give me two or three touchdowns a game, even if that comes at an expensive one or maybe two touchdowns I mean met, one or two Interceptions a game like y'all just need some scoring, y'all defense, even with the interceptions y'all gonna be at a whole guy's like. So I'm Regardless of what comes with that. Two or three touchdowns a game, if I'm a, if I'm the jets, I'm taking that. But do you?
Speaker 1:put them, you're gonna get that. You're gonna get that already with.
Speaker 3:You're not gonna get two or three touchdowns a game with Wilson bro.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying the turnover part.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean, if that comes with actual offensive production you know I'm saying cuz just think of Wilson was doing Average in two or three interceptions a game obviously is not good. But if he's averaging, you know 280 passing yards a game and at least getting you to passing touchdowns a game, he can do an interception in a fumble of game or some shit like that because the defense will be able to hold. But you know 146 passing yards, no touchdowns for back-to-back games, that's just not gonna cut it.
Speaker 4:So he was running with the bucks, like it was. They were forcing him to throw the bug. I Right, that's the way.
Speaker 3:It was 50 times again.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna put it all on him because at some point when you see, like, alright, and this is probably not a good idea, even though I guess he didn't have a 30-something else so it was like mm-hmm, I'm gonna take it and lose it at the same time. But the coach could easily Change the offense a little bit to not force him to push the ball, because I mean, he was basically being told a though it deep Every time, just though it deep, and that's where a lot of the interceptions came. So I mean that's a changeable thing and in an offense like the, that's offense. They want to push it down every now and again, but they don't not as nowhere near as much as the Bucks are trying to do that year or even the year after that, when Brady was there. So I don't think you would have as many interceptions now. Is he gonna turn it ball over? Yeah, he's gonna try to follow, but I don't think we do it at that level right.
Speaker 1:Okay, for enough. You well, so well, sweat to the Bears. So I find this weird. What's the corner? This, what's his name? Jaylin, jaylin, Josh, I can't say. I think this man is probably one of the bed. He's rated like probably like the number for three or four corner in the league. Like and they won't pay this man, he requested a trade, they won't move them. But then you bring in sweat, like for what? Like, what are y'all trying to do right now? Like I know we probably don't, we don't talk about this now. Like, what are the Bears doing, period?
Speaker 3:like what is what's?
Speaker 1:the goal.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think they got those. They gonna have those two hot first-round picks if they continue to lose and Panthers continue to lose. I think they're banking on that. What I've tried to unload, one for some kind of substantial player, yeah, but you know, I guess they don't see it that way. Um, I Think they're just banking on those two picks and hopefully they can turn them into gold. Do they keep Justin Fields? Do they draft a quarterback? What do you think? What do you think they should do? Or what do you? Yeah, yeah, what do you? What do you think should they keep?
Speaker 3:fields and just drive for quarterback or he feels and try to get some position players and show up that line if we can get feels back, I, we, that's I'm speaking from the Bears like if I'm the Bears. If we could get feels back this season, let him continue to play and develop and see where he you know if he grows, where he's at towards the end of the season. But If I got a chance to get, like a Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr One and three or one in two or whatever the picks end up, oh yeah, you go for it. It's gonna be tough, cuz I love Justin Fields. I know that he can play football, but you might have to move around a little bit, if you know, cuz this is what year three for him, if you know, but eventually he's at the pale.
Speaker 3:So even financially, yeah, yeah, that too, so I think they would have they. I think they still got two, since he was a first-round pick. I think they still have this year and then next year in the option.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you get a fifth year option on the first rounders yeah, they get a little bit of time as far as financial goals and having to pay him. But cuz, even then. After that you can franchise them, so they have plenty of time. I don't think time is so much of the the issue there, but it's just almost like, do you pass up on Caleb if you have opportunity to get them and then you can immediately pair them with another. You know franchise player, another game breaker.
Speaker 3:Well let's say that, caleb doesn't, let's say Caleb doesn't come out, then didn't kind of make this might as well that like, yeah, you know, I don't know what he'd be coming back for clearly.
Speaker 1:His stock is clearly dropped With the way he's been playing. They just not, they just snuck past.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that's their defense is trust, though. He's still killing it though, so I shoot them some bill for that. Like Caleb Williams is still producing, their defense just can't stop a cold. So like, without like really digging into the games or actually watching them, I mean one would think you know he's thinking it up, he's still, he's still killing it. It's just his defense is they can't stop anybody. So that's why the scores are 50 to 49 and, goddamn, you know, high scoring is just that the defense isn't playing very well, so I hate that. He has to take, you know, the brunt of that, but he's not like playing Necessarily garbage.
Speaker 3:The Notre Dame game was pretty trash, but outside of that, me still playing fairly well. It's just that defense is. It's pretty stinky out there right now.
Speaker 1:So All right, I quit question for you then. With that being said, do you think it's a personnel Problem with the Bears, like is it the players or is it the front office? Because the Bears organization has been having some crazy Going on? It's always something going on in the front office with us coach, defense coordinators, president, gm's. It's always something going on with that organization. So do you kind of bring in a new regime and kind of keep the talent, because I mean, it's not like ain't nothing there?
Speaker 4:I mean I actually like the talent. I expected the Bears to be better than they are. I mean it still feels like Fields is kind of running for his life a little bit now. You did get to see that him and DJ, more kind of had, was starting to develop some chemistry before you I heard so like this kind of going off, you know, with Jerry this is. I mean, maybe you don't even go get Kate Wood's, maybe what you go for, marv Harris Jr, so you get him another weapon and then you use the other pick to do something online.
Speaker 4:I Think the talent yeah, I wouldn't move out on the talent. You don't even necessarily to move off on fields. I mean you can maybe buy yourself two more years when I have an impact. You be if you decided to go. Okay, the Williams, but that's, that's like this. Apples, the oranges, you know at that point and then you're starting nowhere and you're wondering how Kate was gonna transfer into the NFL. He, he may be great, may not be great. You know there's a lot of number one picks to record the backs who end up being taken a year or two to become great.
Speaker 4:Or or Jamarga's Russell, or I mean you can continue to go with that. So I mean, with that being said, I Don't want to say it's a front office. I don't know what our issues is, but if I'm choosing between what they have now and the front office, I'm definitely gonna choose a new regime. Come in there and Give some a fresh, you know, breath, the fresh air. Yeah, because they have.
Speaker 4:And build a culture paper you had. They have talent, they. They at least tried to do some things last year to kind of make know the team better and these kids builds a something I mean Forming. I think I thought they should have been running for me from the beginning of the year, just based off the way he played last year.
Speaker 1:Everywhere he's been in the past five years, he's dim their ramp for a thousand yards, and this is not even full seasons. Go ahead.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I mean, they pay him that much so you have a ton of weapons that you can use at disposal. I do think that the online needs to be better again. I still feel like fields is kind of running for his life and a lot of situations and still getting hit a lot. So, yeah, everything else seems to at least be progressing, but you got to get some money and maybe even just get in the new regime. If somebody in there makes that line block better or, yeah, they react better to the techniques.
Speaker 1:Maybe move to a zone run scheme or something like that. I grew that. Yeah, absolutely switch it up. One time you get K streets to the Falcons and Williams to the Seahawks, I think that Williams trade, that we're gonna be good for the sea. I see how it's been stacking up on defense. They really trying to improve that defense to go along with the with their offense. That's P cura all day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he, he, he trying to stack some time, but I mean you got to when you got, when you know you got to see the Niners, you know you got to see the Eagles and come play all time, like you got to see some of these high-powered offenses in the NFC, so you got to get ready.
Speaker 1:Now's the time, wise, discounted. All right, let's jump into our second favorite part of the show. Talk your shit. I mean, I Don't know, man, niners lose two on the road. For the first time since when, three in a row. See, I'm not even used to saying that, I can't remember. Last time we even said that with the niners. So, first time losing three in a row, probably in Years, what do you? I mean? What do you see? Let's start with you. I mean, of course the bingos are the bingos to Jared, but what do you, what do you see with your Niners? Like you never really have anything.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:I'd rather get Ike's take, because he usually go a little more in depth.
Speaker 4:To anybody who texts me, last week was obviously from Ohio. I Don't care. With the exception of that bangles game, we should have won the other two well in position on the other two. My biggest issue and I think that that's obviously why we traded for Chase is we just weren't getting any pressure. There was no pressure like the Kirk Cousins was back here chilling like yes, I don't like, and then?
Speaker 4:Weirdest thing is, when we do get pressure, we don't get the quarterback down for whatever reason. I've seen more quarterback escapes in the last three weeks and I think I've ever seen him.
Speaker 3:Hey, that first drive against y'all, joe Burrow getting out of that third and ten, that was crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like what.
Speaker 4:A couple of times, bro, like it's, people have been getting away From our pressure and people keep trying to put it on like, oh well, y'all just pay. Both saw this money and I'm like, well, bro, boss is getting to the quarterback, the ball is gone. But I mean, gets there, that's the boss up.
Speaker 1:Boss of the boss is leading the heat. No, he's second in the league. It's on the quarterback, so he's getting to the quarterback Getting there.
Speaker 4:It's just what he's getting double and then like nobody else helping. That's why I am absolutely for getting Chase, because you can get somebody else in there who is then gonna get pressured, and the and I started looking into some stuff like Robert Salah and DeMarco both scheme in a way that at least got both of one-on-ones every now and again and and We've been running the same defense For three years it's been a successful defense. And then you bring books in from the outside. I'm not gonna blame books, because you know the players have got to play, but he brought his own philosophy in.
Speaker 2:I'm like.
Speaker 4:Well, if we've been doing this for three years and it's been working for three years and the reason I'm not gonna blame him, it's because in the first five games defense look for the phenomenal so obviously something was working, but when things weren't working anymore, we weren't making any changes. The other thing I can say that I'm gonna put on the coaches is We've been terrible at getting penalties and the last three games, horrible again.
Speaker 1:Penalties at the wrong time at the wrong time.
Speaker 4:That's not about to say yeah, definitely at the wrong time, yeah the only one that we got called I could think of that was completely other BS was the hit and the Cleveland game. That would have ended that game. But every, every other one and I saw like they throw a flag and it got to the point. I was like, yeah, yeah, that was an actual passing. The fans like, yeah, no, y'all out there really messing up. Yeah, you know to defend the corners. Like bro, they can't get to nobody. Hey, bro, I'm running around chasing this dude for four or five seconds.
Speaker 1:That's a long time in NFL.
Speaker 4:So, man, either he gonna get away or I gotta grab it like we have to do this. So and then no, to go to the other side. I Still I don't want to say the people's figure it out. I think the people figured out that party is a timing human.
Speaker 1:Like he's not a. He's not a gunslinger, he's not gonna improvise like these. It's a lot of timing routes and he expect, he anticipates. I say that he anticipates being where they supposed to go.
Speaker 4:Yes, and you know, sometimes he was like look, I expect me to be there, I'm gonna throw the ball. Sometimes that's gonna get you. And I said this in the beginning of the season. We were like yo, he's, he's these, thought a couple balls that should have been intercepted, that we got lucky on, and now people are actually just he's still, I think is played well, but he's got to make the change and know that you're alright. You know, maybe this time in a tear, I think he fixates on Either kiddo or IU, for whatever reason, he won't really throw the bullfrog in the same game. He's throwing the one-off and at that point everybody's like well, very, very cloudy, even on the field, joanne Jennings, not even on the field. So now I've only got really two people to worry about.
Speaker 4:Sorry, because it's only throwing the one-off, it just I think it made us a lot easier to defend. And then, no, we would move the ball and, for whatever reason, at the wrong time, we would either have a holding penalty or teams will move the ball against us and, for whatever reason we decide, we want to have a pass interference on a crucial third down. Am I worried, though? No, absolutely not. I mean, you got by this. People, chill We'll. We'll get no D-Bot, we'll get Trent Williams back, and you know, things will be. You know Hucky Dore.
Speaker 4:We've got a really tough schedule coming up, though, so we've got to have those guys, because these next couple of games that we got ain't gonna be no cakewalk. So I mean, that's one of the things I liked about our schedule. I didn't expect us to be undefeated. Do I think that we can win Every week? Absolutely, I think that we can beat any team in the league with the talent that we have, but I'm not gonna say I we were gonna go undefeated, and you know, coming into this part of the schedule, this is our toughest part of schedule, but I think that's what's gonna prepare us for playoffs. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fair enough. Hey, great assessment. Anything you want to add to to this, jarrett, far as your bingles, hey, they, they're not the best team in the league, so I think they should have made some changes.
Speaker 3:That's all I'm saying. I'm you be thinking I be going slow, but I'm not. No bro, I'm just used to it clear the way. I think, if you're not the clear favorite, make changes, make additions, upgrade. And we're not, we're not the clear play.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't even say we're top five clear favorites, but like honestly and like this year, bro, it's really feeling like anybody could be anybody like on any given week, like who's really been like Dominate, dominant dominant Right, because I mean even the Chiefs look like trash and exactly, and they just lost to the.
Speaker 3:Broncos.
Speaker 1:They call them my home's a flu game, but Nonetheless.
Speaker 3:Another thing that that makes the bingles different from other guys, like the 49ers. We're one injury away from being absolutely terrible, like we're not really deep. You know. I'm saying so like when we lost to Kansas City AFC championship last year With Tyler boy. I'm not, I can't remember. I know Tyler boy got hurt but I think him and Higgins were kind of, you know, kind of If anybody goes out, we're done, like we. We have to have three wide. If we go down and just even chasing Higgins, the bingles are done because you can bracket outside. There's nobody that can do anything across the middle. So it's just like we're me knowing that we're one injury away from being terrible, not even one injury away from our. We can still kind of compete. No, we're one injury away from being absolutely terrible. We have no death. I'm just not sold on our linebackers. Like our DB's are young, they're holding it down.
Speaker 3:I actually have a conversation with other bingles fans, like you know oh man, you guys, you know we we needed baits and we needed Brother defense is the same Like we didn't lose any. We literally lost to me. And see, that's another thing I was talking to you about last year, verna. You were saying how they were just so great, we lost them both Didn't lose a step.
Speaker 1:I didn't say I didn't say they were great, I just said they were better than they were you were putting out. I believe they were.
Speaker 3:They clearly aren't, because we we we replaced them with Nick Scott and Dax Hill, who was only special teams last year, and we haven't lost anything. Dax Hill played only special teams last year and he's a starting safety, and we brought in Nick Scott. That hardly nobody even knows about and our defense is exactly the same. Actually, did the math, I think through seven games last year, we gave up a hundred and 34, 34 points. I think through seven games this year we've given up a hundred and 42 points. That's like an eight point difference total, not even eight points a game, but eight points total. So it's a little over one point a game extra that we're giving up. Now it's same exact record four and three. We didn't lose anybody else. Guys were bums and I think this is actually what's proven that to be true.
Speaker 1:But could it be scheme?
Speaker 3:We do have. From what? From what? From what? From what I'm seeing and what I hear, I hear that the scheme is there. I don't like the fact that we only play two linebackers. I think that kind of hurts us in the run game, especially when we play teams like, you know, your Eagles, or, if we played, you know, when we play Baltimore. That kind of hurts us. Having only two linebackers out there that aren't really great at tackling. Logan Wilson always finds himself in the right spot at the right time. He has the most interceptions thrown directly to him. Pertie gave him one Sunday. He didn't even have to really move. It's like the ball just finds him. But I'll give him credit for it, though Maybe he's finding the ball, I don't know, but some kind of scheme is working. But all in all, I just figured we wasn't losing much. We're losing those two guys. That's why I didn't even think twice about it when they signed elsewhere. And it is what it is. They're gone. We literally have the identical defense that we had with him there.
Speaker 1:So OK, fair enough, I guess I'll talk about my coach losing to the Saints. Same old, same old, yasko respect. Yes, absolutely. We've the only team in the league who scored 20 points. At least 20 points every game, that's fine.
Speaker 1:But we just it's the giveaways, it's, it's Gardner Menchu, like being Gardner Menchu, like trying to do too much and then like they completely went away from the running game in second half. Like Jelton Taylor didn't touch the ball. He ran for like 94 yards in the first half and then you don't give him the ball at all in the second half. He don't touch it now once, Like I don't know, Like we are a run first team, we were built that way and I just I don't know why we continue to try to put the game in Gardner Menchu's hands, Like we don't need him to win the game for us, we just need him to keep us in position to win the game. And hopefully at some point they figure that out, because the past Two losses at least, it's just been Bad turnovers, Couple, bad calls. But we wouldn't even have been in that position if it wasn't for the turnovers. You know what I mean. Just Gardner Menchu, Forza and Gardner Menchu holding on to the ball too long. Like you know, all the little render in the first half he plays great. The second half he just forgets to how to beat a quarterback and we completely just go against one. Oh man, we had a good first half, Cool, let's just. Let's just grind Menchu out instead of.
Speaker 1:You got two Very, very good running backs. Just run the ball First and second down. I don't care if you know what I'm doing. I would be creative in my ring game I was Jonathan Taylor Moss run on first down, Jonathan Taylor run on second down and then whatever on third down, we'll figure it out, but it's going to be third and short. Chances are. You know. I just see with them two chances are it's going to be third and short. Between them two you can get eight yards, seven yards. You know what I mean. So I just and I'm third and short, you can let Menchu though as low short passes you can scheme that up. I just feel like we'd be doing too much and, yeah, a lot of our losses come from doing too much because we end up turning the ball over. So this was another one, Like it just happened the same way, minus all the extra costs. But yeah, that's all I got to say about that shit. I'm just, I'm done, Like, at this point, I'm just like, all right, like it looks promising.
Speaker 3:I still think you guys are achieving above expectation Absolutely, especially with homeboy getting hurt and being out for the season, like yes, you know.
Speaker 1:Yes, but when you see there's like potential, more potential, there you're like, because everybody was saying Menchu, like last year, I was like oh, y'all can start Menchu, we can play Menchu and I'm like Menchu was not bad. He's the best backup in the league in my eyes, but you also not using what you got to win games.
Speaker 1:Like it's like you get scared to run the ball and you just can't do that, especially after you're on page of running back 20 million dollars. Like give them the ball. Nonetheless, ravens beat the Cardinals. We kind of knew that was going to happen. Too bad, justin ain't here to comment on them. A lot of it is the Ravens best team in AFC right now. Hmm. Hmm I think they're playing the best? I mean we talked about Miami.
Speaker 1:I mean we already said Miami just been beating up on soft teams, like who else is up there? I mean, I mean at five and two, I mean.
Speaker 3:I guess I mean you look at Jacksonville. The Chiefs are six and two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, six and two now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, but that that was a bad loss out there in Denver. That was exactly.
Speaker 1:So after that then you look at, I mean, like I said, Miami ain't playing nobody, Kansas City just lost to Denver and like you got, I say between them and Jacksonville like Really two of the best teams in there playing the best ball in AFC. I won't say the best teams, they're playing the best right now.
Speaker 3:I feel like. I feel like the Bills are OK too. They're they're kind of inconsistent. They're, they're, they're up in there I don't think that there's a trash, though I mean I think any given point they could like turn it on and really do damage if they wanted to.
Speaker 1:But I think the Bills. I have a problem with England and the Jets because they play up, they play to the level of their competition.
Speaker 3:There's no reason they shouldn't be having the one like what do we got? I mean just crazy.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, they play to the level of competition. I like I said I was really thinking, I'm looking around AFC.
Speaker 4:I'm like you can make a legit argument, I can make it argument for that. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1:I'm really looking like as far as I'm looking at games and go chiefs just because of what you know prior.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's how I know that they're going to. They're going to. They're going to be there at the end. I know for a fact the chiefs are going to be there at the end, Like I don't think that's really, but I'm just thinking like right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah like I think they're playing the best on both sides of the ball, like Lamar Jackson has been balling. Like that offense is finally coming along to play with that defense.
Speaker 4:Like they've been giving us efforts to ball for a while. That's what I was thinking, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was running that man. Last week it was.
Speaker 4:Even in five yards of carry, and you've been giving them 10 carries. All of a sudden they like hey man, we should probably run this guy a little more and it's going to open up so many more things. And look at what it's done for, Because Gus has been balling.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, hey look, I'm with you. I'm with you, man. All right, man, just jumping to these. Oh, you got something else.
Speaker 4:I do, man, go ahead. I said this week too, I want to revisit this. Do they just say something? It's an EB, hey EB, I don't know. Sam had all this stuff for like 370, bro, somehow we completely disrespect the same how we did. The man in his office has not. I mean, they ain't been great, but they've been worlds better than last year. That's very true. I don't know, man, I feel like he's a little bit missed. That's what I thought it out there again, but we'll revisit a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Yeah, it's easy to say that after what, the what the Chiefs just did. So, yes, I mean as of, what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 4:They look like they're missing them after nine points, after Sam Howell threw for 300 and some change against the Eagles.
Speaker 1:I just think it just has to be some consistency too. Like Well, we will see. Like you said, we're in a couple of weeks. We'll see what these offenses are and if somehow continues on this run, we may have to dig in a little deeper into. Maybe it was a little more involved and had a little more imprint on this offense than most people was saying publicly I ain't even gonna say privately, it was publicly. Everybody was saying that he just wasn't that guy. That guy.
Speaker 3:Y'all think he's going to get a look for the Raiders job. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I agree, I think he should. But I don't think that's the Raiders kilo. I just don't see that the Raiders is just. I don't know who you think.
Speaker 3:Who you think they're going to bring in. I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know. That would be the best. That's what I'm saying. The point now you're going to lose your stars. Everybody wants out Like. I don't necessarily know why.
Speaker 3:I think they're like I mean they're three and five Like in. Another thing that kind of irritates me is that by no means am I a coach first guy, but I mean it's like you fired McDaniels but like he didn't miss those two wide open touchdowns of the point. That wasn't him, so it always changed. I'll hide. A near three and five is not like they're fucking. One and seven Like. Yeah, you know, I had a brother in Jimmy G because you knew that was going to happen. Maybe that's what he's getting.
Speaker 4:But yeah, maybe that's what he's getting like recommended, because I mean the GM got, let go too.
Speaker 3:So maybe it is a. You guys gave up on car, you guys decided to get Jimmy. G fucking sucks. And you did this. You did this. This is your product. See, that's why I have a lot of people who are like I'm not going to get it this is your product. That's why I asked you all the question, because that helped me push it into perspective. I'm going to answer my own question with just running it by you guys. So yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Like. You can clearly see that the Raiders are hitting the reset button because they was like. Hey, like when you get rid of a GM and a coach at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's basically saying everything y'all decided on was trash. I'm not happy with this product. Yeah, we're moving off from everything. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:And when you bring in a new GM, like they're going to, You're basically saying hey look, we're about to rebuild. You're letting your team know in the fan base note that you're about to rebuild because you're going to bring in a GM which is going to bring in, you know, the coach they want, which then is going to change the whole team anyway. And you got Jacobs on a one year. You got Devontae on a huge contract, who don't really want to be there. You don't have to try to pull a QB from somewhere. But your record, you may be in the running for you know, one of those guys. Like I said, they say it's a quarterback draft this year. So you may be in the running for one of those guys. You may get you on. Yeah, so All right, we're gonna jump into pick-ums and then we wrap this up. Man, oh yeah, man, everybody did great last week. Um, Everybody had like ten plus Right picks nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, as you can see, the numbers are a lot closer. I can't find paper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here it is yeah everybody had plus ten.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, you and I think you and Ike tied with 12, correct, yeah, nah, man, we it's still knows. Even Justin, he, I think he had 11. I think I had the lowest with 10. So, yeah, man, we Last week was tough. It's just I think the the games that threw us off that I seen the biggest differential in was, of course, the Niners game, because we all picked the nice, except for me. I'm not only want to pick the Bengals, but that I don't know who else picked up.
Speaker 4:Justin picked the Bengals.
Speaker 1:He might. He might have picked the Bengals. Uh yeah, so that. And then the chiefs, of course, threw us off. Um Me, my biggest mistake was the, the Titans and Jaguars. Of course I'm not picking them. Uh yeah, who do?
Speaker 3:you pick? Who do you pick when two of your division opponents play each other? Whoever? Whoever has the worst record?
Speaker 1:That's why I picked the win.
Speaker 4:That's your man's bro.
Speaker 1:You asked and I'm not only wanting to pick the Panthers to beat the Texans, so I think that was my one up. So, yeah, everybody else picked, but everybody else picked the Saints to beat the coast. I was only one picked the coast, so that was my switch. But yeah, no, it was pretty solid weekend picking. Um, that's, let's do week nine, man and get out of here.
Speaker 4:Let me get ready.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm ready, I'm about to get ready to Uh, we'll get Justin's at, though here isn't here. Uh, I almost forgot that I could through his nose. I'm like, oh man, he ain't put it out of. Remember. Then, like at the end of last week, you threw it in the chat for this week too.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I just go back. I don't know why the Celtics are trying to embarrass the Pacers like this. Though. What's the cat? This is 102 to 69 and like their starters are just still in, going crazy, like they're still going nuts, all five starters are in the game right now. I'm going crazy. That's a while.
Speaker 1:Uh, tighten Steelers there uh Thursday night.
Speaker 3:Um man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go tight on this. Of course we'll let us. We'll let us look decent man, Like I know that.
Speaker 1:He threw four touchdowns in one game. That's more than they.
Speaker 2:They've had all year yeah.
Speaker 1:Um Dolphins chiefs, that's gonna be a good one. That's a oh that's overseas, that's 9 am for everybody who's gonna be watching on uh.
Speaker 2:NFL Network.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the england game.
Speaker 2:So make sure you get a brally to watch that game.
Speaker 1:You don't want to miss that one. Uh, I say, dolphins, you got ramsey back.
Speaker 3:Uh, we couldn't keep this game in the fucking united states. Like Say, I wouldn't say that should have been the sunday night, but I mean bingles and bills is cool.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man, there's a, there's a girl gonna be there. She's going to London because I made oh, yeah, she's probably definitely over there.
Speaker 2:She's probably out there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna go yeah, yeah, Young t yeah. I'm not confident in that, I'm not confident. I'm not confident, me neither.
Speaker 1:I'm like dolphins, they just just come off. They can Off of by. Yeah, I'm gonna pick the chiefs, let's just I don't see them losing two in a row. Uh, vikings, falcons, they both four and four. Yeah, I don't, I don't know enough to care. I'm.
Speaker 3:I think. I think he might come in and uh, yeah, yeah, the vikings. Yeah, they kind of beat up. I feel like their quarterback is the best between the two, so I'm gonna just go, i'ma go, i'ma go. When he came, in last week.
Speaker 1:He did not, he did not. Uh, here's another tough one ravens and seahawks.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I'ma go ravens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I did just say they probably the best in the afc so far. Uh, cardinals, browns, shitter man. Well, the browns are four and three.
Speaker 2:The browns actually been playing really good and they was all, I guess that defense yeah, I gotta pick the browns.
Speaker 1:That defense has been ridiculous.
Speaker 3:No, they've been cat lately though.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean just the cardinals, though them.
Speaker 3:Niggas have been getting.
Speaker 1:Well, this will be collard murray's first game. Back to slow. Oh, he's coming back. I think he's gonna play. I mean with them getting ready dives. I mean, do you not play him? This week he's been practicing, full practices. Past two weeks Um um, that's true, I agree. I agree with that, jerry.
Speaker 3:It was the cardinals and the browns. I guess I'ma go to browns, but that I won't be watching that game for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, rams packers.
Speaker 3:I won't be watching that shit either. I'ma go around. That's just crazy.
Speaker 4:It's a great way has been extra ass.
Speaker 3:Thanks, you know what you are 75% of the league has been extra ass. Like true too. Yeah, because we got.
Speaker 2:We get two good games.
Speaker 3:Sunday who y'all play sunday? Uh, I.
Speaker 1:We have buttersweet, yes, uh, bucking ears, bucking ears, texans.
Speaker 3:That's trash too.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm picking bucking ears.
Speaker 3:I'ma go bucks too commanders Patriots that's trash too.
Speaker 1:Hey, mcdaniels might be back on the sideline as the OC. Yeah, I'm picking commanders too.
Speaker 3:I'ma go. I'ma go new england, no particular reason.
Speaker 4:No, I'ma go back to the 40 points this week. That's what pissed me off. They went like zero two weeks in a row. And then who?
Speaker 3:Who's that?
Speaker 4:Couldn't score for three weeks in a row and then do it like 30.
Speaker 1:Bear sanks trash. Yeah, thanks, thanks for four.
Speaker 3:I'ma go sanks.
Speaker 1:I'll go in, though you know what, i'ma go shy. Yeah, man, go with your wife sometime I am Colts and.
Speaker 4:Panthers.
Speaker 3:I'll do respect Vernon, another trash Look.
Speaker 2:I'm with it we.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go coats, but Colts and Panthers.
Speaker 3:Man, something about y'all on the road just be throwing me off too like. Y'all be like y'all be lit at the crib but on the road. This is like I'll be, like I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1:We in Carolina, though.
Speaker 3:It's like it's just, it's like a whole new team, right, right, it's like I don't want to be here. I don't know why I'm here, like I don't want nothing to do with none of this shit.
Speaker 1:All right, well, I'll just keep making you mad, jared giants raiders.
Speaker 3:What is fucking crazy, absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:Giants. I want to know. Giants are raiders. I'ma pick the raiders because you see, after, after a coach get fired, that next game the whole team played.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Giants got a chill man. Did y'all see that that? Uh, over time, that was disgusting. I didn't see that. I was trying.
Speaker 4:I was trying to figure out.
Speaker 3:Yes they should have. But then if. But then you, it goes over time. You take the ball and then you refuse to let the guy throw down the field. They ran three straight screens and got no yards. And had you might as well, it just took defense. Maybe you could have got a turnover or three and out good field position, but you know whatever. But you take the ball and then you don't even let them throw it Down the field. That man, bro, he needs to be fired. I don't think they threw a pass after the second quarter, bro. They had like negative nine yards passing. We all had more passing yards than them.
Speaker 1:All right, let's get into some good games. Cowboys Eagles.
Speaker 3:Eagles.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go Cowboys, I don't know what. Oh, it's that Philly. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Cowboys, uh, bills bingles.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna go bingles on that man.
Speaker 1:I am too.
Speaker 3:I'm not even saying that I don't think. A better team top to bottom, but they just be playing goofy man, they, they be, and it's it's since he too like. Yeah, like they, they just be, they be chirping. I feel like if, if I was going street, do I think bills have a better roster?
Speaker 3:I think they have a better team in us, but they just they don't be, and if for some reason, after the buy we just be going off like I don't know what that is, but we'll start slow and then we'll just start just floating like I don't think they stand a chance, but like I stopped in before.
Speaker 4:That game last year was on the way to be in the go out before the yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we was. Yeah, we was about to get that was a smack. Yeah, yeah, we was definitely like that vibe was crazy.
Speaker 1:All right, let me just make it mad again. Then Monday night Chargers, jets.
Speaker 3:All the charges is gonna be the shit out of them for sure. I think the charges you still on this train. Bruh charges is waking up. I think they're waking up, bruh. They've had like two or three consecutive decent games like and more. Like I said, the jets just won't give you nothing offensively, bro. That's their problem. They're not gonna give you anything offensively. So Three touchdowns but 21 points is gonna blow the jets out like.
Speaker 1:Okay then, but the charges against good defenses, what always happens.
Speaker 3:Hey bro.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna pick the jets because they may not be able to get the returns downs.
Speaker 3:Man, I'm nothing. Well, we should. The jets might not be able to get one.
Speaker 1:Hey, it may be a field goal contest, so I still take the jet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the jets can't get one touchdown like and.
Speaker 1:In the jets are at home, like the charges don't travel. Well, yeah, none of that, I'm cool, I'll take jets. Like I said, I'm off that. I'm off that charger train. I was on it last year. I was, I was, I was there for Herbert.
Speaker 3:It really. For me, it's not even about being on believing in the charges, it's just the jets, bro. Have they scored 50 points all season?
Speaker 1:They have a winning record. Wait a minute, they have a winning record. Right now they're four and three.
Speaker 3:the charges are three and four, so I'm not team on the giants, bro, I mean the jets.
Speaker 1:Hey, whatever they doing, they're above 500.
Speaker 3:I feel like a healthy to ride Taylor would have took took the jets out. I think if he, if he to play for the giants, they would be the jets. Just can't give you anything offensively, that's gonna kill them cool.
Speaker 1:Uh, apparently their defense is good enough to have them at four and three. So with all that talent the charges got, they still have a losing record. So I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4:Hey, if the jets made the playoffs is solid, go to the ure.
Speaker 3:Jets aren't making a playoff. Fuck yeah, they're not making a playoffs.
Speaker 1:Look, man Rogers might be back in two weeks you see this man is practically running right now.
Speaker 3:That's heli cat, Then he is not coming back this year bro.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, I'm just saying I just want, I just want to say it. So when it happens, nobody can. I'm not gonna be the one saying I didn't see it coming, but this man's already throwing the ball. He's walking without crutches, like I ain't never seen no shit like this before. Not awful a tour in the keely's, like no. So we'll see. Uh, and like I said, I'm sure Justin to throw his in the chat later. Man, any final thoughts? Man? Oh Shit, anything, anything.
Speaker 3:No man, we talk, we, we, we can I.
Speaker 4:Got a little something here, man. All right, go ahead, man.
Speaker 1:Oh shit this has been messing with me for a couple weeks. Oh man.
Speaker 4:I need people to stop getting their sports facts from memes, bro. It's absolutely destroying Discussing sports with people. I've left like three sports groups over the last week and a half because, like people like you, could tell whoever made the initial meme is like either being sarcastic or how to see their incredibly whatever it is, and people are taking this as fact and is pissing me off. Do they be wrong, though?
Speaker 1:That's, that's how I'm about to say have you proven these, like, these, like?
Speaker 4:what they're posting gets wrong, are you?
Speaker 1:just don't like the mean.
Speaker 4:For example. I see me not Post that's of jordan getting choked, and that was okay, yeah that's not. That's not fact, it's photoshop and people like legit think that's real. There are some that are, if you take it for what it is, factual without any context, like yeah, there's facts and then there's context. Like those two things Are sometimes separated for whatever reason, like I could post something with just numbers and it can be facts, but it can, it doesn't tell the story, don't tell the whole story right.
Speaker 3:I mean, but how do you, how does? How does facts not tell a story?
Speaker 4:Because one numbers are manipulative, so not really. You can.
Speaker 1:You could bend the truth with numbers easily, because you, always you always gotta have somebody who didn't do something, or maybe the timing, or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:One of my favorite phrases is point when I'm when I post something and somebody is giving me grief, my favorite phrase is point out the lie, like point out the lie, keep it moving. Like because I being a LeBron fan, there's a lot of stats that he has that people just that just anger people just because they just hate the fact that he has Said stats. But it's just like I mean, if you can't point out a lie and what I posted, keep it moving, like I mean. So I get what you're saying, like some of the stuff that ain't true, but I mean, if it's factual, you got a gotta got to deal with it.
Speaker 4:And I'm not even going ever for this. And the reason I said that post was fucking ridiculous because it doesn't tell any story. If you take that post with it is you can conclude from that post that Pippin made Jordan, which is why somebody made that fucking post, and that is not the case.
Speaker 3:Now everybody cares about Jordan winning championships. That's all Six seasons. He's six for six. He's never lost. He's never lost.
Speaker 4:Post, not say right, that doesn't say that Pippin. Much better teams than Jordan, and that's the part that people don't when you post that post. That's the part that people don't talk.
Speaker 3:I didn't. I didn't so much more credit. But they don't take in the context, they don't take in the circumstances, like they. He won every single finals. He never lost a playoff series. That's how people react. So when they see real facts, like people, people draw exception to it. But fat is, he didn't win shit until Pippin got there and that's all people care about. Is those rings, like I've heard people say it. It, you know, it don't mean a thing if you don't get the ring, like that's all we've heard all these years. And he did not get a ring until Pippin got there.
Speaker 4:That's great. And, yes, that is factual, the real know. It is also factual that Pippin had much better teams. And just to throw something on the other end because I've seen this, you know, I've left groups for both sides again, even though I'm a Jordan first guy, I got a brand too. So I like both. It's not a problem, we're like it both, that's another thing.
Speaker 4:But if I've seen another group, some people post well, the bronze, four and six. Well, okay, look at who the brown play in the finals. Right, that's not taken into context. Is it factual that he's four, six of the finals? Yes, it's factual, is four, six of the finals. But is it telling? Is it telling the entire story? No, so again, stop getting all your facts from memes. It's pissing me off.
Speaker 3:I like that. Yeah, yeah, I like that. That was really good. That was really good. What, what? That was really good. Like that needed a drumroll. That was really good. I love when I might my my insight can be check. Yeah, pop it up. That was really good. I agree, I'm supposed to.
Speaker 1:Know why you post it sometimes I, sometimes I agree, like I do agree. I mean, like said, I agree with the facts of the meme, but again, like you said, there's a lot of context does not Taking into account All the way around. And I'm not, and I'm not a Jordan guy. I am not a Jordan guy. I've done, I've never been a fan of Jordan's. I don't wear his shoes. I'll buy shoes. I don't support Jordan in no way. I am a hater when it comes to Jordan. I'm gonna say that in the camera.
Speaker 3:No, I think I think I like this understood as hate. I just I hate when people use your into disrespect my guy cuz see. My thing is this I don't I had I got buddies, I got friends that think Jordan's number one in the browser. I'll have a problem with that, like that's totally fine. But where I draw exception is when people disrespect LeBron, for example.
Speaker 3:For example, if you listen to Stephen A Smith, he always says I got your number one, I got LeBron number two, but then he has this this list this long of why LeBron is not number one. So it's just like how is it that much difference between number one and number two? So what does that say about the distance number three, magic Mike and Shaq Mike, and you know, will you know? I'm saying it's like you got. He has this whole list of this whole hour long soliloquy of why LeBron is a number one but you got him number two.
Speaker 3:So what is that saying about who you have number five? What does that say about who you have number ten? That's the point. That's that's where I get okay. So he's, he's really hating because you got all these negative things to say about LeBron. There is no way that you can have that much negativity in between number one and number two and my thing is, I'm not mad if somebody takes Jordan number one. I'm not mad if you take it with that. Just as long as my guy gets shown some respect, we can have a conversation. I don't disrespect Jordan. I've never said he's trash.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 3:I look at someone clearly not trash, like that's crazy. To say that Jordan's trash is fucking crazy. I Literally get that LeBron is trash. I get it every single day.
Speaker 4:That's where I kind of I've been in groups that have had both sides and, like this, the memes that I've seen are Completely another little dick is, which is why I put record. Anybody want to have a bill to baby me. I'm not doing it. Everything that's been said has already been said.
Speaker 3:I like debating like it's just something, that yeah, it's like I feel like I'm Exercising my mind when I debate. That's the only reason I'll still do it. But once it gets like disrespectful or you know, lebron sexual and all this other weird ass shit gets getting that, I'm out after that.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I've seen.
Speaker 3:As long as the respect. There I can go however long you know I'm saying but that's the point of doing the debate.
Speaker 1:The debate is to show respect.
Speaker 3:Right to get your point across you know what I mean and try to Start losing is when they start getting disrespectful. Yeah, it goes if you're losing, then why?
Speaker 1:are we debating if you, apparently, you can't support your, your?
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you get mad and then you start saying personal shit and how you, how you go from talking about Jordan LeBron to now you're calling me gay, like, like brothers. That's just, that's weird. That's some weird shit. But yeah, that's all that.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:Hey, I respect it I.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay. Yeah, you definitely made a good point, man. That's probably one of the best points best takes best points I've heard from you. That was, that was powerful, like that, that was good. I can tell you have been thinking about that one for a while. That was, that was fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 1:Man, we've been. We've been going for an hour and 27 minutes, so this has been the.